Interesting Question - Can Vance Survive As Trump's VP Candidate ?
JD Vance is off to a rocky start, has no path to bring new voters to Trump, and once called his boss a Hitler like figure.
How long before Trump starts exploring ways to ditch JD and install someone with broader appeal?
Prior to Harris becoming the Democratic candidate the Trump forces thought they were on a glide path to victory. Now that the Trump train is careening down the track heading towards a derailment he needs a distracting scapegoat. JD could be the sacrificial lamb in this scenario.
Now that the Dems have changed out a candidate there is little reason to think Trump will have any second thoughts about doing so as well.
Exposes of Vance show him to be a far right intellectual who is beholden to libertarian tech oligarchs who want to remake America in their image. In other words not necessarily in Trump's image.
If Vance doesnt get his act together and please Trump in the next few weeks dont be surprised if he is the next Trump associate who becomes under the bus road kill.
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Watch this train of thought begin to bubble up in the next few weeks.
I don't see it John.
I think the guy over at Five Thirty Eight has it right: This is going to become a policy choice election.
Trump is going to need to find a way to find new voters. Vance doesnt offer that possibility. Anyone that would vote for Vance is already a trump voter.
That is true John, Vance won't bring in different voters. Vance will simply keep the movement alive.
What will bring in new voters is for the Trump campaign to feature the views of Kamala Harris combined with what the country just saw democrats doing to Trump and their own guy, Biden.
I don't see it either. Trump's narcissism won't allow him to admit he made a mistake.
He'll blame the mistake on someone else.
So, you think VP picks have influence over voters and regions.
I think the last one who would arguably qualify would be LBJ. Nobody since then.
Well DUH!
Some do-- some don't!
Or deny he ever said anything about picking him. Damn that liberal press, it's all deep fake AI.
Trump isn't going to ditch Vance.
Only leftists hate Vance. Nothing he could have said or done will change that. He has the hated R behind his name. The fact he is the VP to Trump kicks the left's TDS factor into overdrive.
Here I thought you were asking a real question like- "Will being Trump's VP ruin any chance Vance has of ever becoming President"?
Vance, unlike Pence, is Trump's chosen successor. But the media will be just as merciless with Vance as they were with Pence. After 4 years of constant "Trump is the anti Christ and Hitler rolled into one" BS voters will again be burned out. No one will even want to consider Vance for President. Even with Kamala setting the bar for being a successful VP impossibly low for all future VP's.
That was Vance's line if you recall.
Well there's an old saying:
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day!
Speak for yourself!
I know several people who will.
Well, if Kamala Harris managed to survive her train wreck as Biden's VP, why wouldn't Vance survive as a Trump VP?
Wrong question. Democrats are still planning to throw Trump in jail. Remember the great lawfare project?
The only thing we know for certain is that Boomers don't have a clue how this election is going to turn out. If you remember Reagan in the White House then you're too old to matter any longer.
The - torch - has - been - passed. And we ain't going back, folks.
I'm older than dirt, and my vote still matters, just like it did for the first president I voted for....Dwight D Eisenhower!
Yikes, another thing we have in common!
Yeah, me too. But there are more voters today who haven't a clue who Dwight Eisenhower was. Voters deciding elections today have never heard of Barry Goldwater.
Kamala Harris will turn 60 before this election. Harris is too young to really know anything about Eisenhower, hippies, or Vietnam. Harris was 4 years old when MLK was assassinated. Harris is too young to really know anything about the civil rights movement. Harris was 10 years old when Saigon fell, does she really understand the comparison with the fall of Kabul? Kamala Harris will be eligible for Social Security by the next midterm election. Her generation has become the one concerned with Social Security; they're reaching retirement age. It's not about the Boomers any longer.
Don't you find it rather odd that Biden, born during WWII, was pandering to voters born in this century? The 20th century is ancient history for today's political activists. And we're supposed to be surprised that Biden doesn't understand why his economic record wasn't resonating? We aren't living in the 20th century economy any longer.
The only thing us old farts have left is to vote. And our numbers are shrinking every day so that voting doesn't have as much influence any longer.
But her aides gave her a good line when she challenged Biden to apologize for working with segregationist senators and for opposing school busing in the 1970s.
Kamala Harris could not legally drive a car in the 1970s. The Beatles broke up when Harris was 6. Elvis died when Harris was 13. Ronald Reagan was inaugurated when Harris was 16. Harris was 18 in 1984 but might not have been old enough to register before the election.
The only thing Harris knows about segregationist Senators is political spin. We have to recognize and accept that Boomers are now just another minority voting bloc. And Harris is going to pander to us the same way she panders to other minority voting blocs.
Your right but we will go out as we came in: kicking and screaming.
You know what's weird, I'm now the same age as old people.
Wow, all the way from Biden born before everything to Harris born after everything.
I disagree with your assessment of VP Harris. She's only 2 years younger than me and I understand teh Civil Rights movement, Vietnam, et al. You know why? Because I read. I bet she does, too. I also asked a lot of questions growing up while the news was on. Drove my parents nuts but they answered to the best of their ability.
You're selling her short
Kamala Harris is 20 years older than J.D. Vance.
Quite stretch isn't it?
No, I'm not selling Harris short. The point is she only understands these things intellectually.
You know, there are voters today who have only read about Sept. 11, 2001. They won't have a visceral understanding of what happened. Reading and watching videos about the terrorist attack is quite a bit different than experiencing the shock and grief of the moment.
I've lived through the Cuban missile crisis. There's been a lot of things written about that event. But no written word or wonder of film captures the smell of fear in the people around you. That's a visceral understanding of history that can't be obtained from books.
My point is that visceral knowledge is fading away. That visceral knowledge doesn't influence politics any longer. Those events have become talking points to generate an emotional response from voters who don't really understand what it was about.
You could say the same thing about the Lincoln and the McKinley assassinations. You didn't experience those. You didn't experience WWII or the A-Bomb
Spiritually she is 20 years younger.
Yep, another God and Bible believer.
Invoking Elizabeth Warren's spirit guide? Does that mean Kamala Harris will be the first indigenous, Black, Asian, woman President?
Might not be enough check boxes; better search for more.
Well........She does have more Indian DNA than Warren..........Sorry couldn't resist.
Dig your own transplanting hole, Nerm.
Agreed.
That's why she'd make a really excellent candidate-- totally open to fresh new ideas!
(After all, how can someone be unfairly biased against something they know nothing about?)
The DNC probably already is.
What do you have against "boomers"?
I personally know several who are quite well informed!
(Perhaps you're hangin' with the wrong crowd???)
Biden is Silent. Trump is a Boomer. Harris is GenX. And Vance is a Millennial.
It's 102 days until the election (as of 25 July 2024) and there's still uncertainty over who will be running for what office. Primary voters wasted their time voting for Biden. There's no certainty Trump is gonna stay on the ballot. Primary voters didn't even have chance to vote for Vance. And we do not know who is going to be the Democrat VP candidate.
Nothing in Boomer's long political experience has prepared them for this election. The coronation of Hubert Humphrey is perhaps the closest but even the Happy Warrior had a full campaign season to convince voters (and he failed). Boomers are trying to use past elections to predict this one and it's still just a WAG.
Well, since you asked-- no!
I may have to agree with the Vance naysayers. He was selected when it was still Biden. Now that Harris is the presumptive, the strategy probably needs to change. It's a whole new ball game with her. Someone should be thinking of that and possibly behind the scenes convince Vance to bow out so said adjustments can be implemented.
You are aware that Eric Holder is essentially choosing the Democrats' VP? And we're not sure Kamala Harris was allowed a choice when Holder was put in charge of the team.
Sure looks like Obama is running the show behind the black curtain. And Vance may be the perfect choice to litigate the Obama legacy.
You are aware that Eric Holder is essentially choosing the Democrats' VP?
Sure looks like Obama is running the show behind the black curtain.
Well, while we're at it-- why not also blame Hillary, eh?
Anyone remember Benghazi? And Hillary's laptop!
And of course Obama...
(Heck-- maybe even George Santos? )
LOL???
It's pretty obvious that Democrats don't pay attention to Hillary nowadays. Hillary has to push conspiracy theories to get reporters to talk to her.
There is no guarantee that Harris will even make it past the convention. Her record as a hard-core liberal, especially as Senator, could very well do her in. It's going to take way more than identity politics to get her elected.
The confirmation will be phoned in next week so the DNC convention is really rather pointless. A roll call of the states would be a sham for show. And Harris accepting the nomination at the convention would be so fake.
The only thing voters should anticipate is the message of unity at the convention. Democrats have set the bar to show us how its done. If Democrats don't lead the country in singing Kumbaya around the campfire then voters are going to be disappointed and sparks are gonna fly.
Excellent point!
The last thing the Democrats want in a candidate is an actual Liberal!
(Oh-- the horror!)
Good point!
(Well, there's one thing we can be thankful for-- Republicans would never do anything like that at their convention!)
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they do. Whoever flagged that should have their flagging finger taken away
Don't feel bad-- we all make mistakes!
And you are certainly entitled to your opinion!
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No, JD Vance Did Not Say He Had Sex with Couch Cushions
No, JD Vance Did Not Say He Had Sex with Couch Cushions | Snopes.com
Great example of how democrats media strategy. They make something up. Their gullible supporters swallow and get it to go viral, garnering millions of impressions and loding in the minds of the less informed voters the depend on and then the retraction a few days later gets largely ignored.
There will be people on this site still claiming this in November.
You mean like the reactionary propagandists who claim that Harris was an "escort" and "whore".
The cushions told me Vance and the couch cheated on them.
Correct!
(In fact I remember a really cool video showing him not doing that-- I was going to post it here but couldn't find it, I think they took it down)
Doesn’t make him gay. Many of us experimented with the couch in college.
Good point! Many straight people also have sex with couch cushions-- but most are not as honest about it as gay people!
(You know how those gay people are!!!
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Couches, can’t live with them, can’t live without them.
At this point, replacing the VP candidate - selected at the convention - is probably more trouble than it’s worth. I’m also not sure why they would want to.
Trump thought he was headed to a blow-out win over Biden with disheartened Democrats staying home instead of voting, and selected Vance solely to try to run up the numbers of his MAGA base. Vance is a disaster and everyone knows it.
If you saw the two of them sitting together at the RNC you’d think Trump is already considering dumping him. While the cameras were on them during random speeches Vance kept trying to make small talk with Trump, and Trump didn’t looked particularly thrilled to be next to him. I saw a worried look on Vance’s face about their struggle to look normal together. I’m sure it had gotten painfully under Trump’s skin that media outlets everywhere were repeating Vance’s prior massive criticisms of Trump. This won’t end well for Vance, and I can’t wait to see it go down just like everyone before him who thought they could ride the tiger.
Then why did he pick him? Did trmp forget about all the comparisons to Hitler?
He wanted a mini me.
Is there a reasonable alternative in Trump’s orbit? I’m sure his preference would have been MTG with a boob job and face lift to make her look more like Boebert, but it wasn’t entirely up to him.
LOL
Having a bit of a problem with embedding an image, John?
But yeah, I can almost see it
I see what you mean. I remember the McCain-Palin ticket. The wonderboys thought having a woman on the ticket was the bomb and it turned out they didn't vet her well or really interview her to learn how dimwitted she was.
Maybe it's the 2008 campaign all over again?
It did glitch a few times. I have no idea why.
As I said the other day, Vance is just Sarah Palin with a beard.
I'm no JD fan, but he is much smarter than Sarah. He has a functional family as well.
Have you listened to him or read about anything he's said? He makes her look like a stable genius.
Probably because he has to pick somebody, and party leadership just selected him for their own reasons. It’s not like Trump has any intention of actually working with whoever is VP.
It’s not like Trump has any intention of actually working with whoever is VP.
He didn’t even have any intention of keeping his last one alive.
with better eye liner