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Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  7 comments

By:   Adam Entous, Julian E. Barnes and Adam Goldman (The New York Times)

Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say
New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.

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The screw turns.  Are we to believe that US intelligence is releasing this information to be transparent?  Such information would appear to undermine the war effort.  The more likely speculation is that the United States is beginning to create leverage to use against Ukraine to force negotiations.  Ukraine is not going to defeat Russia.  And Russia is not going to capture Kiev.  The war has settled into a prolonged stalemate in the Donbas that the United States and NATO cannot support for as long as it takes.  

The war has turned into an escalation of fighting in the Donbas that began in 2014.  The war in Donbas is still the same war being fought for the same reasons; the fighting has only intensified.


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WASHINGTON — New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.

U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials.

The brazen attack on the natural gas pipelines, which link Russia to Western Europe, fueled public speculation about who was to blame, from Moscow to Kyiv and London to Washington, and it has remained one of the most consequential unsolved mysteries of Russia's year-old war in Ukraine.

Ukraine and its allies have been seen by some officials as having the most logical potential motive to attack the pipelines. They have opposed the project for years, calling it a national security threat because it would allow Russia to sell gas more easily to Europe.

Ukrainian government and military intelligence officials say they had no role in the attack and do not know who carried it out. After this article was published, Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Mr. Zelensky, posted on Twitter that Ukraine "has nothing to do with the Baltic Sea mishap." He added that he had no information about pro-Ukrainian "sabotage groups."

U.S. officials said there was much they did not know about the perpetrators and their affiliations. The review of newly collected intelligence suggests they were opponents of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, but does not specify the members of the group, or who directed or paid for the operation.

U.S. officials declined to disclose the nature of the intelligence, how it was obtained or any details of the strength of the evidence it contains. They have said that there are no firm conclusions about it, leaving open the possibility that the operation might have been conducted off the books by a proxy force with connections to the Ukrainian government or its security services.

Some initial U.S. and European speculation centered on possible Russian culpability, especially given its prowess in undersea operations, though it is unclear what motivation the Kremlin would have in sabotaging the pipelines given that they have been an important source of revenue and a means for Moscow to exert influence over Europe. One estimate put the cost of repairing the pipelines starting at about $500 million. U.S. officials say they have not found any evidence of involvement by the Russian government in the attack.

Officials who have reviewed the intelligence said they believed the saboteurs were most likely Ukrainian or Russian nationals, or some combination of the two. U.S. officials said no American or British nationals were involved.

The pipelines were ripped apart by deep sea explosions in September, in what U.S. officials described at the time as an act of sabotage. European officials have publicly said they believe the operation that targeted Nord Stream was probably state sponsored, possibly because of the sophistication with which the perpetrators planted and detonated the explosives on the floor of the Baltic Sea without being detected. U.S. officials have not stated publicly that they believe the operation was sponsored by a state.

The explosives were most likely planted with the help of experienced divers who did not appear to be working for military or intelligence services, U.S. officials who have reviewed the new intelligence said. But it is possible that the perpetrators received specialized government training in the past.

Officials said there were still enormous gaps in what U.S. spy agencies and their European partners knew about what transpired. But officials said it might constitute the first significant lead to emerge from several closely guarded investigations, the conclusions of which could have profound implications for the coalition supporting Ukraine.

Any suggestion of Ukrainian involvement, whether direct or indirect, could upset the delicate relationship between Ukraine and Germany, souring support among a German public that has swallowed high energy prices in the name of solidarity.

U.S. officials who have been briefed on the intelligence are divided about how much weight to put on the new information. All of them spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss classified intelligence and matters of sensitive diplomacy.

U.S. officials said the new intelligence reporting has increased their optimism that American spy agencies and their partners in Europe can find more information, which could allow them to reach a firm conclusion about the perpetrators. It is unclear how long that process will take. American officials recently discussed the intelligence with their European counterparts, who have taken the lead in investigating the attack.

A spokeswoman for the C.I.A. declined to comment. A spokesman for the White House's National Security Council referred questions about the pipelines to the European authorities, who have been conducting their own investigations.

After this report was published, Russia attacked the credibility of the intelligence, complaining that it had been prevented from taking part in the investigations. "This is obviously a coordinated spread of disinformation in the media," Dmitry S. Peskov, a Kremlin spokesman, told the state-backed Sputnik news agency.

Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, as the two pipelines are known, stretch 760 miles from the northwest coast of Russia to Lubmin in northeast Germany. The first cost more than $12 billion to build and was completed in 2011.

Nord Stream 2 cost slightly less than the first pipeline and was completed in 2021, over objections from officials in the United States, Britain, Poland and Ukraine, among others, who warned that it would increase German reliance on Russian gas. During a future diplomatic crisis between the West and Russia, these officials argued, Moscow could blackmail Berlin by threatening to curtail gas supplies, on which the Germans had depended heavily, especially during the winter months. (Germany has weaned itself off reliance on Russian gas over the past year.)

Early last year, President Biden, after meeting with Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany at the White House, said Mr. Putin's decision about whether to attack Ukraine would determine the fate of Nord Stream 2. "If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2," Mr. Biden said. "We will bring an end to it."

When asked exactly how that would be accomplished, Mr. Biden cryptically said, "I promise you we'll be able to do it."

A couple weeks later, Mr. Scholz announced that his government would block the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from becoming operational. Two days after that, Russia launched the much-anticipated invasion.

Since the explosions along the pipelines in September, there has been rampant speculation about what transpired on the sea floor near the Danish island of Bornholm.

Poland and Ukraine immediately accused Russia of planting the explosives, but they offered no evidence.

Russia, in turn, accused Britain of carrying out the operation — also without evidence. Russia and Britain have denied any involvement in the explosions.

Last month, the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh published an article on the newsletter platform Substack concluding that the United States carried out the operation at the direction of Mr. Biden. In making his case, Mr. Hersh cited the president's preinvasion threat to "bring an end" to Nord Stream 2, and similar statements by other senior U.S. officials.

U.S. officials say Mr. Biden and his top aides did not authorize a mission to destroy the Nord Stream pipelines, and they say there was no U.S. involvement.

Any findings that put blame on Kyiv or Ukrainian proxies could prompt a backlash in Europe and make it harder for the West to maintain a united front in support of Ukraine.

U.S. officials and intelligence agencies acknowledge that they have limited visibility into Ukrainian decision-making.

Despite Ukraine's deep dependence on the United States for military, intelligence and diplomatic support, Ukrainian officials are not always transparent with their American counterparts about their military operations, especially those against Russian targets behind enemy lines. Those operations have frustrated U.S. officials, who believe that they have not measurably improved Ukraine's position on the battlefield, but have risked alienating European allies and widening the war.

The operations that have unnerved the United States included a strike in early August on Russia's Saki Air Base on the western coast of Crimea, a truck bombing in October that destroyed part of the Kerch Strait Bridge, which links Russia to Crimea, and drone strikes in December aimed at Russian military bases in Ryazan and Engels, about 300 miles beyond the Ukrainian border.

But there have been other acts of sabotage and violence of more ambiguous provenance that U.S. intelligence agencies have had a harder time attributing to Ukrainian security services.

One of those was a car bomb near Moscow in August that killed Daria Dugina, the daughter of a prominent Russian nationalist.

Kyiv denied any involvement but U.S. intelligence agencies eventually came to believe that the killing was authorized by what officials called "elements" of the Ukrainian government. In response to the finding, the Biden administration privately rebuked the Ukrainians and warned them against taking similar actions.

The explosions that ruptured the Nord Stream pipelines took place five weeks after Ms. Dugina's killing. After the Nord Stream operation, there was hushed speculation — and worry — in Washington that parts of the Ukrainian government might have been involved in that operation as well.

The new intelligence provided no evidence so far of the Ukrainian government's complicity in the attack on the pipelines, and U.S. officials say the Biden administration's level of trust in Mr. Zelensky and his senior national security team has been steadily increasing.

Days after the explosion, Denmark, Sweden and Germany began their own separate investigations into the Nord Stream operation.

Intelligence and law enforcement agencies on both sides of the Atlantic have had difficulty obtaining concrete evidence about what happened on the sea floor in the hours, days and weeks before the explosions.

The pipelines themselves were not closely monitored, by either commercial or government sensors. Moreover, finding the vessel or vessels involved has been complicated by the fact that the explosions took place in a heavily trafficked area.

That said, investigators have many leads to pursue.

According to a European lawmaker briefed late last year by his country's main foreign intelligence service, investigators have been gathering information about an estimated 45 "ghost ships" whose location transponders were not on or were not working when they passed through the area, possibly to cloak their movements.

The lawmaker was also told that more than 1,000 pounds of "military grade" explosives were used by the perpetrators.

Spokespeople for the Danish government had no immediate comment. Spokespeople for the German government declined to comment.

Mats Ljungqvist, a senior prosecutor leading Sweden's investigation, told The New York Times late last month that his country's hunt for the perpetrators was continuing.

"It's my job to find those who blew up Nord Stream. To help me, I have our country's Security Service," Mr. Ljungqvist said. "Do I think it was Russia that blew up Nord Stream? I never thought so. It's not logical. But as in the case of a murder, you have to be open to all possibilities."

Reporting was contributed by Rebecca R. Ruiz, Erika Solomon, Melissa Eddy, Michael Schwirtz and Andrew E. Kramer.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Intelligence information of this nature being publicly disclosed is a sign that the United States has begun searching for a way out of the quagmire.  Ending the war will require exerting pressure on the Kiev government.  And this type of public disclosure begins the process.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year

I don't think Brandon is looking for a way out of the quagmire he helped create in Ukraine. This is Russia we are talking about after all. The decision makers in his administration and the Democrats still butt hurt over the 2016 elections won't allow it.

Disclosing intelligence of this type is trying to deflect blame away from the Brandon administration. This wasn't some rogue mercenary group for hire that did this. It would have taken special training; equipment; planning, and a shitload of money. 

I am sure a pro Ukrainian group did do it. The US Navy Seals could definitely be considered a pro-Ukrainian group.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1    last year
I don't think Brandon is looking for a way out of the quagmire he helped create in Ukraine. This is Russia we are talking about after all. The decision makers in his administration and the Democrats still butt hurt over the 2016 elections won't allow it.

Disclosing intelligence of this type is trying to deflect blame away from the Brandon administration. This wasn't some rogue mercenary group for hire that did this. It would have taken special training; equipment; planning, and a shitload of money. 

I am sure a pro Ukrainian group did do it. The US Navy Seals could definitely be considered a pro-Ukrainian group.

The intelligence community uses the 'gray lady' to manipulate politics by influencing public opinion.  The intelligence community is exerting influence over Biden with public disclosure of intelligence information.  Whether or not the United States was involved, the intelligence community is pointing a finger at Ukraine.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.1    last year

I will agree the intelligence community is pointing the finger at Ukraine. But Ukraine is already at war with Russia. What is Russia going to do to Ukraine? Bomb them more? Lay siege to them? Block their ports and wreck their economy? They have already done all of that. 

Putin thinks the US destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines. Even our allies are giving us wary stares. What are we going to do if Putin decides to retaliate by blowing up a few US major pipelines? Russia probably still has 1 or 2 sleeper cells we don't know about that could carry out the task. If Al Qaeda could pull off 9/11 right under the US government's nose; then blowing up some of our major pipelines should be a breeze.

What will our allies do? Brandon made the stupid mistake of threatening the Nord Stream pipelines publicly. NATO might just look at us and say, "You brought this on yourselves. No WWWIII for us."

Brandon craves plausible deniability. He is more than happy to blame some unnamed pro Ukraine faction acting on their behest.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    last year
I will agree the intelligence community is pointing the finger at Ukraine. But Ukraine is already at war with Russia. What is Russia going to do to Ukraine? Bomb them more? Lay siege to them? Block their ports and wreck their economy? They have already done all of that. 

Look at a map.  The war in Donbas is still the war in Donbas.  What Russia has achieved is returning the front line to where it was in 2014.  And it appears that was Putin's goal from the beginning.

Putin thinks the US destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines. Even our allies are giving us wary stares. What are we going to do if Putin decides to retaliate by blowing up a few US major pipelines? Russia probably still has 1 or 2 sleeper cells we don't know about that could carry out the task. If Al Qaeda could pull off 9/11 right under the US government's nose; then blowing up some of our major pipelines should be a breeze.

So, why wouldn't Biden take credit?  Destroying Nord Stream hurt Russia.  Destroying Nord Stream forestalled Germany appeasing Russia and undermining the war effort only to get gas.  The United States came to the forefront to supply Europe reminiscent of WWII and the Cold War.  Biden demonstrated that the United States would not abandon Europe; a throwback to the Berlin airlift.  Had the United States destroyed Nord Stream, Biden could claim a victory in taking the fight directly to Russia.

In that case the intelligence community would have remained silent.  The intelligence community would neither confirm or deny the involvement of the United States in destroying Nord Stream.  The intelligence community would have invoked national security to remain silent and allow the rumors to influence public opinion.  The rumors would suggest the United States is in the fight and victory would be claimed with winks and nods.

What will our allies do? Brandon made the stupid mistake of threatening the Nord Stream pipelines publicly. NATO might just look at us and say, "You brought this on yourselves. No WWWIII for us."

The intelligence disclosure that Ukraine was involved, in some manner, with the destruction of Nord Stream will increase pressure on Ukraine to negotiate an end to the war in Donbas.  Ukraine has become a stalemate; a quagmire with no end in sight.  Another Iraq.  Another Afghanistan.  Another Syria.  And there is growing concerns that a weakened Russia could become a greater threat.  A Russia that has less to lose may take bigger gambles.

Biden is trying to pivot to China and Ukraine has become a hindrance.  And the United States cannot take on China without Europe.  If Europe was reticent to give up Russian gas then Europe will certainly balk at giving up Chinese trade.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    last year

A week before Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden said this ""If Russia invades … there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."   I'll bet he's sorry he said that now. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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