All-Out MAGA Civil War Engulfs Trump Already

Vivek Ramaswamy made a comment on X  to the effect of Americans are too stupid to be world class engineers.  Then all hell broke loose when the run of the mill MAGA objected.  Now it seems Musk is bigfooting the situation by canceling lunatics like Laura Loomer. 

Maybe daddy Trump will step in and take control by telling everyone to get back to their true purpose as a MAGA - worshiping him. 

I  hate myself for saying this but I'm with the MAGA-ites this time. We have plenty of talent in STEM in this country. Musk just wants to pay foreign techies less money because he's a Corporatist and a sleazy one at that.

However....I'm getting the popcorn ready

I love it when fascists eat their own.

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it is cute the way you call Trump 'daddy" that might catch on.

Trump is a lot of progressives/liberals, daddy.    

It’s hilarious to observe.

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Trump is a lot of progressives/liberals, daddy.    

Um, no. 

Yep, hilarious.    Although it’s starting to become a little sad.

A civil war, go Laura.

Vivek is another wealthy plutocrat who wants to import cheap labor.

The whole clan is like that. Trump and Musk, too. Musk - who made billions thanks to government subsidies - wants people working his DOGE thing for free. Trump is legendary for not paying his bills. 

But when the rest of us characterize these people as predators, getting absurdly rich at the expense of the least of us, we’re all whiny babies who can’t accept reality. The reality is these guys are just as slimy - and worse - as they are portrayed, and we see it in their actual words and actions.

Trump uses HB1 to bring in cleaning people, cooks and bartenders for Mar a Lago…

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And he doesn't even give them free room and board

Trump uses HB1 to bring in cleaning people, cooks and bartenders for Mar a Lago

Actually H-2B visas, per your linked article, which are a different animal altogether ( for nonagricultural seasonal workers) , but still I get your point, especially since one would think there should be available American workers to fill the H-2B type less-skilled labor positions.  Some info on H-2B labor rates that Mar a Lago would have had to follow HERE .  So if Trump used H-2B labor instead of American workers he wouldn't have gotten away with paying them much less than the American labor counterpart, in some cases more than more skilled positions. Would be interesting to see what he actually paid them, and why he couldn't find equivalent American labor to fill those positions.

This is actually a much different situation than H-1B Visa having to do with much more specialized and skilled labor, that in many cases is more difficult to fill from strictly a US citizen labor force.

I know that it’s a different animal, I was quoting Trump saying that the H-1B was used for service people which of course it is not.

I to, would like to know what he paid them, according to the service workers union he paid much less than they currently receive as union members.

I to, would like to know what he paid them, according to the service workers union he paid much less than they currently receive as union members.

Interesting.  Can you provide a link to that info, I have a bet with a few folks that he pays the bare minimum.

I did find this from 2017 :

Under requests approved by the U.S. Labor Department, Mar-a-Lago can employ 35 foreign waiters, 20 cooks and 15 housekeepers to help serve its 500 members starting this month through May 31. The waiters will receive $11.88 an hour with no tips, the cooks $13.34 an hour, and the housekeepers $10.33 an hour. The waiters’ and cooks’ wages are slightly above the national average for those fields and the housekeepers’ slightly below, according to Labor Department statistics.

I imagine those numbers are a bit higher today.  I don't know if " with no tips " means they aren't allowed to get tips or if they just mean that their salary sans the tips they get is $11.88/hour.  Hopefully they make more in tips than their salary like many servers and bartenders I know who work in higher end clubs, restaurants or bars.  

Never doubt that the main purpose of H1B visas is to replace native-born American tech workers with cheap foreign labor. Anyone telling you otherwise, including St. Elon, is ignorant or lying.

FALSE

First of all, the conditions for the employer petition for a prospective H-1B applicant are such that the nonimmigrant worker cannot be paid less than any other employee applying for the same position.  See USCIS info HERE .

Your sponsoring employer must submit a Labor Condition Application (LCA) for your position, certified by the Secretary of Labor, when filing the H-1B petition with USCIS. The LCA serves as proof that the employer is offering, and will offer during the period of authorized employment as an H-1B nonimmigrant, wages that are at least the actual wage level paid by the employer to all other individuals with similar experience and qualifications for the specific employment in question, or the prevailing wage level for the occupational classification in the area of employment, whichever is greater, based on the best information available as of the time of filing the LCA.

Second, it is a FACT that there is an expanding shortage of skilled labor in the US in many technical fields.  See article HERE .

• The Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates that by 2026, the shortage of developers in the US will exceed 1.2 million. Additionally, 545K of the current software engineering workforce will have left the market by that time. (BLS)

• The USA is facing some of the world’s greatest year-over-year skills gap increases. Between 66% and 90% of US employers struggle to find the skills they need, with tech positions being among the top 10 hardest roles to fill. (ManpowerGroup)

Or HERE at American Institute of Physics :

In a  policy brief accompanying the report, NSF’s governing board argues that the U.S. now faces an “accelerating STEM talent crisis,” in part due to the longstanding underperformance of the U.S. pre-K-12 education system in comparison with many peer countries.

 AIP and the National Science Board (NSB) recommend a combination of cultivating our own STEM workforce and policies to attract STEM talent from around the world.

Yet the United States is facing an accelerating science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) talent crisis that increasingly puts our economic and national security at risk. To Remain Globally Competitive, the United States Must Use a Two Pronged Talent Strategy: Implement policies that ramp up the flow of domestic talent into the STEM workforce along the full diversity of career pathways. Put policies in place to attract and retain STEM talent from around the world.

Now can we address the root issue or shall we continue to simply call each other "ignorant" or "liars"? 

So, we've learned that immigrants really are parasites on society.  Who would of thought that Trump's inner circle would prove that Democrats' open border politics is destroying America?  Musk and Ramaswamy have become the poster boys for the stupidity of the academic elite.

Has anyone noticed that MAGA is doing what Democrats could only wet dream about?  Democrats corrupted government and spent billions trying to undermine Trump.  And all that was needed was one mediocre tweet from a fake MAGA tech guy.

So, we've learned that immigrants really are parasites on society.  Who would of thought that Trump's inner circle would prove that Democrats' open border politics is destroying America?  Musk and Ramaswamy have become the poster boys for the stupidity of the academic elite.

Just like the 10 poorest states in the Union....9 of which are red states. 

The real elites are now running things and the folks that voted for Trump had no idea that he was going to appoint over a dozen Billionaires to crash MAGA and everyone else.

Trump finally weighed in today and in a hilarious turn of events backed immigration to support Musk in his X(Twitter) battles with Loomer and disillusioned MAGA. Trump supporters were trashed by Musk with both Musk and Ramaswamy calling them too stupid to fill the jobs that more HB1 visas could fill with smarter foreigners. Crazy times. So we have two billionaire Trump appointees who openly trash MAGA that got them in the door by electing Trump.

Nothing like over dramatized commentary.

So what do you suppose is more important to the author of the seeded article?

1.   The fact that hardline anti-immigration (of any kind) MAGA like Bannon, Loomer or Gaetz are in a rift with Elon Musk and Ramaswamy over the H-1B matter so that it can be characterized as a "MAGA metldown" or "civil war", much to the glee of the anti-MAGA or anti-Trump crowd, or 

2.   That perhaps the reality of the tech labor and software developer shortage in this country is real and that we may need to embrace the H-1B Visa program as a means to help fill the gap until such time as the US education system can wake up and deliver the education necessary to grow our own higher tech labor force?

While I never supported Trump and am not a fan of the more extreme end of the so-called MAGA movement (especially those characterizing ALL immigration as bad, or bordering on racism), I can say without reservation that item 2 is much more important to me.  I can understand why the H-1B program is important and why it should be improved to offer the best solution for both employers and the workers.  I work in the tech and engineering industry so I am very familiar with the labor shortages in the US tech industries and understand what Musk is getting at.  Some here can keep spinning the meme that he and Ramaswamy are calling the American workforce stupid, or that the H-1B Visa program is somehow equivalent to the expansion of illegal immigration, but neither is the truth of the matter.

The H-1B is a temporary (nonimmigrant) visa category that allows employers to petition for highly educated foreign professionals to work in “specialty occupations” that require at least a bachelor’s degree or the equivalent.ii Jobs in fields such as mathematics, engineering, technology, and medical sciences often qualify. Typically, the initial duration of an H-1B visa classification is three years, which may be extended for a maximum of six years .

According to many economists, the presence of immigrant workers in the United States creates new job opportunities for native-born workers. This occurs in five ways. First, immigrant workers and native-born workers often have different skill sets, meaning that they fill different types of jobs. As a result, they complement each other in the labor market rather than competing for the exact same jobs. Second, immigrant workers spend and invest their wages in the U.S. economy, which increases consumer demand and creates new jobs. Third, businesses respond to the presence of immigrant workers and consumers by expanding their operations in the United States rather than searching for new opportunities overseas. Fourth, immigrants themselves frequently create new businesses, thereby expanding the U.S. labor market. And fifth, the new ideas and innovations developed by immigrants fuel economic growth.

I don't see that Trump changing his tune on this H-1B matter as such a bad thing.  At least it shows that he can change his mind if/when new information is provided.  On issues like this I think it is preferable to go to the heart of the matter, rather than fanning the flames of the extremes, IMHO.

Trump is Musk's cockholster. 

An intellectual and well reasoned analysis… worthy of student loan forgiveness, eh? /s