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Ohio train derailment: NTSB says investigation is ongoing in preliminary report | Washington Examiner

  
Via:  Jeremy in NC  •  last year  •  38 comments

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Ohio train derailment: NTSB says investigation is ongoing in preliminary report | Washington Examiner
The National Transportation Safety Board published its first preliminary report Thursday on the Feb. 3 train derailment and chemical release in East Palestine, Ohio.

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The National Transportation Safety Board published its first preliminary report Thursday on the Feb. 3 train derailment and chemical release in East Palestine, Ohio.

The report offers the most in-depth accounting of the events leading up to the derailment, detailing the number of freight cars involved, the equipment and materials those cars were carrying, and the hazardous materials released in the aftermath.

Though the report offered little in the way of new details, it noted that NTSB investigators did return to the site of the derailment on Feb. 21 to examine each hazardous material tank car, document damage, and secure evidence for laboratory analysis.

Their investigation "is ongoing," the report noted.

It said future investigative activity will focus on the wheelset and bearing of the tank cars used by Norfolk Southern as well as tank car design and damage, railcar maintenance procedures, use of wayside defect detectors, and railcar inspection practices.

NTSB will also review the accident response to the Norfolk Southern derailment, including the decision to vent and burn of vinyl chloride, which has been linked to liver disease and some forms of cancer in instances of acute exposure.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year
It said future investigative activity will focus on the wheelset and bearing of the tank cars used by Norfolk Southern as well as tank car design and damage, railcar maintenance procedures, use of wayside defect detectors, and railcar inspection practices.

So, it's NOT the Trump administration's fault.  It's the fault of shoddy maintenance and inspection processes by Norforlk Southern.  Not that it's going to stop idiots like Biden and his followers from parroting that misinformation.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year

But you know they will still blame Trump.  Since when did the truth matter to those people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year
Not that it's going to stop idiots like Biden and his followers from parroting that misinformation.

The blaming of Trump will continue until he dies.

The myopic folks can only think of Trump and can't possibly fathom how something on Biden's watch is his responsibility.

We see the same, old, tired, lame tactics every time something happens.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year

Maybe Obama's regulation made bad wheelsets and bearings illegale.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year
It's the fault of shoddy maintenance and inspection processes by Norforlk Southern. 

Been saying that for two days......................but, there is always "But Trump" idiots with an agenda.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.4    last year
Been saying that for two days......................but, there is always "But Trump" idiots with an agenda.

They can't help themselves. Once you get addicted to Trump, I hear it is damn near impossible to beat  it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.1    last year

Maybe the NTSB will determine that the accident was allowed by the Staggers Rail Act which Carter used to deregulate the rail industry.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.4.2    last year
Maybe the NTSB will determine that the accident was allowed by the Staggers Rail Act which Carter used to deregulate the rail industry.

Maybe.

But why when they have already claimed it is all Trump's fault?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.4.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.3    last year

This train derailment can't have been Trump's fault:

Bottom line:  Even if Obama's rule remained in place, this train accident would still have occured.

 
 
 
charger 383
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1.4.5  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.4.2    last year

Precision Scheduled Railroading (which is none of those 3 words} and Wall Street pushing for 50% operating ratio is the cause

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.4.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  charger 383 @1.4.5    last year

Agreed, pleasing the investors is the root cause of this accident. I’ve read a few articles over the last several months pointing out how because they have monopolies over their areas, rail companies have no incentive to provide decent service, or enforce many regulations.

The lack of competition means they are free to cut any and all corners in order to maximize profit, and that sounds like that is exactly what happened here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.7  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.4.4    last year

Again, facts don't matter to the I Hate Trump crowd.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.4.8  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.7    last year

Seems the only mention of trump here is coming from his supporters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.9  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.4.8    last year

some see only what they wish.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.4.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.9    last year

Looked at the comments, only time fuckhead is mentioned is by you all. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.11  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.4.10    last year

this wasn't the only article and we also listen to the news.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.4.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.11    last year

But this is the article we are commenting on.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.4.13  Jasper2529  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.4.8    last year
Seems the only mention of trump here is coming from his supporters.

and 1.4.12     Thrawn 31  

Really? Seems that you forgot to open and read the article's embedded links. Here's one ...

He also called on Transportation Secretary   Pete Buttigieg   to stop blaming former President   Donald Trump   for the Department of Transportation’s slow response. "The Department of Transportation, your Department of Transportation, has things it can do. Stop blaming Donald Trump, a guy who hasn't been president for three years, and use the powers of the federal government to do the things necessary to help people in this community," Vance said.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year
So, it's NOT the Trump administration's fault. 

Nope and it never was.

I think those who know better shouldn't have repeated the latest leftist lie. I hope they learn from this.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.5.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    last year

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.5.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    last year

We both know they won't learn from this. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    last year

It's not the Trump's fault for the derailment....and probably not Norfolk Southern's fault either.

First of all, most railroads don't own most the cars they haul and are not responsible for the maintenance of them.. Car companies and shippers own the vast majority of them. Considering the thousands and thousands of railcars nationwide, it is practically impossible to inspect them visually. A bearing or wheelset about to go bad would not show up on a visual inspection anyway.

 For several decades railroads have relied on trackside defect detectors to spot hot bearings and other problems on the cars. Normally the operation of the devices works fine, but like all things mechanical, can malfunction or break down.

 Reportedly, the train in question passed over two sets of detectors without tripping the automatic alarm which alert the train crew. Also reportedly, the third detector did sense the hot bearing and alerted the engineer, who applied the brakes but not soon enough to get the train stopped. I can't believe the engineer would ignore a warning that something is wrong. We'll find out when the investigation is complete just what caused this accident, and we should not cast blame beforehand.

 Finally, the better braking system being touted would not have stopped the train from derailing badly...as it did. 150 car trains take awhile to stop. As Scotty used to say, you can't change the laws of physics

 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.6.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.6    last year
and probably not Norfolk Southern's fault either.

Then again.....

While concerns have been building across the railroad industry for years about the growing length of trains, our Scripps News investigation found that  Norfolk Southern’s  top executives personally pocketed millions of dollars in incentives and cash rewards after the company hit a controversial financial target and made its trains longer. Critics from within the industry say the specific financial metrics the executives were incentivized to hit can pressure them to cut costs — potentially at the expense of safety. The Norfolk Southern train that derailed just outside the small Ohio town of  East Palestine  stretched nearly two miles long. 

National Transportation Safety Board  (NTSB) preliminary report said trouble with the train began with a suspected wheel bearing that overheated on the 23rd car.

When that car came off the rail, it set in motion a disaster that has put a national spotlight on the potential dangers of increasingly long trains. Scripps News has learned the length of the train in East Palestine is being investigated as a potential contributing factor to the crash. 

Like so many other things, just have to follow the money.  The longer the train, the lower the labor costs per-car.  And the longer trains have greater damage done, greater, larger pileups, fires and so on.  So wondering what will come of this for the future.  Not willing to bet against the only thing to come out of this is cash payments to the people involved and a blind-eye to anything else.

 
 
 
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2.3  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year

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Right Down the Center
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3  Right Down the Center    last year

Since none of the usual suspects with tds are here I will respond for them. But but but......but but but TRUMP!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Right Down the Center @3    last year

Trump is a gaping asshole, no doubt about that, but I can’t tel that this has anything to do with him. Not sure why you all keep bringing him up here.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1    last year

Maybe because many democrats (including pothole Pete), friends here on NT and the media was blaming him.  Funny that i see none of them apologizing or at least saying they may have jumped the gun and assigned blame before any investigation was done.

Also funny that I don't see you seeming to have an issue when someone brings Trump up on any other seed that has nothing to do with him, as long as they are bashing him..

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.1    last year

Trump deserves to be bashed nonstop, that is not in doubt, but I do not read every comment on every seed. Hell, I don’t comment on too many to begin with so of course I’m not gonna be there telling people not to mention trump. But o. This particular it seems like only conservatives are bringing him up. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1.2    last year

You apparently haven't been paying attention to the comments of Pothole Pete and Geriatric Joe.  Since the start they placed the blame of this incident on Trump.  And the TDS driven Bidenites have parroted those statements time and again. Only to be proven wrong - Again.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4  Mark in Wyoming     last year

Just read on my feed that the NTSB is saying it was a failed wheel bearing, so it's a company maint issue? Or maybe a loading issue of overloading the car?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5  Thrawn 31    last year

Sounds like we need stricter standards and harsher fines for rail companies.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Thrawn 31 @5    last year

Can't say anything about the rail industry, never worked in it, but I can say as a CDL driver even with pretrips. Not everything will get caught.

I have seen a number of times over the years a trailers wheel bearings blow out , a seal can crack , a bearing looses lube , or it decides to grenade just because ,and everything looks good before the haul, stuff like that just happens sometimes.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.1    last year

Oh trust me I get it. Things are gonna happen, but from what I have read, like you never I worked in the industry, the flouting of rules and regs is pretty common in the rail industry. Like more so than normal for a given industry, Wells Fargo level even.

Still dont know how they were even allowed to stay in business.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.1.1    last year
Still dont know how they were even allowed to stay in business.

Try shutting down all of the rail lines for a week and see what happens. There aren't enough long haul over the road drivers to cover all of the freight. The economy and supply chain wouldn't even last the full week before crashing. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6  Greg Jones    last year

More information, instead of conjecture and blame.

 
 

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