Exclusive: DOD ‘Intentionally Delayed’ National Guard Deployment To The Capitol On Jan. 6
By: The Federalist
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Federal bureaucrats within the Department of Defense (DoD) delayed the deployment of the National Guard on Jan. 6, 2021 and covered it up, according to a House Republican investigation of government conduct related to the Capitol riot.
On Thursday, Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga., who is leading a review of the work completed by the partisan Jan. 6 probe run by then-Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, sent a letter to the inspector general for the Department of Defense demanding a correction to an agency report published in November 2021.
"This report was the final product of the DoD IG's review into the events of January 6, and reviewed how the DoD responded to requests for support as the events unfolded," Loudermilk, the chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight for the House Administration Committee, wrote. "Throughout the Subcommittee's extensive investigation into the failures of January 6, 2021, we have discovered numerous flaws and inaccuracies in the report that your office has yet to appropriately address."
Such flaws and inaccuracies, however, may have been part of a partisan cover-up after GOP lawmakers discovered the Pentagon was responsible for delays in guard deployment.
"After a thorough examination of emails and documents, including letters, memorandums, agreements, plans, orders, reports, briefings, statements made in congressional hearings, closed-door testimony to the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol ('Select Committee'), and closed-door testimony made to the DoD IG," Loudermilk wrote, "the Subcommittee's investigation has concluded that the Department of Defense intentionally delayed the deployment of the DC [National Guard] to the Capitol on January 6, 2021."
"Furthermore," Loudermilk added, "the Subcommittee also maintains that the DoD IG knowingly concealed the extent of the delay in constructing a narrative that is favorable to DoD and Pentagon leadership."
Loudermilk wrote the agency excluded testimony from myriad officials who blamed then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy for his failure to properly communicate with the National Guard over Jan. 6. Then-President Donald Trump had ordered 10,000 troops to be on standby for the day of electoral certification, a fact covered up by the House Select Committee on Jan. 6 which was eager to depict an apathetic commander-in-chief relishing in the violence at the Capitol.
In the days leading up to Jan. 6, Cheney had organized an op-ed by former defense secretaries days to preemptively condemn troop mobilization. Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, who was House speaker at the time, had also objected to the National Guard's preemptive deployment multiple time due to the "optics" of additional federal troops in the capital.
Kash Patel, who was chief of staff for the Department of Defense, wrote in March for The Federalist, "For over three years, I have done countless media interviews, answered numerous subpoenas, and testified before congressional committees and grand juries about the 45th president's actions regarding the National Guard in the lead-up to Jan. 6, 2021."
"Unfortunately for the propaganda press, the truth never changed, nor did any of my testimony," Patel wrote. "Indeed, Donald Trump authorized at least 10,000 National Guard troops days before Jan. 6 in the Oval Office with the secretary of defense, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, chief of staff to President Trump, me, and others present. Pursuant to that authorization, senior DOD officials were dispatched to D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser's office and the Capitol Police. Each of our respective testimonials, under oath, confirms this key fact."
Loudermilk requested the Defense Department inspector general correct its 2021 report regarding the National Guard's deployment "to ensure the accurate preservation of historical records."
Read the full letter from Rep. Loudermilk below:
https://www.scribd.com/document/795241826/11-21-2024-Loudermilk-DOD-IG-Letter?secret_password=Orob99OYmijLgEvJe68p#download&from_embed
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Pelosi and her merry band of partisan hacks lied to the country and many took those lies as fact.
Never in question to thinking, non triggered folks.
Republican report? Exposed by the Federalist? With old news regurgitated by John Solomon as if it is enlightening new revelations?
It must be true....
Feel free to prove it wrong.
Waste of time and my time is very valuable.
9 words to say "I can't". And you talk about wasting "valuable" time.
It is all coming out now AFTER THE ELECTION and BEFORE BONDI TAKES OVER THE FILES AT DOJ.
Just like:
Ashley Babbitt was killed attempting to violently enter a part of the House of Representatives that was visibly locked and barricaded . The cop could reasonably presume she was up to no good and acted in defense of the representatives, which was his job.
I fear they won't be able to any action against this officer due to double jeopardy.
This cop was reckless in the shooting Babbit without warning and endangering other officers in the line of his fire. He should have been fired and charged.
She was attempting to climb through an already broken window and was UNARMED.
Nothing violent about it. She was murdered by a trigger happy cop.
Instead the liberal left as well as the J6 committee went out of their way to villify Babbit and make the police officer look like a good cop just doing his duty. He should have been held accountable.
If he had shot a Biden supporter he would have been.
If Babbit were a minority many on the left would have gotten stuck if they should be outraged or not. There would have been a massive brain reboot to try and get past it.
She was killed by somebody who should not have been in the position he was in.
If that were true then she would have not been the only person killed that day.
There is always the civil side.
I hope that's happening!
So that is what is required for a death sentence?
Except that he was warning the whole crowd, and to his knowledge the other officers were 20 feet behind him at the end of the lobby. The closest other officers he was unaware of, were at the bottom of the stairs behind Babbitt.
He was investigated and not only exonerated, but promoted for potentially saving many lives of other officers and Congress persons.
They filed for $30 million in California on 01/05/2024, a Friday.
Why they waited three years seems to be because they have a weak case,
although even weak cases can garnish a small settlement.
Sorry, but if you're part of a riot violently storming the US Capitol, you should expect to get shot.
You warn a crowd by standing in front of them and displaying your weapon, not hiding in a doorway where no one can see you.
What other officers, on his side of the doors or the lobby where the protesters where located?
You just proved my point! you never take a shot without knowing what is behind your target, that alone should have gotten him fired.
No, they were not, they were almost to Babbit when she went through the door.
That doesn't surprise me one bit with the climate in DC.
Of course, that's why there's video of him shouting and pointing his weapon...duh. the lobby doors were blocked by three or four rows of chairs...
the same video shows two other officers, one ten feet to his left and the other 20 feet to his left.
under those rules of engagement, no one would ever fire a weapon.
When she was shot the crowd retreated allowing the CP emergency response team waiting a floor below to advance and administer first aid.
None of those people should have been there. Period.
The rest is just obfuscation to try to justify the unjustifiable.
She HAD a Para Force folding knife in her pocket. She was legally armed.
She was breaking into a building. If she was doing the exact same thing to my home? The result would be the same.
Wonder how many of said files pertaining to J6 will still be available or even still exist?
All of them that matter.
To most leftists, that means only the ones that put Trump in a bad light.
All the others will be destroyed, and that's OK.
I don't believe that there are any that would put Trump in a good light that day.
The sycophants will probably delete the ones of him eating while watching the mayhem develop.
Much like the reports of the Democrats deleting evidence after their version of the View ended?
And yet the left and Democrats are crying as they are released making the "committee" look like the partisan clown show much of us knew it was.
Bingo!
I wonder how much physical evidence will be released.
Without that, it's just one set of politicians accusing another set of lying, like 2 mafia families accusing each other of racketeering.
There is a bigger coverup taking place on Jan 6th that no one talks about, which is a pipe bomb at the DNC that could have possibly killed the new Vice President Kamala Harris.
Video of what appears to be a black person wearing a hoodie, with their face covered to obscure identification is the evidence.
Now if it occurred in Ames IA, law enforcement might have had a lead, but not in Washington D.C.
Without DNA or fingerprints they have nothing.
Isn't it funny, he's talking on a cell phone, late at night when no one is around, and they can't locate the person. But they can locate people who were at the capital months afterward by their cellphones when there were thousands of people present, think about that for a minute. No one including Kamala Harris has ever explained why she was at the DNC Building on Jan 6th. She was the first female African American Vice President why would she be there? The initial sweep by the secret service didn't find the bomb but, is found by I believe a capital police officer. Then they hid the communications of the secret service on that day saying it was corrupted.
Please post your evidence that Trump "ordered" 10,000 troops to be on standby. Orders by the president are given in writing. Otherwise it may be on the level of him saying he could declassify top secret documents by thinking about them.
But , aside from that we have evidence Trump didnt care about the riot. He sat for hours watching it unfold live on television without doing so much as making a phone call to see what he could do to stop it.
Well, show us that evidence, if in fact, it exists. How could he have stopped it once it started? A phone call? An email? Be specific.
Read the J6 report. I'm tired of doing the work for people who are not interested.
Many have. And know it as the fiction its being exposed as. Information like this suppressed to fulfill a partisan hissy fit.
Since you know absolutely nothing about the J6 Report excuse me if I dont listen to you about it.
Good to know you believe partisan hack lies from a committee that actively hid the truth to portray the narrative they wanted.
Triggered that more information is coming out showing your little band of idiots lied to the country?
Am I supposed to care if you don't listen to me? I'm not the subject of the article.
I'm skeptical about this, too. It just seems a massively implausible claim.
He did not. There is no evidence that he did.
He made the suggestion (possibly because he was aware that the people who he had been/was lying to were going to "be there. It'll be wild") to one of his underlings... I think that they shot it down because of the optics of the president walking down to the Capitol (right after excoriating the mob with "If you don't fight like hell, you won't have a country." ) with 10,000 troops in tow to make sure that congress performed their duties "faithfully" would seem kind of like a coup. It has been awhile since I have studied it, but I believe that was the general idea.
Does the DC National Guard even have 10,000 members?
Here you go.
Also, Trump doesn't have to give the orders in writing. He just has to give them, which he clearly did.
In the end, the Generals and whoever else was responsible for making the decisions were clearly more worried about optics and the political ramifications then they were about doing their job. At the very least, the acting SecDef should have been put in prison for gross insubordination and dereliction of duty.
You forgot the quote where Trump made phone calls to DoD while the riot was in progress and asked them where the hell the NG troops he had ordered were.. Forgot?, no actually that never happened.
There are multiple eyewitnesses who say Trump did NOTHING to stop the riot. You can post all the GOP committee reports you want from congressmen that are Trump toadies. The truth is the truth.
As long as he has a cell right next to the main perp, Donald J Trump.
No, I didn't forget. What I did was address your question, which related to the actual subject of the seed.
In other words you only believe the reports that support your narrative. And you wonder why the majority of Americans reject the Jan 6th committees findings as partisan bullshit. They also only included the twisted "facts" that supported their narrative.
When you find that the majority of Americans have not actually even viewed the findings, Due to partisan bullshit that told them they weren't allowed to watch them, the accuracy of your claim, like orders to deploy when you have not the authority , like say a President, fall on deaf ears that listen attentively, as they choose to hear here only what is allowed, while ALOUD is the screaming LIES floated with an agenda to escape blame for a called for "it will be wild" purposefully incited as Trump delighted, in watching his incitemeant to stop the peaceful transfer of power almost become a reality. He could have ordered ANYONE in Law Enforcement, The National Guard, Or the Military, to quash this attempted insurection, instead he just watched it unfold and spread, while he playedwith himself in an attempt to achieve an erection from his 'stolen' election LIE he did attempt to try, irregardless of consequence where as people were like;ly to Die, to Trump, HE was worth it, a narcicistic piece of Shit
who only cared about his pathetic fate, and somehow, the ignorant stupid Americans allowed what he admitted aloud to, to escape and skate, as an undeserved pardon given, to one who should be living, behind the walls and wrought irony bars, of those not bought and paid for by Mexico, or lowered to, standards far below US, and ours !
The contortionist efforts to spin the truth of this whirled unfurled is exactly why we need to be a country made great again, and with the President elect in waiting, we may not be able to ever achieve that greatness again. When the people become too arrogant and ignorant to even view the truth about that which transpired, greatness will have expired.
Looks like we've reached that sharp point, I've made, for reality delayed, does not change the inevitable via reality denied, it just means that a country has died, all due to people being to lazy to learn the truth, as a perverted version was presented and accepted by those who bought into the lies that created the division that formed the basis of the incision that cut the United from the States, congratulations ignorant peoples, now you can reign down from higher and further than the steeples, be proud of the dreams you have taken and forsaken, all as you accuse otheres of being woken, as your awakening, was the end of a dream for so many, who gave limb and life, all to have it Trumped, by one with the knife, to it back given, was the Life,
the Life that dreams of our forefathers had made for US, given a way by one not worthy of us
Trump "ordered" NG troops to protect the Capitol, but it is not in writing. Good luck with that. But even if he did, that is superseded by his inaction during the actual riot.
Don't need luck. Looks like some people say he did and some say he didn't. You really think every order a president gives has to be in writing? He should be able to expect even his verbal orders to be carried out.
What should he have done that the people actually in charge of protecting the capital needed him? Should he have run over there and yelled at people to go home?
The president of the United States sat and watched on tv as a riot, on his behalf, enveloped the national legislature. He did or tried to do NOTHING. And you think that is acceptable. That says it all.
What should he have done that the people actually in charge of protecting the capital needed him? Should he have run over there and yelled at people to go home?
You claim he "ordered" NG to protect the Capitol. Since they werent there, wouldnt you think he would have been curious enough to make a couple phone calls and find out why?
The truth is he didnt make any such calls because he wanted the riot to succeed.
Actually I don't claim anything. I state that it seems there are conflicting reports about what he did or did not do. Unlike some here I don't pretend to know what he did or did not do and why he did or did not do it.
Probably, and?
Again, Unlike some here I don't pretend to know what he did or did not do and why he did or did not do it.
To use your own words against you...
The problem is you only want Trump as the focus. And, even if there was wrongdoing on someone else's part you excuse it with...
... as if that makes logical or legal sense whatsoever.
What Trump did or didn't do is entirely on Trump. What the SecDef, Pentagon and whoever else did is entirely on them. Trump gave them their orders and they actively worked against them. SecDef said...
This article is about how badly misinformed the public was about the Jan 6 committee. It is not about Trump. Nothing Trump did or didn't do changes that fact and no matter how loudly you shout about it it won't ever change.
That's a given.
You don't know what VOCO means do you?
“Protest peacefully and patriotically.”
Two concepts some on the left have real trouble making the connection with.
Nope, not a chance.
I think they can't make a connection to it because "peacefully" was edited out by the partisan shitshow "investigation" they are clutching so desperately to.
But then again these are the same people that claim the riots over a drug addict overdosing in 2020 "peaceful protests".
House and Senate are going to be very busy passing Trump's agenda but can hopefully set aside enough time to investigate these partisan duplicitous scoundrels.
Ah yes, once again rightwing conservatives are trying to deflect and distract from the fact that their fellow Trump supporters attacked the capital and tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. None of the above changes that simple fact. Also, just because Pelosi didn't want to preemptively deploy the national guard DOES NOT IN ANY WAY put the attack on the capital on Democrats. But I'm sure the traitors to our nation and constitution, those defending Trump and the insurrectionists, will continue to try to deflect and distract because it's all those weak fucking losers have.
Simply put , they blame everybody but Trump. The police for letting them enter the building, the mayor of DC, Nancy Pelosi, the guard that shot Babbitt, Liz Cheney, the media, ad nauseum.
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Since the article is about the DoD's response to that event, wouldn't that make you the one trying to deflect and distract? Is there something wrong with talking about how the DoD reacted on that day?
I mean, it's pretty clear to me that the DoD's response to the riot was every bit as bad as the riot itself, especially since they had the National Guard ready to go but refused to use them for what seems like political reasons. The National Guard should have been on their way to the capital the moment the rioters left the park and headed there.
In my opinion, they delayed the deployment of the Guard because they wanted the riot to happen. It was the first thought in my head as soon as I saw the live broadcast. The second thought in my head is that Pelosi was probably having unending orgasms. What's so funny is that the stated reason for not deploying the Guard was "bad optics", never mind that the Capital being overrun by a riot with absolutely no effective, or even noticeable response from the government was itself about the worst optics there could be. The only reason I can see for that is that the capital being overrun by Trump supporters was very good optics, for the Dems. And so political generals delayed the Guard.
That's what seems obvious to me. It's either that or we entrusted the safety of our country to generals so incompetent it beggars the imagination.
far worse occurred, our country was entrusted to Trump
Thankfully
And will be again. Seems he didn't do so bad the first time if Americans want him back for an encore.
That's right up there with claiming GW Bush was behind 9/11 to get us into the Iraq war. It's frankly bat shit crazy.
Crazy and disgusting.
The "bad optics" would have been to preemptively deploy the NG and have conservatives criticize Democrats for overreacting and daring to use them against American citizens who at that point hadn't done anything wrong.
Grade A fucking Qanon conspiracy theory lunacy. Do you also believe that Democrats can control hurricanes like MTG believes or that there are Jewish Space lasers or that the Hawaii fires were caused by "directed energy attacks" that didn't work on blue tarps?
It goes against the narrative put forth by the partisan shit for brains committee.
All to play victim.
Concerning Jan 6th, all someone had to do was delay the response to what Trump supporters created all by themselves in order to give the Dems invaluable political capital. Especially in light of what I posted in 4.3 . Given that, what, exactly, is batshit crazy about it? The National Guard was ready and waiting but was not deployed when it would do the most good. What is your explanation for why that was?
Do you really think the image of rioters overrunning the Capital, at all, let alone for so long, was a better optic? Both for our citizens and perhaps more importantly, for our enemies and allies on the world stage? Are you saying protecting the Capital was secondary to protecting the Dem's image?
The truth is, any competent person responsible for the safety of the Capital would have had a lot more police present at the Capital that day, with the National Guard in the wings. Given that there wasn't enough police present, the Guard should have been deployed the moment the crowd started for the Capital. The optics of that would have been orders of magnitude better than a government that could not protect the Capital and the people there.
Do you think I'm stupid enough to think your examples here are anything like an individual or two within the chain of command responsible for the safety of the Capital delaying the response to the riot are even remotely the same? That is, do you think a claim that Dems can control hurricanes is actually in the same category as a person intentionally delaying a response to a situation they did not directly create are the same, impossible examples? That there's no way an individual would delay a response to the riot, even though all evidence points to that very thing?
As Biden might put it "C'mon, man!"
In all actuality, Dismayed Patriot, your only tactic seems to be saying it's a conspiracy theory, as if labeling it such is sufficient for the argument to stand. It is an ad hominem argument offered without actually addressing the issue or presenting counter-arguments or evidence. In other words, it's simply something someone does when they can't counter the argument.
Amazing.
The Ds had just won the presidential election. Their motivation was to establish the Biden administration and get things rolling with a D PotUS. Yet when Trump's supporters broke & entered the Capitol to disrupt the final step in certifying Biden as president-elect, your first thought was that the Ds wanted this to happen. Because of good 'optics'.
Almost four years later, is it still your 'thought'? Seems so from what you wrote.
That is correct. And?
I see you ignored my post:
That is okay, it was meant for others anyway as a prime example of doing spectacular somersaults to try to blame an opposing party.
I did not ignore it. I simply don't see what you think it does to dispel my accusation. It would be hard to imagine giving the Dems a greater gift than what occurred on January 6th. I recall saying at the time it was occurring that all the talk of a coup or insurrection was pure nonsense; simply propaganda, as there was no way that the government would fall or that Biden could fail to be certified, even if it was delayed, as was proven by the fact that Biden was certified that day.
So, even though what was occurring at the Capital concerning certification, it would not be a reason Dems would not also be delighted by a riot at the Capital as well. They certainly milked it for all it was worth and did their utmost to present it as a conspiracy on Trump's part to take down democracy.
That said, if you want to counter my argument, present evidence that shows those in charge of getting control of the Capital back could not have done anything other than what they did. I think that's going to be a hard sell on your part.
That "wonderful gift" is to have the Congressional event where their newly elected president was to be formally declared as such to be violently disrupted???
You think that the Ds wanted to be distracted from completing the transition and getting on with their new administration simply because of some ugly optics???
That seems rational to you? That seems logical to you?
You think you made an argument? Are you unaware that the person with the primary responsibility of deploying the National Guard to handle the insurrection was Trump? Pence, Pelosi, and Shumer all were actively working with people to get them to convince Trump to send in the National Guard. Pence was working with Miller (the correct point person who would officially deploy the guard given Trump's approval). Pelosi and Shumer also contacted Miller, and others like the AG. They also contacted Governors of adjacent states to send their NG.
What was Trump doing, Drakk?
You think these people all wanted to potentially put themselves in harms way because of optics favorable to the Ds when they had just won the presidency and were focused on transition and inauguration??? They wanted angry, violent, Trump-incensed supporters to be searching the halls for them??? Keep in mind that something like this had never happened in US history. It likely shocked everyone when it happened.
I think DP is right, you are putting forth a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Good to know. Until you can come up with a credible explanation that explains why those responsible took so long to react to the riot with the National Guard, you really aren't doing much different than DP. Just an ad hominem effort to claim it's a conspiracy theory.
You just ignored a very detailed explanation with many questions for you. That is pretty much what I expected you would do.
This is not that complicated. When Trump had an oval office meeting in the third week of December and he was told by DOJ officials that they would not play ball with him on his electoral vote schemes he went on twitter and called for his supporters to descend on DC on Jan 6th. "It will be wild". The plan was whatever comes next, whatever can be done. If he couldnt cheat and win he would try and intimidate and win. The people who went to the Capitol were expected to do whatever they could. Trump didnt try and stop the riot because he was hoping it would succeed, that is plain as day.
You are explaining the obvious to the wrong person.
Yes. I did. Why should I bother when you don't address anything in my initial post? It's pretty clear the Guard could have been deployed immediately. They were already ready and waiting before the riot even happened. So why weren't they? What reason other than politics could one give for not deploying and who would benefit?
There is no smoking gun that definitively proves my suspicions. There's no email or video that presents us with irrefutable evidence. However, either we have to believe that those in charge of Capital security, SecDef and the Pentagon are guilty of brobdingnagian incompetence of staggering proportions or this happened intentionally. I have a hard time that so many could be that incompetent.
Because Trump refused to deploy them?
Nothing like this has ever happened in our history. Most people likely were shocked that it actually happened. That is no excuse for not being prepared but it is a pretty good explanation for how the Capitol could be caught with its pants down.
Regardless, Drakk, Trump is the guy with the control and the ultimate responsibility. He had plenty of time to act after his supporters broke and entered the Capitol and he did nothing other than send out a tweet against Pence that fueled the fire.
Why did Trump sit around and refuse (much evidence) to take action (e.g. allow Miller to deploy the National Guard) (e.g. just tell his supporters to cease & desist right away)?
It is far more reasonable (and there is much more supporting evidence) that Trump was pleased that his supporters disrupted the proceedings than that the Ds wanted to put all of Congress in jeopardy of a violent mob which would stop them from formalizing their D nominee as president-elect and disrupt their work to transition to the Biden administration and then formally inaugurate Biden ... simply because they wanted even more negative optics from Trump.
Your hypothesis strikes me as absurd.
Evidence?
The security of the Capital is the province of the US Capital Police Force and is overseen by four members of the Capital Police Board. In short, Congress is responsible for the security of the Capital. I'm pointing this out in order to cover all the bases, not because of anything you said.
Concerning the National Guard, they fall under the authority of the SecDef under the circumstances that prevailed. According to Milley's own testimony, Trump had already given the order to use the Guard if necessary.
Same with the SecDef, Christopher Miller.
Which is a pretty stupid comment to make. When your commander tells you to do something, you don't wonder if he's being serious or have the option of choosing how to interpret it. If you are unclear about the orders you ask clarifying questions. In any case, even if Trump had called to reorder Miller to send the troops, he made it quite clear that he wouldn't do it.
Trump may very well carry a lot of responsibility concerning that day, but how the SecDef and the Pentagon (meaning various military officials involved) carried out their duty, or failed to in this case, is not Trump's fault.
No, it isn't a good excuse because the FBI, DHS and other agencies knew of the threat.
Some of the information in this quote seems conflicting. For instance, the third and last paragraph seem to. However, it is clear that there was a known credible threat and, depending on how it is read, the threat was not disseminated or disseminated ineffectively. There was enough information available that it easily warranted being prepared for. It wasn't, for the most part. It seems that the National Guard was ready and waiting but even after the threat became reality, they did not deploy them for more than two hours.
Taken altogether, this goes beyond gross incompetence, doesn't it? Almost as if there was an effort to not protect the Capital. There are simply too many points of failure to be credibly attributed to "no one expected this" or even incompetence.
Miller already had that authority. Trump gave it to him three days before the riot per General Milley and Miller. Miller didn't do it until it until the pressure forced him to. According to his words, he was afraid that once the Guard was federalized, Trump would then order them to take control of Congress for his own goals.
Which was an incredibly stupid position to take. First, if he couldn't obey orders he should have resigned. Second, did he really think an uncontrolled riot was preferred to re-establishing control with the Guard? Third, he eventually sent in the Guard anyway and Trump did not invoke the Insurrection Act, nor even mention it. No indication he had his own plans for the Guard at all.
In other words, he played this by the " Trump is going to seize power " playbook that the Dems had been presenting for weeks.
Really? I'd never have guess it.
Who do the Capital Police answer to ? Who does the US Capital Police Force members on the Capital Police Force Board, answer to ? And in drastic extreme circumstances, even Congress doesn't get a say, thus why they are often after the POTUS to declare War or something if we are dropping bombs from our forces upon others.
I believe everyone here could answer WHO, is Ultimately the one that is in charge of all of these examples of those having fingers pointed at them ?
It would be of course the POTUS
The same clown who, knowing that he LOST the 2020 Presidential Election yet still continued the LIE that the election was stolen from him, and the cult members that showed up to his come to DC , it will be wild invitation, sure believed the clown. Cause they were told for months how if he lost, they MUSTA Cheated ! And it was echoed every damn day by the 'right' wing Republicans, Media, and Social Media. When one needs to be deciphered all the time, just as he needed to be deciphered on interpretations of his interpretations and misinterpretations, people of intelligence need to double or triple question him, as he was so ignorant to our Laws and Constitution,as Trump either not knowing, or knowing and not caring, wanted to do many an outrageous thing, and was talked out of most of them by experienced people familiar with common sense and, with the Law.
. Irregardless of WHO dropped the ball, it is ultimately Trumps' fault. He was the reason they were there, to try and stop some Bull Shit LIE about a stolen election. then Trump riled em up and off they went.
While he sat back and marveled at what HE caused, and then ntook almost THREE FCKN HOURS, to tell HIS rioting insurectionists that they were all good people and to go home now....
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It sure seems like many around here didn't even catch a glimpse of the hearings, but why would I expect people to be informed, as most Trump defenders I know seem to be D
Sorry. "Trust Me" is not a valid source by any means.
Hey, Ig, not to be snarky, but you literally quoted what answers your question. The Capital Police Board is made up the Sergeant at Arms of the House, who is answerable to the House speaker; the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate, who is answerable to the Vice President of the US; the Architect of the Capital and the Chief of Police of the Capital police. The executive office, meaning POTUS, is not involved.
Actually, Congress declares war. POTUS is the Commander in Chief. And in the circumstances that prevailed on Jan 6th, Congress certainly does get a say. Everyone on the Capital Police Board was requesting help from the Pentagon but were being denied because so many elements were trying to undercut POTUS's authority, both within and without his own chain of command.
In short, the Dems were at least as responsible for how things turned out on that day. That is a fact.
That you think the original Jan 6th committee was anywhere near legit rather than propaganda is, to me, the bigger mystery.
And, just so that you remember, the PotUS is the ultimate authority for dispatching the DCNG in cases of events such as a violent attack on the Capitol. Trump had both the duty and the power to dispatch the DCNG to counter the breaking and entering of the Capitol by his supporters.
TRUMP DID NOT ACT after he was was well-informed and after advisors and even family members asked him to dispatch the DCNG.
Quotes like this suggest that Miller was responsible for not deploying the DCNG. But Miller works for Trump. So we circle back again to the fact that TRUMP DID NOT ACT to deploy the DCNG.
Further, if Miller was responsible then how do you translate that into the Ds wanting to put all of Congress in danger from an uncontrolled mob of emotionally charged Trump supporters who believed Trump's claim that the election was stolen and that there were disenfranchised?
It was not an excuse, but a reason why people would not take the threat of a violent attack on our Capitol as seriously as they should have. Next time, given it has happened, they will take the same signs much more seriously. Human nature.
A different question. I am not and have never argued that the Capitol was properly guarded. I fully agree that it was woefully understaffed. When the insurrection was in force, I was amazed in real-time that our Capitol was such a soft target. Really shocking. But, again, that is not what we are debating. We are debating (at least we were debating) the crazy notion that the Democratic party wanted a violent attack / disruption on the Capitol because it was beneficial optics for them.
But Trump still refused to deploy the DCNG. Why did Trump not call Miller and ask him 'where is the DCNG?'? Do you think Miller would have refused to follow an order ... in real-time ... from the PotUS to deploy the DCNG to deal with a violent attack on the Capitol?? TRUMP DID NOT ACT.
None of this applies to what I thought we were debating: the claim that the Ds wanted violence and/or distruption at the Capitol for optics.
As I noted earlier:
It makes no sense that the Democrats wanted to potentially put themselves in harms way because of favorable optics when they had just won the presidency and were focused on transition and inauguration. They would not want angry, violent, Trump-incensed supporters searching the halls for them and disrupting the formalization of their nominee as president-elect. They of course wanted to get on with the transition, plan the inauguration and continue working through the appointments and logistics for the peaceful transfer of power.
They already had the two preceding months of negative optics from Trump. He already did a great job of making the GOP and himself look terrible. The Ds had (for free) all the optics that they needed (and more). Furthermore, they had won; the priority was establishing an administration, not taking crazy risk just to add more optics in an optics-rich situation.
Donald Trump has been asked four times (that I know of, there may have been more) on national television to explain what he is doing on the afternoon of the 6th while the riot was underway. He told one interviewer "I'm not going to tell you that" and with the other three he changed the subject immediately. That is consciousness of guilt.
We know what happened. Trump did not try to end the riot because he wanted it to succeed.
Who is we? It seems most Americans don't buy into the Trump hysteria even after the impeachment and four years of Trump haters running around screaming at the top of their lungs about the end of democracy.
“The end of democracy” and “insurrection” have been so overused they have lost meaning, just like “racist/racism”.
Many seem to buy into "If we just say it one more time everyone will believe us" philosophy.
Your entire post is a red herring. There was no need for Trump to actually do anything. Your post makes it seem that the Guard could not be released until Trump actually called Miller and told him to deploy. In fact, not only is it incorrect on several points but it misleads the reader that Trump necessarily had to issue a direct order in order for the Guard to be deployed. That is not the reality.
There is now ample evidence that Trump directed the SecDef and the Pentagon to have the National Guard ready, regardless of how they inexplicably chose to interpret his directive otherwise. Further, the authority to actually deploy the Guard was delegated to the SecDef by Executive Order 11485. That authority is further delegated to both the Secretary of the Army and Air Force.
That means three people other than Trump could have sent in the Guard at any time on their own authority given the directives POTUS already issued and assuming the SecDef did not issue orders to the Secretaries of the Army and Air Force not to act without his approval. Trying to blame Trump for this is like a Company Commander trying to pass on his failure to begin the planned attack at the planned time because the Commanding General didn't call him at the time to tell him to begin.
As I said, a red herring. Just an attempt to make it all Trump's fault.
When the Capitol is under attack and the DCNG has not been called, I would say there is indeed a need for Trump to do something.
If you were PotUS and you knew that your supporters were violently breaking & entering the Capitol, would you just sit there or would you call Miller and ask him why the DCNG are not currently at the Capitol?
You cannot escape the fact that Trump knew what was going on yet TRUMP DID NOT ACT.
Because Miller's refusal to send in the Guard makes no sense otherwise. Liz Cheney organized the op-ed piece that Miller referred to in the quote...
If memory serves, in the lead-up to the actual rally on the 6th, I recall the talking heads talking about how Trump might use Title 10 in order to federalize the Guard in order to take over the government. In fact, there seemed to be no stone unturned as far as trotting out every possible nefarious possibility on how Trump could overthrow the country. As far as Trump goes, Cheney seemed to be in that same camp.
Miller's quote above and the other two...
... indicates to me that Miller's mindset seemed to be running in the same direction as the Dem's and Cheney's. That is, they were doing everything they could to keep Trump from having access to the Guard or to at least set him up as an authoritarian despot if he did. Prior to the 6th, it's clear that the Dems, Cheney and the SecDef didn't want Trump to have anything to do with the Guard.
In a Reuters report, Miller said...
Right. I see that facts aren't going to get me anywhere. Have a nice day.
Oh, and that isn't necessarily true, either.
Of course, you're likely to say something like " Yeah, but Meadows isn't the president so it doesn't count " or something that means the same thing. So, supposing Trump did personally call Miller. In light of the evidence I've already provided, which is only a fraction that is available, do you think Miller would have told Trump something different than he told Meadows concerning the bogus reason he wasn't deploying the Guard? He lied to Meadows about the Guard not being ready when they actually were ready before the riot even began. Why would he not also lie to Trump? And, even if he said "Yes, sir" do you really think he still would not have dragged his feet? You're dreaming if so. Miller appeared to have been committed to his course of action.
It should also be noted that in the last two paragraphs, Cheney absolutely lied about all of that. The facts do not support her report at all.
Now, have a nice day.
This is far far far beyond ridiculous. The Federalist is not a reliable source, nor is Ornato.
On the afternoon of Jan 6th Donald Trump did nothing , nothing, to try and get help for the Capitol police deployed to the riot. Nothing. How do we KNOW he did nothing (other than all the witnesses in the White House who say he did nothing) ? Trump has been asked about this numerous times and refuses to directly answer the question. Meet The Press asked him, last year, what he was doing and he said "I'm not going to tell you". Another time he tried to blame Pelosi for his own inaction. Another time when he was asked he IMMEDIATELY began to bring up the border.
If Trump had a good explanation for his behavior he would tell the world about it. He has never done so. He has demonstrated extreme consciousness of guilt. Because he's guilty.
I would suggest you stop putting so much faith in discredited GOP House committees, and Trump.
John you will deny anything that disproves the lie that Trump did nothing, Cheney lied, it’s no longer up for dispute, like Russian collusion, or Hunters laptop, Or Jussie was attacked by racists, or my favorite trump paid no taxes even after Maddows stunning revelation. Stop repeating lies!
Of course its up for dispute. I dont believe Ornato, he is a Trump lackey. What is wrong with you?
PLEASE tell us what Trump did WHILE THE RIOT WAS TAKING PLACE, to try and stop it? This is the simplest question, one Trump has been asked at least four times on national television in the past couple years, and one that he refuses to answer. That is the whole ball game.
He had his chief of staff call the national guard and Cheney delayed the order with the help of former SecDefs, prove it wrong.
You can speculate and invent all sorts of little narratives about what happened, but in the end the DCNG was not deployed by Miller until after 3pm — two hours into the insurrection. They did not arrive at the site until after 5pm.
There is substantial evidence that Trump knew exactly what was taking place at the Capitol and refused to act. There is no credible evidence that Trump acted to deploy the DCNG upon learning that his supporters were violently breaking & entering the Capitol.
The fact that the DCNG were not deployed until after 3pm demonstrates that the PotUS did not issue a deployment order upon learning of a violent attack on the Capitol. Further, if Trump had issued an order do you really think people like you would have to twist themselves into pretzels trying to defend him? No, Trump would have used this as his first counter. In reality, Trump has never claimed to have deployed the NG in response to the actual violence. Instead, he claimed that he offered the NG prior to the event (the detail there is to provide protection for his supporters). So even Trump has not put forth this ridiculous lie.
TRUMP DID NOT ACT
But the above is not the point that I was addressing anyway. It is a distraction from your ridiculous hypothesis that the D party wanted the Capitol to be attacked by Trump supporters for optics. That they wanted the final step of formalizing their nominee as president-elect to be interrupted and possibly postponed and to put themselves in danger from a violent mob. That after two months of Trump's Big Lie and the outrageous, damaging optics for Trump and the GOP, they sought more optics rather than focus on the peaceful transfer of power and the establishment of the Biden administration.
Not on Jan 6th.
What do you think, you can just say things and make it so? Trump has never said or claimed he told Meadows to call the national guard on Jan 6th, and Meadows has never claimed or said it . So what is your proof they did it? A discredited GOP committee filled with crackpots and a secret service agent who had his head up Trump's ass ?
The “D” in TDS stands for delusion.
Calling Jan 6th an insurrection, is a complete joke. Along with anyone who claims it was an insurrection.
That does not represent my hypothesis or is a summation of it. Dems and the media had spent weeks demonizing Trump and the upcoming rally, including trying to insinuate that Trump was going to use the Guard to stage a coup. They characterized the Trump supporters as extreme right wing, white supremacists and anything else they could come up with. They were certainly hoping for something. I do not think they expected the attack on the Capital that occurred. I think they expected a confrontation at the park or even at the capital, not in or on it but, since it did, I believe those who actually control the Dem party, whether known or those in the background, took recognized the obvious political capital that had been handed them on a silver platter.
This is my hypothesis because there was no reason whatsoever for not sending the Guard the moment the first person crossed the barrier at the Capital. There is none for waiting as long as they did. We know that the reason it took as long as it did to respond was because the SecDef deliberately withheld them. The Capital had largely been overrun for hours, everybody and their sister was screaming for the Guard to be deployed, including the White House and the Mayor of DC. The SecDef had the power to send them any time he wished, since he not only had that authority to do so, but already had been ordered by the POTUS to use them to keep DC safe.
Rioters were in the Capital. The people begging for the Guard were telling the SecDef and various officials at the Pentagon that lives were at risk. Specifically, members of Congress, who were undoubtedly calling and wondering where the hell the Guard was. And still the Guard was not sent. The Guard had been ready even before the riot. They were waiting on busses at the armory.
So, why, TiG? The only reason I can think of was, given the evidence, once the riot began, someone in the Dem command recognized the opportunity for political gain and worked to prevent an immediate response to the situation. I doubt they had a clear, moment-by-moment knowledge of just what was going on in the Capital building itself but was probably getting some intel from phone calls from members inside. I think they let it play out until they felt they didn't need anything else.
There's nothing ridiculous about it. It certainly is well within the realm of possible, given the way Dems work. An organization that would commission something like the Steele dossier or that abortion of Christine Blasy Ford/Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop and other such examples would certainly be capable of taking advantage of such a golden opportunity.
But, go ahead and stick with "but Trump!" That doesn't require much effort.
So out of all I wrote, all you have is to complain about how to label the breaking and entering of the US Capitol. Totally ignoring the actual point.
Likely they were hoping for Trump to finally STFU so that they could get on with the peaceful transfer of power and the establishment of the Biden administration.
So why did Trump not get on the phone and order same?
Not only is this cliche and weak, it does not even apply here.
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This is one of the crazier posts I've seen here in a while. Borderline unhinged.
You have that ass backwards, Trump had spent two months demonizing the Dems and the media.
Donald Trump did not make a single phone call to find why the Guard hadnt been sent. That is dereliction of duty of the highest magnitude. You can make shit up as much as you want, it cant change the truth.
This is one of the crazier posts I’ve ever read here:
In case you've forgotten it you can find if you scroll allllll the way up to the very top, where you can read the headline of the article that outlines what we are discussing. Hint: it has nothing to do with Trump.
Many can't get that point. But because the article goes against their narrative and they can't dispute it, they turn to Trump.
Right?! I mean, I've clearly laid out a lot that the Dem committee left out of their propaganda. How the delay of the deployment of the Guard was entirely the fault of the SecDef, who appeared to be working directly against Trump and what he had directed him to do. Miller stonewalled Meadows when he called to tell him to get the Guard moving and somehow it would have turned out different if only Trump himself had called. That the Guard was wondering what the hell the holdup was. How Miller actually lied about the offer of 10,000 troops and all the rest.
Like you said, they can't dispute it. In fact, they don't care about disputing it. When your whole schtick is simply selling the narrative, truth really doesn't matter, except in how well you can spin it to your purposes.
Truth is, once you go too far down the "I hate Trump" road, nothing the man does is acceptable. They see nefarious intent in every action or planned action and find fault with everything he does, no matter how insignificant. They'll happily turn it into a scandal. Right now, their media is putting out news story after news story, trying to convince everyone dumb enough to listen that what they "predict" has, for all intents and purposes, practically already happened. They are doing their damnedest to poison the well before he even gets to office.
You, yourself, is someone who said, on this seed, that Trump had been demonized by the Democrats over the post election controversy.
That assertion, in itself, calls your analysis into unovercomable bias. Trump's actions, and inaction, on Jan 6th are well known. Trump had a duty to try and stop the riot, and did nothing. This is not opinion , it is fact established by the testimony of people who were with him at the White House that day.
BUT, even that is not the main story of his attempts to steal the election, they are but the end of it. His plans to steal the election began before election day.
Everybody has laid that out. And they keep denying it. The excuses are always the same..."the committee said", then blather on and on about completely unrelated nonsense.
Is it also your assertion that your analysis of pretty much anything is not overcomeable bias?
And he was 100% correct.
Much like yours that "he's unfit" despite NOTHING backing up the claim.
and you refuse to acknowledge ANY that don't fit your narrative.
See the article. It kind of proves you wrong.
LMAO. I don't see any link to back up your claim (again).
I am responding to your hypothesis that the Ds wanted Trump supporter's to break & enter the Capitol and disrupt the proceedings because it produced good optics for the Ds:
My first reply to you @6.2.8 dealt with that:
I quoted you and replied to that which I quoted. Nice and neat with no mention of Trump. As you added deflections, I dealt with that. If you would have stuck with the point of contention, I would have done likewise.
Right... My response to 6.2.8 was...
6.2.8 was simply your opinion on my view which had only incredulity as a basis. I stated why I do not find it that incredible at all, as such things are provably how Dems regularly operate for decades, and they're only getting worse. I then ended with the portion in red, to which you responded...
You deflected, TiG. You, in post after post, kept trying to make the failure to timely deploy the Guard a Trump issue rather than a DoD issue, which is what the argument was about. I have apparently wasted a lot of time showing you incontrovertible evidence that it doesn't matter in the least what Trump was or wasn't doing because the SecDef had 1) all the authority to deploy the Guard when requested by the Capital or the Mayor, which was submitted by each right away, 2) the Guard was prepared and ready to move even before the riot happened, and 3) SecDef already had been ordered to use them, as many as needed, by Trump three days prior. Rather than address any of that, you just kept endlessly repeating "But Trump!"
Now, I've shown that it was you deflecting. If you think I have, show me where.
Is it your hypothesis that the Ds wanted Trump supporters to break & enter the Capitol and disrupt the proceedings because it produced good optics for the Ds?
No, not that specifically. As I said earlier, I don't think anyone expected or thought that the riot would actually happen. I think everyone was surprised, including Trump. My hypothesis is that once begun, someone in the Dem hierarchy, or perhaps even higher, recognized what a political goldmine this would be and worked to prevent the Guard's deployment in order to maximize that goldmine. I have no evidence that this was the case, but given the data, it makes more sense than anything else. I explained all of that in my various posts above and I'm not going to repeat it again, so don't ask. It comes down to the fact that the Guard could have been deployed as soon as the barriers at the Capital were threatened but it took more than three hours before SecDef deployed them. The question "why" remains unanswered except by loud shouts of "Trump!" by you and everyone else on the Left. You never actually addressed anything I said at all, except simply expressing incredulity at my suspicions, as if that constitutes evidence for your position.
Context:
Incorporating your qualification:
Is it your hypothesis that —once Trump supporters violently attacked the Capitol— the Ds wanted them to disrupt the proceedings and be put in a position of danger because it produced good optics for the Ds?
Again, this paragraph sums it up:
And this paragraph further emphasizes my argument:
The argument I have used (obviously) is that it is extremely unlikely that the Ds would want the peaceful transfer of power disrupted, that they be in harm's way all to add yet another shit optic to the shit-optics-rich reality that Trump had forged for the prior two months.
They won the election. Trump revealed himself as a fool and a scoundrel. They wanted to move to inauguration and the end of Trump.
It is ridiculous to think that the Ds were happy that the formalization of their nominee as president-elect was disrupted and that they are all in harm's way just because this is yet another good optic for them.
What, you are gonna bitch shame all of those wanna be Senate and Congressional martyrs...?
The creativity involved to justify the blatantly obvious, impedes obviously, any progress, in reaching the regress, and if that it wasn't so damn detrimental, it would certainly impress expediential,
but all it does, is make one question motives and capacity mental
Except all of what you said is your rewording of what I have said in order to make your argument work. I never said Dems planned for this to happen. I did not say they saw what actually happened as likely to happen. I am claiming that it is entirely possible, even probable, that once it did happen, they took advantage of it. And not in a "we held a vote among us Dems and we decided to see if we could delay a response to the riot" sort of way, either.
There is absolutely nothing ridiculous in the claim that the riot was a goldmine for the Dems. Pelosi, Shumer and many others were in contact with the SecDef, DoD and other military officials. You can see video of them talking to them or talking about having talked to them from a secure location in the Capital, where most of Congress was already safely holed up, having never even seen a rioter. Others were holed up in their offices or wherever. Not a single one of them were accosted by any rioters so, while danger was present, it wasn't as immediate as we are expected to believe by the media. Given the Dem penchant and overused fondness for staging propaganda investigations and committees, it is a small, small step to make the connection that they took advantage of this exactly because any idiot knew when the riot was occurring that those idiots in the riot could not have given their perceived enemies a greater gift if they had tried.
And the one thing you never addressed except to put it down to "human nature" is why, why, why was the Guard delayed? There was no reason for it. There was no miscommunication. There was no fog of anything. So, why?
And that ends this for me. You're likely to just keep offering "it just doesn't make sense" or something to that effect, as you have been, and I don't have the time or interest anymore.
Is it your hypothesis that —once Trump supporters violently attacked the Capitol— the Ds wanted them to disrupt the proceedings and be put in a position of danger because it produced good optics for the Ds?
It would not be a surprise at all. Although I do believe it got past the point even they could be hoping for once it started but I am sure they were happy it did give them the opportunity for impeachment 2.0, not to mention months of sound bites on cable news.
Of course the most obvious flaw is that the Trump haters seem to believe only Trump could have called in the national guard
For the purposes of judging Donald Trump it doesnt matter at all whether anyone else could have activated the guard. What HE didnt do is what matters.
Why no complaining about anyone else whose main responsibility may have been the protection of the capital and calling out the national guard? Trump was the scapegoat, plain and simple to anyone that can objectively look at it.
Trump is the guy who incited these people in the first place.
Trump was the sitting PotUS during a violent attack on our Capitol by his supporters.
Scapegoat?? He is the guy who triggered all of this through months of lying, emotive rhetoric and the guy who could have stopped it with a phone call. In addition, as PotUS, is was his duty to do what is necessary to stop his supporters and protect the Capitol and the members of Congress who were in harm's way.
Only in the reality Trump has created, can the absolute no doubt cause of this 'riot', be some how claimed as the scapegoat. The ridiculousness of the argument those on the 'right' put forth is too far fetched, at this point, to even be worthy of a reply, imho.
You know what? Its working for them. At this point in time in our country, as long as you stick to your lies and have an unscrupulous media machine to promote the lies you can have "success". Sad times for the USA.
I thought folks would stop trying to sell the same shit after the election since very few, if any have bought it. I guess some are gearing up for impeachment 3.0
Sure didn't work out to well for Harris and the dem and media machines this time around. The Biden is mentally capable lie didn't work out too well either.
read the following sentence from your quoted post.
Spending two years in prison for wiping your balls with Nancy Pelosi's office phone is certainly more shocking to lighting fires during the George Floyd riots.