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Informing Ourselves to Death: Another Explanation of Why Harris Lost

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 days ago  •  18 comments


Informing Ourselves to Death: Another Explanation of Why Harris Lost
... despite all the information at our fingertips, information we had during all of these lies, a fantasy version of reality has taken over and infected everything, like some kind of slime mold you can't scrub away. 

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Informing Ourselves to Death: Another Explanation of Why Harris Lost 






We keep getting "deep dives" into why Kamala Harris lost and Donald Trump won. They can be big   reasons , like racism and sexism, or the ability of Trump's campaign to exploit the anti-incumbent  zeitgeist   through bro podcasts and transphobia, or Harris and the Democrats   courting   anti-Trump Republicans while taking other Democratic voters for granted. 


But I will always blame voters more than I will blame campaigns because, ultimately, each individual American had to decide whether to vote and who to vote for. I'm a fan of simple explanations, and the simplest explanation, by far, is that the majority of Americans of voting age are stupid. I mean that in a few ways. If you stayed home and didn't vote because you don't care about any of this, you're stupid. If you didn't vote because you hated both candidates, you're stupid. People on the left who didn't vote or voted third-party because of specific issues? Stupid. If that includes you, then I mean you. Letting Donald Trump back into office is the stupidest thing this country has done since at least the Vietnam War. (Yes, it is stupider than electing him the first time.)


By far, though, and it's no contest, the absolutely stupidest voters were the ones who voted for Trump. Let me qualify that: if you voted for Trump, you're stupid or evil or some unholy combination of both, in which case you've probably been tapped to be in Trump's administration. I've gone on at length before about my   contempt   for Trump voters and my refusal to try to "understand" them. (As I've said, I won't treat them like children. I'll treat them like adults who made an adult decision that's objectively wrong and respond accordingly.)


Here's the thing that gets me about all this stupidity (and, believe me, I know people have been stupid forever). We exist in a time when the amount of information available to us at any moment is beyond comprehension. If you want a government report, you don't have to order it and wait for it to be delivered. If you want to read legitimate scientific and medical research, it's a few clicks away. It's all there. All the real information you could ever want. I don't expect everyone to want to access it. I don't expect everyone to have the time to look everything up. The point is that more facts are out there than ever before, as well as everything that proves those facts.


When pundits and politicians (primarily Democrats) talk about The Way Things Used to Be when it came to governing the country, one of the things they mean is that we used to have a relatively stable group of agreed upon facts on an issue. Politicians of both parties would look at crime statistics, for example, like those provided by   the FBI , and then they'd argue about what to do as a result of those statistics. Democrats might argue for gun control and poverty programs. Republicans might argue for more guns and more cops and more incarceration. You had a group of facts interpreted through different ideological lenses. 


And, for the most part, that's how it worked on most issues: taxes, spending, foreign policy. Sure, there was hyperbole and posturing and accusations about how one side wanted to let criminals run free or the other side doesn't care about children being killed. There was manipulation of facts, sometimes egregiously (as in the Willie   Horton   ad in the 1988 election). But, again, a great majority of this had some basis in reality. Even if it was stretching the truth, it was still founded in some truth. (Yes, there are many, many exceptions you can come up with throughout our history, especially those based in racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and more.)


Somewhere in the 1990s, reality began to wither with the rise of the internet. Believe it or not, children, there was a huge conspiracy then about the   supposed   "Clinton Body Count," where millions of people believed that the then-President and First Lady, Bill and Hillary Clinton, were personally responsible for murdering or having murdered dozens of people. That one never went away. I heard people talking about in 2016 as if it were real. Then came the 9/11 truthers. And then came the lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and then we went to war based on that. That should have led to a rededication to reality. Of course, then social media kicked into high gear, and, well, that was it. 


So, despite all the information at our fingertips, information we had during all of these lies, a fantasy version of reality has taken over and infected everything, like some kind of slime mold you can't scrub away. 



We've seen definite signs of the abject stupidity of the American voter in 2024 in so many ways. There are the states where voters put abortion rights in their constitutions but voted for senators who want a national ban. The fact (and it is a fact) that searches for "Did Biden drop out?"   spiked   on Google on Election Day, as well as   searches   for "tariffs" and "who pays for tariffs?", may seem like small data points, but it points to a larger issue with deliberate ignorance. Apathy is one thing, as in "I don't care about politics," but that's not an excuse to be totally disengaged. I don't give a damn about football, but I know the Giants and the Jets suck because I pay attention to the world around me. 

It's even worse when it comes to the things people believe that simply are untrue. For instance, a Gallup poll   released   this week showed that a majority of voters don't know what they're talking about. They were asked if "you believe the United States has made progress, stood still or lost ground in each during the last four years, since Joe Biden became president" on a variety of issues. A majority said we've "lost ground" on immigration (64%), the economy (59%), and crime (51%), among others. And that's simply objectively untrue. Immigration is under greater control than it's been in years, so much so that there isn't much for Trump to do at the southern border. The economy is doing great and crime rates are at historic lows. 

I get that we face a flood of disinformation, and that the right-wing, especially the MAGA-in-chief, is responsible for it. Just about every word out of Trump's mouth hole   during   the campaign was a lie, and he continues to lie. And he'll change his tune the second that he's inaugurated and declare that he alone is responsible for every good thing that he's inheriting as he comes into office. Of course, the slavering hordes of idiots who hang on his every word believe him over anything their eyes or ears might tell them. 

It's useless to get into the whole idea of how we used to gather 'round the TV and watch Walter Cronkite tell us what's what. It's useless to bemoan the end of newspapers and local media. It's useless to say that CNN used to actually care about that middle N, the one for "news," way more than it does now. It's useless to point out that getting your news from Facebook or Twitter is damaging what we used to think of as information. Every Pandora's Box around has been flung open and Hope had been beaten to death by the Evils in there.

But what I guess I'm getting at here is that while our access to information has blown up to an unwieldy size, so too, has our capacity for accepting facts and ideas that don't comport with what we desire to believe. And, again, I know that's not a new phenomenon, but, as I said last time, it's within the context of being able to challenge our orthodoxies. And that's disheartening. 

To put it simply, we who do profess to care about politics and elections are consuming more information than ever. But we do it with such prejudice that anything that doesn't confirm a belief we already hold is dismissed out of hand. So, for example, it should have been an easy task to disabuse people of the notion that trans people are taking over schools or whatever nonsense the right was propagating. There are only 5 trans girls   competing   as girls in sports in K-12 public schools. And there are   fewer   than 10 trans athletes in all of college sports. Every uproar on this issue is over a group of students so small that it is statistically zero. And the number of students taking puberty blockers is also so much   smaller   in proportion to the outrage being expended on the issue. It was a failure of Democrats to not make this their top talking point on trans kids. But it was a failure of anyone getting enraged by the idea that their little cis girl was in imminent "danger" of playing soccer against a trans girl. 

Instead, what the right   especially  is good at is flooding people with sources of information that all affirm each other, from Fox "news" and its devolved descendants to podcasts from verminous exploiters like Steve Bannon and Ben Shapiro to other kinds of media, social or otherwise, so that people have the illusion of being informed because of this daisy chain of affirmation. You only need a couple of percent of people who aren't true believers to think that one lie or another is real and you've won an election.

We're moving into a government that is going to control the information it allows to be disseminated from the government. If one of the tenets of Trumpism is the need to deny that Trump lost the 2020 election, then any studies or research that could reflect badly on Trump will be, at best, suppressed, if not outright discarded, with the void filled with lies. This could be worse than the first Trump administration because at least there were career federal workers who would counter things like injecting bleach. If those workers are purged for loyalists, it's gonna be required that we all bleach our veins because dear leader said it works. 

The entire operation of our federal system will be wholly based on lies and disinformation. We don't need Greenland, but you can bet we'll be hearing how the absolute most important thing we can do is take it if we can't buy it. The same with the Panama Canal. (The Canada thing just seems like a joke to piss off Trudeau, but who knows?) And a great deal of effort will be expended to not just do things based on lies, but to actually try to shift reality into the way that Trump and his MAGA freaks want it to be. 

And the most aggravating thing about this is that, when asked about it, most voters do seem to have some concept of what's real. For example, a  Wall Street Journal   poll showed that 75% of people only want undocumented migrants with criminal records deported, with 70% want to "protect longtime residents from removal if they don’t have criminal records." I'd say to a whole lot of people in that poll that that's not what you voted for. You voted for the opposite. And it would have been ridiculously easy to find that out. 

So the point to all this is that the information is there. It used to not be there. But it's all there. You can know what’s real and what’s not. You choose not to. That’s what makes you stupid. And that’s what makes you even stupider for electing Donald Trump. 

That's my thesis for understanding 2024: the voters "informed" themselves to death, meaning they embraced false information and pretended it was real and didn't care when it was pointed out that they were objectively wrong. For whatever reason, racism or transphobia or misogyny or whatever, facts went out the window, and, frankly, you're just stupid if your prejudice matters more than the truth. Stupidity won, so we get stupidity personified running the joint. 



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 days ago
the point to all this is that the information is there. It used to not be there. But it's all there. You can know what’s real and what’s not. You choose not to. That’s what makes you stupid. And that’s what makes you even stupider for electing Donald Trump.  That's my thesis for understanding 2024: the voters "informed" themselves to death, meaning they embraced false information and pretended it was real and didn't care when it was pointed out that they were objectively wrong. For whatever reason, racism or transphobia or misogyny or whatever, facts went out the window,
 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 days ago
To put it simply, we who do profess to care about politics and elections are consuming more information than ever. But we do it with such prejudice that anything that doesn't confirm a belief we already hold is dismissed out of hand.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
2  Robert in Ohio    2 days ago

Did the fact that the Harris campaign was horribly mismanaged and misfocused play ant part at all in her losing the election to President Trump?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    2 days ago

You can stop making excuses for Trump now, he's in. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 days ago

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John

Your tactics of not answering questions that conflict with your narrow point of view are becoming totally transparent - as you avoid questions, deflect away from the point brought up and generally refuse discuss but rather pontificate your view over and over.

You can stop making excuses for Trump now, he's in. 

I made no excuses (you totally made that up) - but Trump needs no excuses because he beat VP Harris soundly

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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2.1.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.1    2 days ago
he beat VP Harris soundly

Some might say , " by and order of magnitude ."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.1    2 days ago

The seeded article is not a survey of why people think Harris lost. It is an opinion piece about misinformation from the right that effected the election.   

Do we have to post a detailed list of all the misinformation spewed by Trump and the right for the past 10 years ? 

Probably wouldnt do any good anyway. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 days ago

The seeded article is not a survey of why people think Harris lost

Actually, I think the article provides an excellent example of the type of elitist, self righteous zealousness  that the public rebelled against.  This is the thinking of a fanatic:  " if you voted for Trump, you're stupid or evil or some unholy combination of both"

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    yesterday

With all that information out there, some may be true and some may be false. Collectively, the average American citizen is capable of discerning which is which. To suggest that some ~77 million voters are somehow misinformed, stupid, or evil, is beyond idiotic.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.6  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.5    yesterday
To suggest that some ~77 million voters are somehow misinformed, stupid, or evil, is beyond idiotic.

But they will continue to say it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    2 days ago

Occam's razor 

She and many dem policies were rejected soundly because they suck.

The end

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    2 days ago
Did the fact that the Harris campaign was horribly mismanaged and misfocused play ant part at all in her losing the election to President Trump?

Kindly do not cloud the issue with facts.  Especially when they're blatantly obvious.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @2.3    2 days ago

The seeded article is not a survey of why people think Harris lost. It is an opinion piece about misinformation from the right that effected the election.   

Do we have to post a detailed list of all the misinformation spewed by Trump and the right for the past 10 years ? 

Probably wouldnt do any good anyway. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
2.3.2  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    2 days ago

John

Of course you do not need to post "the list" again and again - we have all seen it

What you need to do is answer a question or respond to a point made to you rather than simply deflecting and avoiding answering by straying into another direction and repeating that which has been said so often.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.3.2    2 days ago

You responded to an article about the misinformation plaguing our society , from the right, with a criticism of Kamala Harris. 

Did the fact that the Harris campaign was horribly mismanaged and misfocused play ant part at all in her losing the election to President Trump?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    yesterday

At any rate the worst president of all time flew away and can't damage or destroy our country to any further extent.

It's morning in America and happy days are here again.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.3.5  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    yesterday
You responded to an article about the misinformation plaguing our society , from the right, with a criticism of Kamala Harris. 
Did the fact that the Harris campaign was horribly mismanaged and misfocused play ant part at all in her losing the election to President Trump?

Well John you understand the question obviously - but yet you still run away from it and refuse to answer it 

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Gazoo
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3  Gazoo    yesterday

We exist in a time when the amount of information available to us at any moment is beyond comprehension.”

And some still have no clue as to why harris lost. I guess it’s easier to just call the other side stupid.

 
 

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