Don't Be A Sucker
By: @TheBestFilmArchives
I came across this today. It is surprisingly relevant.
have seen versions of the chest thumping that goes on in this 1947 film occurring in many instances. It is one of the issues that I see occurring with more frequency.
It could be that I am just more sensitive to them. But I look at Donald Trump and I see America, the idea of America, being turned on its head daily. I have been chastised before for calling these signs of fascism and the people who espouse them fascists, but that characterization meshes with my observations.
Maybe the actions are not as bad as the actions that led to WWII, but as the short film shows, the fascists didn't just ride into town and set up shop:It took time for the creation of the fascist states.
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Sorry if this is not properly formatted. Give the video a watch and tell me what you think.
And for fun, I will juxtapose against another, more recent video
Will the first person to actually watch Tucker please tell me what he said past the two minute mark?
I didn't even make it to the 2 minute mark.
Well, I watched the video in its entirety.
It is mostly about Joe Biden not (wink-wink) being a dictator. It would be humorous if it were not for the fact that many people will believe the obvious line of balderdash coming from his pie hole. What is funny about the whole thing is that most of the things that he is back-handedly accusing Joe Biden of are things that Donald Trump actually did do during his presidency. But hey, don't look at him, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Exactly
The project factor is so obvious that only a blind partisan would ignore it. Trump lives in a palatial mansion and visits his many other properties. Nobody cares to talk about that man's properties as a political tool to make discord, because well assuming he came by those properties legally—more power to him! Of course, "phoney" Carlson did not mention the obvious about Trump properties-he is a smart fool after all! Donald Trump would call Tucker out and Tucker is too slick to let that happen. Especially now that he is trying to shore up his depleted cash flow and loss of income streaming from Fox News!
I watched the whole thing and it was hard (I speeded it up in settings), because I did not want to go past the opening 30 second mark! The partisan peddling was apparent by that point.
I felt I needed to cleanse myself after I watched it. LOL
Just cataloging the inaccuracies and outright lying would take vast amounts of time much less making reasoned refutations of them all. Kudos to the people who do this type of thing on a daily basis.
I made it as far as Tucker complaining that Ashli Babbitt's mother was arrested for complaining that Ashli Babbitt "complained". That's what we're calling breaking and entering and attempting to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after an election - "complaining". That was when I got disgusted enough at the blatant dishonesty that I was in danger of punching my monitor.
He seems to think that if Fox "News" only deliberately made false and inflammatory statements for 27 seconds, and then took them down, well, that's ok, then. Lying for a minute would have been too much, but in journalism (it pains me to even call it that), there's a 27-second rule for dropped lies before they stick.
This is what (some) conservatives want for this country. More of telling the citizens lies,while they bank profits and wildly out proportion salaries at the expense of the working poor. It's the name of the change: Being bold to lie (to our faces) and then come back for a second round of profit and salary earning; and, then a third round of the same. But, I do not pity his listening audience - as if Fox News wasn't bad enough and the franchise player blew up in their faces - now he has Twitter and no other supervision or oversight for his lies. I don't pity his audience, they could have broken away after Fox News dropped him. . . they followed him of their own will voluntarily.
Therefore, the smart conservative shall know not to listen to a damn thing Tucker says as truth.
running low on whataboutisms?
Really, it was just distortion. Distortion of fact, Distortion of reality.
Remember that FOX only claims to be entertainment.
... not in your lifetime.
Quite often, but not that most ever really care to mention. It's always so much easier to blame the conservatives while portraying themselves as pure as new fallen snow.
Surely you see this as a shared attribute of ideologues and partisans in general.
Since the comment you are replying to is from Texan, I can only guess at it's content from the context of the replies. If you are suggesting that I think that "Conservative bad, Liberal good" you are mistaken. I have known quite a few people in my life from a wide variety of backgrounds and think that mostly all of them are capable and cogent people. Some people I do not respect because they are rigid in their beliefs to the point of pushing them on others. Every person is unique and has a unique personal history which gives them a unique perspective to build their own personal story from.
I have observed that in the recent years the Republican party has shifted into more of a proscriptive stance where they craft legislation about personal matters and try to tell people what they cannot do in realms where the state has no authority to speak. I feel that this type of behavior, basically the criminalizing of who certain people are, is fascist in thought and designed to make some people "others" by merely being who they are.
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Of course
You should know with all the scrutiny you give liberals! Answer your own question with facts. . . and links, please.
i only recognize non ferrous irony, cause it should be easy to see what one saw, cut, without ripping a cross engrained with particles maga tized, to attract those that which are apparently not free to choose a choice as in to whether ore not to hear A, or possibly read exhibit A, and knot just because it B, ewe won't C, because U can never agree with a D, as F it would, G, i don't know, make sense it does not matter, for anything D is dumb, while n e thing GOP see, is in all ways far superior to those damn inferiors who should all go to H e double hockey stix in ones mind, due to so much glue, huffed and puffed till they blow their own house down, which is the inevitable, when juggled by a clown, whom so many just can't seem to put down, asz he burns through their asbestos heat shields like a Challenger O ring forged and pulled from the molten liquid rivers of Mounting Doom and the mighty Maga making molten hot lava lamps that enlighten their plight to crash their own inn flight movie whilst they struggle to keep conscious while inhaling the Trump gas burnt fumes logged by those drinking Lagers, because they wished to be lumberjacks, cause they're okay....
To be quite honest, my response to Texan was directed solely at him and actually had nothing to do with you. As far as you were were concerned, I was not suggesting anything either way, but by all means you are free to think what you will.
I've seen clips of that old bag 'o maga in action. a real maga heroine, it probably won't be too much longer before she's taking a dirt nap with her daughter.
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Why should he,? You don't!
Feel free to compare and contrast the two videos.
I am interested in seeing if anyone else has the same observations as I do.
Tucker Carlson is utterly straight propaganda and conning his viewers that won't take the time to (or don't care to) find out the truth of what he is not saying. For instance, Tucker lives in a very nice and wealthy home befitting his successful status as a propagandist and partisan opinionist. Joe Biden, equal to his status as a lifelong politician and a sitting president, lives in a dwelling fitting for the type and number of guests and visitors a former senator, former vice-president, and current president should be expected to own. Additionally, Joe Biden is subject to people wanting to 'spy' out his home, take selfies and make memories in front of, and so why would he live in a 'paltry' ascetic home?
Incidentally, it is petty for Tucker to try to "home-shame" Joe. It's typical of a fool like Tucker, nevertheless.
Only at three minutes and it sounds like people today.
What I found unbelievable was how they talked about all of us are Americans and this was filmed at a time when racism and segregation was in full bloom which pretty much made the video nonsense, IMO.
The way the Nazi attacked various minorities is classic and you are starting to see the ''others'' being singled out in the US.
America was and continues to be racist. I would like to believe that we are getting better.
It is getting better. However, so are the forces aligned against inclusion, equity/equality/diversity getting better aligned. It has made the video above relevant (not the Carlson video)!
Honestly I did not see it from your perspective. I believe that it shows at least an attempt at being fair to all. But, at the same time it is a propaganda piece.
Yes, it is a propaganda piece, and perhaps the reason that we see it in a different light is quite simple, Being Indian and of a much different skin color I clearly remember that time period and the racism and segregation that went with it.
I agree. At the same time there is what the nation aspires to be and the nation as it actually is. A wide discrepancy exists even today between the two. I don't believe that we will ever achieve perfection in toto, but we need to recognize where we can improve and strive to do so.
IMO, where proscriptive laws are being passed against certain segments of society is where we need to concentrate our efforts.
I agree we cannot achieve total perfection, human nature will not allow it. We should continue to try to improve and recent developments show exactly where much of the improvements are needed.
I have seen versions of the chest thumping that goes on in this 1947 film occurring in many instances. It is one of the issues that I see occurring with more frequency.
It could be that I am just more sensitive to them. But I look at Donald Trump and I see America, the idea of America, being turned on its head daily. I have been chastised before for calling these signs of fascism and the people who espouse them fascists, but that characterization meshes with my observations.
Maybe the actions are not as bad as the actions that led to WWII, but as the short film shows, the fascists didn't just ride into town and set up shop:It took time for the creation of the fascist states.
It is sickening to watch Trump engage in serial lying trying to rally people to support him now that he is under federal indictment. He makes outrageous claims such as the PRA gives him the authority to take classified documents (it does the opposite), claims he is being treated like a WWI spy, etc. and his sycophants applaud him.
No reasoning, just blind trust in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. What a mess ... 48% of the GOP has lost its mind.
Or, has been 'purified' and found out to be of like minds with Donald Trump (as their leader). They vote with their feet to meet Donald Trump whereever he calls them to do so. That's more than support. It is love. Trump is beloved by 48% of republicans and conservatives, and his corruption does not factor into it.
So what, in your mind, gave Biden the authority to keep classified documents from his days as a Senator and as VP in his garage and in a closet hi his private nongovernmental insecure offices? What gave Hillary the right to keep classified documents on her computer in her basement?
You (and Just Jim) yet again incorrectly presume.
They had no authority; their actions were wrong.
So now make your point.
And yet the Democrats and liberals are still giving them a pass. I don't or didn't see them urging for either to be prosecuted.
How is it possible that so many conservatives cannot / will not comprehend that Biden, Pence and Trump ALL were NOT indicted for mere possession of classified documents?
Trump was indicted for refusing to return classified materials, lying about the existence of classified materials, hiding classified materials from authorities, and disclosing the existence and contents (in abstract) of classified materials to unauthorized individuals.
If Trump had cooperated in the return of those materials (as did Biden and Pence), he would not be dealing with this indictment.
This is so easy to research, so easy to understand, what is the problem?
you just answered your own question...
they are deliberately being obtuse. Or they aren't paying attention to your words
Hence Pence, the Hunter stunt or, pillory Hillary…only rhyme, no reason, as even they can see the writing on the wall, graffiti and all.
All things that Hillary did yet she hasn't been indicted. Why do you supposed that is?
Different circumstances. Different people in charge.
Conspiracy theorists are typically nutcases or talking heads seeking a larger audience, don't listen to them.
Now, do you comprehend why Trump was indicted and why the indictment does not apply to Biden or Pence?
a bridge too far...
Hillary refused to return classified documents but there was no indictment.
Hillary lied about the existence of classified material but no indictment
Hillary hid classified material but no indictment
Hillary disclosed the existence and contents of classified materials to unauthorized individuals but no indictment.
I wonder why she was allowed to get away with it.
Sure were. Clinton had even less authority to keep them but then she was the Democrats queen and could not be shamed.
True also. The Democrats and people that were beholden to Clinton were in charge besides none of them wanted to end up like Vince Foster, Seth Ryan and some 50 or so others that crossed the Wicked Witch of Chapaqua.
I compared Trump to Pence and Biden, not to Hillary.
Comment on Pence and Biden instead of DISHONESTLY deflecting to Hillary.
Different people in charge, different circumstances. Hard to say, but she should have been held accountable IMO.
Should Trump be held accountable?
Do you recognize the profound difference between the Trump situation and those of Biden and Pence?
I see many of the same things in today's social structure as you do and it is concerning to me. Living in Florida we seem to be headed in that direction faster then most any place in the country.
DeSantis is using his position to "other" LGBTQ people, especially, and has accepted the loss of freedom for women. He wants to direct the states schools and universities to teach propaganda rather than science.
He has penalized private businesses, and indirectly, taxpayers, for that business not falling in line with the state's position.
Florida has restricted access to information it doesn't like. To stories that might make it look bad.
Living in Florida we get hit with more and more of his RW crap. It's an unending stream of shit.
He now has people turning on him and some of the Republican state officials have been speaking out lately.
He has not voiced one policy in his run for the Republican nomination it's all culture war BS.
What kills me is conservatives cheer for that.
DeSantis is definitely following some mandate (real or imagined) which makes him 'boss' of Florida and so he has begun making grand strides in making conservatism the only 'voice' in Florida that matters.
This is the first time I've seen the full-length version. I think the one I've watched before lasted about 4 or 5 minutes. Thanks for posting it.
Too many people are gullible lemmings ... will accept as truth whatever an authority figure tells them. It is this very quality that encourages the promotion of critical thinking. Accepting what an authority claims is what gives the authority power. Critical thinking is what enables the people to have the power.
Not just an authority figure. They'll also accept the word of somebody who claims special knowledge, regardless of whether that person has credentials.
I am not sure that I would go that far. People have a need to live their lives and quite often that need impinges upon their abilities to procure and critically analyze the information that exists. As a result, those time-stressed people may turn to different sources for their information which may or may not give them a complete understanding of what is occurring in the world around them.
To some people, thought about anything other than that which directly affects their lives is not considered practical.
Absolutely agree.
Agreed. The correct course of action in those circumstances is to recognize that they have inaccurate and incomplete information. The incorrect course of action is to just believe what talking heads claim because they do not have time to fact check (and analyze).
Thomas, a most excellent find to present to this group. Even if the usual suspects won't take time to watch it (they should do so), it is a treasure to have exposure to it in this group. It is relevant. It is profound. The world, this nation, has been dealing with this kind of propaganda forever. The past is prologue. Now NT, if no one else is warned: We have been.
Our power is our use for the benefit of all or to have it broken on the wheel of any fool that can lie, cheat, steal our power away from us. Together we are the U.S.A - no longer a mere set of competing tribes trying to dominate and 'dog' smaller minorities inside us.
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
You know, I have to give Youtube so much credit for being a 'storehouse' for a major portion (?) of the world's deepest knowledge on video. I really don't understand how they have the computing power to present so many subjects and materials on demand. Right now, because of the war video presentation on this article, on its relevant subject's page I am 'bout to watch a 1957 video on the subject of propaganda. Color me: Amazed.
Youtube is golden. A treasure to the world and its relatively free for the asking.
Thanks for posting this, Thomas.
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Make it eleven.
You fit
Willingly, respectfully, and thankfully.
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Btw, before I forget Happy Juneteenth!
Had nothing to do with Trump losing...................but you knew that already...........
Yet, I can think of about a hundred former members run off by rightwing trolls...
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PN me. I would like to read some fiction today. Thanks,
When I came to this site in 2017 it was mostly Conservative. Over time the more decent people left. Now the far left is in the majority and we are seeing what they do once that happens.
Is there a 'left' in your mind or is everything to your left the 'far left'?
Your perception of this site being predominantly 'far left' is fascinating.
is this a ticket? Because I just don't have enough this month.....lol
LOL, good times...
“Btw, before I forget Happy Juneteenth!”
You forgot the sarcasm tag.
If only you could see through the myopia, acknowledge the past and the suffering of so many, and pass on the churlish non sequitur.
Because before that other site closed the membership here was mainly the banned and the disaffected from that other site...
I know of one here that isn't a member of the "club" you refer to..................
The fact that you can't believe the obvious is a testimony to how far left you have drifted.
More fantastic bullshit from you Ronin.
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fascists had their day in the sun, the country is moving forward...
Thomas, I apologize for my part in making part of this seed meta.
Where is dear Thomas today?
No doubt engaging in some 'far left' activity to introduce a single party authoritarian rule designed to brutally subjugate the people to favor party officials.
snicker
Seriously, he is probably at work earning a living.
I wish that it was a thing of the past, but alas, you are correct.
Actually, I favor "no-party" rule.
Same here Thomas.
LOL
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. If nothing else, you kept it on the front page so more people could see it. Just don't tell the RA....
The RA knows.
Pssst I knew that
She's been informed of every move.
So you're gonna be the class snitch?
more like the frustrated school crossing guard...
... at an elementary school.
The strong belief that the other side is blindly partisan is one of the more ironic and moronic sentiments in American society.
Well of course an entire 'other side' is not exclusively blindly partisan. Blind partisans are a minority. Further, partisan blindness will vary by issue ... sometimes people will be blinded by partisanship on an issue ... other times they will not be.
can't see myself being blinded...
What is uncanny is this: "Many" conservatives say Trump is not a conservative. It begs the question: So many other (true) conservatives are in the GOP primaries running against Trump ( the non-conservative as stated ) and yet Donald Trump is the beloved one chosen!
Ask a conservative: Why do they stand behind a non-conservative over and against a true conservative? It will "pay" politically dividends (or a good laugh anyway) to try to make sense of their answer/s!
He’s not, Trump is a populist.
Perhaps the same reason that progressives stand behind old man Joe.
Spot on.
Probably? Liberals are not 'devotees' to Joe Biden. Conservatives (in the millions) have demonstrated they are devotees of Donald Trump, the Populist. You should be able to easily discern many distinctions between Biden's and Trump's approaches to politics! Back to the question (if you can feel up to it):
The primaries will tell a different story.
Besides the point of the original question. That said, even so, if you can not distinguish the differences between how President Biden administers his office of the presidency from how former president Trump administered his, then. . . why did bother to comment to my question?
(My original question did not hint at Joe Biden at all.)
If you can't answer the question, just do not. Do not blatantly attempt filler to draw attention away from it!
Why do you consistently make up what others think?
You are mistaking those who criticize Democrat hypocrisy as devotees of Trump. What they are actually doing is pointing out the double standard and demanding equal treatment. Many don't support Trump at all; that's all in your head.
Yeah, well there is no mistaking those who refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump. That is clearly, without question, support / defense of Trump. Deflecting from Trump to Biden might be to point out hypocrisy for some, but for those whose other comments show absolutely no objectivity, it will be taken as pure deflection (refusal to face truth).
Was it wrong for Trump to refuse to return, lie about, hide, disclose in the abstract, etc. classified documents that NARA told him to return?
Was it wrong for Trump to lie to the planet that the USA electoral system was rigged, that millions of voters were disenfranchised, and that Biden is an illegitimate PotUS?
No Jeremy, you are mistaken. It's in your head, in this case.
More filler. I guess you are hoping the original question will be forgotten. I call BS. You, a conservative, can't answer the question:
I even supplied a link in my comment to help with the consideration. ( the non-conservative as stated )
Keep telling yourself that. As long as it fits your narrative.
You make that charge as you yet again run from obvious questions @13.1.7
Credibility depleted.
I’ve answered several times here why Trump got and kept a base because a portion of voters:
Is your desire to understand this an academic one or where you trying to make a point with your question?
Donald Trump is a republican tour de force with 70-ish million votes in the last presidential election and he continues to lead in polls of republicans today. This indicates to me that conservatives in the republican party have no confidence in its elites and chooses to back a "hired gun" - for another appointment to the highest offic e in the country!
I wish to understand why conservatives choose to continue backing a populist candidate over its bounty of true conservative candidates who are not leaving scores of politically injured , bruised , burned , scorned, and actual dead bodies littering its political field of play .
Conservatives are for:
Apparently, I can’t grant your wish.
Thank you for your honest admission and time in this discussion. The question remains open (to all):
So my answer was insufficient?