Trump says he spoke with Putin about ending war in Ukraine - ABC News
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Trump says they agreed to have their teams "start negotiations immediately."
ByAlexandra Hutzler and Anastasia BagaevaFebruary 12, 2025, 5:21 PM
President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending the war in Ukraine, which started three years ago when Putin's forces launched a full-scale invasion.
Trump also spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy after his call with Putin.
The conversations occurred as U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth offered the fullest view yet of the administration's approach to the conflict, one Trump had claimed during the campaign he could end on the first day of his new administration.
Hegseth told foreign leaders and allies during a Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting that a return to Ukraine's pre-war borders is an "unrealistic objective" in peace talks, as was NATO membership for Ukraine.
"Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering," Hegseth said.
MORE: Full Ukrainian liberation from Russia 'unrealistic,' Hegseth tells allies
Zelenskyy has long demanded full territorial liberation and earlier this week signaled a willingness to swap territory with Russia, giving up land Kyiv has held in Russia's Kursk region -- a suggestion Russia resoundingly rejected.
Trump echoed some of Hegseth's comments as he spoke to reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday afternoon, saying it seems "unlikely" Ukraine would see its borders return to pre-2014 (when Russia annexed Crimea) though he believed "some of it would come back."
Asked whether he would support Zelenskyy ceding territory or exchanging territory in any agreement to end the war, Trump responded, "Well he's going to have to do what he has to do but, you know, his poll numbers aren't particularly great, to put it mildly."
On whether he viewed Ukraine as an equal member of the peace process, Trump paused before responding: "It's an interesting question. I think they have to make peace. Their people are being killed, and I think they have to make peace."
He then appeared to blame Ukraine for the conflict despite Russia's aggression. "I said that was not a good war to go into. And I think they have to make peace," he continued.
President Donald J. Trump, Feb. 11, 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Feb. 10, 2025 and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Feb. 7, 2025.AP/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
While Hegseth ruled out NATO membership, Hegseth said the U.S. recognized Ukraine must receive "robust security guarantees." He proposed a non-NATO mission of European and non-European peacekeepers could be deployed to Ukraine but with no U.S. boots on the ground.
Trump called his conversation with Putin, which the Kremlin said lasted for an hour and a half, a "highly productive" one.
On Ukraine, Trump said he and Putin "agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other's Nations" and "to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately."
"President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, 'COMMON SENSE.' We both believe very strongly in it," Trump said.
According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Trump "spoke in favor of an early end to hostilities and a peaceful solution to the problem. President Putin, for his part, mentioned the need to eliminate the root causes of the conflict and agreed with Trump that a long-term settlement can be achieved through peaceful negotiations."
MORE: Ukraine, Russia position for peace talks ahead of pivotal White House visits
Trump called Zelenskyy after his discussion with Putin, with their call lasting for about an hour, Zelenskyy's spokesperson told ABC News.
"He, like President Putin, wants to make PEACE," Trump posted afterward. "We discussed a variety of topics having to do with the War, but mostly, the meeting that is being set up on Friday in Munich, where Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will lead the Delegation."
Former President and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, Oct. 15, 2024, and Russia's President Vladimir Putin, Oct. 24, 2024.AFP via Getty Images
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt was asked during Wednesday's briefing if Trump expected Ukraine to cede all the territory in question to Russia.
"Again, these negotiations are ongoing," she said. "I will allow the president to divulge any red lines that he may set."
When asked if Hegseth's comments were taking some of Ukraine's sovereign integrity off the table in negotiations, Trump said: "No, I haven't done that. I'm backing Ukraine. I'm backing Ukraine."
The developments come after Trump, during the ABC News presidential debate in September, notably refused to say whether he believed Ukraine should win the war against Russia.
"I want the war to stop," Trump had said.
Former Vice President Kamala Harris, who like former President Joe Biden pledged to support Ukraine and cast the conflict as a fight for democracy and independence, had pushed back on his answer.
"I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up," she said during the debate. "And that's not who we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here."
ABC News' Ellie Kaufman and Oleksii Pshemyskiy contributed to this report.
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TODAY, Trump appeared to be calling for a partial or full capitulation by Ukraine, as many of us predicted he would.
What's the alternative? The US can't continue to support this hopeless situation. Or would like to see this stalemate continue for a few more years. If the European nations don't come to their aid, why should we?
The alternative is for Trump to make good on his bullshit. He claims the war would have never happened if he were PotUS. So if he has that kind of magical power then let's see him end it.
Putin invaded Ukraine. The proper end is for Putin to go home and leave Ukraine alone.
Let's see some actual positive actions from Trump to justify the endless braggadocios bullshit from the guy you voted for.
Even if that involves Ukraine capitulating and agreeing to a settlement
It's doubtful that Putin will ever give up and go home.
I agree. He needs to be forced out. That is best accomplished by NATO taking the initiative and helping Ukraine overcome Putin with the help of the USA. It is in everyone's best interest to stop nations like Russia from invading and conquering their neighbors. Especially for the nations near Russia.
But Trump is not smart enough to make something like that happen. So from the day he claimed he could stop the war with a phone call, my expectation is that his approach is to make Ukraine capitulate. That is real easy to do ... and Trump does not give a shit about long-term consequences, principles, etc.
Russian expansion and aggression is the alternative. Who wants that? It's not in our country's best interests. Maybe to Trump, but not us.
Because the Ukraine is an ally, Russia isn't.
I figured he would. He certainly doesn't seem to consider them as equal partners in the peace process
This 78 year old geezer is clinically senile. Look at this handwriting. Does he even know how to spell his name? It’s just a bunch of shaky up and down jiggles with no break between names.
His signature is definitely deteriorating...
LOL. You guys are desperate.
These are examples of Trump's signature from his last term. Anyone who has observed aging can see the deterioration...
Again…….you guys are desperate. You said for months that Biden was sharp as a tack. How did that work out for you?
I do not believe anyone here stated Biden was sharp as a tack or equivalent. What was said was more along the lines of refuting your exaggerated claims that he was senile, brain-dead, etc.
Therein lies the problem.
You don't know.
Prove that someone stated that Biden was 'sharp as a tack'. You made the claim, back it up.
I was referring to someone here ... which was the claim.
No one is going to go through other people's comments when everyone here knows the claim is correct. It happened several times, mostly by two members, one whom consistently claimed Biden was going to win by 10 million votes until right before he got dumped and then made the same claim about Harris.
That shows how out of touch your side is/was.
A claim that Biden was going to win is not in any way shape or form a claim that Biden is sharp as a tack.
More bullshit from.
True, because I never claimed that.
"More bullshit from."
More bullshit from who, TiG?
He literally forgot why he was in the oval office.... He was there to swear in Gabberd, but walked out the door... He's insane or incredibly stupid.
After the lefts defense of Biden for five years, I have no words for that comment.
Amazing ….
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What is even more telling is they still won't admit that he is unfit, all you will get is a deflection to trump.
Why are you talking about Biden? Trump is the PotUS. Trump is the guy who wants to own Gaza, rebuild it, and turn it into a Riviera of the Middle East.
The insane ideas are coming from Trump and he is in a position to do great damage.
Trump is the least masculine president ever, he wears makeup, high heels and girdle... Maybe he is transitioning.
Either way, even if it takes Trump a month that is still far quicker than Joe Biden could not or would not ever accomplish in three years before he left office.
Biden refused to even speak to Putin, how did that senile old fool expect to end the war when he was too stupid to even speak with one of the party’s?
TBF, it's not like he could have held much of a conversation.
True.
Wow, you are really pro russia aren't ya?
Let's see this happen without throwing Ukraine under the bus.
Let's see some real good, Trump.
I think he came very close to suggesting today that Ukraine will be thrown under the bus.
Meeting with Putin and not Zelensky is not a good sign that Trump will fairly deal with Ukraine.
Or quite possibly to scope out Putin and take that information TO Zelensky to clarify where his nemesis stands
Anything is possible. I hope your hypothesis is correct.
Here is my hypothesis:
Trump does not give a shit about the people of Ukraine and the suffering they have endured unnecessarily by Putin. Trump cares about one thing: taking credit for ending the war. He will do whatever works to give him those bragging rights.
Why do I think that? Just paying attention to how this narcissist operates and has operated for decades. Trump is an ego-maniac and a con-man. He is also, arguably, a sociopath. It is foolish to interpret actions by Trump as being driven to do good for others; far more rational to expect him to act in a way that best serves him personally.
Trump will always give in to Putin, it's no mystery what will happen here. Rightwing fascism wins under Trump so I wouldn't be surprised to see Putin demand half of Ukraine and then after Ukraine gives in because their ally the United States switched sides and are now essentially supporting a vile murderous fascist Dictator who is without a doubt guilty of genocide. Vladimir Putin’s Ukrainian Genocide: Nobody can claim they did not know - Atlantic Council
But hey, Trump and his room temp IQ MAGAites get suck up to a "strong man" because if there's one thing Trump sycophants love almost more than gargling Trumps ball sweat, it's tonguing Putin's dirty balloon knot. But what can you expect from the lowest common denominator in our nation.
It's becoming apparent that Ukraine cannot prevail long term in this conflict. Do you think they can "win" if the US keeps supplying them funds and weapons. How is that throwing them under the bus?
Continuing to support their effort clearly is not throwing them under the bus.
Taking actions that cause them to cede land, etc. is throwing them under the bus.
In case you forgot, Ukraine is not the aggressor here. Putin invaded them in 2014 and then again in 2022 and both were unprovoked and a pure grab of land and resources.
How much support, and for how long?
That is the wrong question. It is more of a strategy. Either the local neighbors in Europe are serious about preventing Russia, et. al. from conquering weaker nations or they are not. If they are serious, then this would be a great time to rally together and force Putin back.
The US should make this crystal clear and support them if they act commensurately. If not, they are letting Putin win and thus encouraging this kind of crap. If they are not willing to step up to the plate, then that pretty much ends it.
Clearly there is no magic from Trump. The only thing he will do is force Ukraine to capitulate because he does not care about long-term consequences (or, really, anything).
If he does, it's not like some will be able to bring themselves to even acknowledge that he did as their sheer unmitigated and almost rabid hatred of the man absolutely precludes that possibility from happening.
Going to the extreme is never good.
I have already stated that I will give Trump credit where credit is due. I just yesterday listed a number of items where I give him credit. And I have done this before.
The problem, Ed, which you seem to not see, is that Trump continues to do bad and wrong things and thus gains constant criticism. You likely think the constant appropriate criticism means that critics will never treat him fairly. If someone does 90% wrong/stupid acts and 10% good acts, one should expect 90% negative criticism and 10% positive criticism.
When you have the PotUS declaring that he is going to take Gaza and turn it into the Riviera of the Middle East, that should be enough for you to understand why he is constantly criticized. And if that is not enough, consider the fact that Trump has gratuitously imposed tariffs and started a trade war. The guy who was largely elected to get consumer prices down is taking perfect steps to raise prices and interest rates.
You should expect substantial negative criticism of Trump. You should be among the critics IMO.
I never said I approved of everything he has said or done since assuming office and I don't. I am on record as saying his ideas for Gaza and Greenland are very bad ideas and I am against them. I am also against his tariff ideas. My comments above are based on what I have seen other members here saying. Those are the ones who will never give Trump anything but constant hateful criticisms no matter what he does. My comments were in no way meant to include you. Again, as I have also said I am willing to give benefit of doubt in the beginning on most other things and see what happens.
Those are many of the things his critics find fault with. If you're saying you're against those things, then why would you continue to defend such blatant incompetence? Or is it that you've simply decided to accept the bad with what you consider the "good" aka destroying modern American government that was created to protect all Americans to be remade into the rightwing religious conservatives' fantasy government that only protects rightwing religious conservatives' interests?
It seems you want me to tell you exactly what you want to hear that conforms to your specific beliefs. If that is the case, I'm sorry I do not play that game. I am just as entitled to my beliefs and opinions as you are to yours whether we agree or not. You have a good evening.
That's not what I'm looking for at all. I would like to hear a reasoned rational response from someone as to why they might support Trump and his agenda while also not agreeing with perhaps the majority of the things he's done so far. To be frank, I don't hear many (or any till yourself) Trump supporters willing to criticize him for anything, so it was refreshing to hear that perhaps there was some dissent among the ranks as to what Trump is doing. It has seemed so far to be one undulating amorphic mass of goose-stepping Trump soldiers without a whisper of criticism for Trump so when someone on the other side stands as an individual for their own beliefs it's noticed.
Do you really not notice the reverse of this phenomenon, as well?
I criticized Biden many times, he was too old and frail and was just a figure head for at least the last two years. I called him a gas station ham sandwich which isn't flattering by any means. But even as a gas station ham sandwich with Alzheimer's he was leaps and bounds more appealing than the gross rancid rapist shit sandwich that is Donald Trump.
I guess what I'm ultimately wondering is how anyone can get past the facts about Donald Trump to be able to say "I support this man and will vote him into the highest office into the land even though I know the facts about him".
We all know he is a convicted felon, we all know he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep porn stars quiet during his first campaign for President then hid those payments. We all also know he has cheated of every one of his three wives, and he said of his friend Jefferey Epstein "I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy." "He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side”. He said on air “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her”. He's been accused by two dozen women of sexual assault. He's been accused by two women, one before he was running for President, of rape. We also know it's likely he broke the law in retaining top secret documents at his home in unsecured locations. And on top of all that to any objective listener it was clear that Trump was asking Zalinski for dirt on Biden in exchange for military assistance of which he was impeached by the congress. After all that (and more because his crimes and general unfitness is far too long to list here) how does someone who I can only assume is or once was a Navy Doctor conclude that Donald Trump is the right man to run our nation?
And continue to defend him ... no matter what. This is cultish.
Or that he is even remotely fit to hold the office.
Fair enough. But surely you recognize that there are many liberal/progressives/left-leaners/Democrats who defend anything their tribe does, no matter how ridiculous.
It certainly happens among Trump supporters, too. So let's agree that brainless devotion afflicts both sets of zealots who use politics as their religion.
I'm stealing that phrase.
Well I voted for the gay libertarian. Seemed like the least objectionable option, by far.
And while I will always call it the Gulf of Mexico and wish dearly that annexing Greenland was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard, I don't really object to cutting spending with a machete, having transgender kids play with the boys, or trying to stop people from entering the country illegally.
Yes, Trump is a complete asshole. That doesn't mean everything his team does is bad.
Indeed. And I fully agree that we should evaluate Trump on his action (that includes rhetoric).
I have never claimed to be a Navy doctor. I was in fact a US Navy FMF Hospital Corpsman, which are roughly analagous to Army field combat medics. Corpsmen are known as "Doc" to the Marines they are assigned to and care for. It is a honorific that is earned and not given. Do yourself a favor and google Navy FMF Hospital Corpsmen. You might find it enlightening.
Exactly Doc but one can’t expect the uninitiated to understand.
The people who matter, get it. Those who don’t get it here, will likely remain unapologetic in their ignorance.
SOSDD
I have done that already. I don't need to keep evaluating, any more than I need to keep testing whether or not water is wet.
I've left no ambiguity concerning my opinion about Trump.
I would not have chosen a world where he is my president, but that's the world I live in.
So I evaluate the actions of his government. I agree with some of those, and disagree with others, like any rational adult would.
I refuse to take the partisan moron path, where I evaluate every action with the sole goal of finding a way to rationalize either support or objection, depending on by predetermined bias.
Logical and unbiased.
How refreshing.
Of course it still may get you accusations of supporting trump
Of course you do. Trump continues to take actions. Are you NOT going to evaluate his actions?
What if he can resolve the Ukraine war in a fair manner? Will you ignore that?
What if his trade wars continue and inflation is recharged? Will you ignore that?
So you do not consider the actions of the head of the government??
I did not ask you to. Seems like you blindly label criticism of Trump as necessarily partisan reinforcement of bias. Deeming all criticism of Trump as partisan bias is a rather ridiculous exaggeration. Was all criticism of Biden a partisan reinforcement of bias?
When a criticism is made and backed by an argument, do you just dismiss the argument and blindly declare partisan bias?
When a criticism is made of Trump do you presume the critic is a D? When criticism was made of Biden did you presume the critic was an R?
Your translating all criticism of a PotUS as partisan reinforcement of bias does not comport with reality; it is itself ridiculous.
I assure you, I don't. The likelihood of my assessment of Trump changing is represented by a trivial probability. It's not like if I evaluate him enough times I'm going to stop thinking he's a shithead. We can close the book on that. It's decided.
I just said....
Seriously. I'm not sure what about this is difficult.
Only in so much as they result in actions of the government.
I did not suggest that you did.
Only because you're not paying attention or you are attempting to intentionally misrepresent my views. The former would be less egregious, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
Good thing I'm not doing that. Seriously.... read more carefully.
You've gone off on a wild-eyed argument against something I never said or implied. The only ridiculous thing is your continuing presumption that people intend things they have never said because you refuse to read their comments carefully or objectively.
Jack, we are talking about assessing Trump's actions, not Trump himself. My assessment of Trump is unlikely to change too. I assess what he does. I use my understanding of who he is to help explain why he takes certain acts.
I am ignoring the rest of your post since it is crap.
That's not what you said, and you don't get to define what I'm talking about.
Exclusively through the lens of finding various rationalizations to declare whatever he does terrible.
Or, more accurately, because it shows your errors.
Nothing but dishonesty and BULLSHIT from you.
You wrote that you evaluate government actions and not Trump. So when Trump takes an action such as his gratuitous, damaging tariffs or declares that the USA will take Gaza and turn it into a Riviera of the Middle East, you do not opine on Trump's decision but rather opine on what 'his government' is doing.
Is that your way of avoiding being critical of Trump ... you will not criticize his actions ... you will generalize your criticism to 'his government'?
Looks like a feeble way to operate. If Trump makes a bad decision, why not stand tall and criticize the guy who made the decision on the merits of the decision ... the head of government?
I did and you're right, that was interesting to learn about everything they could be doing from dental care to emergency medical care and minor surgery. That pretty much makes them "Doc's" in every sense of the word. With that said, none of that addresses my questions and I can't help but feel like the nitpicking about the difference between being a Navy Doctor and a Navy Hospital Corpsmen who goes by "Doc" was just a way to avoid answering.
Again, I did answer your questions but it was not what you wanted to hear in the way you wanted to hear. Have a good evening. I am done.
You only revert to insults when you know you've lost an argument, and the more aggressive they are the more acute the loss.
Try again. Read more carefully.
I'm not sure how this is difficult. Executive orders are necessarily actions of his government. Him running his mouth with random stupidity is not. Laying off employees is an action of his government. Him sleeping with a porn star is not. Bills he signs into law are actions of his government. Him suggesting you swallow disinfectant is not.
I care about what he does, because it might impact my life. I do not care what he says, because it almost surely will not.
I realize you cannot operate this way. We've had this discussion several times.
It is my way of refusing to continue to beat a dead horse. Not a concept I expect you will understand.
I'm sure you're telling yourself that as you wind yourself into a knot every time Trump approaches a microphone.
That is pure projection on your part. Looking at yourself in a mirror while typing?
Your comments have grown absurd. Replete with dishonesty: fiction and exaggeration. It is much easier to make a rebuttal if you get to invent your interlocutor's implied comment. It is substantially more difficult to honestly engage in debate.
WTF are you talking about now? I asked about you criticizing Trump for his actions. Actions of government. I made no mention of Trump's acts outside of government.
Well good. So when he unnecessarily starts a trade war, you will criticize his decision, right? When he tries to declare that jus soli is not a constitutional right, you will criticize his decision, right? But when he embarrasses the nation with his brain-dead stupid notion of taking Gaza, rebuilding it, deporting its people, and building a Riviera of the Middle East you do not care. It does not affect you personally and who cares that the face and voice of our nation makes us look stupid and arrogant? No problem that he uses Imperialist rhetoric regarding Panama, Greenland, Gaza?
You should care about what he says because for a world leader rhetoric often triggers action. Trump's rhetoric such as with his irresponsible and unnecessary public threats and trolling of our trade partners cause them to take action that would make them less dependent on the USA. Trump's rhetoric further diminishes the credibility of our nation on the world stage. What a PotUS says, matters!
It is ok, TiG.
Some people like fascism and its inevitable reduction in status and power...
Suuuuure. OK.
The difference between an individual and a government.
You specifically said "rhetoric", which seems to indicate you struggle to differentiate between words and actions.
Have done. You were there.
You seem to have a very naive view regarding how the rest of the world sees Americans. Our reputation for stupidity and arrogance predates Trump by many decades. American tourists abroad have done that for us.
Would prefer he didn't, but not bothered by it. You pretend that won't be overtaken by something else within a few days. I choose not to involve myself in a constant cycle of tattling on Donald like some 5 year old fighting with my older brother from the back seat on a long car ride.
I don't. It's a recipe for poor mental health.
It won't. People don't trigger action on the words of somebody who uses them as carelessly as Trump.
People don't make $100billion trade decisions based on the words of a temporary employee who talks shit all the time.
Why are you off on that tangent? I made no mention of actions by Trump the individual (i.e. outside of his role as PotUS).
Sorry, did not mean to confuse you by using 'rhetoric'. Just substitute 'words' when you see it and read again.
You seem unable to recognize that this can be made worse.
Not talking about the attention span of the American people. I am talking about the kind of idiotic rhetoric (or ... sorry ... words) that Trump engages in. Nothing good comes from a loose-cannon buffoon who has the power of the US presidency threatening other nations.
Apathy is one of the reasons we are stuck with Trump as PotUS. You should care.
Now that is actually an example of naivety.
You must be making some form of a joke. This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Equating Trump with some mere temp is absurd. Leaping to $100 billion trade decisions is you leaping to extremes again. I stated, and have stated this to you many times now, that rhetoric from Trump will naturally cause trade partners to start looking for alternatives and preparing contingency plans. Why? Because Trump can act on his words with a stroke of a pen, and he has demonstrated that he will engage in irresponsible acts. Looking for alternatives and preparing contingency plans is a far cry from executing a $100 billion trade deal ... your latest ridiculous exaggeration.
The nihilistic libertarian viewpoint.
Nah, it’s a factualist reality viewpoint.
I'm not. It's a fundamental point of disagreement you don't seem to want to acknowledge.
You still can't differentiate between words and actions.
You seem unable to recognize that you didn't care about it one iota before Trump.
Do you really think he won't say something outrageous within the next 7 days that makes people forget about what he's said in the last 7 days?
Why? Because it validates your emotions? Trump's presidency is something I cannot change and that doesn't change my life in any significant way. I have no interest in joining this religion where the faithful are measured by the degree of their futile opposition to the Great Orange Demon.
It absolutely does. Although I'm sure you'll pretend otherwise.
Four years is nothing when you hold power for decades. You don't think leaders of China or Russia or other countries that aren't free don't consider the temporary nature of any president? You don't think they know that if they don't want to deal with one US president they can simply wait for the next one?
Maybe do the actual math before you declare something extreme. Trade deals between nations are easily worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
You have said this. You even claimed it mattered.
Please cite where I have ever suggested otherwise.
Have you noticed how we've returned to the place where you pretend people have said things they haven't simply so you can have something to refute.
This alone shows that you are just trying to be obnoxious.
Get serious, post something thoughtful.
It’s called diplomacy. It’s good thing.
It's called capitulation, plain and simple. There are no negotiations going on here[✘]
Yeah man, let’s send troops. You sending your kids? Or maybe you’ll volunteer. What do you say? Over there, over there …..
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Yes, I'd send my kids to defend our allies as my grandfather did in WWII. I'm a bit too old now for them to take me but I'd willing go myself if I were drafted in my mid 50's. What I find amusing is that, apparently, many of those macho MAGAites who claim to be willing to stand up and defend democracy and American allies are really just a bunch of weak pussies full of nothing but cheap talk, and when the rubber meets to road, they fold like an aluminum foil chair and waste no time to kneel and grovel for mercy in front of the authoritarian dictator who attacked democracy and our ally. All we're basically hearing so far from Trumps band of morons is "Oh pweese Mr. Putin, don't hurt us anymore and pweese stop attacking our friends. We'll give you whatever you want if you just stop attacking because you're so strong, so powerful, who can ever defeat such a big and powerful man like you oh great and powerful leader?"...'sucking noises commence'.
That's the alternative. If Ukraine wants its 2014 borders (funny that Democrats were too busy kowtowing to Russia at that point to care about Ukraine) than NATO troops are the only option. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower for that.
Why wouldn't I be? I'm not the one eating out Putin's ass as I'm witnessing many Trump supporters do. I'm almost embarrassed for them, but then I remember what kind of useless morons they are and realize that if it wasn't Putin or Trump's ass they were eating it would be some other authoritarian ass because that's what rightwing religious conservatives crave.
Constant sexualization of Trump and Putin speaks to some issues.
Trump ties his planned surrender by Ukraine to Zelensky's poll numbers. He is a sick man.
What is a realistic way for Ukraine to win the war (throw Russia out of all Ukrainian territory) without NATO joining?
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Yeah our keyboard warriors are all in on WW-3.
Badasses, absolute badasses.
It's the best metaphor to describe the abject groveling obeisance Trumps sycophant's display for their dear leader which is the same abject groveling obeisance Trump shows towards his hero Putin. Just one disgusting human centipede of ass kissing. I can forgive the MAGAites of a lot of things, but bowing to Putin is not one of them as no Patriot would ever bend their knee to such a vile murderous dictator regardless of the threats. All I hear now from the weak whiny MAGAites is "Well what would you have us do? Start WWIII? All we can do is give in because Putin is soooo powerful!".
Nothing like claiming someone is licking an asshole to get your point across.
All that does is show desperation and no argument worth listening to.
The argument has already been made, Putin is a vile murderer who has been assassinating political opponents for years and is currently waging an unprovoked illegal war and committing genocide in Ukraine. Anyone who sides with such a piece of shit dictator is either a vile piece of shit fascist just like him or perhaps just likes to metaphorically eat authoritarian dictators' assholes which is really the lesser of the two crimes I suppose.
Again…..desperation with no coherent argument
Yes, once again you fail to make any argument let alone a coherent one.[✘]
I don’t know if I’d call it a good thing, but I predict it will be a thing Trump adopts. Next up, we invade Gaza and Greenland, and when those places surrender (for the same reasons Ukraine is about to surrender) it will again be a “good thing,” but not a thing I plan to be proud of.
Well what is the good thing ? What's the solution that doesn't cost thousands of American lives that results in Ukraine regaining all it's territory? Ukraine is running out of soldiers. A Russia dug in, supplied by China and now using North Korean troops as well isn't going to be pushed out easily. What's the plan for Ukraine ending in sunshine and lollipops?
The good thing would be if Russia respected the Ukrainian borders and sovereignty they officially recognized 30 years ago, and went home. A really good thing would be if they then helped Ukraine rebuild.
Sure. That's like basing your household budget on winning the lottery. It's a nice pipe dream but there is no basis to believe it will happen.
I didn’t say I expected it to happen, so your lottery analogy is a straw man. You asked me what the good thing would be and I stand by my answer.
Here’s an analogy you can think about. If I broke into your house, beat up you and your family, trashed your house, and decided the living room belonged to me, you wouldn’t be much interested in negotiating with me to let me keep the living room so long as I agreed not to trash the rest of your house. Also, you can see that from past experience, I can’t be trusted to keep my word. You want to make that deal? Would you call it a “good thing?”
Orrr, would the good thing be that I left your house to you, paid your medical bills, paid for repairing your house, and further compensated you for your pain and suffering. Wouldn’t that be better? Heck, you might even say that you had a right to expect that.
Not at all. A broke man would call winning the lottery a good thing too, and be right. But it's not a serious answer to the problem he's dealing with, just like yours wasn't.
Wouldn’t that be better
So sunshine and lollypops and forget about reality it is for you.
Ok, try not to make too much noise while I'm using your living room. Also, expect to see me in your kitchen now and then. I get the munchies.