New film provides truth in the face of George Floyd lies
By: Liz Collin (New York Post) Miranda Devine
And there you have the false fuel for "The Summer of Love 2020" exposed.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
It's a self-protective aspect of human nature to put aside painful memories, and that's what most of us have done about the murderous riots in the summer of 2020 that were sparked by George Floyd's death in Minneapolis.
But for the people of that fallen city, and for all the cops across the nation who were abandoned and betrayed by their feckless political leaders, the pain still burns bright.
It ought to burn for the rest of us, too, because we still are suffering the consequences, in the catastrophic breakdown of law and order nationwide. We will continue to do so while the lies about George Floyd's death are left to fester.
A brilliant new crowdfunded documentary, "The Fall of Minneapolis," aims to remedy our collective amnesia about the events of May 25, 2020 — a time when the country was already half-mad from the ravages of COVID-19 and forced lockdowns, and when Democratic Party operatives, including candidates Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, seized on the "Defund the police" movement, in order to bring down President Donald Trump.
So many lies have been told since, and so much truth buried by the Big Tech censors that control reality, that the documentary arrives like a slap in the face.
5Flames from a nearby fire illuminate protesters standing on a barricade in front of the Third Police Precinct on May 28, 2020 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during a protest over the death of George Floyd.AFP via Getty Images
Wake up, it says. Remember. Look at the truth and hang your head in shame a little that you allowed yourself to be fooled.
Personal connection
"The Fall of Minneapolis" reveals a shocking tale of injustice and perfidy, and a ruthless political operation that contained the seeds of the January 6 Capitol riot eight months later and the consequent hyperbolic crackdown on Trump supporters.
The film was produced by Liz Collin, a former anchor at a CBS affiliate in the Twin Cities who was taken off air during the riots and demoted because her husband, Bob Kroll, was the Minneapolis police union chief at the time.
Their house was besieged by angry mobs yelling abuse over megaphones and beating pinata effigies of the couple throughout the trial of police officer Derek Chauvin.
5Protesters set fire to a police vehicle on May 30, 2020, during a protest against the death of George Floyd.NurPhoto via Getty Images
But she does not allow personal emotion to creep into the film, instead driving the narrative dispassionately with shocking new evidence. She interviews Chauvin in jail, where he is serving 21 years, his mother and many of the cops who have resigned.
From false testimony in Chauvin's trial to police bodycam footage of Floyd's arrest that was withheld for two months, to the autopsy report that was altered after the FBI got involved, Collin presents a damning forensic record that needs avenging.
Collin draws on new evidence unveiled last month in a sexual harassment lawsuit, filed by former Hennepin County prosecutor Amy Sweasy, against then-County Attorney Mike Freeman.
Sweasy's complaint details a revolt in the Hennepin County Attorney's Office over the decision to charge Chauvin's fellow officers Tou Thao, Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane with aiding and abetting second-degree murder. Lane and Kueng, who is black, were fresh out of the academy.
Sweasy and three other prosecutors refused to work on the case because it "violated professional and ethical rules."
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In sworn testimony, prosecutors told of the "insane … extreme premium pressure" they were under to throw the book at Chauvin and charge the other cops because "the city was burning down."
One said that Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison "taking over the Chauvin cases was difficult particularly when we had a governor who kind of threw us under the bus."
The original autopsy report by Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker the day after Floyd died found there was "no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.
"Mr. Floyd did not exhibit signs of petechiae, damage to his airways or thyroid, brain bleeding, bone injuries, or internal bruising."
Sweasy claims that Baker also told her that day that "there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd's neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation."
5The "I Can't Breathe - Silent March for Justice" on March 7, 2021, in front of the Hennepin County Government Center, site of the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, charged with murdering African American man George Floyd.AFP via Getty Images
But then she claims Baker told her: "Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn't match up with the public narrative that everyone's already decided on? … This is the kind of case that ends careers."
On May 31, 2020, Sweasy said Baker shared the results of toxicology tests with prosecutors, which showed that Floyd, 46, had a "fatal level of fentanyl" in his blood, along with methamphetamine.
Floyd also had COVID and severe "arteriosclerotic heart disease," with one artery 75% obstructed, and "hypertensive heart disease."
But Ben Crump, the ambulance-chasing attorney who represented the Floyd family and secured them a $27 million payout from the Minneapolis City Council, told the media: "George Floyd was a healthy young man."
The private forensic pathologist he hired, Dr. Michael Baden, declared, without seeing Floyd's body or slides of the autopsy, that "there was no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death."
The documentary says the FBI met with Baker after Baden's review and soon after the official autopsy report was changed to find Chauvin was to blame. Floyd's cause of death had become "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
There is so much that is shocking in the documentary.
For instance, it finds that the hold that Chauvin, a "by the book" cop, used on Floyd was an approved technique that he and every other cop had been trained to use by the Minneapolis Police Department.
It was called the maximal restraint technique (MRT) for handcuffed, uncooperative suspects. All of the cops interviewed by Collin said MRT was part of official training.
In the bystander video that went viral after Floyd's death, it appears Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's neck. But in bodycam footage, his knee appears to be on Floyd's shoulder.
Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo testified under oath at Chauvin's trial that "it was not" a trained Minneapolis police defensive tactics technique.
But Chauvin's mother pulled out her son's training manuals in her interview with Collin, which show images of the MRT hold.
5Protesters gather in front of a liquor store in flames near the Third Police Precinct on May 28, 2020, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during a protest over the death of George Floyd.AFP via Getty Images
The images "sure as hell are in Derek's training manuals, so how can they say they don't exist?"
But the judge refused to allow the evidence to be shown to the jury.
Everyone failed Minneapolis and, ultimately, failed America.
Rogue's gallery
The prime offenders fingered in the film are:
- Arradondo, the cowardly police chief who immediately branded Floyd's death "murder."
- Judge Peter Cahill, who ruled out exculpatory evidence, refused defense requests to move the trial out of Minneapolis, where the baying mob could be heard inside the courtroom, and refused to sequester the jury.
- Jacob Frey, the soy boy surrender mayor who ordered the Third Precinct to sacrifice its police station to the mob.
- Keith Ellison, the Antifa-hugging attorney general who ran roughshod over the rule of law when he railroaded Chauvin and the three other police officers jailed with him, and lied that Trump supporters (whom he branded "white supremacists") were to blame for the riots.
- Tim Walz, the Biden-loving governor who refused to deploy the National Guard and instead allowed arson, looting and mayhem to engulf Minneapolis for 13 days and spread to the rest of the country.
Frey, Ellison and Walz all won re-election. Arradondo retired early. None of them has been held to account. This insurrection of the incendiary left has been memory-holed.
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Prior to judgement jumping, read the whole of the article to save yourself some deletions.
So much conflicting evidence now that the court of public opinion has been subdued a bit.
When a person with COVID HAS A COP’s KNEE ON HIS NECK FOR 8 MINUTES, IT’S STILL THE COP RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON’s DEATH. No different than a drunk driver running down an individual with cancer, heart disease or COVID!
I guess you didn't see #1 above....................
Body camera video shows other wise. Or did you miss that part of the article?
The Minneapolis police chief testified that Officer Derek Chauvin violated departmental policy — and went against “our principles and the values that we have” — in pressing his knee on George Floyd’s neck and keeping him down after Floyd had stopped resisting and was in distress.
Continuing to kneel on Floyd’s neck once he was handcuffed behind his back and lying on his stomach was “in no way, shape or form” part of department policy or training, “and it is certainly not part of our ethics or our values,” Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said on Day Six of Chauvin’s murder trial.
While police have long been accused of closing ranks to protect fellow members of the force charged with wrongdoing — the “blue wall of silence,” as it’s known — some of the most experienced officers in the Minneapolis department have taken the stand to openly condemn Chauvin’s treatment of Floyd.
Regardless of Floyd's medical condition, THE LAST ACT IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE MOMENT OF HIS DEATH WAS THE RESULT OF A KNEE ON HIS NECK FOR MORE THAN 8 MINUTES.
Still didn't read the article I see.
Where you would find this...............
You've lost the argument. Quit trolling.
I think the point of the article is that people in power at the time conspired to offer Chauvin and several others as sacrifices to the angry mob. It seems entirely likely that would be true to some degree, given the situation at the time.
I don't think that exonerates Chauvin entirely. He certainly should have used better judgment, at the very least.
What the seeded article shows is that backsided hindsight isn't always the truth. And the article (and political narrative) ignores a lot of cold, hard facts.
Someone called the police. Chauvin didn't just show up on a whim; someone reported a crime and requested the police. George Floyd wasn't an accidental bystander the police targeted at random. The police were notified that George Floyd was a perp. And whoever called the police also has a right to police protection and justice.
The facts are George Floyd resisted the police who were responding to a call. How many minutes did George Floyd resist? And why isn't George Floyd responsible for his own actions that resulted in his death?
I cannot believe that people still defend this indefensible bullshit!
Wow blaming the victim for the cop who murdered him.
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Why not, people still think Michael Brown had his hands up.
Or call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer for the excellent job of pest control in Kenosha.
He could have been literally near death when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck, but a victim's vulnerability and health at the time he's assaulted does NOT NEGATE THE EVENT THAT BROUGHT AN END TO HIS LIFE, IN THIS CASE, NINE MINUTES OF THE KNEE OF A POLICE OFFICER ON HIS NECK! Calling it "asphyxiation" without STIPULATING THAT AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH, THE ASPHYXIATION WAS PRECIPITATED BY EXCESSIVE FORCE IMPOSED UPON A HANDCUFFED VICTIM IS AN INTENTIONAL MISREPRESENTATION AND OMISSION OF A CRUCIAL DETAIL!
If an individual with a weak heart dies of a heart attack that occurred at the moment he was struck by a car driven by a drunk driver, THE DRUNK DRIVER Is STILL GUILTY OF VEHICULAR HOMICIDE!
Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer who killed unarmed protesters
Some folks will never, ever get over the fact that Rittenhouse was found not guilty. Strangely enough, the ones doing the most whining about him over the years are some of the same folks who are cheering on courts in Trump cases.
Maybe you should read up on the case.
When does his sentence start?
People also still deny the undeniable
But he didn't FUCKING DIE FROM ASPHYXZIATION. From the autopsy.
The knee it has been shown was more on the shoulder.
Maybe you should read the case within which the judge would not allow the prosecution to refer to the dead individuals as "victims" … did you watch the trial? It was televised.
Oh! Well then that’s that!
Another dismissive comment despite the very specific rebuttals to your clear willingness to accept what suits desired conclusion,
There’s no discussing here, just a take it or leave it one way street.
The question you won’t answer is, “what was happening at the moment of George Floyd’s death.”
His heart gave out from overexertion and the drugs, especially the fentanyl. The cops knee on his shoulder area did not contribute to his death. There is no physical evidence his airway was blocked. Your denial of reality is not a virtue.
He was correct, they were the aggressors and not very smart to attack a man with a firearm. It seems Liberals have this mindset that you should just submit to the criminals and let them due what they want.
No you and yours here denial of reality is not a virtue. It's PD&D + delusion.
It truly is sad that right-wing blogosphere (and media) needs to always have its say about liberal life! The fact is whatever (excuse) you want to give it---the COURTS, which conservatives value went it suits their purposes, has ruled and REFUSED to entertain any appeal or higher court considerations of Mr. Chauvin's murder case for which he received 22 plus years. Moreover, it is telling that once again some conservatives are stirring around in old shit, because they refuse to accept that other people can be trusted to find fact-based truth apart from speculation, "\wonderment" outloud, and resistance to a conservative agenda. The case has been decided. The 'perp' is in prison. Barring any new FACTS that change the circumstances (Officer Chauvin's foot on the neck of George Floyd) it will not be heard in court again.
Just. Let. It. Go! But then, letting liberals "own" their interests IS the problem, eh?
Say, here's an idea.
Let's pretend that the left-wing blogosphere (and media) don't do the same exact thing!
Moderate/Liberals (with any sense anyway) don't want to waste their lives opposing conservatives. Some conservatives, in any case, or a 'thousand' times worse in nearly every category of busy-ness about getting and keeping shit going. . . and not changing the rules for another group/organization/race benefit.
This attempt at "whataboutism" fails, because of the above.
Then why do they?
What is really funny is that conservatives aren't in charge of the country, Democrats (liberals) ARE.
So you are complaining about conservatives when it isn't them making these rules.
Some conservatives are a nuisance minority with political power that is hard to explain how it is achieved and maintained. . .but it is there and it is what it is. And conservatives control whole states, plural, politically—Through hook or crook. And I need not mention the House of Representatives for you can see which party is in control there just as easy as you can see which party controls the Senate!
wow, isn't it amazing the minority can accomplish so much while the majority accomplishes so little.
It's called gerrymandering. And, although both parties do it - some conservatives do it to a 'thousand' degree more when in power while liberals would gladly legislate gerrymandering out of existence all things being equal.
Then either you don't know what majority means and or trying to blame gerrymandering for the Dems majority
Um, no. When a politicians first job after winning an election is to determine what he/she must do next to be re-elected, neither party will give up on gerrymandering when they are the majority party in the state when it's time to redraw the district lines. That you can basically condemn one party for this action while excusing the other only shows your extreme partisanship.
Disgusting far right excuse making.
The cop kneeled on Floyds neck for nine minutes, even though for a good part of that time Floyd was saying he couldnt breathe. There were at least three cops there , and Floyd was not being violent prior to putting him on the ground.
Now we hear he had heart disease, as if that were a factor exonerating the cop. Disgusting.
So you can dispute it. Lets see the links for that. You know like:
Transcript of officer's body camera shows George Floyd told officers 'I can't breathe' before being restrained
The defense of the indefensible - the murder of Chauvin by this hateful scum - is deplorable.
Haste makes waste. Chauvin didn't get murdered................Floyd did supposedly
My mistake.
Thanks for admitting that Chauvin murdered Floyd.
Floyd was murdered by the hateful scum racist cop Chauvin
Learn to read....
On May 31, 2020, Sweasy said Baker shared the results of toxicology tests with prosecutors, which showed that Floyd, 46, had a "fatal level of fentanyl" in his blood, along with methamphetamine.
Floyd also had COVID and severe "arteriosclerotic heart disease," with one artery 75% obstructed, and "hypertensive heart disease."
See 2.2.3
See 2.2.4
Just needed repeating.
Wait. Weren't we all told that this second "autopsy" found the MRT was the cause of death?
Without even seeing it? LMAO
And nobody questioned that little factoid.
Caused by a knee on his neck … ASPHYXIATION - the state or process of being deprived of oxygen, which can result in unconsciousness or death; A KNEE ON ONE'S NECK FOR ALMOST NINE MINUTES WILL SO DEPRIVE AN INDIVIDUAL OF OXYGEN … DUH!
Which was not true ...DUH!
Autopsy reports state otherwise and body cam video shows otherwise.
Did you not read the article? DUH!
Man READ................
It was closer to 10 minutes and that's murder.
Gee, whatever happened to "Follow the science" mantra?
Oh come on. We all know "follow the science" only applies when it meets certian narratives. And this isn't one of those narratives.
"Follow the science" was only applicable when it related to NIH/CDC/NIAID/Fauci Covid lockdown junk science as a means to create fear in order to control the populace.
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On May 31, 2020, Sweasy said Baker shared the results of toxicology tests with prosecutors, which showed that Floyd, 46, had a "fatal level of fentanyl" in his blood, along with methamphetamine.
No shit. So, he was a drug addict and a thug.
And we have two systems of justice.
All that violence which was tolerated over fucking George Floyd.
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That is the correct phrase.
Two dozen people were killed in your peaceful protests!
Can't forget about the $1–2 billion in damages.
Frey, Ellison and Walz all won re-election. Arradondo retired early. None of them has been held to account.
And for our critical thinkers asking who "they" are:
THAT"S WHO THEY ARE!
It doesn't matter how this gets spun politically. A man is still dead and another is still in prison.
It appears wrongfully in prison.
Because everyone should be equally treated with deadly force, and if their health status can’t handle it then fuck ‘em? How about if the people we pay to protect us stop needlessly gambling with our lives?
According to the autopsy and body cam there was no evidence "deadly force" used. Did you not read the article?
If this really is 'new' evidence then we have a process for that.
How about you don't to something stupid and tempt fate? Don't be a fool.............It isn't the shooting range and the county fair. Cops aren't hunting people down for the fun of it. It is the direct and opposite reaction to a stupid action.
Well, he’s dead after literally telling the murderer that they were killing him in real time. No amount of spinning, wish thinking, and alternative facts can change that.
People who do stupid shit deserve appropriate response. A eight minute knee on the neck of a man who is actively pleading that they are dying is not an appropriate response for his stupid shit.
Your opinion.........and he was stating he couldn't breathe prior to being restrained. May have had something to do with the fatal amount of fentanyl/methamphetamine in his body
If you paid attention to this from the start and not run with the narrative, this ISN'T new evidence as the article points out. Maybe reading the article would help.
The article states otherwise. As well as a link in 2.1.
Yes, it is my opinion that it is wrong to kneel on the neck of someone who is telling you that their death is imminent. Mine and every fucking moral and ethical person on this planet. [deleted]
And nobody is disputing that.
The side that the evidence shows there was no knee on the neck or evidence thereof.
That's not true.
Instead of relying on what somebody told somebody that told somebody that told you, a quick google search would have given you the autopsy report:
Imagine that. Nothing you claim in is in the autopsy report.
From sandy's source....................
I'll go with the signed report over "fact checkers" playing a game of Telephone.
A whole group of bystanders weren’t just witnessing this murder, they are on film telling Chauvin to get off of the man who was unresponsive. Chauvin just stayed on top of him, even after he lost consciousness, not even attempting to provide aid - making him a murderer.
So you honestly expect me to believe what some schmuck with a cell phone saw instead of what a licensed medical examiner saw. Sorry. not going to happen.
It's not new. Sounds like ignorant defense of the indefensible by some crackpot I'm sure.
Think Michael Brown...............without the cell phone
Correct. It has always been there. Some had their own version..............as we can see here
That's exactly what it is, plain and simple, murder. This defense of a murderer is deplorable. Victim blaming at it's finest.
Nah, this is just victim blaming for the racist scumbag cop who murdered Floyd.
Same deal with Michael Brown.
This is the alternate reality victim blaming version.
It appears that nothing in this 'article' is true - in one of the first paragraphs it says something about 'taking down trump' which has what to do with Chauvin murdering Floyd????????????
Chauvin still murdered Floyd despite the attempts by this garbage article about this garbage documentary which is merely victim blaming and excusing the murderer Chauvin.
People making rash decisions based on wrong information and what others told them to believe.
Exactly. People running around with their OPINION of what happened denying the facts of what really happened. Just like you are doing.
So prove them wrong.
Remember, the narrative was that was exactly what they accused law enforcement of doing during the riots.
Related but not for what the article is claiming. It is an example of the process playing out. His lawyers can file a new appeal if they think it necessary citing whatever bullshit is being spun in the article.
Some shmuck with a cell phone? How about several witnesses with cell phones and eyeballs? You take the phrase “who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes” to a whole new level of retard.
So you do honestly expect me to believe what some schmuck with a cell phone saw instead of what a licensed medical examiner saw.
Try as many times as you want. Not changing the facts.
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You mean the bullshit stuff like facts the original judge didn't allow to be presented? Like, the actual cause of death, the authorized use of MRT?
There's a link to the copy of the death certificate, Jeremy.
In 7.1.13 is the link to the autopsy report.
You conveniently left out the very first section of the autopsy report, which gives the cause of death as reported on the death certificate, because that's how death certificates work.
I didn't conveniently leave anything out, it's a link to the entire report. You all claimed the cause of death was because of a "knee on the neck" and the autopsy report reflects no injuries to support that claim.
Funny how the medical examiner agrees with us, isn't it?
And funny how the autopsy says things you claim it didn't say.
Like what for instance?
You mean the Michael Brown who stole from a convenience store and assaulted the store owner?
You mean the Micheal Brown who assaulted a police officer in his car and attempted to take his firearm?
You mean the Micheal Brown who's case was looked at by Barrack Obama's attorney general and found no crime by the officer, that Michael Brown.
Like what. And be specific.
Jeremy said there was no evidence deadly force was used.
The medical examiner disagreed.
"Deadly force" is any force that leads to death. It does not necessarily mean beating a man or crushing his trachea. It can easily NOT result in trauma at the area where force is applied. Positional asphyxiation is a thing. People can literally die from being restrained in the wrong position for too long. The position in which Floyd was restrained, in addition to pressure on EITHER his neck or torso, prevented adequate cardiopulmonary function.
The seeded story and the film, and the book it is based on, are all "spins" on the facts for the purpose of exonerating the cops. There is nothing "new" there , it is just rehash with a spin. [[Deleted]]
Well I think we all know that isn't going to happen. I look at it as an informative documentary of what went on that day. That is where all of you naysayers have the whole reason for seeding this wrong. It isn't to clear anyone. Not my intent. What it is is the rest of the story. Unfortunate things happened that day and right or wrong, the officers are paying the price for letting it get so out of hand that they felt unusual tactics needed to be enlisted. And YES the tactic they used was IN the training manual so don't deal that shit hand again. Too many negative things happened. In the end, all are or have been paying that price. Including, unfortunately, the deceased. As stated elsewhere, Mr. Floyd became his own worst enemy that day.
If you payed ANY attention, you'd have seen I quoted the Autopsy report I linked. So far you're failing in your claim in 7.1.39.
You neglected (or purposely omitted) that it was legal by MDP Policy and training. You also leave out that EMS was called 36 seconds after Floyd was on the ground.
It could be either one. Had deniers watched the documentary before opining, they would have known that your facts are included.
The problem is they have run for so long with the wrong information, that to recant it now would only mean embarrassment. But at the same time, continuing to run with the wrong information is just as embarrassing.
Thanks for the link to the video.
Thank you John for providing the truth like A. Mac below.
While simultaneously denying its conclusions.
Which is EXACTLY what this POS article is trying to do.
I didn't deny anything. I just didn't go with your wrong information and narrative.
You mean like the knee on the neck, he died from asphyxia and bullshit like that?
Of course you did. Saying that there's no evidence deadly force was used denies the conclusions of the medical examiner, who stated that he died as a result of cardiopulmonary arrest as a result of neck compression and subdual.
I didn't deny it. I quoted the medical examiners report. Then I linked it for the rest of the information in 7.1.13. Or did you miss that in your rants? See if I were going to omit something why would I link the entire report?
Is the conclusion not part of the autopsy report?
You denied the medical examiner's conclusion, Jeremy. If you express disagreement with it, you're denying it. That's how English works.
And while you're making fun of folks for believing "schmucks with cell phones", you'd have us accept your explanation of Floyd's cause of death despite the fact that 1) you didn't perform the autopsy and 2) you don't know how to perform an autopsy, anyway. Is the medical examiner just a "schmuck with a scalpel?"
So, let me get this straight, you're upset because what I linked and quoted isn't what you want to hear. I never claimed anything outside of that link and I'm not going to.
Oh no!!!!!! I said mean things!!!!!! The horror!!!!
The difference in all this, is that I linked the report. Not what somebody heard from somebody that heard from somebody that heard from somebody then copied and pasted here on NT. No, I'm not a Medical Examiner. But I do know how to read and use comprehension skills and the ability to keep emotions separate when reading official reports. So when a Medical Examiner states
I have no reason to doubt them. And usually not swayed by the public opinion.
Not upset. Amused at the double standard.
The double standard only exists in your head. I never denied anything or tried to push what wasn't proven. Those like yourself on the other hand...
It is possible to kill someone without damaging the tissues listed. Therefore, the lack of injury and bruising is not proof that the George Floyd was not murdered.
I find the contention that Chauvin did not have his knee on Floyd's neck preposterous. We can all see where his knee was for an extended time.
We can all see your words, Jeremy. Own them.
I do "own them". Its your comprehension of them that is lacking.
That would be something you need to take up with the Medical Examiner. I'm sure all your years of experience in that field can persuade him that things aren't what they appear to be.
Funny you say that, when you're the one who is denying the medical examiner's conclusions (and subsequently denying that you're denying them).
I linked them. Why would I have issue with something I linked? Unless I'm not sticking to the narrative and THAT is rubbing you wrong.
You linked them, denied the conclusions, then said Thomas has an issue with them, instead of yourself, when you have an obvious issue with them. Do you have the experience as an ME that Thomas lacks?
As I told you in 7.1.42:
To which you failed to do. The only thing you have done is flap your lips. So. Lets try this again:
Like what. And be specific.
Liz Collin (New York Post) Miranda Devine … as a retired newspaper editor, I found it necessary to always consider SOURCES.
In 2002, Devine opined in the Sydney Morning Herald that the racial element of the Sydney gang rapes had been "airbrushed" out of the media coverage of the events. She stated that the victims alleged that prosecutors had intentionally "censored" their official statements to remove any mention of racially sensitive material. [11] Devine has also been accused by The Guardian and The Sydney Morning Herald of promoting the white genocide conspiracy theory and has been described as pivotal in popularising the concept within Australian politics.
Shoot that messenger!!!
If the messenger has a biased agenda then by all means, "Fire!"
Proof, prior to loading, should be SOP lest one gets charged with character assassination........
You'll need more ammo.
I guess all one needs to do is claim, "Fake news" or "Lamestream Media" or whatever bullshit the right comes up with for their "alternate facts"?
That does generally help, but in these days of 'alternative facts' it doesn't often get anyone to pay anymore attention than without it.
You're surely not overlooking all the bias at places like NBC or CNN or the absolutely raving bias at places like MSNBC, Huffington Post, or NYT.
I'm not. And I'm not overlooking those here that shout that out every day. I'm also not overlooking the current propensity of posting Opinion pieces as News. When the NYT went from pushing news articles to opinion pieces (and chastising their own journalists for pointing it out) I figured the whole system was heading to the shithouse.
Confirmation bias is problem that propagandists are banking on.
My father spent a 40 year career in the newspaper business. He and all his buddies are rolling in their graves at the lack of impartiality from every direction these days.
IIt seems you're easily susceptible to brainwashing...
So, let me get this straight. You can't refute any part of the article so you want to attack the source? [deleted]
Bottom line…the death, the ensuing chaos, and this silly exercise could have and should have been prevented. If only those entrusted to ‘protect and serve’ had actually taken that responsibility to heart.
I am glad I read to the end before posting nearly the same comment - yours being much more eloquent than mine would have been. : )
Chauvin was in the wrong, was it murder .. perhaps not, but his actions assisted in the end result .. Floyd's death. Floyd very well may have dropped dead that day without assistance from Chauvin, but we will never know.
Peace....
It was murder.
I don't think he would have dropped dead otherwise that day. Kneeling on someone's neck for 9 minutes is murder, no matter how you try to equivocate.
Never happened.
Prove it. Autopsy found No life-threatening injuries.
No VISIBLE life threatening injuries! A restricted trachea could be the cause of asphyxiation without any resultant indications after the fact. The trauma of the officer’s act itself certainly contributed to respiratory failure.
Where in the death cert autopsy was there ANYTHING about a restricted trachea?
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Did you miss where the autopsy report says
Now show a screen shot from the body cam video.
Not a chance............
I know it won't happen. But if they are going to show screen shots from some schmucks phone then they can show screen shots from the body cam video.
I saw all the body cam video of his arrest that is in the movie. Those videos dont justify what happened to Floyd.
Does a phone know it is owned by a schmuck? I thought all they do is take pictures and videos no matter who owns them.
You mean it doesn't fit what you have been told to believe?
I saw the body cam video that is in the movie. It doesnt justify what happened to Floyd. He resisted arrest the same way a protester at a peace rally resists arrest, by refusing to be moved. How in the world did this lead to kneeling on his neck for nine minutes? George Floyd got on these cops bad side with his constant talking and complaining.
Kneeling on his neck when he was already handcuffed and down on the ground was sadism.
According to the autopsy report there were no life-threatening injuries identified. So you'll need to find another excuse.
I watched the body cam videos. There is nothing in there that justified kneeling on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes. THAT is the point. It was sadism.
Did you miss the "no life-threatening injuries identified" in the autopsy report?
Absolutely.
I'm not sure it's fair to talk about "those" (plural). I'm also not sure "hearts" have much to do with it.
Chauvin didn't want to kill Floyd. He didn't set out to injure him in any way. He made a series of terribly egregious misjudgments, including using excessive restraining techniques and failing to believe Floyd's cries of distress.
So I don't buy the whole 'if only they cared more' line of thinking. Yeah, one guy fucked up in a big way. But the idea that these people as a group work overtime hours for bullshit pay in one of the most dangerous jobs in America while they simultaneously don't take "protect and serve to heart" is a lot of nonsense.
Well said, Jack.
The fact remains too many suspects or perpetrators are injured or tragically killed in the process of being apprehended, approached, or even while in custody. It is sadly another uniquely and unfortunate American anomaly.
There cannot be too thorough a hiring process, too expansive a training program, and a less apologetic union presence.
Let us ensure our right to due process is respected…whenever, wherever and whoever is involved. Appreciate your input.
I agree. I do think that's every LEO's 3rd worst nightmare, behind getting killed themselves or losing a fellow officer. Unfortunately, people being arrested don't always cooperate. I do believe we could improve that situation with training and additional support, but I also understand that all gets expensive. But if it was an easy problem, it would have been solved by now.
Got a question ..
Do you think civilians should be more involved in the hiring of / firing of officers? Unions are a powerful bulwark that for the most part has every officers back. The more blatant offenses involving an officer's action are dealt with 'ish, but how many slip through the cracks?
I am pro cop .. when I was a very young 'adult' I lived with a cop 17 years my senior .. I got to see the world of law enforcement from a different perspective .. but even in a smaller town/city there are non-rule following officers [which other officers have a problem with], and they can get promoted to their highest level of incompetence which usually eventually means they end up in supervisory roles...
Curious minds need input : )
“I am pro cop ..”
As am I.
Cannot imagine heading to work knowing that it my be for last time. And the overwhelming majority do it well.
However, when the inevitable does happen, I think every judicial district should have a board in place with stakeholders from the community charged with reviewing the incident, with all involved given the opportunity to testify before any recommendations are referred for prosecution. Dash cams and body cams should be mandatory and provided by the state, if they aren’t already, for the protection and confirmation of the evidence. The state should also provide continuing and comprehensive in-service training toward incident prevention and de-escalation.
No one, no one…wants another tragedy. Time and money and energy is always better spent being proactive. One only need peruse this seed to see how counterproductive it is being reactionary.
Putting ‘soapbox’ away for the night.
…peace all around…
thats a pretty big mistake
I agree that continued training is a noble pursuit, and should be mandatory for all police officers, but one must also remember that parents had 18 years at a minimum to train their children to not be douchebag thugs who can't follow simple instructions from law enforcement officers. the parents in most of these cases failed at this simple task.
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Thanks for your input, I cannot argue with you, as you covered all bases.
P.s... Soapbox loves a good run, take her out anytime - just remember to lock the stall things can get crazy when she gets out 'unsupervised.' : )
Huge. No doubt. But still a mistake. He didn't set out to kill George Floyd, and if he had realized what he was doing in time he would have stopped.
I don't suggest he escape the consequences for his actions, but I do think it is wholly inaccurate to describe LEOs generally as indifferent to their oaths.
I'm sure he didnt intend to kill Floyd, he knew the bystanders were videoing it and it would have been suicidal, so to speak, for him to cause Floyd's death under those circumstances.
His problem is that Floyd did die, and Chauvin had no reason or justification for kneeling on the man's neck.
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Exactly. Agree 100%
Obviously Mr. Floyd passed, which was very sad.
As far as "no justification", I don't know enough about what standard operating procedure was or how these guys were trained or any number of other factors that may have influenced the outcome of the situation.
You may be right, there may have been no justification at all, but I think that's obviously easier to see in hindsight. In any case, his better judgment surely should have kicked in before it did.
There appears to be some inconsistency between what police officials said at trial and what is actually the case with regard to training and operating procedures. It's not hard to imagine public officials panicking and throwing other people under the bus to save their own necks.
Life is like a penis... often hard for no real reason.
Tasteless and low class and not funny.
You would know all about that.
Well, you’ve got me there, I never tasted one.
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At one point, George Floyd was inside the squad car. Chauvin or one of the other cops did not take Floyd out of the squad car. Floyd fought his way out.
Bottom line ... If Floyd had stayed inside the squad car none of this would have happened.
There were four cops on the immediate scene and George Floyd was handcuffed behind his back. Four cops could not control a handcuffed man to the extent that they had to put him face down on the pavement and then kneel on his neck?
To Chauvin, Floyd was an animal who got what he deserved.
That's it exactly John yet still people endlessly defend this indefensible murder.
You, failed to acknowledge what led up to him being placed on the ground. When you decide to be honest, we might be able to have a conversation
Hey Razing .. have you watched the documentary?
I just watched it, def worth watching. When the trial was in progress, I watched it in its entirety - Wish I had known then what was brought to light in this video - actually that should read 'I wish the trial would have represented more accurately the complete picture.'
I do still believe that Chauvin's actions expedited the death of George Floyd, yet I no longer believe the sum of the charges brought against him were warranted .. if I remember correctly Chauvin was charged with 3 different counts, 2 counts of murder and unintentional manslaughter [found guilty of all three] - I now believe that the unintentional manslaughter charge should have been what the jury deliberated on, not all three charges. The other 3 officers probably should not be in prison.
Just my thoughts... I do not take changing my mind lightly, and I do not do it often - sort of stubborn that way, but in this case the charges were overkill.
Okay, now I am putting Soapbox back in the stall....
Peace....
What is the complete picture you think the trial didnt show?
First tell me ... Did you watch the trial? Did you watch the documentary?
I watched parts of the trial, I didnt watch all of it. I watched all of the movie that dealt with Floyd's arrest.
If you can, tell me what justified kneeling on Floyds neck?
This question is also connected to the charges brought against the other officers.
As I see it, the justification that the cops assert is that "Floyd was being a pain the ass to us and by putting him on the ground and kneeling on him we made it plain we didnt like that".
So, you did watch 'The Fall of Minneapolis'?
So, you did not watch 'The Fall of Minneapolis'?
As I said, I watched the beginning of it that was nothing but the bodycam footage. About 20 minutes.
Tell us why kneeling on Floyds neck was justified.
The documentary is an hour and a half long. .. if you do not watch it, you do not have all of the information.
There is never justification for anyone to put a knee on the neck of another individual, that said I no longer feel that Chauvin committed murder - he is guilty of manslaughter.
There is nothing new in this movie that wasnt brought up at the trial.
How do you know since you admitted “I watched parts of the trial”?
Tell me what you think is new.
Then we will see who is right or wrong.
You obviously can’t be the judge if you did not watch the whole thing and rather depended upon “analysis” from your “sources”. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.
You seem to think there is new information in the movie that exonerates Chauvin and the others. What is it?
Things are not always what they seem. Try again.
I'm saying there is, like in all cases such as this, a lesson to be learned. Don't fuck with a cop when he asks/tells/commands you do something. You know, something as simple as rolling down your fucking window, or stepping out of the fucking vehicle (to quote the video). To quote Sue Myrick, "If you're not doing something wrong, what's your problem".
And spare us the "if this was a white guy it never would have gone down like that" bullshit. It happens. You are so hung on race that you can't see the forest for the trees.
How very authoritarian.
And it doesn't necessarily keep one from getting shot.
Did you read the part where the 9-1-1 call reported a man with a gun? Granted it was a toy truck but the cop was full of adrenaline thinking he was going into a hot situation.
Let me know how you come out on your next traffic stop, when you do just the opposite of what the LEO is asking you to do. You know. Kind of a humanitarian public service to our fellow members.
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Did you read the part where the cop didn't even shoot the guy whom he thought had a gun, but the caregiver who had his hands in the air?
Just doing what you're told doesn't necessarily keep you safe.
The cop was full of adrenaline? So what? We expect them to be able to handle those situations with good judgment, and not go in guns blaring, shooting first (sometimes shooting completely innocent victims), and asking questions later. If people keep excusing them for shooting innocent victims, they will naturally not be trusted to not shoot innocent victims, and nobody will follow their orders.
Did you miss the 6th paragraph that states:
Or did you just see a headline and run with it?
So, no real abuttal for the FACT that doing what you're told doesn't always keep you safe from cops, other than snark? Noted.
Keep defending cops who shoot innocent bystanders because they're too hotheaded to stand down, and then wonder why people don't trust or obey cops.
Did you miss the part where the innocent man who was shot was trying to explain the situation to cops, who shot, anyway?
Do you want cops who can't shoot straight or judge when shooting is necessary to be armed? Seems unwise to me.
So no you didn't see the part I quoted from your article. Thanks for the verification.
No, I read and responded to it.
The cop shot when they shouldn't have, and shot the wrong guy, anyway.
Did doing as he was told keep the guy who was shot safe?
It did not.
Guess you missed this part in your article.............
He was trying to shoot the other guy NOT the guy doing the explaining. So Rios-Soto must have still been doing something to provoke the reaction.
You're on the wrong side of this one.
I seriously doubt he was told to throw his hands in the air and talk. But then again, there is the the quote in 9.4.23
George Floyd was handcuffed , behind his back, immediately after he stepped out of his car. He made no aggressive or questionable moves toward the police officers. The only thing he was doing was objecting to being arrested.
You seem to be saying, and in fairness to you there are many others that think the same, that if someone doesnt jump when a cop says how high, if they subsequently DIE at police hands they caused their own death. That is possible under certain circumstances, but this wasnt one of them. From the very start of this encounter George Floyd was clearly in some form of mental distress. Maybe it was as simple as he was high and paranoid, maybe it was because he was afraid of going to jail. Maybe it was because he actually didnt know why he was being arrested (he was arrested for passing a fake 20 dollar bill. Almost no one is arrested for passing a fake 20 dollar bill, as the store owner admitted. One reason for that is it is entirely possible that a person who passes a fake 20 dollar bill doesnt know it is fake.)
Other than the first few seconds, when he doesnt immediately put his hands on the steering wheel, Floyd does absolutely nothing to indicate he might be a threat to the cops. His "crime" in this situation is that he was mentally frantic and agitated and couldnt stop talking. And when they tried to push him into the squad car he resisted the push. So he was annoying these cops , lets say getting on their bad side. And for that he died.
George Floyd did nothing to deserve being placed face down on the ground with a knee on his neck. Oh wait, he annoyed and agitated the cops. That must be it.
Maybe Floyd shouldn't have been doing what he was doing.
The time to "object"(resist) to your arrest isn't when cops are trying to arrest you. As someone familiar with law enforcement, Floyd should have known better.
Doesnt matter. Floyd was no threat to these cops or anybody else. They could have easily at least tried to calm him down and see if he would get in the squad car on his own, but they didnt even try.
Explain to me how you know this, since you watched neither in its entirety?
Give us an example of a fact about the arrest of George Floyd that is in the movie but was not brought up at the trial.
Sez you.
Calm him down?
How? Why was he upset--because he got caught?
You watched a different film than I. He insisted that he had had Covid, that he couldn't breathe, and was claustrophobic. There was no way he was going to get into that vehicle. Bullshit excuses aside, he was more than likely afraid that if he did get in he was definitely headed back to jail.
BTW, nothing seems to have been discussed about the two others in the vehicle when approached. If you watch and listen, they started to walk away during the struggle. They were all sitting in the PARKED vehicle for several minutes before and during the officers approaching. Wonder what they were doing prior to being engaged? Perhaps some drugs? A drug deal? Why leave........and perhaps that is why he was hesitant to open the window. The evidence hadn't been completely hidden. Floyd took his time raising his right hand to the steering wheel as it was at his side and in front of the seat.
Matters not at this point, obviously but makes one wonder if, perhaps, the jury wasn't intimidated by the nature of the case and KNEW that if they didn't find a guilty verdict, there would be hell to pay in the streets and, more than likely, the chance personal harm would come to them and theirs.
The cops fucked up.
We always tell regular people that even if they make a mistake regarding law, they have to suffer the consequences. The cops here made big mistakes and are suffering the consequences.
I think that's fair.
But you've already said you don't think Floyd's killing was intentional. I dont know all the legal intricacies, but doesn't that make it manslaughter instead of murder?
I dont know the legal intricacies either. I presume the prosecutors considered manslaughter.
Maybe Chauvin got higher charges because he ignored all the signs, including witnesses who said Floyd looked like he was in very bad shape.
If they had him charged with manslaughter I would have been ok with that. That is up to the prosecutors and the judge.
Who is us? John, I have not been talking about the arrest of George Floyd, I have been talking about the charges levied at a police officer that I no longer think he is guilty of. Chauvin was convicted of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter ... I think second-degree manslaughter is a just charge. The other two charges were overkill and to prove a point.
The arrest of George Floyd is on George Floyd .. trying to pass off phony money, the 'crying don't shoot me' rather than listening - lieing about not being on / haven taken any drugs .. his resistance / obstructing a police officer while performing his/her duties .. Floyd was a big dude and noncompliance is a crime in and of itself, trust me I learned it firsthand. Floyd should never had died at the hand of a police officer; his crimes did not meet the requirements of the death penalty ... but everything escalated due to Floyd's actions, Chauvin made serious errors and a man died at his hands ... Hopefully officers will now be getting more training on de-escalating a situation such as the case with George Floyd.
I watched the video of George Floyd's take down many times .. 'we' were shown what fit a narrative that George Floyd was murdered. The city was burning because of that video before the autopsy results were in. Dr. Baden never examined Floyd's body; I have no clue how he came to the conclusions he did.
Did you know the city announced a settlement with George Floyd's family on the same day the jury was being selected in Chauvin's trial? .......... did you know the gal from the fire department /paramedic [not positive of her job title] filmed with her phone, told police what they should do, but never called 911, until after the ambulance picked up Floyd. I watched the trial and that detail slipped past me, Chauvin's attorney asked. I would have been on my phone if not calling 911, I would have at least been calling my squad buddies trying to figure out what was taking them so long to arrive on scene... I have no clue what made her or the martial arts guy an expert witness - albeit he was familiar with various holds due to martial arts training and both of them were witnesses. Not positive if martial arts guy called 911 or not, I may have to research that.
I reiterate that the death of George Floyd was expedited by Derek Chauvin, he caused his death, I cannot / do not argue that point - but I no longer believe that Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin.
I think it is also important to remember 2 officers at the scene had been on the job like a day .. they were puppies in training, dazed and confuses probably understates where their heads were at.
Sorry for writing a book! I am once again returning Soapbox safely to her stall.
Peace...
I'm going to say one more thing and then I'm going to leave this thread goodbye. You can have tyhe last word with me if you want.
I think Chauvin would only have gotten manslaughter except for his actions after he was kneeling on Floyds neck. As one of the bystanders yelled to him "you look like you are enjoying it." People were telling him that Floyd was in distress and he didnt get off his neck. Floyd yelled out 16 times , according to wikipedia, that he couldnt breathe, while Chauvin was on his neck. Thats an average of twice a minute. That is something Chauvin absolutely should have paid attention to. At one point Floyd said "you're killing me" and Chauvin told him to stop talking.
I dont know if any of that legally adds up to murder, but it seems possible that it did to the prosecutors.
One hole in that theory (if one can be pointed out), Floyd said he couldn't breathe SEVERAL times prior to the ground fiasco as well as I had Covid and I am claustrophobic. Ever hear of crying wolf and how once you do it so many times, it's hard to take it seriously.
You've got to be kidding. That was one of the weakest arguments in the movie.
Always the defense of the indefensible, it's so tiresome.
Opinions do vary
No, you are on the wrong side of this one, you just refuse to admit it and have to have the last word also.
The truth doesn't
I am not on the wrong side. Perhaps if you read past your pal's responses you would see that the gentleman waving his arms was shot accidentally by the cop trying to shoot the other man. Let me help you out even though you will still deny it in your usual fashion and predictable MO.
He was trying to shoot the other guy NOT the guy doing the explaining. So Rios-Soto must have still been doing something to provoke the reaction.
You know it makes me want to cry reading the description "I can't breathe", "please" and "mama" and all of the other pleading for his life and that everything hurts and "don't kill me" as those other thugs stood by and this sick fuck was obviously enjoying it - I don't care what the hell anyone says, this is murder goddamn it.
It's MURDER.
Yes, you are on the wrong side.
Have the last word.
It does indeed add up to murder.
Read the fucking report I posted for your edification.
Hard to take it seriously - that someone saying that they can't breathe and is pleading for their life???????????????????????????????????????????
WTF????????????????????????????????????????????????
No
So you're victim blaming. Got it. Like with Floyd and Brown.
He had done it several times already to no avail and was obviously unfortunately deemed bullshit as such.
Not victim blaming (another of your favorites). It was the cops fault for missing his intended target and hitting the innocent one. Get a fucking clue. He didn't intend to hit the one he did. FFS read and comprehend.
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I cant remember, did Chauvin say in defense at his trial that he thought Floyd was crying wolf? I doubt it, because it would have went over with the jury like a lead balloon.
Irrelevant and you are correct. He would have never admitted it in court even though he may have thought it at the time. Outcome being what it is, it is a moot point as Floyd still would have died no matter what Chauvin thought.
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He was trying to shoot the unarmed autistic guy and missed?
You think that's a defense?
No, I read it. I see it as further proof of his bad judgment.
Yes it’s a fucking defense. Turn off your virtue signaling button. He didn’t know at the time it was a fucking toy truck and not a goddamned weapon
It's disturbing that shooting the wrong guy when he didn't need to shoot anybody at all is somehow a defense in anyone's opinion.
It's an excellent reason to reject authoritarianism, in my opinion.
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Yes, he sees it as a goddamned fucking defense. Doesn't make a goddamned bit of fucking sense, but that's what he's doing.
Well said, Tessylo, fucking eh.
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The cop thought someone was in danger and shot. Hope you are never in that situation and need a cop to make a decision whether to take action or not . [Deleted]
Why the fuck would I do that?
It is quite disturbing Sandy and it seems that I cannot say that without getting my comments deleted unfairly or labeled incoherent filth
That's what this 'article' is.
Educational purposes
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Unfairly?!? When was the last time you offered an original thought? LMMFAO
One good thing came out of this, a drug abusing douchebag who abused women will no longer have the ability to do so. George Floyd being dead is the best outcome for his future victims.
Hear, hear!
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At least you are finally getting your copy and paste comments from a superior intellect, and not the ignorant source you were using before.
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Come on dude, don't be like they are, restore his comments.
I’m happy to get into some bare knuckle dialogue with you, [deleted]
I was asking them to allow your comments to stand, you get that right?
Chauvin died?
Thank you once again for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.
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“The Fall of Minneapolis”.Megyn Kelly is joined by Liz Collin and JC Chaix, producer and director of “The Fall of Minneapolis,” to discuss the deterioration of Minneapolis after George Floyd's death.
Liz Collin’s High School Classmate Reviews Her Stupid New Book
With sources like convicted murderer Derek Chauvin and his mother, the former WCCO-TV reporter serves up red meat to Alpha News junkies in 'They’re Lying.'
One could also take serious issue with her sourcing, which includes: convicted murderer Chauvin, plus the convicted murderer's mother Carolyn Pawlenty, imprisoned partner Thomas Lane, and failed defense attorney Eric Nelson, among other uniformly pro-cop voices. Collin’s writing gets lazy when she dumps phrases like “who knows how many” and “for whatever reason” in front of sentences. Several speeches and interviews are included verbatim, instead of accompanying analysis with pull quotes, and those sections function as filler.
Collin’s marriage to Bob Kroll, former union president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis and mustachioed chthonic avatar of police brutality, downgraded her career from WCCO darling to Alpha News right-wing shill.
Finally, the truth. Thanks A. Mac.
Truth about what? Has nothing to do with this article............at all except attacking the source as usual.............
The source has a clear conflict-of-interests and a history of bias.
Same rationale as that for judge’s recusals … conflicts of interest. Married to the president of the police union involved! Really?
Tough fucking shit. If you read, it is an opinion piece FFS. AND CHOCK FULL of evidence of bullshit basis for those fucking destructive, life ending, both death and dreams of those who had their lives destroyed by unprovoked, unprecedented burning and looting. Screw all the virtue signaling!!!
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Check 8.2 before deleting for so-called "personal attacks" … it's what I said … a one way street with every effort to sustain a desired conclusion.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH?
He was resisting arrest. And being hopped up on fentanyl and meth, probably not the best judge of what he should do. Especially since he didn’t want to go back to jail
No. He was on the ground. His hands were handcuffed behind his back and he had a police officer’s knee on his neck.
Correction shoulder
Derek Chauvin case finally over, SCOTUS rejects his appeal!
Correction, Jim.
Correction Mac. The ellipse is indicating his right shoulder
I think Mac knows that. What is your point?
So he just appeared on the ground out of thin air? You are going to ignore why police were there and everything that transpired before this point?
Point is, the cop is on his left. Surely you can see that..............or probably not
So what?
Mac is describing the photo. An argument for Chauvin is that he wasnt kneeling on Floyds neck, he was kneeling on his shoulder. In the picture we can see Floyds shoulder and Chauvin is not kneeling on it. Get it ?
Simple answer is yes, if that had been a white man the liberal democrats wouldn't have said a word, but because of the color of his skin democrats expect less from him, so the police need to adjust their behavior accordingly.
That is his right shoulder in the ellipse FFS. Chauvin is on his left! That means he is kneeling on his fucking left shoulder where he is positioned. He would have to be over the top of him and on both shoulders in your scenario for that one not to be pictured.
LOL. Was Floyds left should attached to the right side of his head? Chauvin is kneeling on the right side of Floyds body.
Your partisan vision is tricking you it seems. Floyd is face down. Therefore, Chauvin is positioned on his left side.
Sigh.....
Not even PolitiFact can cover up this expose.
Now the truth belongs to history.
Chauvins knee is brushing up against Floyds right ear. The bottom of his leg may have been in contact with Floyds left shoulder, but he was kneeling on the right side of Floyds neck.
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Because Floyd's head is turned to the right.
No shit ?
It seems that too many people want to ignore the fact that in 2020, the MPD's protocol allowed MRT.
The TRUTH. Thanks!
It seems too many people want to ignore the fact that this was MURDER.
How does your assumption correlate to what I stated in comment 11.3.24
Further, the MPD manual's protocol allowed MRT in 2020. Look it up. I did.
Why would I waste my time?
Does it allow murder?
Well, I cannot speak for your or anyone else's views of education, but I've learned that researching all aspects of a topic allows me to develop the skills to maturely discuss said topic in an educated, knowledgeable manner.
You're confusing murder with involuntary manslaughter. But the autopsy proved that this knee position didn't cause
Floyd's death.
It appears that if scientific/medical and legal evidence do not agree with left wing media pundits (USA Today, NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, etc), then that evidence is wrong.
I think it only fair that the mantra "Follow the science" becomes "Follow some science".
True. Or, "Follow the science" that (1) agrees with my political party, (2) agrees with what I've been indoctrinated to believe.
It's become difficult to find independent, educated, critical thinkers.
So it allows murder?
See how long you live when someone kneels on your NECK for over nine minutes.
It's MURDER
There is no truth to be found on this 'article' about this 'documentary' about the 'book'.
It's no expose.
It's victim blaming someone who was murdered by a racist cop.
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Yes, and Derek Chauvin has exhausted his last appeal all the way to the Supreme Court and will spend the next twenty one years in prison for murdering George Floyd. This has all probably prompted both this bullshit article and the far far rightwing frenzy we have seen hereabouts...
I mean "Officer" Chauvin LITERALLY had bystanders hinting, suggesting, recommending, and ultimately "demanding" although without touching the officer's person. . . "Take your knee off his neck - he WILL die." (Or, words to that effect.) And, Chauvin remained in his stance without letting up until the life (struggle beneath him by Floyd) visibly was out of the body of Mr. Floyd.
And we have people determined to look for "narratives" to fit and suit their some conservative agenda that LEOs can prejudge character and worth on the streets of any city without the aid of a judge.
Well, when a judge did get involved, a trial was held. . . decided. . . and no other judge or panel of judges or Supremes cared to support Mr. Chauvin's pretense of not knowing when a lifeforce is "flaming out" beneath himself.
Correction neck
A recent study ranks downtown Minneapolis as one of the worst post-pandemic recoveries. Minneapolis was 64th out of 66 US and Canadian cities surveyed by a University of Toronto study. Seattle was 63 and Portland 61.
I am sure most of the blame for that is corporate greed. Cities lost sales tax revenues as big retailers closed unsafe and unprofitable locations because of corporate greed (otherwise commonly referred to as fulfilling their fiduciary obligations to their shareholders).
The rest is just conservatives' fault.
The City Council had to approve a 6.5 percent increase in the property tax levy in 2023 and a 6.2 percent increase in 2024 to pay for their budget.
Property insurance rates climbed and there are still many uninhabitable buildings downtown. Only the LA riots in 1992 were more expensive.
Mary wouldn’t want to live in the Twin Cities now.
Social justice always carries a high price tag.
Besides, many of those office buildings are owned by big corporations or by very wealthy individuals. They can always be taxed more.
Actually, many were small businesses:
“We don’t have law and order’: Black and Latino business owners face destruction in Minneapolis”
Perhaps the city failure to stop the violence was one more example of the systemic racism in this blue city.
All true, but they can't exactly blame them when they need those votes, can they?
And evil, big corporations rank high on the righteousness meter, nearly on par with conservatives.
If she's black she sure wouldn't. As much as you like to call it a blue city, their police force is known to be very racist.
Mary Richards?
With Dem Mayors and City Council members and Dem DA's, how can that be.
Maybe incompetent Democrats are hiring Republicans to run things since they can't?
Perhaps it was lactic acidosis, remember, that’s what killed Santiago in Gitmo.
I watched the first 20 minutes or so of the documentary, which can be seen here
Alpha News documentary 'The Fall of Minneapolis' out now - Alpha News
The first 20 minutes is concerned entirely with Floyds arrest. There are cameras that show virtually the entire thing.
What struck me most was how frantic Floyd was, from the beginning. Not so much physically frantic as mentally frantic.
The first officer to confront him knocks on Floyds driver side window and immediately tells him get you fucking hands on the wheel. Nothing about what he was being stopped for. About five minutes pass before they even tell Floyd what he was being detained for ( trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill in a convenience store). From the get go the cops keep telling this obviously disturbed individual that he is resisting them, even though he was handcuffed behind his back immediately after he stepped out of his car. Even after Floyd is cuffed, there is never a calm moment in this interaction. They cross the street and tell him to get in the back seat of the squad. He says "I have claustrophobia" and they start shoving him into the squad car, and he mildly resists. And when I say mildly, remember he is handcuffed and had been searched for weapons. He just resists being pushed into the squad car, and it doesnt appear they ever got him completely in . Then he is pulled out of the car and put on the ground , stomach down. That is the end of the 1st 20 minutes of the film.
I see nothing in this footage that shows Floyd was any threat at all to these cops. What he was was distraught and "unco-perative". If the cops had been more calm and given Floyd a couple minutes to see if he could compose himself, the whole tragedy may have been avoidable. But because he was mentally and verbally agitated they became more agitated themselves.
I'm not sure why the filmmakers think this footage exonerates the cops. The movie also makes a thing about Floyd saying his mother recently died (this was 2020) when his mother actually died in 2018. (Wow, some gotcha there).
Cops get worn down by all the crazy shit they have to deal with, and begin to feel like they have to behave like they do in this footage in order to deal with the day to day.
IMO this was very unacceptable police conduct. Floyd could have and should have been handled in another way .
You forgot to mention that he was kicking the cops. You also forgot to mention that the cops found a drug pipe in his pocket and that his saliva found in the cop vehicle had remnants of narcotic drugs. Oh, and that he said "I can't breathe" long before Chauvin had him on the ground.
You also forgot to mention that Chauvin's use of MRT was approved protocol by the Minneapolis police department at that time.
One more thing: the cops called for EMT in 36 seconds.
All of the above facts are detailed in the first 30 minutes of "The Fall of Minneapolis".
I watched it. He was kicking the cops after he was put on the ground handcuffed behind his back. He couldnt have even stood up on his own. He was no threat to the police at that point (or at any point during this arrest).
Why would it matter if he was in the vehicle or on the ground? The bottom line is that he was still resisting arrest by assaulting the cops with his feet.
Really? Maybe what you watched was different than the documentary I watched. He was able to walk while handcuffed until he realized that his lies weren't going to work. That's when he deliberately started "falling" to the ground and was told several times to stand up while 2 officers were holding his arms.
I'll handcuff you behind your back and lay you on the ground. Then we'll see if you can get up without help.
LOL
You are basically admitting the cops threatened Floyd with death.
Okay. Roll over on my back, sit up, and stand up. Easy shit you learn in junior high wrestling.
Were your hands handcuffed behind your back at the time while you were face down in the concrete?
How convenient the footage ends before you see the murderer with his knee on the man's neck for over 8 minutes.
How many minutes of the documentary did you watch? John said he watched only 15 minutes.
I'll venture a guess she watched 0 minutes.
And he still missed important information.
Why would I waste my time on that garbage?
So I was right. You didn't watch the video and are running with false information.
Well, that was easy!
You thought it wouldn't be?
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We continue to learn about how we were lied to by our government. Here we had a Police Chief immediately call in the FBI and then lied about his own police officers. We also found out things that logical people might have suspected, such as the Minneapolis Police being ordered to do nothing during the riots that followed. We had the autopsy altered to foster the left's favorite narrative. Now we know that had Floyd simply died at home that day, the cause of death would have been a drug overdose.
I think that a legitimate government would rightly demand that the family of George Floyd return the money it was awarded.
The crime Floyd committed that led directly to his death was the crime of agitating and aggravating the cops that arrested him. Because he wouldnt shut up they shut him up. I dont see anything in the videos that would cause someone to kneel on this mans neck. Yes he was physically resisting being arrested , as much as someone whose hands are handcuffed behind his back can resist. For that they put him face down on pavement and kneeled on his neck until he went unconscious and later died. People say maybe he died of a heart attack. Maybe having the side of your face squashed into the pavement while a 200 pound cop kneels on your neck gave him the heart attack.
The movie makes much of the fact that the police called for an ambulance , - but then the cops didnt wait for it. They had Floyd on the ground, on his stomach , handcuffed , with four cops standing over him. What precipitated the kneel on the neck? It seems that was because Floyd , laying on the ground "kicked" at one of the cops.
He was on the ground, he was under control. Kneeling on his neck was sadism.
Floyd had heart trouble, covid and was high on drugs. Combine that with committing crimes and you have the reason for his death. All the Minneapolis cops were trained to use the method that Chauvin used. The Police Chief lied when he said he didn't recognize it. He immediately called the FBI for a local case and that is when we had all of the lying and reframing of what happened. A lot of good people left the police force. The citizens of Minneapolis have suffered greatly and if they keep electing people like Frey, Ellison and Walz: I can only hope they keep suffering.
His crime that day was passing a bad 20 dollar bill. I bet you could count all the people who died in police custody after passing a bad 20 dollar bill on one finger.
He could have died in his sleep with his various conditions. Doing stupid stuff made death inevitable.
And his lack of cooperation. But lets ignore that little fact.
Oh, he didn’t cooperate? Well then, kill him for sure.
Sad as it is, that is what they think.
You read the autopsy report. No. Life. Threatening. Injuries.
Upset the facts don't like up with the narrative?
According to the medical examiner who performed his autopsy , George Floyd’s death was caused by cardiopulmonary arrest that occurred during “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression” 1 2 . The Hennepin County medical examiner’s office ruled Floyd’s death was a homicide caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest” complicated by “restraint, and neck compression” while he was being subdued by police 3 .
The medical examiner also testified that Floyd’s heart disease and drug use contributed to his death, but they were not the direct cause 2 4 . Floyd had hypertensive heart disease, meaning his heart weighed more than it should, and this meant his heart needed more oxygen than a normal heart and was “limited in its ability” to provide more oxygen when there was a demand for it 2 . In the midst of an altercation and being held to the ground, adrenaline would pour into the body, making the heart beat faster 2 .
I hope this information helps.
Not playing "I heard from somebody who heard from somebody who heard from somebody. I'll go with the autopsy report linked in 7.1.13.
The seeded article is dishonest in claiming that newly released body cam video exonerates Chauvin. The fact is that the body cam footage was used at the trial and the jury rejected it.
When you can show the full 8-9 minutes focused on the knee and it is firmly planted the full time on the neck, you may have a case. One point in time, the photos thus far posted here, are just that. One moment in time.
Key words............How much of the 8-9 minutes were "made available to him" and was any of it overlapping from a different viewpoint?
Derek Chauvin is rightfully in prison for the murder of George Floyd, an he will rightfully remain there. The Supreme Court told him to go fuck himself. Racists across America can cry all they want about the white guy who didn’t get away with murdering the unseemly black man, but it will change nothing.
You need to watch the documentary. I just watched the first 25 minutes of it and it is very telling what went on that fateful day. The rest I will watch tonight. Had he not gotten paranoid and LISTENED to the officer(s) to begin with, NONE of this would have, nor did it need to, happen. 8 times told to "get out of the car". As many times told to "show me your fucking hands". He worked himself up into a frenzy. Even a bystander told him to cool down or he was going to die of a heart attack. He stated several times he couldn't breathe while they were trying to get him into the squad SUV. At this point, unfortunately, he was his own worst enemy. Did he deserve to die..............HELL NO.
I have said Floyd was very agitated. The fact that he "did not listen" to the cops is not material to what happened to him.
If he doesn't resist, if he doesn't act like a stupid fucking thug, if he follows the lawful directions of the police he doesn't end up dead. that is also a fact.
The FUCK it isn't.....................
This is hopeless. They see what they want to see. The truth is everything that is alleged (about the arrest and death) in the article was adjudicated at Chauvin's trial. There is nothing new in the article . It is a spin on the facts by a conservative writer who is on a mission to speak up for the police under any and all circumstances.
And that's how he acted.
Now you are playing the "What If" game. And that's your OPINION. Nothing more.
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It seems pointless to point out the truth and the facts John when they would prefer to believe what they want to believe. The truth is that Chauvin is a murderer, no matter how some defend the indefensible/murderers.
Key words - Chauvin. Is. A. Murderer.
The FUCK it is .................
So the outcome would have been the same in your world??? Good one.
Dripping with irony.......................
Projection on your part.
Deny all you want. It is in black and white for all to see every day.
Yes, your projection is
I know you are but what am I defense? LMAO
If anyone is interested in watching "The Fall of Minneapolis", here's the link. By the way, it's free and certainly depicts a different, more factual, chain of events than what left wing media have done for years.
Thanks Jasper. What I have seen so far, is quite insightful.
You're very welcome. I hope that those who've been denying the facts will watch it.
How is it insightful? It’s the same footage that everyone has already seen, but paused periodically to caption shit like “marijuana pipe”, and “he had Covid” … ooohhh a serious criminal! The guy is in a mental state - we get it. The police just get more and more agitated and care less and less about his mental state. This is not exculpatory in any way, it’s just rubbing more salt in the wounds of his family. Don’t get into the law enforcement profession if you don’t have the patience to not kill a handcuffed, unruly suspect who is clearly in distress. This changes nothing.
EXACTLY.
What a waste of time that would be. We're not the ones denying the facts here.
Insightful?
I don't think so
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You would have to look at the video to make that assumption. You've already admitted you didn't and wouldn't.
Anybody know what the Floyd’s have done with the $40 million or so that they received from the city, GoFundMe, etc?
Spin, put out by a right wing hack,and amplified by the Pornstar of The Post, Miranda Devine. And the partisan crowd of NT licks it up like the rest of the filthy propaganda put out by people who's only desire is for their votes and money.
Happy Thanksgiving!
The defense of the indefensible is deplorable and typical on 'articles' such as these.