Jan 6 Committee to say Donald Trump Committed The Crime Of Insurrection
How many people ever thought they would live to see the day when a US president would be accused of seeking to overthrow the US government ?
It sounds like the plot of a political thriller novel. Although the reality facing the nation does not contain much of a thriller aspect which would likely include murders, assassinations and other assorted gunplay, the truth is probably more bizarre than any novel or movie could dream up. A tv game show host/ con man grifter/ and malignant narcissist seized power in 2016 on the coat tails of white grievance "patriots" who then proceeded to ignore and then validate every strange, egotistical, and in some cases evil, move he made. He held rallies that drew crowds in the tens of thousands, many of the attendees fawning over him like he was the second coming.
But 2023 will bring a new reality. The Jan 6 committee of the House of Representatives will later today list formal allegations of insurrection committed by Trump in a doomed effort to stay in office for a second, unelected, term. A US president formally accused of trying to destroy our government? Never you say.
Never say never when MAGA is involved.
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(Bloomberg) -- The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack will complete its 17-month probe with votes Monday on recommendations for the first-ever criminal prosecution of a former president, with offenses including insurrection, according to people familiar with plans.
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We are nearing the end of the beginning.
The day we thought would never come, crimes against the American people committed by Trump leading to criminal indictments , may be in the almost foreseeable future.
I certainly hope so, will believe when I see it. Too many politicians, in all parties, are never held accountable. Lots of talk of accountability, no action.
We'll see how far this goes.
From the article:
"The extent of the criminal referrals, and who will be targeted, will be made clear on Monday as the committee is expected to release a separate, shorter report on the matter. Any referrals would be a largely symbolic move, though , as it's ultimately up to federal prosecutors whether to pursue charges."
The main allegations against Trump have been public news for months, at least.
None of them have been refuted by any of the "conservatives" on Newstalkers. All we hear is that the committee is biased. Facts are facts.
Who here wants to be Trumps defense lawyer and have to show why he is innocent? None of you do because it is a fool's errand.
This explains a lot, A defense lawyer doesn't have to show he is innocent, the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty to jury that doesn't suffer from TDS, and he has to prove that to all the jurors.
Why do I have the feeling you have no idea what the charges are?
What charges did the committee level? I can answer that however, none. They make allegations and refer to the DOJ but it's the DOJ that brings charges. You know that, so I would caution that you not conflate things. There are a lot of allegations made during the hearings and while I will admit that what Trump did was a lot of wrong, I am not sure if it was criminally illegal. We will find out in the end but I suspect there will not be charges from the DOJ in this. I still believe they stand a stronger case for obstruction with the classified documents and even that's out of the normal. So we wait and see.
shed a tear -
Trump's constant companion at mara-lago
32 year old Natalie Harp
it's 50-50 whether she is a nutcase far right MAGA true believer , or a gold digger.
Jealousy is such an ugly trait.
I wonder what Melania thinks.
Miss Harp may want her place in the will.
Probably the same thing Ivana thought when Marla came along, and what Marla thought when Melania came along. Is it really that puzzling to you?
The Pelosi partisan TDS shit show finally coming to a close? It is well past time; the conclusion was never in any doubt. Their goal from the beginning was to get Trump- they weren't shy about saying it.
It will be wonderful to see those committee members that are actually returning to the House being stripped of all committee assignments by whomever the Republicans pick as the new Speaker. Hopefully McCarthy (or whomever) will have the balls to strip Pelosi as well. Payback for her last 4 years of partisan rule of the House; and breaking all of the Speaker standards.
As for Trump. Democrats had better hope Garland doesn't screw the pooch by bringing charges too damn early. Democrats have no hope of retaining the Presidency with Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine running again; unless Trump is the Republican nominee.
Recession is still coming; and Brandon and the Democrats have no damn answers except to spend more damn money and threaten to increase taxes.
Refute any of the allegations against Trump.
Take your pick. Enough with this so called "partisan" bullshit. Tell us exactly why you think Trump is innocent.
“Please refute ANY of the allegations against Trump.”
The only refutation will be the lack of a conviction. Examples to surely follow.
These are unprecedented times where prosecutors and courts are unsure how to proceed against an ex-president even though the mountain of evidence is incontrovertible.
The prosecution needs to proceed, lest a smarter and even more sinister office holder seizes the opportunity to further exploit the system.
No man or woman is above the law, and the ‘law and order’ party should be the first in line to call out and condemn such obvious malfeasance.
I'll do you one better, lets see the PDF PROVING the allegations against trump. Forget about you blogger reports. Link the signed PDF copies of "all this proof". All the text messages and "smoking guns" you all have been blathering on and on about for the last few years. Lets see them.
The allegations against Trump have been in public since the committee started televising the hearings. If you can refute any of the allegations, lets hear the defense. Otherwise be quiet.
So you'll have no problem linking those files.
In America, you don't have to prove you are innocent, Why hasn't the incompetent POS Garland filled Charges John, If it is evident to you, obviously Garland has seen it......Right?
He's innocent until proven guilty. Allegations aren't enough.
Garland has seen it all and has failed to press charges.
So how fucking said it the DOJ under Garland? Does anyone think these mentally handicapped fools on the committee have found anything he didn’t already have? The one absolute positive thing that has come out of this is the political suicide of Liz Cheney as a republican. Bye Felicia!
One major result of the committee was facts/documentation/interviews were made public, something DOJ hadn't/can't do.
You realize the DOJ doesn't release information for a reason, So basically all the committee did was interfere with an ongoing investigation for political purposes.
News reports that John Eastman will also be criminally referred for insurrection.
So is this political? or does it illustrate another failure by Garland to do his job? Biden needs to seriously consider firing this incompetent piece of crap.
I love how this is presented as actual news that has recently just come to light, rather than a known and foregone conclusion that could literally have been published the moment the creation of the committee was announced. It wouldn't have made any difference had the subject been whether Trump was responsible for the death of Archduke Ferdinand or the extinction of the dinosaurs, we all could have written a news story about what the committee would conclude about it before they even had their first meeting.
And, no, JR, I'm not going to bother refuting anything because there's nothing there to refute except narrative. Who's going to waste time trying to argue with what someone wants to be true? You don't seem to understand this.
Donald Trump approved an illegal plan to tamper with the certification of the electoral vote in Congress. That is a crime whether you like it or not.
Okay John, this is 100% true, WTF is wrong with Merrick Garland? It's absolutely amazing how you keep avoiding this simple fact. If trump committed a crime. Where is the Attorney General? Seriously? It's been 2 fucking years!
I have asked every MAGA on this seed, and many others to refute the allegations against Trump. NO ONE HAS.
Stop saying it is partisan and start demonstrating that Trump did nothing wrong.
You can't. A trial will determine whether or not he will be convicted. Charged? It is LONG overdue.
Your "asking" everybody to refute the allegations but you haven't provided any links to any signed PDFs of the allegations to refute. All we hear is "it's out there for the public to see." Reality is, what the public as seen is a partisan shit show spawned from losing an election 6 years ago. So lets see the PDF files to refute.
As is so often the case, you dont know what you are talking about.
So what you are saying is that you have nothing and want everybody to just take your word for it.
So John, It's not our Job to defend trump from those suffering from TDS like the committee members, It is Merrick Garlands Job to prosecute him for all the crimes you have said he committed.
What's more telling is your refusal to address why Garland hasn't filed charges. Why John? why hasn't Garland stepped up?
That's a good point, George, but probably irrelevant. Whether or not Trump is guilty or innocent isn't the point, for the people with JR's ideology. What is relevant for them is that Trump is perpetually presented as the people's biggest enemy, along with the people who don't demonstrate outright hate for the man. I doubt they actually want to see Trump behind bars because he would lose most of his value to them as "a clear and present danger to democracy" they can use to manipulate society. Trump is actually a part of the machinery the Left depends on to move their plans forward for society.
It also helps tremendously that Trump is easy to hate with his narcissistic and bombastic personality. It serves their purposes perfectly that he always seems to slip through their fingers, which causes the Left's base to hate him even more, adding fuel to their fire, which they can direct toward their political enemies.
So John, who does the facts back up? If trump committed crimes, surely Garland wouldn't need Adam Shiff to produce the evidence for him, Would he? Is he so incompetent that he needs a liar like Shiff to do his work for him? It appears to this point the facts are.
1. Trump didn't commit a crime
2. Garland is so incompetent he can't figure out how to prosecute him after almost 2 years?
3. The mythical unicorn ate Garlands evidence.
Their attentions are slowly being shifted to Musk and DeSantis, as Trump becomes less and less relevant.
True, but Trump added a lot of milage to his usefulness by declaring his candidacy in two ways. The first and foremost, and why the Dems aren't going to be sending Trump to prison anytime soon, is that if/when DeSantis declares candidacy it will likely cause issues between DeSantis supporters and Trump supporters. Who knows how that will affect 2024? How many die hard Trump supporters might say away from the voting booth if DeSantis wins the nomination?
The second is that the I Hate Trump train doesn't stop on a dime and the Dems don't know who's going to be the actual Republican nominee any more than anyone else does. It would seem a no brainer that DeSantis would be the better choice for Republicans for 2024 but Trump shouldn't be underestimated. The Dems will likely wait to see which way the wind blows before making too big a shift.
And almost everyone of them have asked you why Garland has not indicted Trump for what you say are obvious, proven crimes.
AND YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER.
Unless JeffersonXX is here under a different name, I don't know any card carrying MAGA members in here. I wonder who you could be referring to? I would guess that it is an umbrella term for anyone who doesn't think of Trump as you do. Would that be fair to say?
Emphatically YES.
In fact, it isn't even enough to not like Trump or his actions, one must be obsessed with them, talk about them constantly, and pillory anyone who ever voted for him.
Yep. It's part of the Left's plan to shift our society from one of morality to one of honor/shame.
“The entire nation knows who is responsible for that day,\" Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday. \"Beyond that, I don’t have any immediate observations.”