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The Other Slavery exposes the 1619 Project's fraud

  
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The Other Slavery exposes the 1619 Project's fraud
According to Nikole Hannah-Jones's myth, U.S. history didn't really begin until August 1619, when about 20 slaves were sold to the governor of the Virginia colony by a British privateer. This "beginning of American slavery" is central to our nation's history, Hannah-Jones argues, because black Americans would go on to become "the perfecters of this democracy."

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Opinion The Other Slavery exposes the 1619 Project's fraud By Conn Carroll, Commentary Editor October 10, 2022 01:09 PM

According to Nikole Hannah-Jones's myth , U.S. history didn't really begin until August 1619, when about 20 slaves were sold to the governor of the Virginia colony by a British privateer. This "beginning of American slavery" is central to our nation's history, Hannah-Jones argues, because black Americans would go on to become "the perfecters of this democracy."

The problem is, like every claim Hannah-Jones makes, the claim that slavery began in America in 1619 is a fiction to begin with. Now, a new project funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation is unintentionally exposing that fraud.

GIVEN THEIR HISTORY OF SLAVERY AND CONQUEST, WE SHOULD END INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY

The "Native Bound-Unbound: Archive of Indigenous Americans Enslaved" plans to "digitize and piece together stories of the millions of Indigenous people whose lives were shaped by slavery."

Many of those enslaved indigenous Americans were enslaved by other indigenous Americans long before Europeans came to the Americas. "Indigenous slavery long predated the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. As far back as we can peer into pre-Contact monuments, codices, and archaeological evidence as well as the earliest European accounts, we learn about Indigenous Americans enslaving one another," University of California, Davis history professor Andres Resendez writes in his book The Other Slavery.

"The Maya and Aztec took captives to use as sacrificial victims, the Iroquois waged 'mourning wars' on neighbors to avenge and replace their dead, Native groups along the North Pacific Coast finalized elite marriages by exchanging enslaved people, and so on. These practices of bondage were embedded in specific cultural contexts," Resendez continues.

Not only did Native Americans enslave each other long before Europeans arrived, but Native Americans were also active participants in the African slave trade.

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"The Five Civilized Tribes [Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole] were deeply committed to slavery, established their own racialized black codes, immediately reestablished slavery when they arrived in Indian territory, rebuilt their nations with slave labor, crushed slave rebellions, and enthusiastically sided with the Confederacy in the Civil War," National Museum of the American Indian Curator Paul Chaat Smith told Smithsonian magazine.

Black Americans are not "the perfectors" of our democracy — nor are Native Americans, nor are whites. What makes the U.S. unique is not that slavery was once tolerated in our country — it was in fact tolerated everywhere on Earth for millennia — but that we fought a bloody Civil War to end it. Very few countries can say that.


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Vic Eldred
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1  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Gee, I guess slavery was perpetrated by just about every group.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

The world over it seems...................

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Gee, I guess that makes it OK then.  Right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    3 years ago

Who is in favor of slavery?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    3 years ago

No Steevie....can't single out those Whit  Europeans anymore

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    3 years ago

I don't single out anybody.  I'll call anybody out who thinks slavery is ok including the what aboutists at the Washington Examiner.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.3    3 years ago

Where did they state it is OK?

Reading something that isn't there?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Yep, along with the simple fact that the United States did not even exist in 1619. Therefore the proponents of the 1619 fallacy should direct their bogus ideas to the British and the Spanish, who were the two major European colonial slave holding powers in the New World at the time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 years ago

These sort of articles are garbage.

We have had hundreds of years of white supremacy in 'America'. BECAUSE slavery in America quickly became based on race, which is in writing for those of you who dont believe it, we ended up having a society that was racist. I have repeatedly asked anyone on this forum to give me a decade since the founding when America was not majority racist, and no one can do it. I think they know I will look up historical information from that decade and we will see how prevalent racism was in that era. 

The point is that slavery in the US was different from "other" countries. US slavery of the Africans established them as inferior people forever, the children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of Negro slaves were born as slaves. Eventually this system baked the concept of black inferiority into the American mindset. So much so that it was 100 years after slavery ended before blacks achieved equal rights under the law. 

For those who think indigenous slavery, to the extent it may have existed, established a racial group as inferior and to be slaves in perpetuity, please prove it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
I have repeatedly asked anyone on this forum to give me a decade since the founding when America was not majority racist, and no one can do it.

That's just not so.

Anyone could use the current decade as the prime exampl.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
forum to give me a decade since the founding when America was not majority racist,

I saw  a CNN poll a few months ago from the 90s where somewhere around 90% of black teens said racism played no, or very little role, in their lives. 

After 20 years of being told they are victims, I'm sure the numbers have gotten worse. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    3 years ago

We are far less racist, yet more divided by race. It's the politics of the left

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
BECAUSE slavery in America quickly became based on race, which is in writing for those of you who dont believe it, we ended up having a society that was racist.

Your whole theory falls apart in 1621 with Anthony Johnson.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    3 years ago
Your whole theory falls apart in 1621 with Anthony Johnson.

I dont know what kind of history books or articles you read, but you desperately need some different , better, sources. 

For at least 400 years, a theory of “race” has been a lens through which many individuals, leaders, and nations have determined who belongs and who does not. The theory is based on the belief that humankind is divided into distinct “races” and that the existence of these races is proven by scientific evidence. Most biologists and geneticists today strongly disagree with this claim.  Some historians who have studied the evolution of race and racism trace much of contemporary “racial thinking” to the early years of slavery in the colony of Virginia, in what is now the United States.  

When the first Africans were brought to Virginia in 1619, status and power in the colony depended much more heavily on one’s religion or whether one owned property than it did on skin color or any notion of race.   Enslaved Africans, enslaved Native Americans, and European indentured servants labored in Virginia tobacco fields. Indentured servants agreed to work for a planter for a specific period of time in exchange for their passage to the New World, and then they often became free.

The enslaved, either Native Americans or Africans forced to come to North America, were also sometimes able to gain their freedom.  But this would soon change, as indentured servitude became less common and a system of slavery took hold in the English colonies in which enslavement was for life and only people of African descent were enslaved. 

The story of one man, Anthony Johnson, helps illustrate the changes in Virginia society that laid the foundation for the institution of race-based slavery that thrived until the Civil War.  Johnson was brought to Virginia, enslaved by an English settler, in 1622.  He was able to earn his freedom, own land, and have servants of his own, but his descendants would not be permitted to do any of these things

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    3 years ago

You went through all that to tell me you have absolutely no idea who Anthony Johnson is.  

Reader's Digest version -

Anthony Johnson  ( c.  1600 – 1670) was a black  Angolan  known for achieving wealth in the early 17th-century  Colony of Virginia . He was one of the first African Americans whose right to own a slave for life was recognized by the Virginia courts. Held as an  indentured servant  in 1621, he earned his freedom after several years, and was granted land by the colony.

Maybe you should do some research on what you are talking about.  It would save you the problem of being proven wrong.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.2    3 years ago

Do you know how to read?

The enslaved, either Native Americans or Africans forced to come to North America, were also sometimes able to gain their freedom.  But this would soon change, as indentured servitude became less common and a system of slavery took hold in the English colonies in which enslavement was for life and only people of African descent were enslaved.  The story of one man, Anthony Johnson, helps illustrate the changes in Virginia society that laid the foundation for the institution of race-based slavery that thrived until the Civil War.  Johnson was brought to Virginia, enslaved by an English settler, in 1622.  He was able to earn his freedom, own land, and have servants of his own, but his descendants would not be permitted to do any of these things
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago

And despite that, he, as a BLACK MAN was permitted to hold slaves.  Like I said, your whole theory falls apart in 1621

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

The 1619 project is designed to brainwash students in anti-Americanism. It's not even subtle, given the magnitude of its outright lies. 

Slavery, across the world, throughout history, has been the general rule.  It was the Declaration of Independence that made the concept of slavery intellectually untenable, and it was the British, and to a lesser extent American navies that ended the transcontinental slave trade.   We take for granted the concept that slavery is a moral evil while despising the people who made that intellectual revolution possible, because the politics of victimization demand it. .  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 years ago

First of all, half of America did not want slavery to end in the 1860's. The constitution of the Confederate States of America actually made it unconstitutional for any of its member states to unilaterally end slavery. If Louisiana decided at some point that they didnt want slavery in their state anymore they would have been kicked out of the confederacy. 

Secondly, it is true that the ideas spread in the Enlightenment era made the rationale for slavery eventually untenable. Which is why the rationale for slavery became biblical. The slaveowners could no longer claim that "all men" did not deserve freedom, so they changed the rationale, based on the Bible among other things, to claim that the Africans were so inferior they were not actually "men" in the definition of the Declaration of Independence. 

Slavery based on race existed in the United States for 200 years, including the entire era of the founding of the United States, and then , even after slavery ended, the people who had been slaves were oppressed on the basis of race for another 100 years. To this day racial prejudice against people of color is rampant. 

This is a disastrously bad history for a country to have. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

That entire statement is virtue signaling leftist racism at it's finest.

Bravo John! Way to toe the party line!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.1    3 years ago
That entire statement is virtue signaling leftist racism at it's finest.

Are you ok?  My entire statement is the truth. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 years ago

Only to fucked up radical fundamentalists

No one else ....

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 years ago

Your truth- which has nothing to do with reality.

Racism still exists; but it is the Democrats who are the primary culprits.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.4    3 years ago

I met a white dude that was racist the other day, therefore white dudes are racists ...... said no thinking person ever.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago
The constitution of the Confederate States of America actually made it unconstitutional for any of its member states to unilaterally end slavery.

I curious to see a link to where you are getting your information.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.6    3 years ago
the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress,

That is in the Confederate Constitution, making the ending of slavery by a confederate state unconstitutional.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    3 years ago

Unlike the Confederate States Constitution,   the United States Constitution   freely permitted states to abolish slavery.
original
civilwartalk.com/threads/what-the-confederate-states-constitution-says-about-sl…
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.6    3 years ago

I guess they didnt teach you that in school. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.10  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    3 years ago

From your link............

Access denied Error code 1020

You cannot access civilwartalk.com. Refresh the page or contact the site owner to request access.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.10    3 years ago

Try this one on for size

In late February 1861, in Montgomery, Alabama, the seven breakaway states formed the C.S.A.; swore in a president, Jefferson Davis; and wrote a constitution. That constitution aimed to perfect the original by dispensing with all the issues about slavery and representation that had plagued political life in the former U.S. The document recognized the constituent states as sovereign entities (though it did not confer on them the right to secede, confirming Lincoln’s point that no government ever provides for its own dissolution). It put the country under God and mandated a one-term presidency, of six years. It purged the original of euphemisms, using the term   slaves   instead of   other persons   in its three-fifths and fugitive-slave clauses. It bound the Congress   and   territorial governments to recognize and protect “the institution of negro slavery.”

But the centerpiece of the Confederate constitution—the words that upend any attempt to cast it simply as a copy of the original—was a wholly new clause that prohibited the government from  ever  changing the law of slavery: “No … law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.” It also moved to limit democracy by explicitly confining the right to vote to white men. Confederates wrote themselves a pro-slavery constitution for a pro-slavery state.

Shortly after this constitution was written, Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the C.S.A., offered a political manifesto for the slaveholders’ new republic. Training his sights on the eight upper-South states that were still refusing to secede, he offered a blunt assessment of the difference between the old Union and the new. The original American Union “rested upon the assumption of the equality of the races,” he explained. But “our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas: its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery is his natural … condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based on this great … truth.” A statue of Alexander Stephens now stands in the U.S. Capitol; it is one of a group that includes Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, targeted for removal.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    3 years ago
4. No bill of attainder,  ex post facto  law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    3 years ago

So you linked what somebody TOLD you the Constitution of the Confederate States states.  Not surprising.  

Seems Yale has a different one.

Your link uses wikisource as a reference.  I'll stick with a reputable source.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

"To this day racial prejudice against people of color is rampant."

Wrong again....it''s never been less.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.13    3 years ago

I just copied this sentence from your source.

(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

You are hopelessly incompetent. It wouldnt be so bad if you werent so aggressive about it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    3 years ago

Apparently I pay closer attention than you.  Now start reading from the beginning.  You will see the following:

Sec. 9. (I) The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden;

When you stop being selective and only selecting what YOU want, you will learn something. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.16    3 years ago

That passage is meaningless. All it means is that there would be no slave trade.  They already had enough slaves to last, uh, forever, BECAUSE slavery was inherited from generation to generation. 

Just stop. You are getting nowhere and it will only get worse for you. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago
That passage is meaningless.

That's insane.  Truly insane. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.13    3 years ago

Not only that, he used the highly leftist lberally biased rag The Atlantic as a what he considers a non biased and credible source?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 years ago

He has no clue what he's even saying.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.4    3 years ago
Your truth- which has nothing to do with reality.

That would be you Ronin.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago
That passage is meaningless.

Because if goes against what you are trying to push?  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.23  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.22    3 years ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.19    3 years ago
he used the highly leftist lberally biased rag

That didn't surprise me in the least.  It's all about the narrative.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.20    3 years ago

These people are a trip Tessy. I've never seen people be so aggressive with their ignorance. The text of the Confederate Constitution is there for anyone to see. It was unconstitutional to outlaw or end slavery in the Confederacy. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.18    3 years ago

Really?  What does the slave trade have to do with the fact that it was unconstitutional to end slavery in the confederate states? Nothing. 

I'm getting dizzy from all these lame attempts to move the goalpost.

 
 

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