No Labels can claim until the cows come home that the voters want a third choice, but the fact is a Manchin candidacy, or any No Labels presidential candidate would hurt Biden more. 

No Labels claims they will be in it to win it, but they have no chance to win. A No Labels candidate would have no shot at any of the biggest blue states, NY , Illinois or California, and without winning any of those No Labels would then have to win at least a few red states. There is even less chance of them winning a red state than there is of them winning a big blue state. No labels could win all the swing states and still not have enough electoral votes. 

So without a path to win, No Labels would by definition be a spoiler. The country cannot risk the effect of a spoiler candidate in 2024. 

No one knows who “no labels”  would hurt more, but it’s fun to see the self declared democracy defenders do everything they can to prevent people from having a choice on the ballot.

If the gop nominates Donald Trump Biden will win his well deserved second term!

No one "knows" if the sun will come up tomorrow, but we can make a good educated guess. The appeal of No Labels is self admittedly to moderates. Biden is far more likely to have moderates in his camp to start than Trump is. 

"I asked my chief strategist: 'What would a candidate have to be like in order to draw [voters] from Donald Trump as opposed to drawing from Joe Biden?' He said it would have to be someone to the right of Donald Trump," Romney said. Any No Labels candidate — including Manchin — Romney said, would be to the left of Trump and would pull votes from Biden.

So your claim is biden is so much more extreme than trump that it’s undoubted he has a more tenuous hold on moderates.  

a moderate will hurt the more extreme candidate.

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Maybe if he can stay awake and not mumble incoherent shit...................but doubtful. Perhaps they should put him back in the basement rather than being filmed.

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You should remind your friend that smoking is dangerious to his own and others health.

A moderate will hurt the candidate with the less extreme supporters. 

Trump?

Awe....What a shame!

Joe Manchin has two choices if he wants to continue in politics. He can run as a Senator in WV and most likely lose or he can run for president as a third party candidate and hope most people don't like either of the alternatives. I don't recall the democrats telling other third party candidates that they had no chance. I thought the democrats prepared for everything?  They changed state election laws, used taxpayer funds to get out every democratic voter, silenced any and all news that might hurt Biden and have prosecuted their main political opponent. Maybe the media will destroy Manchin or Manchin might just get even with those who stabbed him in the back on that risiculous spending bill?

Very well put. 

Joe Machin will not challenge President Biden...

You are correct "Machin" will not challenge anyone.

Joe Manchin may very well challenge Brandon and possibly Trump for the right to be president. What does Manchin have to lose at this point?

Democrats don't want him and are going to primary him; and he is from a conservative area of WV- so there is no possibility of running as an independent there and winning.

Leftists are scared shitless that Manchin will split moderate Dems; centrist Independents; and remove never Trumpers from the Brandon voting block. Without them Brandon stands no chance of winning.

Of course not ....Joe won in a landslide / S

Joe Biden Has a Cornel West Problem

The long-shot Green Party candidate is a persistent object of concern for Democrats.

Pull up a sticky green lawn chair, everyone. It’s time for another round of Mounting Democratic Jitters, cherished summer pastime from Wilmington to the West Wing. Today’s installment: Cornel West, unlikely MAGA accessory.

West, the famed academic and civil-rights activist, is a Green Party candidate for president. He probably will not win. Not a single state or, in all likelihood, a single electoral vote. But he remains a persistent object of concern around the president these days.

I’ve talked with many of these White House worrywarts, along with their counterparts on Joe Biden’s reelection team and the usual kettles of Democratic anxiety who start bubbling up whenever the next   existential-threat   election is upon us. Even with the nuisance primary challenger Robert F. Kennedy Jr. polling in the double digits, West inhabits a particular category of Democratic angst, the likes of which only the words   Green Party presidential candidate   can elicit.

You can understand the sensitivities, given the history. Democrats still recoil at the name Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee in 2016, whose vote total in key battlegrounds—Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania—wound up exceeding the margins by which Hillary Clinton lost in those states. What’s Dr. Stein doing these days, anyway?

“She is my interim campaign manager,” Cornel West told me this week in a phone interview. Not a joke, as Biden would say. Or an acid flashback. Apparently Ralph Nader was not available. Not Dennis Kucinich, either (already snapped up to run RFK Jr.’s campaign). It might be kind of funny if the stakes didn’t involve a return Trump ordeal in the White House.

“The fact that Jill Stein is running his campaign is a little on the nose,” one senior Democratic campaign strategist told me.

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West has repeatedly denied that he might play a spoiler role. “I would say that most of the people who vote for me would not have voted for Biden,” he told me. “They would have probably stayed home.” In a recent CNN appearance, West dismissed the two parties as a “corporate duopoly” and professed “great respect for my dear brother Ralph Nader and great respect for sister Jill Stein.” This did nothing to assuage Democratic jitters.

I asked West whether he would campaign all the way to Election Day 2024, or if he might reconsider his venture at some point. “My goal is to go all the way to November,” he said, but allowed that circumstances could change and so could his plans. “I’m trying to be a jazzlike man,” he said. “Trying to be improvisational.”

In his campaign-launch   video , West promised that his candidacy would focus on core progressive issues such as health care, housing, reproductive rights, and “de-escalating the destruction” done to the Earth and our democracy. “Neither political party wants to tell the truth,” West said, by way of explaining why he is running as a third-party candidate.

Notably, West has   asserted   that NATO was as much to blame for Russia’s war in Ukraine as the Kremlin. He has railed against the coalition as an “expanding instrument” of Western aggression, which he says is what provoked Russia’s onslaught. “This proxy war between the American Empire and the Russian Federation could lead to World War III,” he wrote in a social-media post calling for diplomatic talks. West also   dismissed   as a “sham” a House resolution—passed Tuesday—that affirmed U.S. support for Israel. “The painful truth is that the Israeli state—like the USA—has been racist in practice since its inception,” West wrote on Twitter.

Several Democrats were eager to tell their own truths about West’s endeavor, expressing uniform exasperation.

“This is not the time in order to experiment. This is not the time to play around on the margins,”   warned   Democratic National Committee Chair Jaime Harrison during a recent appearance on MSNBC. “What we see is a lot of folks who want to be relevant and try to be relevant in these elections and not looking at the big picture.”

“Too little attention is being paid to this,” David Axelrod, the former top Barack Obama strategist, told me. Axelrod recently gave voice to the gathering Democratic freak-out when he   tweeted   out some basic historical parallels. “In 2016, the Green Party played an outsized role in tipping the election to Donald Trump,” he wrote. “Now, with Cornel West as their likely nominee, they could easily do it again.”

In our interview, Axelrod noted that the 2020 race between Biden and Trump, in which neither Stein nor West was on the ballot, underscores how slim the Democrats’ margin of error remains. “When you have three states that you won by 41,000 votes combined, you just cannot afford to bleed votes, even a few of them,” Axelrod told me.

Ben Wikler, the Democratic Party chair of one of these states—Wisconsin—said he expects Trump allies to help prop up any third-party effort as a way to undermine Biden. “Regardless of the motivations of third-party candidates themselves, they can have the effect of delivering net votes to Trump next year,” Wikler said, “especially if a Trump-aligned super PAC pours money into targeted messages,” he added. “And those are exactly the kind of cynical games you have to expect.”

Cedric Richmond, a former Democratic congressman and White House adviser who recently signed on as co-chair of the Biden campaign, called West a “substantive person.” But Richmond argued that Biden has earned the support of the left through his record on the environment, health care, gun reform, and other progressive causes. “They also know that [Biden] could have done a hell of a lot more if not for this hostile Supreme Court,” Richmond told me. “And they know they got this hostile Supreme Court because ‘Hillary wasn’t good enough,’ because ‘we weren’t happy and we wanted to support Jill Stein’ or whatever the reason was at the time.” Now that voters have experienced a Trump presidency, he said, the cost of casting a protest vote with a third-party candidate should be much more apparent. “I think people have seen this movie, and they know the ending,” Richmond said.

In recent days, the putative-centrist outfit No Labels—which many Democrats have been quick to   label   as a pro-Trump collaborator—has been the main source of third-party hand-wringing.  The group is trying to recruit a so-called unity ticket that would appear on ballots across the country, possibly led by Senator Joe Manchin, the West Virginia Democrat.

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“The idea that a third-party candidate won’t hurt the Democratic nominee is preposterous on its face,” Matt Bennett, executive vice president of Third Way, a center-left policy think tank that lately has been focused on stopping No Labels, told me.   Recent polls   show that in a head-to-head race between Trump and Biden, Trump is more likely to benefit when a third-party candidate is added to the mix. Likewise, an   NBC survey   from last month revealed that 44 percent of registered voters would be open to a third-party candidate—and there were considerably more Democrats saying this (45 percent) than Republicans (34 percent).

But Bennett explained that if No Labels does not recruit a serious candidate to actually run, the group will remain a largely hypothetical menace. West, meanwhile, is definitely running. The Green Party has an organizational structure in place in many states that will ensure the nominee’s position on general-election ballots. West has deep roots on the left, and is better known than Stein was in 2016. Like Clinton, Biden has faced uncertainty about how much enthusiasm he can expect from his own party, especially young progressives.

“Dr. West has a huge following among college-age voters and a lot of folks who are more interested in social movements than they are in supporting Democratic or Republican candidates,” Basil Smikle, a Democratic strategist who was the executive director of the State Democratic Party of New York from 2015 to 2018, told me.

West was a vocal supporter of Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign in the 2020 Democratic primary. He has   said   that he wound up voting for Biden in the general election because “a fascist catastrophe is worse than a neoliberal disaster.” He also dubbed Biden “mediocre” and “milquetoast” (a tepid endorsement, let’s say).

Supporters of Biden are hopeful that the blessing of progressive allies such as Sanders, who endorsed his reelection in April, will insulate the president from the threat of West-inspired defections to the Green Party. “What Bernie can do is say, ‘Look man, we thought the existential threat of Trump had waned, but it’s still here,’” Smikle said. “We need you to show up again.”

Another prominent Bernie booster from 2020, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, endorsed Biden during a recent   appearance   on the podcast   Pod Save America . The host Jon Favreau asked a follow-up about what she thought of West. Ocasio-Cortez appeared to tread carefully but sounded deferential. “I think Dr. West has an incredible history in this country,” she said. “What he gives voice to is incredibly important.” She went on to slam No Labels as a source of great concern, given “the sheer amount of money and bad-faith actors involved with it.”

“Not all third-party candidacies are created equal,” Ocasio-Cortez summarized. But she landed on a pragmatic point. “The United States has a winner-take-all system, whether we like that or not,” she said, adding that the cost of messing around could be fascism. “We have to live with that reality,” she said. Live with Joe Biden, in other words. Because the alternative is far worse—not a joke.

West could peel a handful of votes from Biden from "the left". If this only swung one state to Trump it would be too many. 

Donald Trump is mentally ill. His social media over the past 2 1/2 years, (not to mention the previous six) proves it. But not only mentally ill, he is self obssessed, vindictive and ignorant.  A Bond villain minus the intelligence. 

The only real priority the nation should have is keeping him out of office.