Kamala Harris Delivers Another Incoherent Interview On MSNBC - State of the Union
By: Jordan Andrews (State of the Union)
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Vice President Kamala Harris has come under fire online following her recent public appearance, particularly regarding her poor use of language and lack of articulation.
"You know, every election cycle we talk about this is the most election of our lifetime. Lawrence, this one is," Harris said.
"We are literally talking about people who are attempting to divide our country in the most crude, frankly, and profound way," Harris said.
Kamala Harris: "This is the most election of our lifetime" pic.twitter.com/aNg7JNIqle
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 20, 2023
"We are talking about those who are intent and purposeful to, to attack fundamental freedoms," she said.
"Be it the freedom to make a decision about your own body, the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride, the freedom to be free from fear of violence and hate, the freedom to just be — the freedom to just be," she said.
Critics blasted her statement about the upcoming election being "the most election" and compared her communication style to that of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
"Kamala Harris: 'This is the most election of our lifetime,'" the RNC Research account posted.
"This one is the most election of our lifetime. There's never been an election this most election," one X user posted.
"As a woman, I am mortified that Kamala Harris is the first female VP. She is an utter embarrassment," another X user wrote.
"Terrible! Embarrassing!" another said.
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One couldn't even make up something so dumb.
Where, oh where, would our lovely Kamala be without that college education? Would she be able to make LESS sense?
Is that even possible?
And yet, Democrats voted for her and Traitor Joe.
America, you are a degraded nation because of that fact alone.
Who in their right minds would ever place such a fool within such close proximity to the Presidency?
Makes me wonder about the sanity of voters who placed this idiot so close.
Yep Kamala, people certainly are talking about how Joe and you are dividing this country...
Democrats sure are quick to blame republicans for what they themselves are guilty of.
Typical hard core leftist lib ploy.
Proudly on display today!
Yep.
”Who in their right minds would ever place such a fool within such close proximity to the Presidency?“
That’s just too Funny and so damn mixed up. You have supported a cult leading fool somehow still in contention, as he attempts a re-tension swipe and grab as he has no recourse but to attempt to cheat his way back into the presidency, just so he is able to pardon and or close the cases , which are ys
And you should keep up better before telling me what you imagine I do.
Being intelligent was not one of the boxes she needed to/did check off to be VP.
To paraphrase a Democratic leader:
A glass of water with a "D" behind could win an election!
D's voted for an idiot and a traitor.
And a glass of water would be more intelligent and competent.
So, I am supposed to believe no editing took place ... in this day and age that is a joke.
No, you should believe the words that fell out of the idiot Kamala's mouth.
It isn't like this is the first time she tossed a word salad.
Yes, shameful the woman graduated from college and still has trouble communicating effectively.
I guess her and Traitor Joe have that in common.
Keep going like this and the only people who will take you seriously will be diehard MAGA.
Harris did not toss a word salad. Did you even watch the video you seeded?
She left one word out of one sentence. Not a word salad.
Another sad attempt by right wing media. But I suppose it works on the uninformed.
Harris' tossing has been well-documented, and a quick internet search can prove that to you if you are willing to just look for it. Senseless to deny her problem.
Does what she said sound intelligent to you?
I find no reason on earth to defend a politician who has her job because of her race and gender and has repeatedly proven to be a horrible communicator--just like her boss.
But this is the result of voting for a traitor like Biden--you get Harris as VP!
If she and ANY conservative/Republican were to say the exact same thing, some here would say the conservative tossed a word salad while Kamel was a genius in her word selection.
By uninformed do you mean people that dont think msnbc is a news station?
How many word salads does she have to toss before you stop saying it is not her?
If you are going to criticize, at least be accurate. This was not a word salad. This was leaving out a word in a sentence.
Specifically she left out the adjective "important" (or possibly "critical" or "pivotal" or ...) in her phrase: “the most ______ election”
Why do people so often focus on such petty crap rather than matters of importance? Criticize Harris for incompetence (e.g. the border) rather than something as silly as leaving out an adjective while speaking (as if this is rarity for a public figure).
Usually the m.o. from the left is to attack anyone critical of Biden/Harris "strategy" for the border and to call those who criticize them "xenophobes" or racists.
Well, that and to pretend there simply is no crisis and it is business as usual as record numbers stream across.
Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, and seemingly the entire Democratic Party has a 'messaging' issue.
Not a good look for "the smartest people in the room" when they fail to communicate effectively.
Nor when they pretend people are just too dumb to get whatever it is they attempt to say.
Are you suggesting her comment was edited? That is what my comment was in reference to. If you are going to have an issue with a comment, at least be accurate with what the comment was actually saying.
Only they call themselves the smartest people in the room. The rest of us know it is just more defending the indefensible and denying the undeniable
No but, I am straight up saying that Harris merely skipped one word in her prepared remarks which were still perfectly well understood by everyone and over which you are now having a typically hyperpartisan disproportionately over the top total overreaction...
Is that what I am doing? Thanks for letting me know, I never would have guessed that.
It is almost like they don't recognize what they themselves have done for the last 7 years and continue to do today.
No. How on Earth do you come up with that bizarre notion? This sentence in particular is crystal clear:
Surely you know that 'she' refers to Harris. I stated in crystal clear language that Harris left out an adjective in her sentence.
You don't see this??
You sure read a lot into someone accidentally omitting an adjective in an oral statement.
And none of that had anything to do with my comment and the post I was commenting on. That would be comment 4.
Thanks for the input but I already know what I said,what I meant and what I was commenting on.Obviously you don't.
That is an odd response considering what I posted.
I commented on your comment, not on Hallux' comment. I commented on what you actually wrote.
You complained about word salads:
I noted that this was not a word salad in any way, but rather an omission of an adjective in a sentence:
In short, yeah Harris fucked up. She should have said "most important election" and instead said "most ____ election".
This kind of criticism is petty and pointless. As I noted, one could easily criticize Harris for cause (e.g. the border). But this petty partisan crap accomplishes nothing.
And why is this petty? Because politicians routinely make oral mistakes. They leave out words. They use the wrong words. It is a common human error and certainly easy to understand.
Thanks for the input but I already know what I said,what I meant and what I was commenting on.Obviously you don't.
Tell us who Y'all are.
Not the ones that are not
You wrote a "word salad" — UNBELIEVABLE!
I aspire to be just like kamala. Of course I have to lose 20 or so IQ points.
I do not like Harris as V.P. and have little use for her as a politician.
Regardless of politics, policies, behavior, etc., anyone who earns a JD and passes the CA bar is intelligent.
Well, . . .twice in a matter of days I have experienced several words salads you've "repared and posted, so you're busily on your your way to having that aspiration fulfilled!
If you say so.
You mean like somebody focusing on the word "vermin" instead of the whole message?
That is exactly what this article does. She is so incompetent she can't even make sense when she talks. It's not like this is a one off thing. She has a history of this stupidity.
Yes but the comments are claiming that she is stupid, unintelligent, idiot, etc.
Do you consider earning a JD degree (technically a doctorate) and then passing the CA bar a feat that can be accomplished by an unintelligent person or —even worse— a "complete and utter idiot"?
Harris was the attorney general of California and a United States senator.
I wonder how many of these guys think Tommy Tuberville or Ron Johnson are "unintelligent"
Everything after "but" is nothing than mere excuses and opinion. None of which have a damn thing to do with my comment.
Do you consider earning a JD degree (technically a doctorate) and then passing the CA bar a feat that can be accomplished by an unintelligent person or —even worse— a "complete and utter idiot"?
Note:
Again. Nothing to do with my statement. I'm not playing your games.
That is simply a proven fact.
MAGA "facts" are not facts.
I baffles me that people keep trying to make excuses for her.
I'll take your "rebuttal" as a sign that you love Harris and think she's a freaking GENIUS!
Sad.
Do a modicum of research yourself. Look up "Kamala Harris Word Salad" and become enlightened to the brutal reality that she is a poor, poor communicator.
You can believe she makes "word salads" if you want, but that is not what the argument on this seed is about. You and others claim that her forgetting to put the word "important" in one sentence of the interview is a "word salad" proving she is unintelligent. That is ABSURD, and so are half the comments on this article. If anybody here cares what is posted on NT this article should have been at least locked , if not deleted altogether.
Some are just too far in the tank for the Biden/Harris fiasco of an Administration to ever admit their choices were a disaster.
They will vote for a traitor despite knowing and seeing what is going on at the border.
You would think that somebody with her background would be able to coherently communicate. She's an example that having a college degree doesn't necessarily make one smart.
Thanks for permission to believe what I can easily SEE and HEAR.
Gee, you should flag it or something, eh?
Much easier to delete than to debate, especially when you are attempting to defend someone like Harris.
Without a doubt.
Notice how they keep moving the goal posts?
“You would think that somebody with her background would be able to coherently communicate.”
She was certainly able to communicate coherently with willie brown.
Well, reasonable people would tend to think that.
Kamala defenders must think she is special.
It is either that or quibble mindlessly over a word or two.
I do not consider her to be stupid at all but I do consider her to have little or no common sense to to utilize her intelligence properly. I once had a brother in law who had a Mensa level IQ and a doctorate degree in mathematical statistics but had little common sense in that he had trouble managing his check book.
Kamala Harris is simply ridiculous.
How anyone can think she exhibits her intelligence in a good way is beyond belief.
She strikes me as immature and incompetent.
It is one thing to criticize an individual for cause and back that up.
It is quite another to just make emotive, partisan negative personal comments that defy reason.
Ridiculous seeds like this accomplish nothing other than to illustrate the hyper-partisanship at play today.
It isn't ridiculous at all.
No, but you have time to prank us about displaying 'Proud' and Pride. So, I am waiting for the game to end.
It really should not "baffle" any of us, because we as humans are not perfect and with aging in many cases we, humans, give up the facade of achieving the unachievable perfection in such a dynamic world. Now then, the NOTION that people should DISCOUNT/DISMISS/Wring hands, feet and neck over the missing of one word or several in an interview. . ."Important" as the word is. . .ridiculous.
What should the nation do? Impeach the person. Not. Going. To. Happen. Nor. Should. It. Happen. Over. This.
It's not as if she lied to the country, defamed somebody, or has attacked the competition mercilessly just to make herself look better to the public.
Strawman.
Not a soul said a thing about impeachment besides you.
WHY?
You would have to wonder what someone would have done in order to get a degree and pass the bar when the ability to communicate is key to being a lawyer and they are soooo shitty at it..
Defending the indefensible and denying the undeniable.
The nation should do nothing but Biden should get himself another running mate. Keeping her just makes people more concerned about him running at his age.
California public school education?
Because IMPEACHMENT is the only way to get rid of any Vice-President outside of an election. As for waiting for her to "arrive" at perfection, all of us would be waiting for a LIFETIME (and our deaths). As for how she makes MAGAs feel—It has been implied that MAGAs have no feelings of IMPORTANCE where liberals are concerned. Begs the question that MAGAs are here railing on a liberal/VP and writing articles about her.
Well, . . we all have an individual private life and want love in it. Now you can continue 'tapping' this vein but at some point it will say more about MAGAs than any other person. Play to better 'angels.'
Barack Obama as Vice-President pick. Or that may be too 'trumpian' an audacious action to test out on the system.
I have no idea what the hell you are being silly about now.
Your punctuation.
That would be a good idea but I am sure Obama would want to stay away from the Biden shit show.
Petty too. This is online. "Short-hand" and "expressive" communication is allowed. On a comment board, I really can just bang the keyboards with "all thumbs" and still get by. Get over it.
BTW, I have seen you miss a few words here and there too in your discourses. But, I am not petty so I don't make a point of stressing even MAGAs out about their lapses. I get over it (and keep my thoughts about it to myself).
Please. What does MAGAs know about Obama besides he has left "Obamacare" waving and flapping in MAGA faces for all these years?! Don't pretend to speak positive of Barack just as an opportunity to trash Biden. Oh, and there MAGAs go again: Trashing a liberal just because.
Very close to a word salad. Maybe if you stuck a couple more MAGAs in there
MAGA sputtering. At least, Obama ain't mad at Biden for sticking it out during a pandemic and whipping that other guy with the big ass lying mouth and taking his 'job' from him.
Obama could have done it himself, but alas: It is time limited by the Constitution.
I like balsamic vinaigrette.
”with the big ass mouth’s”? That isn’t Kamala speak, whose is it?
Yes, something I learned that some 50+ years ago, but no one was talking anything about impeachment, so why drag that into this conversation when it is totally irrelevant?
Asking for effective, sane communication from one of the nation's leaders is hardly asking for perfection.
Are liberals always such poor, pitiful victims?
A bright red tongue with whites stripes can signal serious conditions, you should get it checked out.
No one, but no one, seems to notice, nevertheless.
Oh, I see.
The hell with laws, right, if it would mean the political resurrection of Obama, eh?
MAGA petty again. I corrected my mistake. Still it's a comment and nobody will be writing articles about it (but you apparently) and so you just made it weird in your 'haste' to look smart. . . I corrected my sentence and the ten minute marker did not even 'sound.' MAGA PETTY.
MAGA desperation on tap.
Nothing MAGA about me brother, I thought that you would have learned that by now.
I wrote no article on your comment.
Weird?
Or if looking at this positively-it could mean: The audacity of hope (Help! Barack we need you!)
Still doing it right now, just plainly weird.
Source please
I am the source. Quote me.
Maybe a credible source?
Why do you feel weird? Maybe the bright red tongue.
I'm the source and I am credible for I am the source. Like it or lump it.
It is clear MAGAs need to win this. . . so go ahead take it. Enjoy it. I'm moving back into the substance of the discussion and it ain't this.
Is that like 'I think therefore I am"?
Win what, lower ratings for Kamala?
It's more like I am thinking of seeing other people and you should get your banter somewhere else too.
Sorry, had to laugh.
All I could think of was this voice:
"I am your father, Luke"
Or how about in Kamalese?
"You are a father, and fathers are important in this time at this stage. We have to support our fathers in this time and at this and every stage while we celebrate their fatherhood and father's father father."
Secret code ring to follow.
That hurts my feelings. Maybe I am becoming a dem.
Naw, still breaking the law--if that matters.
"Here comes Mighty Mouse to save the day!"
Go collect your prize and know that I am happy for you.
Prize? Is this a contest for you?
I do admire your unique ability to flit about.
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[deleted] Nobody mentioned a damn thing about impeachment.
Not all liberals, many certainly are.
You want me to believe she's not a blithering idiot with the articulation level of a toddler?
“You want me to believe she's not a blithering idiot with the articulation level of a toddler?”
Believe as you will, but to maintain any level of integrity, the same standards must apply to every individual in the public eye, in every situation, and in every context.
We could do well to start here.
Then you actually believe that the current V.P. who graduated with a JD then passed the CA bar, who was elected and served twice as the AG for CA and was elected and served as a US senator for CA has these qualities:
Probably best to tone down the level of hyperbole just a tad ... to get even remotely close to a credible claim.
They can't tone it down. They are living out a fantasy that they 'own' the opposition with their figurative combat rhetoric. It is every bit modeled after Trump's verbosity where he wins simply because he demands that he get the last word!
MAGAs literally think they can 'chat' the opposition to 'death'!
Nice chat
For many it is not a fantasy; it is just taunting bullshit. I am quite certain that these 'many' know they have no argument in support of the party to which they are attached and thus engage in non-serious, flippant, dishonest and often petty commentary. To wit, if one cannot argue serious issues, some resort to low-grade rhetoric.
And I will share this. All my life I have thought that conservatives (MAGA/Tea-partiers) were sincere people but simply misguided.
Now, I am getting the "full-seat" treatment that informs me a large segment of our citizenry is INTENTIONALLY biased against facts and have been deliberately misshaping the political landscape since this country's inception. . . to their (alone) worldview by force of their will.
Well that shit ends now.
Thanks to the internet, people are waking up to the truth that conservativism is a SHAM, a scam, and its proponents not truly believe in individual freedom for those they INSIST will be beneath them in the pecking order of this nation.
All of your life? How young are you?
It’s Sam the Sham:
Don't worry about it. By now some conservatives are beyond understanding liberals. Too much BS circulating around - give it several months of puking and purging. . . .
What me worry?
I don’t expect to do either
Instead I followed Matty’s advice;
Matty told Hatty
That's the thing to do
Get you someone really
Pull the wool with you
Wooly bully
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Actually, though I am mindful to tread lightly on this one, I have got to ask: Who the hell are you attempting to label as mentally imbalanced? Do be specific, if you can.
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was talking about the majority of liberals.
Please, let's be respectful to one another. This country won't make it with us 'warring' politically and bashing each other in 'blood-less combat' - we have got to start somewhere "stitching" ourselves together as a country! Why? Because, believe it or not, we are all that we got in this 'world.' Outsiders will 'welcome' us mocking each other to 'bits' in every way, shape, and form. But, we will end up a lost "people" in the process.
So you are of the mindset that because somebody has a degree they can't be blithering idiots. Sorry to burst your little bubble, but a degree doesn't prevent stupidity and Kamala Harris is a perfect example of that.
No, Jeremy, you have dishonestly diluted my position to absurdity. Pay attention to what I actually wrote:
A blithering idiot would never be able to graduate with a JD (that is a doctorate degree) and then use that knowledge to pass the CA bar. Those two feats alone are proof that Harris is very intelligent. So your criticism of her intelligence is ridiculous on its face.
On top of that, she has served and reelected as the AG for CA. Elected and served as a US senator and is the current V.P.
One could make a decent argument that she is ineffective, etc. at her current job, but to instead criticize her intelligence is demonstrably laughable hyperbole.
I did. The only conclusion is that you think that there is no chance somebody with a degree can't be an idiot despite Kamal Harris' examples.
And then we have Kamala Harris.
"Reelected". LMAO.
No he hasn’t. You put forth an example of a person who managed to passed the bar. Largely an exercise of memory not intelligence. Then use her history as a career bureaucrat as a sign of intellect?
Not my idea of a good acid test of intelligence with all the dimbulbs we see making it in those jobs. Nah, her everyday actions speak for themself and I pray for Joe Biden to stay healthy every day because of it.
You actually think that earning a JD and then passing the bar is an exercise of memory and not intelligence.
You need to have a discussion with an attorney and learn what is involved in the bar. There are judgment and reasoning questions that cannot simply be 'memorized'.
Ask Tacos! or G2 (both have passed the CA bar) about what is required to pass the bar.
Amazing that you will repeatedly misrepresent what I wrote no matter what. You cannot rebut what I actually wrote so you repeatedly toss out a bullshit strawman instead.
Then you should really pay closer attention to what you write.
Opinions will vary.
Don’t need to. Have three in my family, including my brother who had just completed a BS in Engineering. He found it a breeze in comparison except for the intensity of the memorization required.
Clearly you do since you are demonstrably wrong that passing the bar requires only memory and not intelligence.
Applying the law to situations in the exam is an exercise of reasoning (intelligence) not mere memorization.
Let folks think Harris is intelligent.
We can simply look at her actions and statements and determine the truth.
She may have a high IQ, it just doesn't show.
Of course, we know high IQs don't necessarily mean the person has a freaking clue--as evidenced with Kamala.
No real point quibbling over a word anyway.
She must be doing something right to get her different positions. Maybe there is a clue in a book.
Clearly, as noted, I don’t. And once again, opinions do vary. It goes without saying that I disagree with yours. Completely
Every job takes reasoning. As a Plumber Pipe fitter I had to reason the best ways to route piping through buildings. As a Marine I had to reason the best way to deploy Marines to best handle the given situation. As an Engineer reasoning was a huge part of the job applying principles and practice to every distinctly different job, etc, etc.
I never said lawyers didn’t have to reason only that passing the bar is in not necessarily a good judge of intellect. That said, once again it’s doubtful we will agree on anything, so I’ll leave it at that.
The explanation for a woman getting a JD, passing the CA bar, serving twice as AG of CA, once as senator and eventually V.P. is that she was great at giving blowjobs is an excellent example of misogyny.
Nope, especially in this case. It always ends up in the same place.
Nowhere.
I didn't say she did. I said maybe the question of how she got where she was is in the book.
You might be able to get a sense of humor on a week after Christmas sale. Or you can just stick with the name calling. Funny how you never seem to have an issue with questionable meme's or comments when some on the left do it. A few do it almost every article they comment on so an excuse of you don't read all articles does not cut it.
Have a nice day.
You are equivocating. You wrote:
Reasoning is a function of intelligence! Having to apply one's understanding of law and its nuances (not just memorizing laws but understanding those laws, their interrelationships, their usages in context based on precedent) to situations on the exam requires intelligence. Legal essays test both judgment and legal reasoning.
It is ridiculous to claim that earning a JD and passing the bar exam is not intelligent.
So what is this, you are going to deny that you posted a meme suggesting Harris' success was based on giving good blowjobs?
Someone should seed an article on intelligence and take the quibbling there.
It is a meme dude (or dudette). It is no surprise that some that are defending Kamala like she is related to them won't think it is funny. They are welcome to that opinion.
Funny how you never seem to have an issue with questionable meme's or comments when some on the left do it. A few do it almost every article they comment on so an excuse of you don't read all articles does not cut it.
No I am not. Just one more of your opinions that I disagree with
I stand by that comment. 100%
You would be right if I had said that but since I did not, now you are only trying to put words in my mouth. Look no further than my comment you quoted above for proof of that.
Pretty sad …..
I am done, promise
Rarely have I seen such a vigorous defense of the indefensible!
[No Trump] [means] [no Trump!]
My bad. I thought you were interested in defenses of the indefensible.
ok, you thought wrong.
It gets even more interesting (and clarifying) when it is realized and accepted that to be a constitutionally approved vice-president you don't even need a higher-learning degree of any kind (though it would be helpful overall).
Potato …. Potatoe ….
Alfred E. Neuman should run for president again. Could probably do a better job than Biden or Trump./sarc
Well, it would be hard to believe his policies could be more disastrous for Americans than the present ones are.
It is rather bizarre
Pat Paulsen for President
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That too.
But not surprising
I think I preferred Walter.
**Sputter.****
If you look at the video it is plain as day that Harris simply left out the word "important" after the word "most". It is a trip of the tongue. Happens all the time to various people , even politicians. Doesnt have a damn thing to do with intelligence. Yet here we have the right wingers creaming themselves over a ridiculous "gotcha" attempt.
There is a conservative candidate this year that does this sort of thing virtually every time he speaks to a crowd.
Kamala Harris is well-known for tossing word salads, and no amount of excuses will make her appear any more intelligent than her comments portray her as.
How anyone could vote for HER as VP and Traitor Joe is simply baffling. I had no idea that many folks were so gullible.
This seed is a total embarrassment to your side.
Yes, my "side" has enough sense to be embarrassed this woman is so close to real power.
I hope the "other" side wakes soon!
This seed is a joke.
No, the subject of the seed is a joke and those on the left are left to weakly "defend" whatever it was she was attempting to say.
Must take a whole lot of staffers to constantly "clarify" what she and Traitor Joe blurt.
No one has to clarify anything . If you watch the video it is obvious that she just did not say the word "important" between most and election. This is not in any way complicated. Keep digging.
I had no idea that you and Kamala were that tight that you just know everything she means to say but doesn't.
Say, didn't she and Traitor Joe make that very same claim LAST election?
Always fearmongering seems to be their thing!
You might want to alert the WH staffers who keep busy explaining whatever it is that Traitor Joe has said. Didn't he just get through claiming to have helped relieve college debt for some 136 MILLION folks?
"I hope the "other" side wakes soon!"
I would not bet money on that happening any time soon. It would definitely be a losing bet.
Some folks see only what they want to see.
That's what I was going to say.
To each their own John.
Maybe you can seed something about the man you obsess over. You haven't done that in a while s/
PD&D
Actually it is the queen of cackle that is a joke
Keep defending the indefensible
Have another slice of excuse pie.
Where do you see an excuse? Obviously she left out the adjective "important" (or a synonym). Just as JR noted.
In what way is observing the obvious an excuse? Or do you think that human beings making such mistakes while speaking is so unusual that it indicates a significant mental deficiency?
An intelligent person would have realized they left out a word as soon as they made the statement and reworded it using the correct word.
Is it your understanding that human beings always immediately notice and correct omissions of words, grammatical errors, etc. while engaging in public speaking? That those who fail to do this are ipso facto not intelligent? And, in this case, leaving out an adjective means Harris is not intelligent?
Surely you are aware that it is not only Ds who make verbal mistakes. Does your criteria extend to Rs as well?
No, it means her brain can't think as fast as her mouth can talk.
Do you think that this does not occur in high profile Rs as well?
If you wish to deflect to Republicans you could post an article about them. This is about kamala.
You fail to understand deflection. If I were deflecting, I would be trying to avoid acknowledging that Harris fucked up by trying to change the focus (or the topic). But I acknowledged that fact and am now exploring the criticism itself.
I am probing the criteria for determining a human being to be unintelligent. Does the criteria identified apply only to Ds or does it also apply to Rs? Seems to me that both parties consist of fallible human beings so this criteria would identify quite a few unintelligent high-profile people in the R party too.
In short, I am challenging the criteria. Not deflecting.
Now, since you opined, do you consider earning a JD degree (technically a doctorate) and then passing the CA bar a feat that can be accomplished by an unintelligent person?
Oh, so that is what you are doing, I would not have guessed. IMO that is a silly probe since the answer is obvious and no one has suggested otherwise. But probe on.
Yes it is. In our hyper-partisan climate there are quite a few obvious facts that partisans refuse to acknowledge.
Do you consider earning a JD degree (technically a doctorate) and then passing the CA bar a feat that can be accomplished by an unintelligent person?
If they earn the degree then yes. Do you agree that there are some people that get a degree without actually earning it?
I anticipated that kind of lame response. That is why my question included the part in blue:
Answer the question honestly.
I was expecting a nit picky response and questioning of my honesty because you don't like the response.
If they earn the degree and pass the bar then yes. Do you agree that there are some people that get a degree and pass the bar without actually earning it?
If a lawyer can not speak coherently on a consistent basis is it unrealistic to question their intelligence and how they got the degree and passed the bar?
It is possible to get a degree without earning it if one has wealth and connections. Cheating on the bar is very different. Not only is this a supervised exam where identity is established prior to the exam, but the penalty for getting caught is basically forfeiting the benefit of earning a JD.
Do you think Harris achieved her JD without earning it and then successfully cheated on the CA bar?
Of course. Looks like you believe that the publicized screw-ups by Harris are representative of how she always speaks. As if every time she opens her mouth she misses a word, rambles on, etc.
The point is that she is clearly an intelligent person and those who claim otherwise are engaging in hyperbole (almost certainly based on partisan emotions).
They KNOW this. This is racial bigotry AND misogyny on full display. And I for one have had ENOUGH of it. There are some 'real' characters sharing space with us! Presidents and Vice-Presidents are not elected for their diction, though it would be. . .nice. . .if our leaders could/would (ALWAYS WITHOUT ERROR) display clear and effective language. But, the CROWD that is doing this (stuff in this article) is invoking a critique for propaganda purposes! That is, they are trying to establish a running narrative that a MISSING WORD out of a "running' interview is a SIGNAL of lack of proper intellect, lack of a state of awareness, and unqualified bonafides.
Worse, with each comment that tries to steer "the Critics" off this travesty against the Vice-President (whom for all we know could have been having a 'bad' day or 'bad' couple of days) they, the Critics draw strength that their TECHNIQUE to run Kamala Harris into the dirt is getting traction with the public!
They know better. Worse. They know what they are doing. They do it often (and fairly well).
Sheer folly to call legitimate criticisms of Harris those things, it is a sign that her stupidity can't be logically defended.
Racists, misogynists, bigots--all terms used often and usually incorrectly (as in this case)to degrade those who think differently than you.
It's an old, tired tactic no more effective than pissing into the wind.
I always get a kick when someone proclaims they know what another person (especially a perfect stranger ) knows.
Just channel Reagan.
Then it isn't quite so weird.
I agree mostly, but I think the attack on Harris is more simply explained by partisan politics. That is, I do not think that race and gender play much of a role in this situation. Harris has the wrong letter next to her name thus she will be attacked.
I do not have any issue with criticism based on merit. But these nit-picky partisan attacks on trivialities are a different matter entirely. Not only do they make the attacker look petty, but it is counterproductive. It gives the impression that omitting an adjective is among the worst failures of Harris as V.P. since this entire seed is bent-out-of-shape over her failure to include an adjective in a real-time oral comment.
“Culture is — it is a reflection of our moment in our time, right? And in present culture is the way we express how we’re feeling about the moment,” Harris, 58, told audience members last Friday at the Essence Festival of Culture in the Caesars Superdome
“And we should always find times to express how we feel about the moment that is a reflection of joy, because as you know, it comes in the morning,” the vice president added, bursting into laughter.
“We have to find ways to also express the way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and a connection to how people are experiencing life. And I think about it in that way too,” she said.
No, she says some of the stupidest things and is criticized justly for it.
Trying to diminish any criticism of her by claiming it is all partisan is not a very persuasive or rational argument.
Would you have posted a seed about a prominent R leaving out a word or making a similar mistake?
It happens all the time yet you have not posted a single seed nitpicking verbal mistakes by prominent Rs.
And, no, you never see me posting seeds nit-picking on verbal mistakes for individuals of either major party.
My criticisms focus on factors that matter.
I will not mince words with you. V. P. Harris does not need any damn thing from MAGAs and she damn sure won't be getting any damn thing from merciless bullies with a keyboard who think they can run a country by denigrating the people who try to deal with the pressing issues of today-PROPERLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE CITIZENRY.
Vice-President Kamala Harris is a first and its 'boots' to MAGAs who think they can bully her over being FIRST.
Bitch and moan all you wish. Go out and defeat the Biden 'team' is MAGAs best bet of getting rid of her and you can put that SCOUNDREL from 'Hell' back in-if you can accomplish it. But until you do. . . . nobody even has expectations of MAGAs mentioning a damn thing she gets right including rising up to start her day.
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Again they know what you have shared. Most of these people (critics) grew up in decent surroundings where they received 'home-training' and still they come in here and 'trash-talk' about good people trying to make this country livable for everybody.
MAGAs, as Tea-partiers, or some such entity, did the same with Barack Obama and Joe Biden as V.P. Of course, it was easier to trash the first black president and his 'CRITICS" did it with particular glee, because they valued him less anyway.
BTW, you don't have to agree with the point I am making about this. I can make the point, because I have lived through the shit people similar to MAGAs have been putting out over the course of my many years on Earth. It's NEVER-ENDING. NEVER-ENDING.
It's something about the 'skin' that gives MAGAs license to CODE-talk people of color, as if we don't know when we are being talked about in the wrong sense and the wrong way.
This is about Kamala Harris being a person of color.
And let me add this: All things GOP being equal/inequitable/diverse: It will be a cold-day in Hell before Nikki Haley (person of color/woman) is allowed to become president. . . MAGA traditionalist won't permit it. (My opinion.)
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These numbers must indicate a lot of racism beyond MAGA.
I didn't ask you a damn thing about polls. This is not even about likes or dislikes per se. This writer wrote something about a word, words, or expressive writings which MAGAs have been desperately trying to ARTICULATE is a FIRST AMENDMENT right it, we, have in this country to speak as we choose.
Incidentally, where in your numbers did you isolate the question about her speech patterns is a concern of the nation, I didn't see the relevant part listed in your comment.
How many of the 55 percent (I did not open your link this time around) are MAGA respondents. . . . (Rhetorical.)
By the way, this is from the article YOU POSTED 5.2.28 :
Get your truths straight and be genuine! MAGAs have a knack for ignoring the whole story when detaching component parts of a story.
Wonder if the "researchers" will be using the silliness of articles like this and its adjoining comment section in their next report on the subject.
No you didn’t.
No, the concerns, given Biden’s age, are much broader than her speech patterns.
Yes, she doesn’t seem to have any ideas for solutions.
Trump's solid political base is estimated at between 30% and 40% of Republican primary voters. That’s much less that Kamala’s disapproval ratings. Get your truths state and be genuine!
Ah, the goal post move to the 'other guy' . . . I didn't know you were into doing that (until just now). Get back on trashin' Harris and leave MAGA 'boy' out of it.
Did I write something inaccurate? Did you write something accurate?
I couldn't get pass the moving of the goalpost to invoke MAGA-styled 'golden boy' to notice inaccuracies or not.
What does that have to do with it?
Would you be defending a prominent R leaving out a word or making a similar mistake?
I wasn't aware that was required.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to accuse you of that. Thanks.
I'll think we'll agree to disagree on that.
I can see that.
No moving of goalposts is requested or essential.
I appreciate that.
Okay, I'll let anyone who starts to argue any of that know the rules.
Great, hate to think she is a victim here.
Spare me all the MAGA baloney.
Baloney and feminine Hate-a-Rade is a piss poor emotional concoction.
Or tried or accomplished.
I bow to your personal expertise.
Why bother responding if you are just going to dodge the question asked?
What a coincidence.
I was just thinking a while back that very thing.
I believe my posts have already answered your question.
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Yep, I find it amusing that Harris's approval rating are lower than Biden's. Considering Biden's approval ratings overall, you know the bar has to be set pretty low from the get go.
The best thing about Kamala, is that she doesn’t embarrass Joe by having better ratings than he has.
That was one of the boxes she had to check although I read last week she actually scored higher than Joe on a poll
How nice it would be, if only for today of all days, could everyone step off, count your blessings, and come back tomorrow to rehash whatever…
…so Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Peace!!!
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Seems that way:
Defending the indefensible Kamala. It is always that way for some.
You totally missed the point.
No he didn’t.
The venom I’m referring is the endless railing on Trump, anyone who has the temerity not to rail on Trump or conservatives in general. Anyone who reads NTers for more than a second can see it. And can recognize who I’m talking about. Look no further than the front page nearly every day of the week.
There are also those here who think they mask it with semi-clever attempts to debate the logic of it, Which there it little. It’s red ass. Plain and simple. Red ass that’s accelerated since November of 2016.
So I called out the hypocrisy “once” of those who hammered on Quayle for simply misspelling a word vs giving Harris a free pass for her consistent public babble rap. The reality of it bites. I can only imagine how bad for those that support her.
No, I didn't.
I only need to look at your response and who you choose to respond to.
Exactly, Kamala said : "This Holiday, my wish for you and your family is that you take a few moments of quiet reflection and find that stillness that's at the center of the Holiday story. May you find peace in these silent nights. And warmth from those surrounding you. I hope you enjoy your Holiday tree.”
BFD
Just yet another gem falling out of Kamala's open piehole.
Rejoice!
Harris: ‘It’s time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day'
My only reaction to that is shock that her defenders haven't nominated her for some type of award for that brilliant statement.
Again, use your words to explain to the group how Harris' words above negatively impacted your life or outlook!
I have no idea what you are talking about.
But you are here all the same.
Yes I am.
Quayle is a genius compared to Kamala.
Remember how hard the left hammered on him for the potato incident and yet Kamala is sharper?
Hilarious!
As are most adults.
A care giver where I live has an eight month old little boy who is smarter than Kamel is.
Do you think absurdly hyperbolic claims like this accomplish anything other than project a failure of objectivity?
Do you acknowledge that his post was sarcasm?
Oh, so you think arkpdx was being sarcastic? So he actually was complimenting Harris on her intelligence?
It is painfully obvious.
Gee, I hope not, because that would just be an incredibly stupid thing to do, and thus far, he hasn't appeared stupid to me. What do you think--was he complimenting her or not?
I have never heard of anyone who actually would be foolish enough to think an 8-month-old child is smarter than a full-grown adult woman with an education.
Perhaps 'facetious' would be a better word, but, really, who cares?
No big deal, we all occasionally use the wrong word (or omit a word) ... especially when speaking (versus writing).
I don’t know about most. How about many ….
Uh, sure?
Maybe I was just confused about this:
Oh, so you think arkpdx was being sarcastic? So he actually was complimenting Harris on her intelligence?
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And do you think he was complimenting Harris?
Do the math Texan, my posts already answered your question.
No math here in sight.
No, you have dodged the question. No where have you answered the question:
If you have, and I missed it, I apologize. Just let me know what post it was in.
You think constantly attacking others is any way shape for form changing anyone's opinion that Kamala is a complete and utter idiot? That the only reason she was picked by Brandon for VP was she checked more leftist boxes than the other nominees? That she is somehow qualified to assume control of this country if Brandon can no longer fulfill his duties?
Instead of just saying "Yes, Kamala is an idiot; and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Presidency"- you are arguing over the language being used.
Go find some leftists/Democrats to rail on. They need it. We have had to endure their crassness since Reagan; and it is only getting worse with age and each passing Republican.
Do you consider earning a JD degree (technically a doctorate) and then passing the CA bar a feat that can be accomplished by an unintelligent person or —even worse— a "complete and utter idiot"?
I do not like Harris as a politician, nor do I excuse her incompetence, but I do not leap to emotional absurdities such as denying the fact the she is obviously intelligent.
Do you acknowledge that many, many educated people do and say some spectacularly stupid things?
Do you feel Harris is worthy of the position she holds?
Of course. Do you acknowledge that Harris is intelligent?
No. I have quite clearly stated my disapproval of Harris on this forum for years now.
Oh, I am sure she is fairly intelligent.
It's a damn pity that it never reveals itself when she speaks.
It appears you have taken a great interest in defending her, which is weird.
Yeah well you got that wrong. What I typically do in matters like these is challenge partisan nonsense. In this case, the partisan nonsense amounts to claims that Harris is stupid.
One can legitimately criticize Harris for merit, but deeming her unintelligent is just partisan bullshit.
Doesn't appear that after reading your posts.
My opinion is that Harris continually proves she is clueless about so many things. I don't see how reasonable, sane people can argue differently.
To each their own, and I guess compared to Traitor Joe, she is a freaking genius!
“Do you feel Harris is worthy of the position she holds?”
not a chance in hell. The only thing she may be qualified for would be a spot on sesame street? Maybe?
“What I typically do in matters like these is challenge partisan nonsense.”
Oh really? A couple weeks ago, or so, your liberal buddies were harping on melania trump. Some comments were downright nasty. Where were you? You were on nt’ers making comments but for some reason you did nothing to “challenge partisan nonsense.” But somebody makes a negative comment about harris or “dr. jill” you come riding in on your high horse. tig to the rescue. There are plenty of partisan, very partisan liberals on nt’ers. Some of them are extremely nasty. You never “challenge” them. Why is that? No, you only “challenge” conservative posters. You claim to be non-partisan but your actions speak much louder than your words.
I do not read every comment. Negative personal comments about Melania are uncalled for. I do not recall seeing an article that was a hit piece on Melania (this is a hit piece on Harris). And, by the way, I very much do not approve of Harris as V.P. and have very low regard for her as a politician.
By far, most of the comments that deserve challenge nowadays wind up coming from GOP loyalists. That is not my doing, that is just reality.
I cannot help the fact that in today's political climate, the GOP is by far more dysfunctional and GOP loyalists collectively makes far more outrageous / ridiculous claims than do the Ds.
If Biden had tried to steal a US presidential election through fraud, lying, coercion, and incitement and the Ds were trying to defend his actions and supporting him for reelection, it would be some D partisan (instead of you) claiming that I am partisan because I focus on them.
One must first remove one's partisan blinders before one can recognize non-partisanship.
I think there is a place for sarcastic/ satirical comments about any and every politician. That is what editorial cartoonists do.
My own personal opinion about Melania Trump is that she made a deal with the devil - she stands by Trump because of the luxurious life he gives her. For some people that is more than enough.
Oh, i see now. So, for example, if the conservative posters started calling everything and everyone they don’t like “fascist” their comments would be less outrageous or ridiculous?
your actions speak louder than your claims.
No, you clearly do not.
Does she meet the CONSTITUTIONAL requirements to be Vice-President, Emphatically. "Critics" be damned on the question of worthiness—'few' liberals or progressives is worthy of good to MAGAs.
I won't bother wasting time arguing something no one else has even suggested.
Strawman again.
This comment is. . . unremarkable and misogynous. Vice-President Harris is a sitting Vice-President, you-we are going to want her to be more qualified than Sesame Street level in the unfortunate event she is needed to serve. . . . Get my drift. Learn. Some. Respect.
Emphatically.
On a different 'note' all the same, situations and circumstances matter by DEGREES. Melania Trump is a disappointment of a sort, but what (else) can she be considering who has brought her to the national dance and plans to do so yet again if he has her way. I don't like talking about her and do so only rarely. But. Her inability to rein in her "king" that is, "Donald" trample on my rights, privileges, and freedoms to make himself and MAGAs happIEST at my expense will not set right with me where she is concerned. I could criticize her more often for that reason alone. But - I don't. She is not now or before an elected official.
Note: I am becoming self-aware that I 'address' you a great many times with my "expressive" thoughts because you are a good 'listener,' in the new year I will ease off a bit on that activity.
And yet you are unelected and here wasting 'quality-time' on virtual reality. Good news! Soon we will enter the upcoming election cycle proper: You, too, can become a dreaded public servant so "the Critics" can make you obey their petty wishes (to stay hired) or they can mockingly gripe about a lack and "sub-intelligence" .
As for "root cause" -try finding out the root cause of the bad formatting in your comment. I almost got 'lost' in what was a quote from an UNMENTIONED source and what was you 'speaking' there, RDtC. Maybe you can add an additional comment with a link to support your quote, before 'somebody' hits you with a plagiarism 'charge' -online!!!
Kamala would be proud
if she could accurately read aloud from "Dick and Jane".
Proud of: a non-candidate candidate or a "root cause" finder who can't properly attribute credit to sources even when warned about plagiarism harm.
W.H.A.T.????????????????????????????
We aren't talking about Harvard's plagiarizing President here.
Can you explain what a non-candidate candidate is?
Fact or supposition. Because I don't know how you plan to prove it.
Luckily for Kamala, I found her READING a book she wrote for kids above the level of Dick and Jane:
Wow, kind of blows your SUPPOSITION out that she can't perform. Because she used big words like: "Delicious" and "Court" and "heroes" and 'Amazing" and "Senator" - I don't remember such big words in a Dick and Jane reader.
Sorry I can't get more excited, I'm still trying to figure out what a non-candidate candidate is.
Is it like a non-murderer murderer?
Or is it like a non-smoking smoker?
Oops! Weeks ago we had "the Talk" where I agreed to not ask questions of you and I expect you to not ask questions of me. Because it saves time and space for your whining about questions that go 'nowhere. Do keep up!
"Fact guy" busted. Please improve the brand.
You may be in complete agreement with yourself then. I made no such agreement.
But thanks for admitting you broke your own agreement by asking me questions.
How does that fit into your 'expectations'?
Delusion noted.
Prove it. Because I am pretty sure I have not asked you any questions on this thread. But, if you can prove it go ahead do it.
Kamala reads pretty good to kids and above the level of 'Dick and Jane' and still can't satisfy the fact guy! "Amazing!" (There is that word again.)
Okay.
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You're mistaken. I ANSWERED. I did not require any assistance from you! It is obvious that it is rhetorical. Next. (Oh, the desperation!)
You might choose to Google: "Emphatically."
“The governor and I, we were all doing a tour of the library here and talking about the significance of the passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time. So, when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires. What we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time when we think about a day in the life of our children."
What do you think about the passage of time?
"We will work together, and continue to work together, to address these issues…and to work together as we continue to work, operating from the new norms, rules, and agreements, that we will convene to work together...we will work on this together."
Together we'll stand, divided we'll fall
Come on now people, let's get on the ball and work together
Come on, come on let's work together, now, now people
Because together we will stand, every boy, every girl, and a man
“So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong.”
I have no more time for BS, Drinker. The time is over for this. You don't like Harris that is clear, because . . . MAGA.
Don't be silly, no MAGA in me.
Tell me that at least you enjoyed Canned Heat.
"Does" at the beginning of a sentence denotes a question.
pretty standard despite poor attempts at deflection.
so glad she is able to read a grade school primer.
Such an accomplished woman!
Write Harvard a letter.
No more time for word salads? Too bad, they are great
An original. probably need to be specific.
You can think any damn thing you wish and you usually do for that matter. Questions have a distinct signifier at its end. Oh and that marking is usually NOT an answer to it. So go ahead and "win" since it is impossible for MAGAs to lose! /s
See if it changes any thing around us!
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The face the gop shows ^ is electoral poison.
Like overhearing a locker room conversation from a geriatric men's club at some all white seniors retirement center out in the suburbs. Like old throwbacks having their last hurrahs!
Can someone repost the crucifixion of Santa Claus.
do you think some of the idiotic comments made on this article are good for NT ?
Have you considered starting JRNT where you could allow only what you thought was good for it?
I think little is good on NT except for amusement.
Reading stupid comments must appeal to you.
One man's stupid is another man's brilliant.
Some things we just have to tolerate.
You could be right.
Ask him what the last thing he read was!
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“do you think some of the idiotic comments made on this article are good for NT ?”
Lmmfao, oh the irony in that statement.
I am sure the sheer irony was lost on the commenter.
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Epitome of democrat intelligence:
“The Governor and I and we were all doing a tour of the library here and, um, talking about the significance of the passage of time. Right. The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires, what we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time. When we think about a day in the life of our children and what that means to the future of our nation, depending on whether or not they have the resources they need to achieve their God given talent."
Nobel Prize-winning-like statement there.
I would love to see some of her college papers. She might have gotten A's because the profs gave up on trying to read them and could not figure out what to say on them so just gave her a high grade and passed her along.
MAGA is gung-ho on her speech patterns already. Do you really need her written words before you can conclude that this woman is 'bad' for MAGA, no.
BTW, I am going to share something with you . . .Nikki Haley talks through clenched teeth. And I have never 'uttered' that in public to anyone before. And probably won't do so again (unless asked or pushed into doing so)—it does not matter to her ability to serve or "be."
But here we are trashing a woman. . . because it is what MAGAs do- trash people and Otherize them.
Sounds like TDS has been traded in for MDS.
Typical of MAGAs missing the point (MtP).
There was a point?
Yes. Stop trashing people who deserve better than what MAGAs dish out just because of their hatred of freedom-loving women (of Color).
Stop the racist denying the undeniable and defending the indefensible.
MAGA scrambling is 'ugly' to behold.
So is seeing things that are not there.
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In my day the term for that was social promotion.
Maybe she did to her professors what she did to Willie Brown to jump start her political career
Once again the party that demands facts from liberals is taking an occasion to issue statements derived of suppositional 'potty mouth.' Busted. Prove what Willie Brown and Kamala Harris "did" together in the privacy of their lives.