The attacker has been identified as Shamsud Din Jabbar. He is an American citizen who was born and raised in Beaumont, Texas and is a U.S. Army veteran.
The suspect is a US Army vet born in America carrying an ISIS flag. In general the president (elect) should probably wait until they know what happened before deciding which group to demagogue.
A large number of these illegals have turned out to be killers, rapists, traffickers of women and children, gang bangers, and everyday criminals, yet no one on the left seems to bitch and bellyache about them.
The San Bernadino and Fort Hood mass shooters were also American born citizens, as if that had any bearing on their radical Islam beliefs.
A large number of these illegals have turned out to be killers, rapists, traffickers of women and children, gang bangers, and everyday criminals, yet no one on the left seems to bitch and bellyache about them.
And this 'large number', is what ? What % would you say a 'large number' would represent ? Your source would be where, to back up your 'talking point' ?
His comment is irrelevant because this killer was an American born citizen. He wasn't illegal. Hell! He was honorably discharged from the Army and did at least one tour in Afghanistan.
Now before someone thinks I'm defending this POS, I just want to make clear he was not an illegal
He wasn't illegal. Hell! He was honorably discharged from the Army and did at least one tour in Afghanistan.
yes, but those inconvenient FACTS, don't bode well for the Trump talking points agenda, that is just fckd up. What responsible person makes such an accusation without knowing for sure, as he is the President Elect for Christ sake, he's asleep when awake, he's the orgasm Putin didn't fake, and he wants to eat him too, like cake icing up our future road to be travelled, like a whirled wind blowing, cause as wading, he should of been Roeing, and to HELL, he can't be going, soon enuff for say , ME, so i DID
should probably wait until they know what happened
While I can most definitely agree that waiting until they know what has happened before commenting is a good idea, that hasn't stopped ALL of Washington from spouting partisan talking points when the initial information matches their partisan side. We see it all the time from both sides in Washington and here as well.
While I can most definitely agree that waiting until they know what has happened before commenting is a good idea, that hasn't stopped ALL of Washington from spouting partisan talking points when the initial information matches their partisan side. We see it all the time from both sides in Washington and here as well.
Very true. Like a few weeks ago when the girl shot up the Christian school using a hand gun and leftists came out in droves screaming for a ban on assault weapons.
Fox News has now retracted their earlier claim that the suspect in the New Orleans attack drove the truck across the border a couple days ago in Eagle Pass, Texas. Fox News? Spreading misinformation so people think the suspect is an illegal immigrant? Color me shocked
hy doesnt Trump just keep his fucking mouth shut until the facts become clear?
THe FBI lied to the public and said it wasn't a terrorist event and you obsessively attack Trump for making an incorrect inference based on a news report. Sums up the progressive mindset as well as anything.
Trump's statement is about the last thing that should be upsetting you from the last 12 hours. Some dude posting on X that women should get married draws more progressive outrage than an Islamic terrorist attack.
No, nothing of Biden is going to serve as an excuse for what we will see in the next four years from Trump. How is it that people like you can continue to make excuses for Trump? What is the motivation to run interference for this idiot?
You are denying facts ... right in front of your face even ... and instead engaging in partisan exaggeration and flat out absurd lies. To claim Harris is an imbecile ... especially in context of Trump ... illustrates acute blind partisanship.
"Trump voters kept an idiotic, word salad talking, imbecile DEI hire out of the most powerful office on the planet."
The dems rejected her soundly in the 2020 primaries. I guess she got better since then and they all love her now. Or at least they did since she got trounced.
Why doesnt Trump just keep his fucking mouth shut until the facts become clear?
Indeed! Why doesn’t everybody, particularly the media and political pundits on any number of subjects? You may find the answer will be the same regardless.
Some dude posting on X that women should get married draws more progressive outrage than an Islamic terrorist attack.
Bullshit, Sean! I am more outraged about this terror attack than I am some moron spouting nonsense on the internetz! Stop acting like you know how everyone thinks!
The crime rate in our country is at a level that nobody has ever seen before.
Another Trump lie. His motivation for that lie is very likely to terrorize the American people so that many will be accepting of the police state he intends to attempt to impose.
lol …. The left should know with the deep state, police state they’ve been rocking for the last 5-6 years. If it happens from this point forward, theirs will be the template to follow.
So, the "left" the "deep state" and the "police state" are all the same people? Wow! Sounds like the violence prone Trump owned fascists are seriously outnumbered!
You think the sitting PotUS should be blamed for a nutcase running down people with a truck?
Do you understand that this seed is about what Trump said? Do you think what Trump said was responsible, helpful, presidential?
Are you going to deflect everything onto Biden instead of dealing with the asshole who made the statement?
The only thing I have is something posted on Elon Musk's Close App site (formerly known as Twitter). (X is a universal icon for close app.) I have no idea where the statement attributed to Trump came from, if Trump actually wrote the statement, or the context surrounding the statement. I have no idea who Tim Miller is. And we've all been admonished not to get our news from social media.
Barring the rather obvious questions concerning the source, why is the statement attributed to Trump wrong? Throwing hissy fits of self-righteous outrage over a statement attributed to Trump doesn't make the statement wrong. Whether Trump actually made the statement or not, this has been happening since the fall of Saigon. Criminals and terrorists have been infiltrating the United States and breeding here. The fucking Khmer Rouge was allowed to immigrate to the United States and become citizens. And, yes, Democrats thought that was a good idea when Bill Clinton needed votes.
Biden is the sitting President. This happened on Biden's watch. Biden worked long and hard to make US citizenship a participation award and transform the US military into an indoctrination tool for terrorists. Biden represents who we have become as a nation. And guess who wants to deflect from what Joe Biden has done to cover Joe Biden's ass.
Biden is the sitting President. This happened on Biden's watch.
This comment is ridiculous. All sorts of bad things happen on a President's watch. Where do you get the utterly naive notion that the PotUS controls everyone's behavior?
These maniacs are completely obsessed with Joe Biden, as is Trump . Even though the clown won the election he still attacks Biden on his social media every damn day.
This is just beyond stupid. All sorts of bad things happen on a President's watch. Where do you get the utterly naive notion that the PotUS controls everyone's behavior?
Yes, all sorts of things happen on a President's watch. And this is Joe Biden's watch; meaning Joe Biden bears the burden of responsibility to enforce protections already in place, marshal Federal resources to plan for unspecific but predictable threats, and set the tone of leadership for those engaged in the daily grind of protecting the country and its people. Thoughts and prayers may sound politically correct, alligator tears may fool the pubic, but, in the end, only the President has the authority to do what needs be done. And this is still Joe Biden's watch.
An entirely unrealistic expectation that shows a complete lack of understanding of the role and powers of the PotUS.
Then why is everyone attacking Trump? If Trump is as impotent as Biden then none of this really matters. Under those circumstances a statement by the Stay Puff marshmallow man would be just as relevant.
The response is premised upon the idea that Trump can actually do something as POTUS. Be afraid, be very afraid. Isn't that why the 'loyal opposition' is roasting their Oscar Meyers over the community campfire?
The alternative narrative is that Biden doesn't have the power to lance a boil on his backside. So Biden's backside needs to be covered up. Give up hope, all yea who enter here.
And this is Joe Biden's watch; meaning Joe Biden bears the burden of responsibility to enforce protections already in place, marshal Federal resources to plan for unspecific but predictable threats, and set the tone of leadership for those engaged in the daily grind of protecting the country and its people. Thoughts and prayers may sound politically correct, alligator tears may fool the pubic, but, in the end, only the President has the authority to do what needs be done. And this is still Joe Biden's watch.
I agree, trump was 100% responsible for the half million covid deaths ON HIS WATCH.
I agree, trump was 100% responsible for the half million covid deaths ON HIS WATCH.
If that is the case, then you would have to agree that Biden was 100% responsible for over 800,000+ Covid deaths on his watch, WITH a vaccine. Is that really the tactic you want to agree with?
When did Biden tell Americans COVID was a hoax and no worse than a cold? When and where did Biden hold unmasked rallies where unnecessarily exposed supporters died like Trump did?
I think you missed the point. Someone above blamed Biden for the New Orleans truck attack. That is why someone else said the president is not responsible for that , and if you want to say he is then what about Trump and covid.
Was President Kennedy responsible for his own assassination? After all it happened under his watch.
ou leap from the ridiculous extreme that the PotUS can do anything and is responsible for everything to a PotUS is impotent.Jumping from one extreme to another shows you have no argument.
I'm not the one promoting the unrealistic expectation that promises matter more than results. At present, Biden holds all the power and authority to do something tangible. That means it's Biden turn to be held accountable for using words to justify his actions. (That's the original meaning of 'elections have consequences'.)
Trump is not the sitting President, yet. Trump only has words and no power. Holding Trump responsible for his words while giving Biden a pass for using or failing to use POTUS power establishes the ridiculous extreme that one POTUS can do anything and the other POTUS is impotent.
I agree, trump was 100% responsible for the half million covid deaths ON HIS WATCH.
IMO fairness dictates that holding Trump responsible for COVID deaths on his watch means that Biden should be held responsible for COVID deaths on his watch. Fair is fair, after all.
The argument that Trump allowed people to die of COVID sets the standard for holding Biden responsible for allowing people to die of COVID. The power and authority for both Trump and Biden, as POTUS, was the same. Trump didn't have more power and authority than Biden or vice versa. The distinction between the two is how each President used their power and authority as POTUS.
And that differing use of the power and authority of POTUS informs rational people that actions speak louder than words.
When did Biden tell Americans COVID was a hoax and no worse than a cold?
He didn’t, as far as I know, but why are you changing the subject? I was simply pointing out that it is folly to blame a president for 100% of everything that happens under his watch, not a tactic that I would agree with. I was asking MrFrost if he agreed with such a tactic (since he actually used the word “agree”) and I cited another example. Nothing more.
And no JR I did not miss the point but perhaps you and JBB did.
How is that any more absurd than blaming a statement attributed to Trump on Elon Musk's Close App platform? Someone named Tim Miller posted the statement. So, by normal convention, the topic of discussion should be Tim Miller's comment:
"The suspect is a US Army vet born in America carrying an ISIS flag.
In general the president (elect) should probably wait until they know what happened before deciding which group to demagogue."
By normal convention, the statement attributed to Trump (without citation) is not the topic of discussion. And Tim Miller didn't explain why claiming 'the suspect is a US Army vet born in America carrying an ISIS flag' should shift attention away from immigrants. Especially since we heard all sorts of demagoguery by Biden, Harris, and their supporters that we are a nation of immigrants.
Claiming that I blamed Biden for this murder is a pants-on-fire falsehood. I pointed out that Joe Biden is President, the terror attack happened on Joe Biden's watch, so only Joe Biden's response to the terror attack is important. Ignoring those objectively true facts is a prophylactic effort to cover for Biden potentially screwing up the situation. It's an effort to shift attention onto Trump because of a cynical expectation for Biden's words and actions.
IMO fairness dictates that holding Trump responsible for COVID deaths on his watch means that Biden should be held responsible for COVID deaths on his watch. Fair is fair, after all.
Disregard the facts and simply invent a 'they are always wrong and we are always right' fantasy.
Try reading what I wrote again.
xample of a pure partisan comment
Well done. you make up a strawman to attack as the "perfect partisan comment" in the same thread we get the usual Trump is to blame for covid deaths but Trump isn't mindless bullshit. Couldn't be more predictable.
The only true ass here is Trump. Promoting bullshit to fit his fckd up agenda, where he lies through his teeth about most words that exit his fckn lie infested constipated cranium clogging up his oral cavity and so many maga maniax minds
A large number of these illegals have turned out to be killers, rapists, traffickers of women and children, gang bangers, and everyday criminals, yet no one on the left seems to bitch and bellyache about them.
The San Bernadino and Fort Hood mass shooters were also American born citizens, as if that had any bearing on their radical Islam beliefs.
And this 'large number', is what ? What % would you say a 'large number' would represent ? Your source would be where, to back up your 'talking point' ?
1% would be too many.
His comment is irrelevant because this killer was an American born citizen. He wasn't illegal. Hell! He was honorably discharged from the Army and did at least one tour in Afghanistan.
Now before someone thinks I'm defending this POS, I just want to make clear he was not an illegal
yes, but those inconvenient FACTS, don't bode well for the Trump talking points agenda, that is just fckd up. What responsible person makes such an accusation without knowing for sure, as he is the President Elect for Christ sake, he's asleep when awake, he's the orgasm Putin didn't fake, and he wants to eat him too, like cake icing up our future road to be travelled, like a whirled wind blowing, cause as wading, he should of been Roeing, and to HELL, he can't be going, soon enuff for say , ME, so i DID
While I can most definitely agree that waiting until they know what has happened before commenting is a good idea, that hasn't stopped ALL of Washington from spouting partisan talking points when the initial information matches their partisan side. We see it all the time from both sides in Washington and here as well.
Very true. Like a few weeks ago when the girl shot up the Christian school using a hand gun and leftists came out in droves screaming for a ban on assault weapons.
You don't really expect that to happen, do you?
It seems to have crossed the border earlier than two days ago.
Vehicle Used in New Orleans Terror Attack Crossed the Border Two Days Ago. Trump Responds.
Cars Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
You’d think someone who wants to lead the country could wait for some facts before shooting his mouth off.
Nope!
There will be a certain percentage of MAGA who will believe an illegal immigrant did it no matter what the facts reveal.
Trump doesn’t need any stinkin’ facts.
Definitely the thing to be upset about.
So you support MAGA lying about this attack.
Do you support the FBI lying about it not being a terror attack? Where's your outrage over that?
I think the FBI wanted proof. MAGA is allergic to the word.
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Just stop for Christs sake. The FBI initially said it was not being investigated as a terrorist attack (to the exclusion of anything else).
A few hours later after gathering facts they said it is.
Big fucking deal.
MAGA deranged asshole liars are ruining this country.
Why doesnt Trump just keep his fucking mouth shut until the facts become clear?
A greater truth has never been spoken.
Trump voters put a loose-cannon, irresponsible moron in the most powerful office on the planet.
THe FBI lied to the public and said it wasn't a terrorist event and you obsessively attack Trump for making an incorrect inference based on a news report. Sums up the progressive mindset as well as anything.
Trump's statement is about the last thing that should be upsetting you from the last 12 hours. Some dude posting on X that women should get married draws more progressive outrage than an Islamic terrorist attack.
No, nothing of Biden is going to serve as an excuse for what we will see in the next four years from Trump. How is it that people like you can continue to make excuses for Trump? What is the motivation to run interference for this idiot?
Far right nutcases on social media are to blame for your being upset about "progressives". They cant tell the truth.
Completely bullshit reactionary propaganda. Pathetic.
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The FBI said definitively that it wasn’t a terrorist event? Can you cite to that statement?
I think you meant to say
"Trump voters kept an idiotic, word salad talking, imbecile DEI hire out of the most powerful office on the planet."
Everybody else should be thanking them.,
You are denying facts ... right in front of your face even ... and instead engaging in partisan exaggeration and flat out absurd lies. To claim Harris is an imbecile ... especially in context of Trump ... illustrates acute blind partisanship.
The dems rejected her soundly in the 2020 primaries. I guess she got better since then and they all love her now. Or at least they did since she got trounced.
My claim is correct.
Anything else is idiotic.
Indeed! Why doesn’t everybody, particularly the media and political pundits on any number of subjects? You may find the answer will be the same regardless.
Bullshit, Sean! I am more outraged about this terror attack than I am some moron spouting nonsense on the internetz! Stop acting like you know how everyone thinks!
he has esp n II
Another Trump lie. His motivation for that lie is very likely to terrorize the American people so that many will be accepting of the police state he intends to attempt to impose.
lol …. The left should know with the deep state, police state they’ve been rocking for the last 5-6 years. If it happens from this point forward, theirs will be the template to follow.
Learn to accept it
More completely bullshit reactionary propaganda.
Confirmation that some, if not most reactionaries are accepting of the police state Trump wants to impose.
Opinions do vary ….. Happy New Year to all my friends on the left.
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The right wingers amongst us are authoritarians.
So, the "left" the "deep state" and the "police state" are all the same people? Wow! Sounds like the violence prone Trump owned fascists are seriously outnumbered!
They ought to be a little nicer since they are outnumbered
Nice hyperbole ….. well, not really.
Yup, let's ignore that the attack happened on Biden's watch. So many asses to cover, so little time.
You think the sitting PotUS should be blamed for a nutcase running down people with a truck?
Do you understand that this seed is about what Trump said? Do you think what Trump said was responsible, helpful, presidential?
Are you going to deflect everything onto Biden instead of dealing with the asshole who made the statement?
The only thing I have is something posted on Elon Musk's Close App site (formerly known as Twitter). (X is a universal icon for close app.) I have no idea where the statement attributed to Trump came from, if Trump actually wrote the statement, or the context surrounding the statement. I have no idea who Tim Miller is. And we've all been admonished not to get our news from social media.
Barring the rather obvious questions concerning the source, why is the statement attributed to Trump wrong? Throwing hissy fits of self-righteous outrage over a statement attributed to Trump doesn't make the statement wrong. Whether Trump actually made the statement or not, this has been happening since the fall of Saigon. Criminals and terrorists have been infiltrating the United States and breeding here. The fucking Khmer Rouge was allowed to immigrate to the United States and become citizens. And, yes, Democrats thought that was a good idea when Bill Clinton needed votes.
Biden is the sitting President. This happened on Biden's watch. Biden worked long and hard to make US citizenship a participation award and transform the US military into an indoctrination tool for terrorists. Biden represents who we have become as a nation. And guess who wants to deflect from what Joe Biden has done to cover Joe Biden's ass.
This comment is ridiculous. All sorts of bad things happen on a President's watch. Where do you get the utterly naive notion that the PotUS controls everyone's behavior?
These maniacs are completely obsessed with Joe Biden, as is Trump . Even though the clown won the election he still attacks Biden on his social media every damn day.
Yes, all sorts of things happen on a President's watch. And this is Joe Biden's watch; meaning Joe Biden bears the burden of responsibility to enforce protections already in place, marshal Federal resources to plan for unspecific but predictable threats, and set the tone of leadership for those engaged in the daily grind of protecting the country and its people. Thoughts and prayers may sound politically correct, alligator tears may fool the pubic, but, in the end, only the President has the authority to do what needs be done. And this is still Joe Biden's watch.
An entirely unrealistic expectation that shows a complete lack of understanding of the role and powers of the PotUS.
Then why is everyone attacking Trump? If Trump is as impotent as Biden then none of this really matters. Under those circumstances a statement by the Stay Puff marshmallow man would be just as relevant.
The response is premised upon the idea that Trump can actually do something as POTUS. Be afraid, be very afraid. Isn't that why the 'loyal opposition' is roasting their Oscar Meyers over the community campfire?
The alternative narrative is that Biden doesn't have the power to lance a boil on his backside. So Biden's backside needs to be covered up. Give up hope, all yea who enter here.
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You leap from the ridiculous extreme that the PotUS can do anything and is responsible for everything to a PotUS is impotent.
Jumping from one extreme to another shows you have no argument.
I agree, trump was 100% responsible for the half million covid deaths ON HIS WATCH.
If that is the case, then you would have to agree that Biden was 100% responsible for over 800,000+ Covid deaths on his watch, WITH a vaccine. Is that really the tactic you want to agree with?
When did Biden tell Americans COVID was a hoax and no worse than a cold? When and where did Biden hold unmasked rallies where unnecessarily exposed supporters died like Trump did?
He also encouraged people to get the vaccine. trmp didn't
I think you missed the point. Someone above blamed Biden for the New Orleans truck attack. That is why someone else said the president is not responsible for that , and if you want to say he is then what about Trump and covid.
Was President Kennedy responsible for his own assassination? After all it happened under his watch.
I'm not the one promoting the unrealistic expectation that promises matter more than results. At present, Biden holds all the power and authority to do something tangible. That means it's Biden turn to be held accountable for using words to justify his actions. (That's the original meaning of 'elections have consequences'.)
Trump is not the sitting President, yet. Trump only has words and no power. Holding Trump responsible for his words while giving Biden a pass for using or failing to use POTUS power establishes the ridiculous extreme that one POTUS can do anything and the other POTUS is impotent.
IMO fairness dictates that holding Trump responsible for COVID deaths on his watch means that Biden should be held responsible for COVID deaths on his watch. Fair is fair, after all.
The argument that Trump allowed people to die of COVID sets the standard for holding Biden responsible for allowing people to die of COVID. The power and authority for both Trump and Biden, as POTUS, was the same. Trump didn't have more power and authority than Biden or vice versa. The distinction between the two is how each President used their power and authority as POTUS.
And that differing use of the power and authority of POTUS informs rational people that actions speak louder than words.
You blamed Biden for this murder. That is absurd.
He didn’t, as far as I know, but why are you changing the subject? I was simply pointing out that it is folly to blame a president for 100% of everything that happens under his watch, not a tactic that I would agree with. I was asking MrFrost if he agreed with such a tactic (since he actually used the word “agree”) and I cited another example. Nothing more.
And no JR I did not miss the point but perhaps you and JBB did.
How is that any more absurd than blaming a statement attributed to Trump on Elon Musk's Close App platform? Someone named Tim Miller posted the statement. So, by normal convention, the topic of discussion should be Tim Miller's comment:
"The suspect is a US Army vet born in America carrying an ISIS flag.
In general the president (elect) should probably wait until they know what happened before deciding which group to demagogue."
By normal convention, the statement attributed to Trump (without citation) is not the topic of discussion. And Tim Miller didn't explain why claiming 'the suspect is a US Army vet born in America carrying an ISIS flag' should shift attention away from immigrants. Especially since we heard all sorts of demagoguery by Biden, Harris, and their supporters that we are a nation of immigrants.
Claiming that I blamed Biden for this murder is a pants-on-fire falsehood. I pointed out that Joe Biden is President, the terror attack happened on Joe Biden's watch, so only Joe Biden's response to the terror attack is important. Ignoring those objectively true facts is a prophylactic effort to cover for Biden potentially screwing up the situation. It's an effort to shift attention onto Trump because of a cynical expectation for Biden's words and actions.
You blame Biden for this attack. That is ridiculous. No amount of tack-on bullshit will change that.
Then you thought wrong. Read what I wrote again at 6.1.10 and see 6.1.17.
Still love Brad Pitt's cold opening on SNL where he was playing Fauci and trashed Trump's response to COVID. It was spot-on!
Yeah it is sort of like when the left wrongly blamed Bush for the the deaths from Katrina.
That’s the rule. It’s always the republican president’s fault, never the democrats fault. That’s all the analysis involved.
Yes, people can be ridiculous regardless of party. Just like blaming Bush for the Global Financial Crisis.
Do you recognize how ridiculous it is to blame Biden for this attack?
That is a perfect example of a pure partisan comment. Disregard the facts and simply invent a 'they are always wrong and we are always right' fantasy.
No. Had trump not ignored COVID in the first place not nearly as many people would have died. Cause and effect.
Um, no.
Try reading what I wrote again.
xample of a pure partisan comment
Well done. you make up a strawman to attack as the "perfect partisan comment" in the same thread we get the usual Trump is to blame for covid deaths but Trump isn't mindless bullshit. Couldn't be more predictable.
Disregard the facts and simply invent a 'they are always wrong and we are always right' fantasy.
And then make up more bullshit to deflect.
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You mean like how ridiculous it was to blame George H. Bush for Katrina.
Are you able to answer a question without deflecting on partisan lines?
See, I had already provided a GOP-favorable note in my post to you ...
... and still you continue with the robotic 'but what about ...' crap.
The only true ass here is Trump. Promoting bullshit to fit his fckd up agenda, where he lies through his teeth about most words that exit his fckn lie infested constipated cranium clogging up his oral cavity and so many maga maniax minds
New Years eve at Maralago - the entertainment is watching videos of Trump dancing .
Trump proves the adage that ‘’whitemen can’t dance’’.
LIES
Any insurance executives among the victims? Landlords?
If there were, I guess we should prepare for the rationalizations and justifications.