Trump's disturbing Time interview shows he has no idea abortion is a ticking time bomb for the GOP
By: Heather Digby Parton (Salon)
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Donald Trump has said many things that should have chased him out of politics a long time ago. But in an interview with Eric Cortellessa of Time Magazine this week, he finally said something so outrageous that it could make a difference in this campaign. When asked if states should monitor women's pregnancies so they can know if they've gotten an abortion after the ban, Trump replied:
"I think they might do that. Again, you'll have to speak to the individual states."
In other words, he's fine with whatever medieval torture a state might want to inflict.
That wasn't all. He went on to say that states prosecuting women who get abortions is none of his concern. He promised to reveal his position on a possible national ban on the widely used drug Mifepristone in two weeks. (The two weeks have passed and when Time approached him to see if he had an update he extended it.) He may be waiting to see if the Supreme Court lets him off the hook with a ruling in the FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine case they heard last month. And he was unwilling to say whether he will vote to overturn the 6-week abortion ban that goes into effect in his home state of Florida on Wednesday. Again, he said that it would be up to the state.
Trump thinks he's brilliantly found a way to evade responsibility for the backlash by insisting that turning it back to the states solves the problem. He really seems to believe that by putting the words "states' rights" on repeat, and constantly pushing the lie that ending Roe v. Wade, for which he proudly takes credit, was what every expert and the majority of Americans wanted, he can convince people the controversy is over. Here he is telling the press that people are very happy with what he's done:
Trump believes, with some reason, that he can change reality just by saying something over and over again. His Big Lie is proof that there are tens of millions of people who are ready to believe anything he says. But this position that the Supreme Court ban is exactly what "everyone" always wanted is a lie too far — even for him.
Support for abortion rights has grown since the Supreme Court issued the Dobbs decision and there is no evidence that this fatuous "states' rights" rationale means anything, especially since we all know that the extremists are planning to exhume archaic laws like The Comstock Act to further restrict reproductive rights on a federal level.
The Time interview comes on the heels of a flurry of belated reports in the press about his second-term agenda, which many of us have been screaming about for months. Project 2025 and Agenda 47 among other plans being pulled together by the MAGA establishment, which now includes venerable institutions like the Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth, have been public for months but the media seemed to be reluctant to take them too seriously. Perhaps this was because Trump campaign officials Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita put out several statements insisting that none of these plans were official campaign policies and that any lists of personnel or plans were mere suggestions. But the election is just six months away now and it is long past time that Trump is confronted with what we've been hearing. This interview makes it clear that the candidate is on board with all of it and even has some extreme ideas of his own to add to the list.
For example, Trump confirmed in this interview that he plans to control the Department of Justice and ensure that his attorney general does his bidding. He said that if the Supreme Court does not grant the president total immunity, then Joe Biden will be prosecuted for a plethora of unnamed crimes. (He later said he didn't want to hurt Joe Biden because he has respect for the office but essentially blames Biden personally for all of his legal troubles and payback's a bitch.)
He plans to round up millions of immigrants, put them in camps and deport them, using the military if necessary. If the local police won't cooperate he'll withhold federal funds from their cities until they comply. He will destroy the civil service as we know it and replace the personnel with loyalists and any member of his administration must swear that they believe the 2020 election was stolen. He'll close the pandemic preparedness office (!) because he knows how to deal with it without spending all that money.
On foreign policy, he believes that the whole world is in awe of his awesomeness and that world peace will be achieved the moment he becomes president again. And if our allies don't comply with his edicts, as he's said on the campaign trail, their enemies "can do whatever the hell they want."
Does Trump think there will be violence if he doesn't win the election in November?
"I don't think we're going to have that. I think we're going to win. And if we don't win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election."
That is a threat. (Nice little election you've got here...) As we all know, there is no such thing as a fair election that Trump doesn't win. He's made that crystal clear. And by saying over and over again to his people that he's way ahead in the polls (not true) and that it's impossible for him to legitimately lose, he's setting the stage for more violence if it happens.
Cortellessa asked Trump if he thinks his loose talk about dictatorship is "contrary to our most cherished principles" and Trump blithely replied, "I think a lot of people like it." Well, he certainly does.
Trump and the MAGA establishment have laid out a vivid plan for a revolutionary imperial presidency. He's said before that the Constitution can be suspended and repeatedly insisted when he was president that he had "an Article II" that gave him unlimited power. Now he's got the Supreme Court contemplating giving him immunity from prosecution for any of his crimes. As Biden would say, it's not a joke. He means it.
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The fool is in for a rude awakening.
Until Trump reaches so far as to disturb the wants and needs of his gullible minions who seem to prefer to have opinions, shaped in the far 'right' wrong way inserted opinions, they cattle in the heard, until that Pavlovs bell get rung, and this will be how Trumps herd gets undone.
I dont think there are a lot of otherwise Trump voters who will not vote for him because of abortion, but I do think that the abortion issue will bring out people, who otherwise wouldnt have voted at all , to vote against him and the Republicans.
Abortion issue is only one of some, that will cause the Trump undone.
Crazy how Trump and Republicans keeps polling better despite democrats thinking only abortion matters. There are very, very few people who are fanatical single issue voters, and those sorted along partisan lines years ago on abortion. Certainly there's no objective evidence to suggest that abortion will decide the election, given that it ranks as less important than "gun rights" among voters per CNN. 2024 will be decided on the voters' view of how the economy effects them and whether they "like" Trump or Biden better. Trump lost handily when abortion was legal. Now he's winning when it's not. He would be in the exact same spot if abortion were legal.
The Republicans havent won a contested election since Roe v Wade was ended.
They won the popular vote in 2022.
Look at their "defeat" in the blue state of Virginia last year. They won every single legislative district Joe Biden won by less than 10 points, but lost a couple seats because of gerrymandering. If that happens nationwide in 2024, it will be a Republican route.
The election will be close regardless of abortion, just like pretty much all elections are. It swings a few points here or there based on the economy. At the end of the day, who does a better job of ballot harvesting in contested states will matter much more than any single issue.
None of that even challenges what I wrote.
Donald Trump being the party head (especially in low turnout elections) hurts Republicans. Which is why Democrats spend tens of millions to support Trump allies in Republican primaries.
Sean's right, most normal citizens are not one issue voters. Abortion was more a factor in the midterms than it will be this year. The economy is the most important issue this time around.
Abortion restrictions loose Elections Republicans need to get that through their heads.