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From transgendered to 'transabled': Now people are 'choosing' to identify as handicapped

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  32 comments

By:   Deirdre Reilly (Fox News)

From transgendered to 'transabled': Now people are 'choosing' to identify as handicapped
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A troubling societal issue called "transableism" is attracting attention these days.

Transableism is a newer term for BIID, or "Body Integrity Identity Disorder," in which a person actually "identifies" as handicapped.

BIID has been relabeled to transableism to align with today's trans community, according to some.

The point of "changing the identifier" from a psychiatric condition (BIID) to an advocacy term (transableism) is to "harness the stunning cultural power of gender ideology" to the cause of allowing doctors to "treat" BIID patients by "amputating healthy limbs, snipping spinal cords or destroying eyesight," according to Evolution News and Science Today (EN), which reports on and analyzes evolution, neuroscience, bioethics, intelligent design and other science-related issues.

Culturally, transableism is "the next abyss," that site also notes.

Why?

Because "some of these persons mutilate themselves; others ask surgeons for an amputation or for the transection of their spinal cord," that site adds of the shocking steps some are taking.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) notes on its website, "Those with BIID desire the amputation of one or more healthy limbs or desire a paralysis."

A North Carolina college student called transableism a "cry for attention."

The 24-year-old told Fox News Digital, "It's offensive to people who actually suffer from the condition that you say you need, in order to be your true self."

"It's offensive to people who actually suffer from the condition."

He went on, "It's embarrassing, and I don't know if you can be considered a serious human being if you alter your body like this, instead of getting the appropriate mental help you need."

In one case of BIID, Jrund Viktoria Alme, 53, a senior credit analyst in Oslo, Norway, identifies as disabled and uses a wheelchair, even though she has no physical handicap.

Alme is also transgender, according to Heraldscotland.com. Alme said on the morning TV program "Good Morning Norway" in 2022 that it had been a "lifelong wish" to have been born "a woman paralyzed from the waist down," the same source noted.

In an even more shocking case, a 21-year-old North Carolina woman who identified as blind actually took steps to destroy her own eyesight, according to multiple reports from a few years ago.

One Arizona internist called today's transableism a "delusional disorder."

"In my opinion, both transgender and transabled persons suffer from a delusional disorder," Jane Orient, a general internist in Tucson, Arizona, and executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, told Fox News Digital via email.

"The Oath of Hippocrates adjures physicians to do no harm," Orient said.

"Mutilating the body is an objective harm even if makes the patient subjectively feel better," she added.

"The disability is lifelong and imposes burdens on others — and neither patients nor physicians can duck responsibility for that."

Orient also noted, "With transgenders the follow-up is generally very short — not sure about the [follow-up with] elective amputees," she said.

"The 'no other way' [to cope with the condition] excuse is a cop out; we need to find other ways," she also said. "Denial of reality is anti-scientific."

Dr. Marc Siegel, a clinical professor of medicine and a practicing internist at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York City — as well as a Fox News medical contributor — told Fox News Digital via email that most doctors will "only perform procedures they feel are medically indicated."

Siegel referred to Munchausen syndrome, which is a "factitious disorder" in which a person "repeatedly and deliberately acts as if they have a physical or mental illness" when they are not really sick, according to WebMd.com.

Dr. Siegel continued, "We deal with Munchausen and Munchausen by proxy, where patients can be quite convincing about illnesses they don't really have — and we need to be on the lookout for this."

Calling cosmetic plastic surgery procedures a "gray area," Siegel noted that "as an internist who clears people for all kind of surgeries, I find myself in lengthy discussions with patients about whether they really need a face lift, tummy tuck, etc."

He added about "transableism," "I would never clear anyone for surgery to remove a limb that does not need removal."

The North Carolina college student also said about today's trend of transableism, "Today, I feel like people would [even] encourage mutilation for 'transabled' people, in order to be thought of as an 'ally.'"


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Sometime craziness is nothing more than crazy.  And turning our backs on reality to satisfy craziness is, itself, crazy.  What happens when lunatics run the asylum?  Do we lose the ability to even understand truth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year
Sometime craziness is nothing more than crazy. 

Without a doubt.

Some of these folks may well indeed be clinically insane.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year
What happens when lunatics run the asylum? 

Unfortunately, we have been seeing what happens since January 2021.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  JBB    last year

So, another made up non-issue to inspire another bout of hysterical far rightwing false indignation?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @2    last year
So, another made up non-issue to inspire another bout of hysterical far rightwing false indignation?

Made up?  So, the far rightwing tricked people into ignoring reality and mutilate themselves just so the far right wing had something to be hysterical about.  Gotcha.

Sometimes craziness really is a health issue.  Sometimes craziness is a red flag that should ring alarm bells.  Embracing the craziness for self gratification only allows the lunatics to run the asylum.  That's not embracing reality; that's just crazy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    last year
Sometimes craziness really is a health issue.  Sometimes craziness is a red flag that should ring alarm bells. 

Far too many on the left feed into the frenzy of insanity.

How does one logically condone these things?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    last year
How does one logically condone these things?

It's actually quite simple to condone these things.  Just ignore reality and embrace craziness.  Self gratification outweighs any other consideration.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3  Texan1211    last year

Used to be normal for people to recognize that people who want to become paralyzed or cut their limbs off as mentally ill. Now, far too many 'enablers' CELEBRATE their lunacy.

Bunch of freaking nuts should all seek psychiatric help IMMEDIATELY! 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3    last year
Used to be normal for people to recognize that people who want to become paralyzed or cut their limbs off as mentally ill. Now, far too many 'enablers' CELEBRATE their lunacy.

Circumcision is a choice, and you should not be calling parents lunatics for making that choice for their children.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    last year
Circumcision is a choice, and you should not be calling parents lunatics for making that choice for their children.

I didn't, you just made that whole deal up.

Here, I will try to make it clearer for you since you somehow, erroneously and rather amazingly think I talked about circumcision.

Unless YOU think a circumcision is akin to someone having their arm or hand or leg or foot off.

People who want to cut off their LIMBS are suffering from some mental deficiency.

Hope that clears it all up for you and you can cease trying to argue what NO ONE ever said!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    last year

Try sticking to the topic from now on, I humored you on your off-topic nonsense but won't do so again.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    last year
People who want to cut off their LIMBS are suffering from some mental deficiency.

So what does transableism have to do with amputating of limbs?????????? 

Transableism IS the topic in case you forgot.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.3    last year
The point of "changing the identifier" from a psychiatric condition (BIID) to an advocacy term (transableism) is to "harness the stunning cultural power of gender ideology" to the cause of allowing doctors to "treat" BIID patients by "amputating healthy limbs, snipping spinal cords or destroying eyesight," according to Evolution News and Science Today (EN), which reports on and analyzes evolution, neuroscience, bioethics, intelligent design and other science-related issues.

Please either READ the article or stop being obtuse.

Now, if you can find one little snippet about circumcision in the article, you MIGHT just have a beginning of a legitimate point.

Personally, I doubt you can find it but knock yourself out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.3    last year
Transableism IS the topic in case you forgot.

Oh, I never forgot it despite your bizarre foray into circumcision.

Here is what the NIH had to say.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) notes on its website, "Those with BIID desire the amputation of one or more healthy limbs or desire a paralysis."

And so you will also know, here is what BIID is and what it has 'become'.

Transableism is a newer term for BIID, or "Body Integrity Identity Disorder," in which a person actually "identifies" as handicapped.

BIID has been relabeled to transableism to align with today's trans community, according to some.

If you have any questions, I am here for you. Just make sure they are topical and legitimate.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.3    last year
So what does transableism have to do with amputating of limbs??

Questions like that indicate you never read the article, didn't bother to look the word up, don't have even a single clue as to what you are talking about, and are trolling.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.1.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    last year
Circumcision is a choice, and you should not be calling parents lunatics for making that choice for their children.

There really is a difference between circumcision and amputating the penis.  There can be a debate over  the medical benefits of one.  But the other is just plain crazy.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    last year
Questions like that indicate you never read the article, didn't bother to look the word up, don't have even a single clue as to what you are talking about, and are trolling.

What does your failure to answer the question mean?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.8    last year

I gave you the information you sought while pointing out to you it was in the article you either never read or failed to comprehend.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.8    last year
What does your failure to answer the question mean?

I am sorry you didn't like or didn't understand the answer you received.

Ask sane, on-topic questions and see what happens!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.8    last year
What does your failure to answer the question mean?

Since I did answer you, it means you didn't understand it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.10    last year
I am sorry you didn't like or didn't understand the answer you received.

Even after processing your answer through the Google bullshit translator, it came out as nothing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.12    last year

I see some things are just beyond your ken. I have patiently tried to explain it to you to no avail.

it isn't my problem, however, so try to figure it out on your own. 

good luck, you'll need it!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4  Sparty On    last year

Some here are Transabled.

Missing/malfunctioning brains ......

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @4    last year
Some here are Transabled. Missing/malfunctioning brains ...

Without a shadow of a doubt!

It is amply displayed daily.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Sparty On @4    last year
Some here are Transabled. Missing/malfunctioning brains ......

Hmmm... mentally transabled.  That has a ring to it.

A naturally missing brain would be a natural disability.  The mentally transabled deliberately remove their brains.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5  Jack_TX    last year
The point of "changing the identifier" from a psychiatric condition (BIID) to an advocacy term (transableism) is to "harness the stunning cultural power of gender ideology"

This is a fascinating idea.  We have a group of "advocates" who want to normalize a mental illness.  It's interesting because the roadmap has been drawn and followed to great success.

Until about 10 years ago, gender dysphoria was a mental illness.  Now, ESPN has honored a man in conjunction with "Celebrating Women's History Month". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @5    last year
We have a group of "advocates" who want to normalize a mental illness. 

They appear to be about as mentally challenged as those they support.

Post 3.1 is a prime example of ignoring reality and deflection.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.2  Sparty On  replied to  Jack_TX @5    last year

Reason left the ESPN barn long ago.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.2.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    last year
Reason left the ESPN barn long ago.

Apparently not only there.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6  Texan1211    last year

It is sad to know that there are people out there who consider this normal behavior.

SMH

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7  evilone    last year

First this isn't a new issue and second the number of people affected is so infinitesimal as to really be a non-problem. Since there are only 200 know cases of BIID it's likely there are more right wing populist partisans trying to weaponize information like this for political gain than people affected by it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @7    last year

This obviously doesn't effect/affect ANYONE.  How ludicrous - tying the two together.

 
 

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