What facts? Kinzinger says that thousands of soldiers retired just the same way Walz did, including during the Iraq war.
When Walz retired in 2005 he had a four year old daughter. Kinzinger says it is very common for soldiers with 20+ years in to retire rather than accept an 18 month deployment.
He also says Walz wasnt afraid of combat, as a Command Sergeant Major he would have stayed at headquarters and not in the field.
Everything you dont like about the opposition to the insane Trump is "grifting" to you. Kinzinger would still be in Congress if he hadnt been gerrymandered out of his district and because of the right wings hatred of him unable to relocate to another Republican district he could win.
A command sergeant major ( CSM ) is a non-commissioned rank and position of office in the United States Army . The holder of this rank and position is the most senior enlisted member of a color-bearing Army unit ( battalion or higher). The CSM is appointed to serve as a spokesman to address the issues of all soldiers, from enlisted to officers, from warrant officers and lieutenants to the Army's highest positions. As such, they are the senior enlisted advisor to the commander . The exact duties vary depending on the unit commander, including observing training and talking with soldiers and their families.
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According to this, and what Kinzinger said, Walz would not have seen combat even if he stayed in the Army. He would have been on staff at headquarters.
inzinger would still be in Congress if he hadnt been gerrymandered out of his district and because of the right wings hatred
Do you think the Republicans in Illinois "gerrymandered" Kinzinger? When was the last time Republicans in Illinois had any say in the state congressional map?
I didnt say Republicans gerrymandered him. But if he wasnt persona non grata to the Republican Party he might have relocated to a Republican district where he could win. You know, like Lauren Boebert did.
He might of ,could of, or???? Lot of speculation there John, How about he pissed off the people he was sent to represent so he got kicked to the curb, Like Cory Bush? or Bowman?
According to real-life, a CSM would be paired with a Colonel (O-6) as a hat-holder and right-hand man, and in an area eligible for combat pay, subject to random rocket attack, at a minimum.
the full version of the discussion of Walz leaving the military starts at 20:00 mark and runs for appx. 18 minutes. It is well worth listening to if you have the time.
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As anyone who has served in the military knows, there are often good-spirited jokes about other branches and jobs. The Air Force gets called the “Chair Force” (we love this, actually), the Marines get called dumb, and so on. While not true, these jokes keep interservice rivalries lively and everyone on their toes. In general, we all respect each other and understand that whether you are kicking down doors, flying planes, gassing vehicles, or cooking food, you are willing to do what 98 percent of the country isn’t: serve for a cause above all others. This makes the attacks on Tim Walz, particularly from JD Vance, especially sickening.
JD Vance was an enlisted Marine who served honorably. While he didn’t see combat (he was in public affairs), he still deployed and served his nation as expected. He got out at the end of his service commitment and did not make it a 20-year career. Tim Walz joined the Army Guard and served honorably for 24 years, achieving the highest enlisted rank offered. That is quite an accomplishment. The nation should be proud, and JD Vance should be respectful of his fellow warrior.
The attacks on Walz have proven to be not only false but also disgusting. I will debunk the attacks that have been floating around. But first and foremost, keep one thing in mind: Donald Trump not only didn’t serve in the military, he actively avoided service by claiming he had “bone spurs.” With him, everything is a projection, and he’s projecting his cowardice onto others, in this case, Gov. Walz.
First Lie: Governor Walz quickly exited the military after learning he was going to deploy, thereby leaving his men out to dry.
Truth: Gov. Walz actually put in his paperwork for retirement before any deployments were alerted. In fact, he served for four years AFTER 9/11 and two years after the Iraq war. He did not leave at the first sign of combat. He stayed well past when he could have retired at 20 years.
Even if he had learned of a deployment and then retired (he didn’t), there were countless people during that time who were retirement eligible and left when deployments were on the horizon. After 20 years of serving, it was their right, and who could fault them?
Lie: Gov. Walz left his men without leadership.
Truth: His unit was fully staffed and had adequate leadership without him. In fact, had the unit not had appropriate staffing, they could have denied his retirement and ordered a “stop loss,” which happened to thousands of military members in jobs that needed people. Stop loss was used regularly and would have been enacted if the situation deemed it.
Lie: Gov. Walz never made Chief Master Sgt.
Truth: He was a CMSGT for a few years, and after retiring, was only demoted because he had not completed his professional military education and hadn’t served in that rank long enough to retire in it. To retire at a rank, you must have held it for three years. I retired as a Lt Colonel; had I retired before being an LTC for three years, I would have reverted to the previous rank of Major. There is no dishonor in this; it happens all the time. I still would hold the title of LTC.
In fact, in the Army aviation branch, many officers resign their commissions to become warrant officers, a lower rank, so they can keep flying and do less desk work. This is common in the Army National Guard, and just because they did that doesn’t mean it was a scandalous demotion.
The attacks from anyone, especially the coward Trump, are a disservice not just to Gov. Walz but to anyone who served in uniform. Now, any military member thinking of running for office could be dissuaded because who knows how any part of your military record could be twisted or distorted to make your service look less than honorable.
We have a pandemic in this country of weak men attacking stronger men to feel better about themselves and to denigrate military service to make their own lack of service not appear so self-serving or cowardly. It bodes darkly for the future, and we must push back against this with everything we have. Serving in the military is honorable and must be seen as such, regardless of the veteran’s party affiliation.
Finally, JD Vance got out after his initial enlistment. If we wanted to play his game, we could say he left his country out to dry by not reenlisting, and if he was a real hero, he would have stayed. Of course, I don’t mean that, he served honorably, but it’s equivalent to what they are doing to Gov. Walz now. And it makes me sick.
J D has a long record of lying about other vets service and keeping people in the dark about his own. See here Josh Marshall
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Swift Boating JD (AKA Sgt Scribbles), the early years: Here JD is in 2022 lambasting Barry McCaffrey as a failing General who swilled wine while kids died. Actually he led the decisive attack in Gulf War (see 'left hook') and earned three Purple Hearts. It's a pattern with JD. x.com/JDVance/status…
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Kinzinger points out that Walz was entitled to retire in exactly the way he did it.
It is a straightforward and very effective takedown of Vance's claim against Walz.
Kinzinger by the way, was in the National Guard for 20 years.
Kinzinger points out that Walz was entitled to retire in exactly the way he did
no one said he wasn’t.
But I’m sure the world’s most loyal Democratic Party lap dog isn’t going to facts get in the way. His grift depends on it.
Kinzinger says it happens all the time, just the way Walz did it. Watch the videos.
So? Doesn’t change the facts. He’s running to be the VP.
What facts? Kinzinger says that thousands of soldiers retired just the same way Walz did, including during the Iraq war.
When Walz retired in 2005 he had a four year old daughter. Kinzinger says it is very common for soldiers with 20+ years in to retire rather than accept an 18 month deployment.
He also says Walz wasnt afraid of combat, as a Command Sergeant Major he would have stayed at headquarters and not in the field.
This swiftboating is sinking.
Everything you dont like about the opposition to the insane Trump is "grifting" to you. Kinzinger would still be in Congress if he hadnt been gerrymandered out of his district and because of the right wings hatred of him unable to relocate to another Republican district he could win.
Sure. It's a whole lot easier than having to do what real soldiers have to do do - with jail as an alternative.
According to this, and what Kinzinger said, Walz would not have seen combat even if he stayed in the Army. He would have been on staff at headquarters.
That's a strawman. Did Vance, or anyone else, say that he didn't have the legal right to retire?
en Walz retired in 2005 he had a four year old daughte
Who said he didn't?
lz wasnt afraid of combat,
How would Kinzinger know what Walz was afraid of? Iraq was not a safe place, even for those not in combat.
Do you think the Republicans in Illinois "gerrymandered" Kinzinger? When was the last time Republicans in Illinois had any say in the state congressional map?
I didnt say Republicans gerrymandered him. But if he wasnt persona non grata to the Republican Party he might have relocated to a Republican district where he could win. You know, like Lauren Boebert did.
He might of ,could of, or???? Lot of speculation there John, How about he pissed off the people he was sent to represent so he got kicked to the curb, Like Cory Bush? or Bowman?
Yep. I think a lot of his constituents were pissed off about his participation in the J6 committee, made for TV, shitshow.
According to Kinzinger , who was in a National Guard roughly as long as Walz was, what Walz did happens all the time.
That should be the end of this ridiculous swiftboating episode.
Of course not, in Illinois the opaque gerrymandering is done by the dem state legislature.
According to real-life, a CSM would be paired with a Colonel (O-6) as a hat-holder and right-hand man, and in an area eligible for combat pay, subject to random rocket attack, at a minimum.
No random rocket attacks in beautiful Vicenza, but when I've been there you did have to watch for pick pockets.
I loved my time there but alas, no combat patch earned for the visits.
Didn't the Marines attack a ski lift there? That can really annoy the locals.
the full version of the discussion of Walz leaving the military starts at 20:00 mark and runs for appx. 18 minutes. It is well worth listening to if you have the time.
adamkinzinger.substack.com /p/the-swiftboating-of-walz-is-sick
The Swiftboating of Walz is Sick, Inacurate, and Will Fail
Adam Kinzinger 5-6 minutes 8/7/2024
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As anyone who has served in the military knows, there are often good-spirited jokes about other branches and jobs. The Air Force gets called the “Chair Force” (we love this, actually), the Marines get called dumb, and so on. While not true, these jokes keep interservice rivalries lively and everyone on their toes. In general, we all respect each other and understand that whether you are kicking down doors, flying planes, gassing vehicles, or cooking food, you are willing to do what 98 percent of the country isn’t: serve for a cause above all others. This makes the attacks on Tim Walz, particularly from JD Vance, especially sickening.
JD Vance was an enlisted Marine who served honorably. While he didn’t see combat (he was in public affairs), he still deployed and served his nation as expected. He got out at the end of his service commitment and did not make it a 20-year career. Tim Walz joined the Army Guard and served honorably for 24 years, achieving the highest enlisted rank offered. That is quite an accomplishment. The nation should be proud, and JD Vance should be respectful of his fellow warrior.
The attacks on Walz have proven to be not only false but also disgusting. I will debunk the attacks that have been floating around. But first and foremost, keep one thing in mind: Donald Trump not only didn’t serve in the military, he actively avoided service by claiming he had “bone spurs.” With him, everything is a projection, and he’s projecting his cowardice onto others, in this case, Gov. Walz.
First Lie: Governor Walz quickly exited the military after learning he was going to deploy, thereby leaving his men out to dry.
Truth: Gov. Walz actually put in his paperwork for retirement before any deployments were alerted. In fact, he served for four years AFTER 9/11 and two years after the Iraq war. He did not leave at the first sign of combat. He stayed well past when he could have retired at 20 years.
Even if he had learned of a deployment and then retired (he didn’t), there were countless people during that time who were retirement eligible and left when deployments were on the horizon. After 20 years of serving, it was their right, and who could fault them?
Lie: Gov. Walz left his men without leadership.
Truth: His unit was fully staffed and had adequate leadership without him. In fact, had the unit not had appropriate staffing, they could have denied his retirement and ordered a “stop loss,” which happened to thousands of military members in jobs that needed people. Stop loss was used regularly and would have been enacted if the situation deemed it.
Lie: Gov. Walz never made Chief Master Sgt.
Truth: He was a CMSGT for a few years, and after retiring, was only demoted because he had not completed his professional military education and hadn’t served in that rank long enough to retire in it. To retire at a rank, you must have held it for three years. I retired as a Lt Colonel; had I retired before being an LTC for three years, I would have reverted to the previous rank of Major. There is no dishonor in this; it happens all the time. I still would hold the title of LTC.
In fact, in the Army aviation branch, many officers resign their commissions to become warrant officers, a lower rank, so they can keep flying and do less desk work. This is common in the Army National Guard, and just because they did that doesn’t mean it was a scandalous demotion.
The attacks from anyone, especially the coward Trump, are a disservice not just to Gov. Walz but to anyone who served in uniform. Now, any military member thinking of running for office could be dissuaded because who knows how any part of your military record could be twisted or distorted to make your service look less than honorable.
We have a pandemic in this country of weak men attacking stronger men to feel better about themselves and to denigrate military service to make their own lack of service not appear so self-serving or cowardly. It bodes darkly for the future, and we must push back against this with everything we have. Serving in the military is honorable and must be seen as such, regardless of the veteran’s party affiliation.
Finally, JD Vance got out after his initial enlistment. If we wanted to play his game, we could say he left his country out to dry by not reenlisting, and if he was a real hero, he would have stayed. Of course, I don’t mean that, he served honorably, but it’s equivalent to what they are doing to Gov. Walz now. And it makes me sick.
JD became a Senator 20 months ago, how long of a record is that?