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Trump Tweeted 'Remain Peaceful' on Jan. 6 After Violence Began | Snopes.com

  
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By:   Jordan Liles (Snopes)

Trump Tweeted 'Remain Peaceful' on Jan. 6 After Violence Began | Snopes.com
The former president's messaging surrounding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot resurfaced following the Sept. 10, 2024, U.S. presidential debate.

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Claim: On Jan. 6, 2021, the day of the riot at the U.S. Capitol, then-President Donald Trump posted to followers to "remain peaceful" with "no violence" and also to "stay peaceful" and "support our Capitol Police and law enforcement." Rating: Mixture

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Context

Trump posted two tweets that mentioned being "peaceful." He also once mentioned during his Jan. 6 speech on the Ellipse for his supporters to "peacefully" protest. However, the truth was that the tweets were posted after the violence of the day had already begun. Meanwhile, the spoken mention of "peacefully" protesting occurred during a misinformation-filled speech, in which he also told the crowd, "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." Further, all of this followed many months of Trump baselessly and repeatedly predicting the 2020 U.S. presidential election would involve massive voter fraud.

During the Sept. 10, 2024, debate between former U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris, ABC News moderator David Muir asked Trump whether he had regrets for his role in the violent events at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Following Trump's answer, Harris provided her own thoughts about the matter.

While the debate continued, a user on X named Chad Prather, host of "The Chad Prather Show," posted (archived) a screenshot of a Trump tweet (archived) from the day of the riot. Prather added to his post, in reference to Harris, "Since the moderators won't fact check her."


Since the moderators won't fact-check her…. pic.twitter.com/MXuqGtaeoh
— Chad Prather (@WatchChad) September 11, 2024

The promoted claim was that Trump tweeted to "remain peaceful" with "no violence," meaning that Trump could wash his hands of the matter in innocence. Users previously shared this genuine tweet alongside another one (archived) in a memeshared on X which Trump also said to "stay peaceful."

The meme appeared like this:

"Does anyone remember these tweets … probably not because they were removed," the meme incorrectly claimed.

In our research, we concluded that while Trump's @realDonaldTrump account truly did display these two tweets, Prather's post and other users' posts presenting Trump's words lacked crucial context. (We noted Trump himself repeatedlysharedpostsshowing he held strong views about his words being taken out of context.)

In sum, Trump did tweet to his supporters who were already rioting at the Capitol to "remain peaceful" with "no violence" and also to "stay peaceful" and to "support our Capitol Police and law enforcement." However, anyone asserting any level of innocence for Trump's role in the Capitol riot through the sharing of these two tweets — or the lone mention of the word "peacefully" during his speech — would do so by ignoring the vast majority of the rest of the data available for this matter, mainly being the fact Trump posted his tweets after the violence at the Capitol had already begun and many months after he repeatedly promoted baseless accusations of voter fraud.

Context Is Key


On Jan. 8, 2021, Twitter announced a permanent suspension (archived) for Trump's account following the events at the Capitol. Tech entrepreneur Elon Musk later restored access to Trump's account following his 2022 purchase of the platform.

Meanwhile, on Trump's Facebook page, two posts showing the same words remainedavailable. Facebook eventually also temporarily suspended his account.

The user who created the aforementioned meme claimed something about a cover-up to hide these tweets from the public. In reality, countless news organizations and other blogs reprinted the words from the two posts in articles published around the world.

Perhaps most important about the context behind the meme was that these tweets from Trump came after the violence at the Capitol had already started — and many months after he repeatedly promoted baseless predictions of massive voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. elections. After all, the driving force behind Trump's supporters violently protesting at the Capitol stemmed from the former president's own promotion of the false belief that the election had been stolen. To be clear, it is false to assert that the 2020 election was "stolen."

Two Tweets


Trump's account displayed the times of the posting of the first message as 2:38 p.m. EST on Twitter and 2:40 p.m. on Facebook. It read, "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"

The second tweet from the meme was posted a short time later, at 3:13 p.m. on Twitter and 3:14 p.m. on Facebook. The tweet said, "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order - respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

USA Today published a timeline of the Capitol riot showing rioters had already breached the grounds before Trump issued his tweets about being "peaceful." In fact, after the grounds had been breached, Trump first tweeted, "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"


At 2:24 p.m. Trump tweets that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution..." pic.twitter.com/0M5VIy7lt5
— USA TODAY Graphics (@usatgraphics) January 8, 2021

With the help of a bullhorn, one of the people at the Capitol riot read to the crowd Trump's tweet about Pence. The following video, which was unveiled by the U.S. House panel investigating the riot, showed this to be the case:


They used my footage "Mike Pence didn't have the courage" in the phenomenal @frontlinepbs "Democracy On Trial" it was actually AFTER the 187 minutes at 4:23pm and he was encouraging them to keep fighting. The National Guard had been denied 14 times by Chris Miller at that point! pic.twitter.com/kudd0EqYmw
— RealSandiBachom (@realsandibachom) January 31, 2024

Rioters shouted, "Hang Mike Pence."

The U.S. House panel also reported receiving testimony claiming Trump seemingly showed approval of the crowd's chants to "hang Mike Pence."

'We Love You. You're Very Special.'


More than an hour after Trump's second tweet, a video appeared on his social media accounts about 4:17 p.m. In the video, Trump repeated the baseless allegations of voter fraud and falsely claimed he won the election in a "landslide" victory. He told supporters, "But you have to go home now." He also spoke to the violent rioters, saying, "We love you. You're very special."

Trump's last tweet of the day appeared at 6:01 p.m. He said, "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

This was one of Trump's final tweets before his Twitter suspension.

Ellipse Speeches


Earlier on the same day, Trump delivered a misinformation-filled speech to supporters on the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. According to The Associated Press, some supporters left early for the Capitol before he was finished speaking. Other supporters spent the morning "casing the entrances to the Capitol." During the speech, Trump used the word "peacefully" one time. According to a transcript, Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." At the same time, he also told them, "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

During the same speech, Trump told supporters, "We're going to walk down to the Capitol." In the speech, he said that he would be walking to the building with them. "I'll be there with you," Trump said. However, he did not walk with them, nor did he travel to the Capitol in any other manner.

Prior to Trump's speech, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and others warmed up the crowd with brief remarks. Giuliani said, "Let's have trial by combat!" Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., also told those gathered at the Ellipse, "Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass."

Arrests, Charges and Suicides


As of August 2024, court records reflected arrests and charges for nearly 1,500 people for their alleged participation in activities related to the Capitol riot.

The Washington Post reported that 140 law enforcement officers were injured during the violence. CNN later reported Matthew Graves, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said, "We know from talking to the hundreds of officers guarding the Capitol that day that this 140 number undercounts the number of officers who were physically injured, let alone those who have suffered trauma as a result of the day's events."

Further, CNBC published "Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who collapsed in his office after responding to the riot, died Jan. 7 from two strokes. Washington's chief medical examiner has said that 'all that transpired' during the riot played a role in Sicknick's condition." The U.S. Capitol Police published of Sicknick's death on the day following the riot, "This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol."

Additionally, CNBC reported that at least four other officers involved in defending the Capitol later died by suicide.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

Gonna be some "nuh uh's" on this one. hahaha

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 months ago

Without a single doubt.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    2 months ago
In fact, after the grounds had been breached, Trump first tweeted, "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

Excuse me but wasn't it you who posted the other day that he just sat there with his thumb up his ass and did nothing? I am sure it was.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Why you think this article makes Trump look good is beyond me. 

In any case, he sat in the Oval Office for hours watching the riot on television and did nothing to stop it, unless you think sending out a tweet about peacefulness after the riot was underway is a replacement for making phone calls to law enforcement and ordering a bigger response. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago

What the f was he supposed to do? He told supporters to protest peacefully. He offered nan nan and bowowser the national guard, both bimbos said no. So, what the f was he supposed to do?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @3.1    2 months ago

It sounds like some folks think Trump was in charge of local law enforcement.

He wasn't.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.2  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    2 months ago

“It sounds like some folks think Trump was in charge of local law enforcement.”

or owns a magic wand. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.2    2 months ago

lmao

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1    2 months ago

He was the fucking president of the United States and the US Capitol was under assault and his main contribution was watching it on television. 

Document reveals new details of dramatic Mike Pence call during …

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WEB Apr 16, 2021  · An internal Defense Department timeline also obtained by CBS News revealed new details of a dramatic call between then Vice President  Pence  and then acting Secretary of  Defense Chris Miller .

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Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help …

WEB Jun 10, 2022  ·   Milley   described   Pence   as “very animated, very direct, very firm” in the need for Guard troops to help with crowd control as soon as …

Mike Pence, the vice president made phone calls for help on Jan 6th, but Trump, the president couldnt ?

Trump supporters are a joke. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.5  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    2 months ago

We hear over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over times infinity that “he just sat there, he did nothing”. But we never hear what he should have done amazing, isn’t it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    2 months ago

Trump [] has now been asked at least three times on national television to say what he was doing on the afternoon of jan 6th while the riot was taking place, and he has refused to answer the direct question three times.[]

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.7  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    2 months ago

What the fuck was he supposed to do?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.8  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    2 months ago

Yeah, you say that about zillion fucking times a day but you never say what he was supposed to do? Because you don’t fucking know.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.8    2 months ago

He was SUPPOSED TO DO whatever he could.   Does "nothing" sound like whatever he could to you? 

You know what he WAS doing?  He was calling members of Congress to ask them to follow the plan and delay the vote count. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.10  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    2 months ago

Yeah, you’re right, he should’ve changed into his gym shorts and put on his sneakers and ran down to the capitol building and physically stopped the crowd himself. You have no fucking clue what he should've done, just admit it. nan nan and bowowser should’ve taken him up on his national guard offer, don’t ya think?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.10    2 months ago

What offer? The imaginary one that exists only in his mind? 

But even if he had made an "offer" before Jan 6th, what the fuck does that have to do with what was happening on the afternoon of Jan6th , which he was watching on television and eating chicken nuggets when he should have been looking for law enforcement reinforcements to stop it. 

Ray Charles could see he didnt want it to stop, thats why he did nothing.  He wanted them to succeed in delaying the vote. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.10    2 months ago

If Trumps behavior was okey dokey, why wont he answer the question? 

This entire discussion is insanity. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    2 months ago
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Fact check: Trump did not request 10,000 Guard troops for Jan. 6

Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that   Pelosi rejected   Trump's   request for   10,000 National Guard troops   to be deployed before Jan. 6.   Pelosi's   office said the speaker was not contacted about deploying the   National Guard   prior to the rally, and the Pentagon has previously stated that there is no record of …   See more

 
 
 
Gazoo
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3.1.14  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    2 months ago

He did make the offer. I know it will be very difficult for you to accept that but it’s true. Look it up. I also find that rather odd that someone who supposedly knows everything about j6 , you didn’t know that. Hmmm, that extremely partisan, i mean, committee, must’ve left that out of their findings, i wonder why? Or maybe that info was in the pile of documents they shredded?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.15  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    2 months ago

If Trumps behavior was okey doke”

Maybe he was using the “moderate” timmy walz strategy, let this shit burn! 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.16  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    2 months ago

WASHINGTON - Today, Committee on House Administration's Subcommittee on Oversight Chairman Barry Loudermilk (GA-11) released a transcribed interview the January 6 Select Committee conducted with President Trump's former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato, which shows President Donald Trump pushed for 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the nation’s capital.

The interview also shows White House frustration with slow deployment of assistance. The Select Committee conducted this interview in January of 2022, but never released it.

Following Mollie Hemingway's reporting, Chairman Loudermilk released the following statement:

“The former J6 Select Committee apparently withheld Mr. Ornato’s critical witness testimony from the American people because it contradicted their pre-determined narrative," said Chairman Loudermilk. "Mr. Ornato's testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along, President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down.

"This is just one example of important information the former Select Committee hid from the public because it contradicted what they wanted the American people to believe. And, this is exactly why my investigation is committed to uncovering all the facts, no matter the outcome.”

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    2 months ago

Sorry, you can not mobilize the NG that fast.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.18  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    2 months ago
He was SUPPOSED TO DO whatever he could. 

So he can't do anything about the border without it becoming militarized, but he should have called in the troops on domestic protesters?..

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.14    2 months ago

Your post reminded me of Reagan's quote!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.16    2 months ago

the January 6th Committee’s final report cited testimony that Trump suggested 10,000 National Guardsmen may be needed to protect him and his supporters – not the U.S. Capitol.

Chapter 6   of the committee’s final report puts Trump’s suggestion that 10,000 National Guardsmen may be needed into proper context. It reads (footnotes omitted, emphasis added):

President Trump wanted to personally accompany his supporters on the march from the Ellipse to the U.S. Capitol. During a January 4th meeting with staffers and event organizer Katrina Pierson, President Trump emphasized his desire to march with his supporters. “Well, I should walk with the people,” Pierson recalled President Trump saying. Though Pierson said that she did not take him “seriously,” she knew that “he would absolutely want to be with the people.”  Pierson pointed out that President Trump “did the drive-by the first time and the flyover the second time” — a reference to the November and December 2020 protests in Washington, DC. During these previous events, President Trump made cameo appearances to fire up his supporters. Now, as January 6th approached, the President again wanted to be there, on the ground, as his supporters marched on the U.S. Capitol.

The President’s advisors tried to talk him out of it. White House Senior Advisor Max Miller “shot it down immediately” because of concerns about the President’s safety. Pierson agreed.  But President Trump was persistent, and he floated the idea of having 10,000 National Guardsmen deployed to protect him and his supporters from any supposed threats by leftwing counter-protestors.  Miller again rejected the President’s idea, saying that the National Guard was not necessary for the event. Miller testified that there was no further conversation on the matter. After the meeting, Miller texted Pierson, “Just glad we killed the national guard and a procession.”   That is, President Trump briefly considered having the National Guard oversee his procession to the U.S. Capitol. The President did not order the National Guard to protect the U.S. Capitol, or to secure the joint session proceedings.

As the testimony above makes clear, Trump was primarily concerned with ensuring that he and his supporters were protected during their procession to the U.S. Capitol. Trump did not ultimately march to the Capitol himself – nor did he order the deployment of 10,000 National Guardsmen.

Sixth, Trump’s Acting Secretary of Defense, Chris Miller,  told  the committee that Trump did  not  issue an order to deploy 10,000 National Guardsmen on Jan. 6.

Appendix 2   of the January 6th Committee’s final report reads:

On January 5th, as demonstrators rallied in support of the President, Acting Secretary Miller received a call from the commander-in-chief. The President asked him if he was watching the events on television. The secretary told him he had caught some of the coverage.

Unprompted, President Trump then said, “You’re going to need 10,000 people” the following day, as in troops.  An email sent by Chief of Staff Meadows on January 5th explicitly noted that the DC Guard would be on hand to “protect pro Trump people.”  The President and his staff appeared to be aware of the likelihood of violence on the day the election certification of his loss was slated to transpire. This communication from President Trump contemplated that the Guard could support and secure the safety of Trump supporters, not protect the Capitol. At that time, Secretary Miller apparently had no information on what President Trump planned for January 6th.

Acting Secretary Miller thought the 10,000 number was astronomical — “we expected 35,000 protesters . . . [and] even if there were more protesters than expected, [we thought] that local law enforcement could handle it”— but, again, this was “no order from the President,” just “President Trump banter that you all are familiar with.”

Again, far from covering up Trump’s suggestion of 10,000 National Guardsmen, the committee referenced relevant testimony throughout its report. In her piece for   The Federalist , Hemingway did not inform her readers of Miller’s testimony.

Anatomy of a Conspiracy Theory and a Smear: Still, No Evidence of Trump Order for 10,000 Guard on January 6th (justsecurity.org)

Not a word in there about Trump offering 10,000 troops to Pelosi or the mayor of DC. 

The Secretary of Defense testified that Trump gave no such order. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @3.1.18    2 months ago

145 cops were injured. Did Trump move a single muscle to help them?  NO. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.22  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.20    2 months ago

It happened, johnny. Look it up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.22    2 months ago

What happened?

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GregTx
Professor Guide
3.1.24  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    2 months ago
Police injuries included 140 during Memorial Day weekend in 2020 Chicago. Deaths, injuries and arrests

Death(s)

19 (May 26–June 8, 2020)[1]

Arrested

17,000+[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests#:~:text=Death%20(s)%2019%20(May%2026%E2%80%93June%208,%202020)%20[1]

I wonder how many of those 17000+ were bailed out by Kamala Harris's fund?...

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.25  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.23    2 months ago

Read this link,

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @3.1.24    2 months ago

LOL. This seed is about Jan 6th. At least your in "good" company, Trump changes the subject away from Jan 6th every chance he gets too. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
3.1.27  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.26    2 months ago

Okay, so how many deaths were there on January 6th?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.28  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.25    2 months ago

I'll make this easy for you, if the Trump White House requested national guard troops from Miller on Jan 6th, why doesnt Trump just say so ? 

Maybe he knows Miller says it didnt happen. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.29  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.28    2 months ago

I made it as easy as possible on you, just read the link. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @3.1.27    2 months ago

Several associated with it including the traitor Babbitt.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.26    2 months ago
“What we also know is that President Trump wanted to make sure that the people that came, that there was a safe environment for that kind of assembly. And I’ve said that publicly before — the 10,000 National Guard troops that he wanted to make sure that everything was safe and secure. … Obviously having those National Guards available, actually the reason they were able to respond when they did, was because President Trump had actually put them on alert.”
— Mark Meadows, to Hannity

Lie, there is no evidence of Trump ordering National Guard to be on alert. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Gazoo @3.1    2 months ago

Not true

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.33  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.31    2 months ago

Lol, you didn’t read the link, did you? I didn’t think you would but put it up just in case.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @3.1.24    2 months ago

Deflection.  What does this have to do with 1/6?

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
3.1.35  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.30    2 months ago

Associated? Wtf does that mean?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @3.1.35    2 months ago

Why so hostile?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.36    2 months ago

I cant comment to these people anymore. They are flagging me for triggering them. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
3.1.38  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.37    2 months ago

I've not flagged.you. That you have a hard time with "but Trump" isn't anyone's problem but your own.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.39  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.37    2 months ago

Yea, we know how that is.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
3.1.40  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.36    2 months ago
Why so hostile?

So no answer? lol indeed . 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.28    2 months ago

To quote the Queen, 

"At this point, what difference does it make?"

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    2 months ago
his main contribution was watching it on television. 

So then using that mindset, you are just as culpable.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.43  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.8    2 months ago
Yeah, you say that about zillion fucking times a day but you never say what he was supposed to do?

Just as you don't answer the question either.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.16    2 months ago

The "Committee" didn't want the truth to come out, they wanted to crucify The Bad Orange Man.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.45  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.44    2 months ago

And that's blowing up in their faces as the truth actually comes out.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.46  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    2 months ago

You should pay closer attention to what's going on:

“As Nancy Pelosi was being evacuated from the Capitol on January 6, 2021 she admitted that, as Speaker of the House, she was responsible for the security failures, and for not having the National Guard at the Capitol,”  said Chairman Loudermilk .

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.47  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.37    2 months ago
They are flagging me for triggering them.

How in the hell could you possibly know that? Is there a mole in the mod ranks?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.48  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.47    2 months ago

Mere guessing.  That's usually what happens when you think everybody is out to get you.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.1.49  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gazoo @3.1    2 months ago
What the f was he supposed to do?

He could have gone down there himself and told the crowd to disperse and said that when he told them to "Fight like hell" just a few hours before, attacking the capital was not what he meant. The crowd would have immediately stopped their attempted insurrection.

He told supporters to protest peacefully.

It was a mixed message at best at his rally earlier that day. To tell his supporters to go "stop the steal" and to "fight like hell" because "if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" and then to offhandedly say to "to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" doesn't remove the violent rhetoric he said minutes before.

So, what the f was he supposed to do?

Even an immediate media appearance telling the protestors to stop attacking the Capital and that all he was asking them to do was peacefully protest would have gone a long way to clear him of any claims of inciting the attempted insurrection. But based on his actions at the time he clearly did not want to stop it and was waiting to see if they would be successful before finally hours and hours later coming out to thank them and tell them to go home.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4  Texan1211    2 months ago

Say, Jim, where did you claim this makes Trump look good? 

I can't seem to find it anywhere!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @4    2 months ago

Me either🙃

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    2 months ago

I think certain people are throwing a hissy fit because actual facts don't fit what they were told to believe.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    2 months ago

I don't understand the obsession.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    2 months ago

There is a long list of reasons for it.  For example:

  • TDS (the most obvious reason)
  • Inability to move on from a loss (like an election in 2016)
  • No life
  • Secretly in love with the object of the obsession (Swifties for example)
  • Gullible / low IQ
  • Inability to grasp reality
 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5  George    2 months ago

You all need to have it figured out by now, Trump is all powerful and responsible for everything up to and including Bidens incompetence for the Afghanistan withdrawal, Democrat politicians are infective pieces of crap and aren't responsible for anything other than Unicorn rainbow farts and free shit for takers too lazy to work.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  George @5    2 months ago

Since Trump is getting the blame for the Biden/Harris Admin. screwups, maybe we don't even need Democrats!

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
5.2  Gazoo  replied to  George @5    2 months ago

Hey, don’t forget that obama gets the credit for trumps fantastic economy!

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Gazoo @5.2    2 months ago

Obama handed Trump a strong economy which he immediately tanked.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @5.2.1    2 months ago

2017-2019?  What metrics are you using?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.2    2 months ago
What metrics are you using?

I believe they are called talking points.  

 
 

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