Trump doesnt make any sense
Expect a daily recitation of Trump's stupid comments in social media to ramp up even more now.
Today he said that if loses Pennsylvania will change its name. "We have to win in November or we wont have Pennsylvania - they're gonna change the name of Pennsylvania "
I suppose he's trying to be funny, but stupid is not that funny unless you are the Three Stooges.
In the same speech he said today was Saturday.
https://x.com/BidensWins/status/1756124602311356518?s=20
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1756119798247751759?s=20
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WTF, i couldn't turn it off, "we have to win Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania..." was ready to smash computer !
Not sure how the uptighty righties think this is not worse than accidentally misnaming a country during a more in depth explanation about complex ME Issues, but when it comes to defending Trump, not sure of a lot. Yes, Biden is getting too old, as is Trump, the difference being Biden isn.t a psychopathic asshat who lies non stop about any and everything, where as Biden and his very even keeled advisors seem to be so much more in sync and up to the task this complex world has been dealing, cause Trump is too busy squealing as his art of the deal is where is the next election to be stealing, and please send him more money, to defend his never ending totally needed defense funds, because you're asswholes !
Obviously Trump tried to say "dollars" and "dino" came out.
he thought he was Fred Flinstone and gonna go grab Wilma and Betty buy the pussy while shaking down Barney for all his Rubles...
Is this a both-sideism seed or just a whatabout?
both are guilty, so to me, both sideism
It has been better than anything else on TV in months watching the brandon backers attempt to do damage control for brain dead Joe.
First they ignore what the report said and focus on the fact it should not have been said in the report at all.
After that fails and people are saying Joe has the brain of a turnip they put Joe on TV where he proves he has the brain of a turnip. It is painful to watch Joe try to complete a sentence and all of our adversities are gleeful.
Then the media goes into hysterical frenzy mode where Rachel Madcow says he can be president because he can ride a bike and they start bringing out people that said they talked to Joe a week or so ago and he was sharp. So believe what they say and not what you see or a report says.
And when all else fails but but but Trump comes out. Some even suggesting Trumps decline is faster and worse than the brain dead one when in reality Brandons decline is an order of magnitude worst than Trumps.
It is sad (and hilarious) listening to all those that are considering voting for Brandon try and rationalize why they will do it. Obviously they are not thinking about the good of the country.
Who should people vote for if the only viable choice is Biden or Trump?
Do you think either one is a viable choice?
If they are the nominees of their respective parties then they both are, by definition, the only viable choices.
The reality of presidential politics in 2024 is that the only individuals who have a chance at winning the presidency are the D nominee and the R nominee. Those two are the only viable choices.
Why are you asking that question of someone who attacks Biden 365 days a year ?
To cut through the entirely obvious bullshit.
That's true, if you only care about who wins in your state race.
I am in an interesting position, I already know which, RorD, is going to win my state,all I have had to do is stay quiet and listen.
If I vote D it won't made that candidate win , the D here might get 35%of the vote maybe less, the R WILL get 60to70%of the vote guaranteed.
So way I see it since I favor neither of those I am free to vote for whom ever I choose that isn't either of those candidates even if they have no chance to win.
Or I can simply not vote for president, there are other races federal state and local also on the ballot so staying home and not voting is not an option. So my vote for a 3rd party is not a vote for trump because Biden has zero chance to win the state even if he could pull all the independents to him. Right now he has about a 16% approval rating with all potential voters in the state and those numbers are from 2 weeks ago, and it is the lowest approval rating of all 50 states. He may have lost Dem voters here and a 3rd party candidate may end up getting more votes than the Dems once the dust clears .
Those are just the facts of where I live and the way it is .
True for Wyoming perhaps but not for swing states like mine. A no vote or vote for a third party, has very real consequences.
Biden won the 2020 electoral college by less than 43,000 votes in three states.
Same in Pa.
Sad state of affairs if within 8 years, these two are again, our only real choices.
Very true.
Sadly the GOP alternative is a candidate even more brain dead but also erratic and with VERY clear dictatorial tendencies. I really wish I had a choice but the two shitty parties in the country have decided that these two are who I get to choose between.
I have to go with the less brain dead but not obviously striving to be a dictator candidate.
I understand and respect the logic although I am not sure I would have come to the same conclusion. I felt the same way in 2016 assuming it was a one off election and by 2020 we would be back to some normalcy. Then along came 2020 and I was concerned that the new normalcy was headed in a bad direction. Now we have 2024 and I am sure the insanity is getting worse faster than I ever thought possible.
Until the voters send a clear message that if the parties keep making us decide between shit and shittier things will never get better. I see no other way to do that than pump up the third or fourth party number so the two main parties will have to take notice. Even if it is just in the states that are not really in play this year, like mine.
Some may say now is not the time but I say now is the perfect time. There has never been such a piss poor choice before and I find it hard to believe it will be replicated any time soon. But I thought the same thing in 2020 so what do I know
Exactly, it is much better to ask someone that trashes Trump 365 days a year.
That would work if there was a clear third party candidate who could garner a significant percentage of the vote (and thus catch attention).
Right now, there is none. So voting third party is as effective as abstaining.
Political parties only care about winning. If only 1% of the electorate votes and they get 50.1% of the votes (and electoral votes), they are celebrating.
Further, the problem is not primarily the management and elected officials of the political parties. Trump is going to be the nominee not because of the GOP officials and management but because of the coalition of a minority within the GOP electorate — we call them MAGA.
MAGA established momentum for Trump and then the natural herd mentality kicked in to snowball. A small minority of the GOP electorate is the core reason for why Trump will be the GOP nominee and the entire GOP is now stuck with him.
How could this have been avoided? By the non-MAGA getting off their asses and actively working against the MAGA forces while coalescing around an alternative.
Trump as the GOP nominee is a profound failure of the GOP electorate. The party and the politicians of the party are being led by the electorate.
That established, who would you recommend as the most effective third party candidate — one who could garner a significant percentage of the vote? Who should dissatisfied voters rally around in 2024?
If Biden and Trump are as bad as most people seem to say almost any third party candidate would be better and catch the attention of the big two. It will be interesting to see who no name goes with. Maybe Haley or Manchin or both
I very much wish you were correct.
Manchin is too old. Haley, maybe. If she were to run third party (I doubt she would ever leave the GOP) I would seriously consider voting for her since she would siphon from Trump.
As it stands right now, I see no viable choice for third party. Nobody who will make any difference nor even send a message of significance.
Of course, if someone like Oprah were to run third party, she would definitely have the possibility to send a message (if not win outright). Celebrity is uber powerful in the USA.
That is more than a little sad. It would be interesting if the party convinced Joe to step aside for her and let her run as a D for president since there are no other good options in the party.
We need both parties to push out their potential nominees.
Neither, clearly, is going to do that.
There is still time for one or both to not be the candidates for their party although time is running out.
Taking the nomination away from Biden would be like taking the car keys away from you aged, unsafe parents.
The GOP has an immediate solution. Go with Haley. They will not even do that.
The Ds show no signs whatsoever of moving away from Biden. If Biden does not voluntarily step aside, they will go with him.
Yep, they would whine and carry on but the people around them would be safer and better off. We took my fathers away at around 90 I believe.
That is today. The parties may not do it but who knows what can happen in the next couple months. Trumps Russian pee tapes might be found or a canceled check from Ukraine with a memo to Joe for services rendered may come to light.
Given the amount of time that the parties have continued with these likely nominees, and in spite of the polls suggesting that neither is an appealing nominee, the fact that these are still the likely nominees suggests we are stuck.
Something can happen, of course, but we are quickly running out of time. Both are on the cusp of being declared the presumptive nominee of their respective party. Each milestone like that increases the difficulty in making a change.
For example, if Biden drops out now, that means that all primary voters who voted for him have now been disenfranchised. Every primary exacerbates this problem. Same with Trump.
Spot on..
See thats the point and situation for me . Wyoming isnt a swing state and the majority is solid right wing , where the left has very little on the local or national presence as far as being able to gain any real traction they are ineffective and so small in number they havent a chance to win
To me voting for a party i have more disagreements than agreements with is to me a truly wasted vote .
But voting for a platform i agree with more than disagree with even if they have no chance of winning is more agreeable to me
Now if it were , then the situation would change and many would be correct that it would have to be a 2 party race , but thats not the reality here . So unless i vote for whom the majority votes for , my individual vote will not change the out come .
I also realize im not voting for any individual, i am voting for state electors, the presidential race is actually 50+ separate races for a single federal office . whom ever gets the most electors and has the coveted 270 number wins . thats civic and us government 101.
I have read through the responses and havent seen anything that changes anything as to what i have going on here .
i posted something a couple days ago along the lines , if you see me smiling , im thinking of doing something naughty , if you see me laughing , it means i have already done it .
Here is something i thought of that could change the issues i face . I can move to a swing state and fall in line with the 2 party directive and do so only long enough to vote .(smiling).to affect how that swing state falls .
The more I see Biden and Trump the more I lean in this direction. Living in CT I am in a similar situation, we are not a swing state.
But I will still wait until the ballot comes out before making a final decision.
You are basically describing every vote I’ve ever made. Party is the last thing I look at. Platform is everything.
The Republicans didnt have a platform in 2020 and probably wont this time either.
Because you won’t recognize or agree with it, doesn’t mean the platform wasn’t there. It was and if COVID hadn’t happened it would have won as well. You know it even if you won’t admit it that either.
Okay here is where you attack my intellect now John. Get some.
In an environmentally responsible way, they simply reused the 2016 platform,
I don't think either one of these two is fit for office but yes, I would vote for Biden over trump.
Ditto but inverted.
So we both vote, then go drink beer... LOL
Goddamn, how did we get here? lol. MrFrost is right, cast your ballot then get drunk, no good options.
lol …. I gotta be drunk before I vote
I did that in 2016, went cast my vote then played the drinking game, take a shot everytime the media talking heads had to declare who they thought would lose as the winner of a state as it was declared.
It both hurt the next day and was expensive.
Was also told it was funny because I stayed here on site when idid it, I say told because much of that night is still a blur.
When people say "they are both unfit" they are , probably unintentionally, making it more likely Trump will win.
I would rather not see Biden be president at age 82 to 86, and I wish he would step down this year, but he is not unfit. There is literally nothing to indicate that Biden is not capable of doing his job. He has been doing his job, and for the most part well.
Although Trump is demonstrably mentally ill, that is not the only source of his unfitness for office. He is a traitor, and being a traitor makes him unfit to be president.
Biden is too old, full stop. Trump is too old, and stupid, full stop. I’d prefer to have a president that doesn’t remember the 1950s as being “the good ol days.”
The "biden is unfit " theme will get trump elected. Dont worry be happy.
The fact that Biden is unfit isn’t up for debate, it isn’t a theme, it is a cold hard fact democrats need to face and address. Clean your own stall party of the jackass before you whine about the size of elephant shit.
"Biden the Unfit" vs "Trump the Traitor".
Sounds like a weird WWE match.
Does it mean I'm getting old if I just heard that ring announcer say let's get ready to ruuuuumble!
Maybe just a little old.