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Uncle Bernie Saws Off His Own Limb with Outlandish Socialism Defense

Uncle Bernie Saws Off His Own Limb with Outlandish Socialism Defense


Via: XXJefferson#51  •  10 comments  •  17 minutes ago
Democratic Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders’  attempt to promote “democratic socialism” as a political platform recalls former Vice President Walter Mondale’s 1984 convention speech promise: “Mr. Reagan will raise taxes. And so will I. He won’t tell you. I just did.” A gift which my bosses at President Reagan’s re-election campaign accepted with undisguised glee. Especially when...
Jun 17 1:37am @2 "..." Funny thing, here Bernie does actually get it right.   He properly stated a key objective of Democratic Socialism.   It is naive and unrealistic for him to run on such an objective given...
Supreme Court rejects atheists' attempt to scrub 'In God We Trust' off US currency

Supreme Court rejects atheists' attempt to scrub 'In God We Trust' off US currency


Via: XXJefferson#51  •  308 comments  •  7 hours ago
Video Show me the motto. The Supreme Court rejected an atheist case Monday to remove "In God We Trust," the national motto, from all coins and currency from the Department of Treasury. Michael Newdow, the same activist attorney who tried to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, lost his case, arguing Congress' mandate to inscribe "In God We...
Jun 17 1:11am @15.1.45 By pretending that I am spinning you are actually the one doing the spinning Tacos!. You gave me the link to her claim.   I read it and the context quote. Show me specifically where I am...
Jun 17 1:01am @15.1.43 "..." Given, as you note, no qualifiers how do we know that she was referring to Jesus the person rather than the Son of God? One hint is that she is talking about adult belief in Jesus....
Jun 16 10:42pm @15.1.33 I agree that the claim of Jesus (the Son hypostasis described in the Bible) has no supporting evidence.   It is, currently, merely a claim made by the Bible.
Jun 16 10:33pm @15.1.31 "..." I could not find where she made the claim, but it makes a big difference if by 'Jesus' epistte meant: 1. A charismatic human being (or beings) who was put to death for his public...
Jun 16 8:40pm @15.1.27 The existence of a real human being who was crucified because of his public statements around ~30AD and was the basis for what eventually became Christianity is certainly plausible.   I doubt that...
Jun 16 3:36pm @15.2.30 I was done responding until you made your comment.   
Jun 16 12:53am @15.2.21 Those have nothing to do with the question I asked you. Why dodge such an easy question?
Jun 15 11:49pm @15.2.18 "..." I agree.  It is quite reasonable to challenge an extraordinary claim.
Jun 15 11:48pm @15.2.17 Did you have trouble reading my post?   There was no 'prove it' stated or implied. In fact, I just asked you a generalized version of the question you had just answered. Why dodge such an easy...
Jun 15 11:39pm @15.2.14 "..." What I find curious is if someone has nothing, really, to offer better than an exasperated:  'I just believe' does that ever (maybe later on) give them pause?   Would they not ask...
Jun 15 11:37pm @15.2.13 I agree.   When someone makes an extraordinary claim in general, is it unreasonable to ask the person to back up the claim with evidence?
Jun 15 10:28pm @15.2.10 "..." Okay, let's have a debate on the claim of a flat Earth, the claim of an Earth < 10,000 years, the claim of alien abductions or the claim of Allah granting 70 virgins to martyrs in...
Jun 14 1:42pm @6.5.22 I have made no comment about which God is referenced on our currency.   My comment explained deist ‘god’ vs. theist ‘god’ in response to  your complaint that epistte did not do so. Do not presume,...
Jun 14 12:46am @6.5.20 Deists believe that there is a creator who appears to be entirely hands-off.   Deists make no pretense to know anything about said creator. The God of Abraham, in contrast, is claimed to be known...
US Cyber Command has reportedly been aggressively targeting Russia’s electrical grid

US Cyber Command has reportedly been aggressively targeting Russia’s electrical grid


Via: Bob Nelson  •  10 comments  •  8 hours ago
The United States Cyber Command has made a number of incursions into Russia’s electrical infrastructure in recent months, according to a new report in The New York Times . Officials that the publication spoke with characterized the moves as a warning to Russia that the US is willing to operate more aggressively in this arena to deter potential cyberattacks. According to the Times...
Jun 16 11:04am @2 There is no question that cyber attacks take place and will continue to do so indefinitely.   Deterrence is important (a potential offensive move) but of course defense is more critical.   I am...
Four in 10 Americans prefer socialism to capitalism, poll finds

Four in 10 Americans prefer socialism to capitalism, poll finds


Via: Bob Nelson  •  157 comments  •  2 days ago
Forty percent of Americans would rather live in a socialist country than a capitalist one, with a majority of younger women having this preference, according to a new poll. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at the Puerto Rican Day parade in New York on Sunday. Ocasio-Cortez is an avowed democratic socialist. Jose Alvarado Jr/Reuters That four in 10 respondents supported socialism...
Jun 15 1:39am @6.1.61 "..." Seems to me that a survey in which the participants do not even have a clue as to what they are being asked has more profound problems than the sampling methodology.
Jun 15 1:36am @5.2.12 "..." Which definition of socialism do you have in mind now?    
Jun 15 1:32am @2.1.20 "..." You can talk tough with complete safety because none of your concerns will occur within our lifetimes, if ever.    You might as well be bragging about how you will pilot your jet into the...
Jun 15 1:21am @2.1.18 "..." That is extremely unlikely.    "..." We are not 19th century Europe.   Get a grip.    If our economic system ever becomes something that qualifies as socialism (not the emotionally...
Jun 15 1:17am @1.1.11 "..." Correct.  Congratulations. ( You apparently missed JBB's rather obvious sarcasm. )
Jun 15 12:36am @12.1 "..." 99 out of 100 is more like it.
Jun 14 7:59pm @2.1.13 Too many people seem stubbornly determined to be wrong.
Jun 14 3:32pm @2.1.10 "..." Yet you insist on getting it wrong.
Jun 14 1:56pm @6.1.52 The statistical integrity of the sampling is less of a concern than the fact that the respondents seem to be largely clueless about socialism and were instead responding to the label. If anything,...
Jun 13 1:23pm @6.1.32 Spot on.
Jun 13 10:36am @6.1.27 "..." I would love to sit down with Bernie Sanders or AOC and explain to them the difference between socialism  —in particular Democratic Socialism— and social democracy.   I could show them how...
Jun 12 9:07pm @6.1.22 "..." I have lost count of the number of times people have used ambiguity to move the goalposts.    Context usually is insufficient to nail down a meaning in this topic.   Personally I am well...
Jun 12 5:17pm @6.1.18 "..." Hard to do that with people running about crying 'socialism' at every turn.   We even have some here on NT who see facists and Marxists everywhere.
Jun 12 5:13pm @6.1.17 "..." Well of course.   But if you are referring to someone else who simply used the term 'socialism' unqualified then how could you possibly know their meaning?    If they have established clear...
Jun 12 5:08pm @5.2.10 You are (curiously) insisting that economic control is the same as indirect influence.   Consumers have indirect influence over companies.   Consumer influence is arguably greater than that of...
Jun 12 4:10pm @6.1.14 "..." Indeed, my point exactly.   Although I would say 'few' rather than 'nobody'. "..." But you just acknowledged that the term is a homonym.   So how you define it when you use it in a...
Jun 12 4:01pm @2.1.8 "..." I agree.  You might have noticed that this is why I encourage people to not simply use the term 'socialism' but to qualify what they actually mean.  The word 'socialism' unqualified is...
Jun 12 3:52pm @5.2.8 "..." I am not.   It is really more about necessity and influence for civil society.     The mode of production changes over time but the necessity and influence of factors will always be in...
Jun 12 3:33pm @6.1.11 "..." It really does matter.  If one constructs a sentence using the term 'socialism' unqualified there are myriad usages that could apply.   The sentence is ambiguous. "..." That...
Jun 12 2:08pm @6.1.8 Define 'socialism' as you use the term.
Jun 12 2:07pm @5.2.5 The means of production and distribution: includes factors such as land, facilities, equipment, tools, materials, capital, infrastructure.   That which is required to provide the consumables...
Jun 12 1:35pm @2.1.6 You should read what you copy & pasted. What point do you wish to make other than Democratic Socialism is complex and includes transitional factors?
Jun 12 11:43am @5.2.3 For clarity:  socialism  = collective (all the people) control over the productive resources of the economy capitalism = minority  (aristocracy) control over the productive resources of the...
Jun 12 11:18am @2.1.4 "..." The USA is not going to 'flip' to socialism.   If the USA ever has a system wherein the people have control over the productive resources of the economy (as opposed to a minority holding...
Jun 11 11:08pm @1.1.5 This  ⇧  is what I expected.
Jun 11 10:34pm @1.1.3 I think you are being generous.
Jun 11 10:18pm @1.1.1 Name the characteristics that determine a 'socialist economy' and three nations that you consider to be running a socialist economy.
 How social media is shaping what people know — and don't know — about the Hong Kong protests

How social media is shaping what people know — and don't know — about the Hong Kong protests


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  52 comments  •  2 days ago
By   Arjun Kharpal, CNBC Social media has played an important role in   Hong Kong’s   anti-government   protests over the past few days   with protesters planning their moves via apps and mainland China users apparently blocked from learning about the unrest on multiple platforms. Hundreds of thousands have taken to the streets since Sunday, protesting a   proposed government law to...
Jun 15 12:19am @1.2.21    I call him 'Dig' for convenience.   I doubt Dig worries about little things like the spelling of his forum name.  
Jun 14 11:59pm @2.1.8 China is an interesting modern example of state capitalism.  ( Actually a mix of several -isms including private sector capitalism, but you really should investigate the state capitalism factor of...
Jun 14 11:56pm @1.2.19 Dignitatem Societatis
Jun 14 11:54pm @1.2.18 "..." Hardly.   A small investment in basic research (just Google 'Market Socialism') shows that it most certainly is not an oxymoron.   For a very good model of market socialism it might be...
EX-TOP IAEA OFFICIAL WARNS OF CLANDESTINE IRANIAN NUKE SITES

EX-TOP IAEA OFFICIAL WARNS OF CLANDESTINE IRANIAN NUKE SITES


Via: Buzz of the Orient  •  12 comments  •  3 days ago
EX-TOP IAEA OFFICIAL WARNS OF CLANDESTINE IRANIAN NUKE SITES Last week, Heinonen made waves when he warned KAN radio that Iran could make enough material for a nuclear weapon in six to eight months. BY YONAH JEREMY BOB, JERUSALEM POST, JUNE 10, 2019 IAEA cameras in Iranian uranium enrichment facility 311. (photo credit: REUTERS) Iran may be hiding as many as five...
Jun 14 7:50am @7 An Islamic theocracy armed with weapons of mass destruction is among the most dangerous scenarios;  worse than an unstable, brutal dictator like Kim Jong-un.    Of the world's religions, the...
Knox County DA 'looking into' detective's church sermon calling for execution of LGBTQ people

Knox County DA 'looking into' detective's church sermon calling for execution of LGBTQ people


Via: epistte  •  48 comments  •  3 days ago  •  LOCKED
In the hourlong sermon based on an Old Testament passage, Detective Grayson Fritts, also a pastor at All Scripture Baptist Church in Knoxville, told his congregation June 2 that he believes that federal, state and county governments should arrest, try, convict and "speedily" execute people within the LGBTQ community on no more grounds than a cell phone photo of a person participating in a...
Jun 13 2:17am @1.1 It is that pesky Old Testament.
LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede

LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede


Via: Tessylo  •  167 comments  •  4 days ago  •  LOCKED
U.S. LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede   Tom Embury-Dennis, The Independent   Sun, Jun 9 5:05 AM EDT Two separate LGBT pride marches disrupted by neo-Nazis, stampede Separate   LGBT+ pride   marches in the US were disrupted on Saturday, one by a stampede triggered over fears of a shooting and another by one of America’s biggest neo-Nazi...
Jun 13 1:48am @6.1.18 Accusing someone of defending Nazis is a particularly vile thing to do.   Best to be on solid ground.   In this case, you are not. Epistte made no defense of Nazis.   She stated that the Nazis...
I Want To Thank Perrie

I Want To Thank Perrie


By: JohnRussell  •  55 comments  •  2 days ago
I am creating this article for the purpose of thanking Perrie for everything she does for Newstalkers , and for being a great leader of this forum for 8 years. Lord knows it has not always been easy for her. There are times when the membership, the topics and the comments and even interactions of members can "try men's souls".  I imagine there are times when she feels up against it....
Jun 12 5:51pm @5 I do not know how she does it at times.   What goes on behind the scenes (beyond the endless drama of the moderation task) to keep a forum like NT going is greatly underappreciated (because people...
‘Socialism for the rich’: the evils of bad economics

‘Socialism for the rich’: the evils of bad economics


Via: Bob Nelson  •  121 comments  •  4 days ago
I n most rich countries , inequality is rising, and has been rising for some time. Many people believe this is a problem, but, equally, many think there’s not much we can do about it. After all, the argument goes, globalisation and new technology have created an economy in which those with highly valued skills or talents can earn huge rewards. ‘There’s been class warfare going on...
Jun 11 11:06pm @5.3.11 Your comment was generic and vague.   No way to know unless you offer something specific to qualify your implicit sarcasm.
Jun 11 10:13pm @5.3.9 What are the defining characteristics of a 'Marxist country'?
Jun 11 9:10pm @5.2.13 "..." It is fair to interpret Marx as being more focused on supply-side but not to the point of labeling his views as supply-side economics.    Marx saw production and consumption in a natural...
Jun 11 12:43pm @5.2.9 "..." It will be entertaining to watch you and LFOD debate with your ‘interesting’ views of Marxism.    
Jun 10 7:50pm @5.3.4 "..." I think I see the problem.   You do not look at the dynamics and objectives of a system, rather you look for people who have views you like and deem them truth.  In today's world, for any...
Jun 10 7:41pm @5.2.6 "..." That is such a ridiculous claim.   What do you hope to accomplish by redefining words as you do.   The USA is solidly running a capitalist economy.   To deny that is like claiming a flat...
Jun 10 7:37pm @5.2.5 "..." Yes.   He considered himself a Marxist and was well read on Marx.    The better question is:  did Lenin implement Marxism?.  The next question is:  when did Lenin realize that he was not...
Jun 10 6:32pm @5.2.2 As I noted, you use the term 'communist' to equate to statist authoritarian rule.   Equating that with the ideas of Marx is a total disconnect. "..." I suppose that depends on what you mean by...
Jun 10 6:19pm @4.1.13 I waited for you to respond before weighing in since katrix replied to you. However, per katrix @4.1.11: "..." Family owned businesses certainly should be passed along as inheritance and even...
Jun 10 6:03pm @5.1.3 "..." Gonna let this single quote make my point for me.
Jun 10 6:02pm @5.3.2 "..." Note this from you: "..." If you label a country 'Marxist' you are stating that it has implemented what Marx offered.  If you do not think that a 'Marxist country' is following what...
Jun 10 4:11pm @4.1.10 "..." I do not know why: "..." Emphasizing your point the it is crucial that wealth be earned. "..." Offering Gates as an example of a person who earned great wealth.    To emphasize that...
Jun 10 4:02pm @5.3 "..." Illustrating the silliness of some of your comments:    Where do you find Marx advocating a class system wherein the wealthy (the aristocracy) are the preferred rulers? In your 60 years...
Jun 10 3:58pm @4.1.8 So do you think your point is different than the one I made?
Jun 10 3:40pm @5.2 There are no Marxist nations.   The social democracies, however, are real. Statism is generally bad; and so is aristocracy.
Jun 10 3:36pm @4.1.6 Not sure why the disconnect;  ‘critical mass’ refers to the level of wealth where most is used as investment capital.   So at least 40% per your comment is a result of having achieved critical mass.
Jun 10 1:47pm @3.1.57 The trick is to have marketable skills.   Unfortunately for some, skills that were valuable in the past can become obsolete in our ever-changing environment. 
Jun 10 1:15pm @4.1.4 Did you not read the balance of my original post @4.1 where I noted critical mass?
Jun 10 1:11pm @3.1.56 "..." Hardly.   There are tons of jobs where human beings are  manually completing business processes by copying and pasting info, typing info on paper into the system, etc.   Those jobs are the...
Jun 10 12:31pm @3.1.54 Agreed.   It is always best to have a clear understanding of reality ... good or bad.   Nothing good comes from wishful thinking.
Jun 10 12:24pm @4.1.2 Gates had the correct vision, executed his strategy and it worked.   To his credit.   Of course he had help, but he led the charge.   Entrepreneurial insight, tenacity and drive is a very good...
Jun 10 12:22pm @3.1.52 "..." Beliefs tend to follow desires.    
Jun 10 12:19pm @3.1.51 "..." A lot of the under-qualified candidates represent untapped human potential.   That is, their potential does not match their qualifications. Stay tuned, with robotic process automation...
Jun 10 11:45am @4.1 "..." Crucial:  "have never done anything to "earn" their inheritance".    Gates, in contrast, did quite a bit to earn great wealth (albeit much of his wealth is a result of achieving critical...
Jun 10 11:39am @3.1.48 "..." In general, the skills required of executive management justify very high compensation.   The decisions made at the top have substantial impact on the success (or failure) of the entity....
Jun 10 11:23am @3.1.47 "..." Overall, USA economic mobility is indeed waning —it is not as grand as we perceive it to be— but plenty of opportunity remains in the USA.   I was focusing on the lower quintiles (albeit...
Jun 09 10:44pm @3.1.41 The problem is not a different view, it is your apparent refusal to address the point I actually made.    As I just explained @3.1.39: I did not state a preference that people earn less. I...
Jun 09 10:07pm @3.1.39 "..." Texan, you never seem to fail to miss the point no matter how many times it is repeated.  I did not state a preference that people earn less. I stated a preference that more people earn...
Jun 09 8:16pm @3.1.37 "..." We are talking about equal opportunity, right?   I stipulated upfront that the USA offers good opportunities compared to most other nations.   So listing the opportunities available in the...
Jun 09 6:45pm @3.1.35 "..." Compared to most other nations.   In absolute terms, opportunities even within our admirable system are vastly unequal.   Your phrase "and get the right education" is a key factor.   We...
Jun 09 12:56pm @3.1.22 "..." Then you substituted your own thoughts and ignored what I expressed.   Same difference. "..." I do not support income equality.   Never made any statement that even remotely hints that...
Jun 09 12:49pm @3.1.21 "..." My comment was on emphasis.   Here we go again, this is what I wrote: "..." I am suggesting that success is better stated in terms of everyone being enabled to be successful rather than...
Jun 09 12:14pm @3.1.9 "..." You really should read a post before replying to it.    You and I agree that equal outcomes is a bad idea yet you seem to presume that I think it is a good idea.   I asked you two...
Jun 09 12:10pm @3.1.7 "..." To me, success is better expressed as the ability for all persons to pursue their ambitions.   To me it is much better to enable the potential for success for all rather than focus on...
Jun 09 12:07pm @3.1.5 "..." Where do you find people arguing for equal outcomes?   Also, if equal outcomes were desirable (and they most certainly are not) how would anyone propose to accomplish this magical feat?
New York state lawmakers introduce bill to decriminalize sex work

New York state lawmakers introduce bill to decriminalize sex work


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  79 comments  •  5 days ago
By   Erik Ortiz A group of Democratic lawmakers in New York state introduced a bill Monday that seeks to decriminalize sex work and make it legal to engage in the consensual sale of sex. The   bill , which follows similar legislative efforts in other states, including Massachusetts and Maine, would go further by vacating prior convictions of people engaged in activity that would no...
Jun 11 9:16pm @15.1.7 "..." Is rape a reproductive decision? I am just interested to see if you seriously are focused on reproductive decision and not just that once a woman is pregnant she should have no choice but...
Jun 11 9:17am @3.1.3 Your post confuses me.   You seem to saying that under legal prostitution there would be regulations that include drug addiction and disease.   But then you ask if under legal prostitution if we...
Jun 11 1:36am @3.1 For public health reasons, I think regulation is a necessity.
Jun 11 1:34am @1.1 Personally, I have never understood why a non-desperate man would seek a prostitute.   Maybe I am too logical, but I am not interested in someone who I know is faking it.   I prefer a real...
Gun Seller That Bet Big on Hillary Clinton Getting Elected Goes Bankrupt

Gun Seller That Bet Big on Hillary Clinton Getting Elected Goes Bankrupt


Via: Tessylo  •  34 comments  •  5 days ago
Gun Seller That Bet Big on Hillary Clinton Getting Elected Goes Bankrupt   Jeremy Hill, Bloomberg   15 hours ago   Gun Seller That Bet Big on Hillary Clinton Getting Elected Goes Bankrupt (Bloomberg) -- Firearms distributor United Sporting Cos. loaded up on guns ahead of the 2016 U.S. presidential election, expecting a surge in sales would follow the...
Jun 11 12:32pm @6.1.2 So you really were just expressing the obvious general principle that it is good for the free market to weed out poorly managed businesses. You did not really mean that it is good when employees...
Jun 11 11:09am @6.1 "..." It does not seem as though the owner was a Hillary supporter.   (Not likely that a retail gun establishment owner would support Hillary.)  However, he apparently was convinced that Hillary...
Ricky Gervais And Stephen Go Head-To-Head On Religion

Ricky Gervais And Stephen Go Head-To-Head On Religion


Via: TᵢG  •  135 comments  •  6 days ago
Ricky in his usual soft-delivery of brutal candor offers a clear description of agnostic atheism (i.e. the position of most every atheist) and demonstrates why he is an agnostic atheist. Here is the operative part of the short video: Stephen:         Talking about hell before, about this tweet about you going to hell.  And I know that you're an atheist, correct? Ricky:...
Jun 11 12:02am @3.2.104 You have hit on one of the critical flaws in the definition of the biblical God.   God is omniscient (knows everything) yet God is surprised and/or disappointed by the decisions of His creations....
Jun 10 12:04pm @3.2.99 This is going nowhere fast.   Cease perpetuating personal exchanges.   If you have something topical or subtopical to offer then do so.   If not, best to move on.
Jun 09 5:16pm @3.2.95 "..." Translation:   Damn, he is right, I really did mangle what he wrote.   Since he quoted his original words and quoted his prior explanation of those words as proof I have no wiggle room....
Jun 09 1:02pm @3.1.19 "..." Believing something without sufficient evidence = speculation. It is what it is.
Jun 09 12:39pm @3.2.85 "..." Yet another invention.   Read what I actually wrote: "..." Here I stipulate that engineers (at least competent engineers) do not base their designs on unevidenced, unproven principles....
Jun 09 12:30pm @3.2.84 "..." Pretending to not understand what I wrote is a dishonest tactic.   Worse given this has already been explained to you.   Here is what I wrote: "..." I establish that asking for proof is...
Jun 09 11:57am @3.1.17 "..." A gap of knowledge is never going to be legitimately filled with mere speculation (faith) no matter how deeply held the belief.
Jun 09 11:53am @3.1.16 Where do you see Sandy stating a requirement for proof?   She was talking about evidence and the lack of knowledge in unfounded belief.
Jun 09 11:46am @3.2.82 "..." I have been quite direct in my comments.   Since your reference is vague there is no way to know to what you consider an answer in a 'round about way'. "..." Where did you get that from...
Jun 09 11:33am @3.1.14 "..." I prefer this simple but accurate expression of the agnostic atheist:  'I am not convinced any god exists.'   To me, that says it all. "..." Here you are using 'know' (in its various...
Jun 09 11:15am @3.2.80 "..." No, that was an assertion.   You could challenge my assertion and I would be obliged to back it up with an argument.   But an assertion is not itself a strawman argument.    "..."...
Jun 08 10:22pm @3.2.75 Sparty On's answer is essentially 'I just believe'.   I doubt he will offer anything more than 'I just believe' since that common presupposition is expected to be taken as a given and not questioned.
Jun 08 4:53pm @3.2.68 "..." It is what I stated.   If someone claims something to be true, they should expect to be challenged to deliver evidence to back up the claim.   If they made an unfalsifiable claim (one that...
Jun 07 11:01pm @3.2.65 "..." Let me try to paraphrase what you wrote.   If this is wrong, I ask that you explain why it is wrong: When asked why you believe in God, your answer is faith.   You hold that the reason you...
Jun 07 11:12am @3.2.61 "..." Pretty sure we have all agreed on this all along.   I certainly have.   So now let's go back to where you and I were discussing the explanatory power of faith:    "..." Faith in itself...
Jun 07 10:46am @3.2.56 "..." Only with the most generous usages of the word.   Oxford, for example, has a secondary usage of "A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion" and Merriam has a usage of "a cause,...
Jun 04 4:48pm @3.2.24 "..." Just like flat-Earthers define the Earth to be a domed circle.   To them it is true because they define it as such.   But clearly defining a term is not the same as knowledge.   Defining...
Jun 04 4:26pm @3.2.21 "..." Certainly not if you are only going to repeat your claim that faith has explanatory power.    I have provided reasons for my position.   You have stated that faith explains one's belief in...
Jun 04 2:02pm @3.1.8 "..." Good point.   In addition, I think it would be hellish to be floating on clouds, listening to harp music and perpetually praising the creator.
Jun 04 2:00pm @3.2.11 "..." Works for me. "..." Faith is the means by which belief in God is sustained; it does not explain anything.   For example, Young Earth Creationists believe that the Earth (indeed the...
Jun 04 12:17pm @3.2.6 "..." Yes.   I suspect faith is more a result of needing to believe (e.g. provides comfort).
Jun 04 11:46am @3.2.4 "..." I agree.   In fact, the existence of God is not even evidenced, much less proven. "..." True.   It is not possible to prove that something does not exist unless that something is...
Jun 04 11:21am @3.1.5 Many people, it would seem, need to believe.   I can certainly understand that.   Facing the harsh realities (best we can tell) of life is not easy.   Nobody wants their existence to end at death....
Jun 04 10:48am @3.2.1 "..." Yes, faith = believing something without sufficient evidence (proof is too high of a bar).    Or, per Oxford (using the religious usage of course): "..." Everyone here (including Ricky...
Jun 04 1:55am @3.1.2 Eventually, we human beings may reach a point where we accept that our knowledge is limited by what we can evidence.   At that point we may give up the pretense that we can legitimately fill our...
Jun 04 12:17am @3.1 People should ask for evidence rather than proof.    That said, our existence is probably the single most significant question posed by human beings.   Answering that question with 'I believe the...
Jun 03 11:57pm @2.1 Given the time they had I thought they accomplished plenty — and they were civil.   Ricky nailed the concept of atheism (oft misunderstood) and made a very good point for why science is a better...
Jun 03 11:39pm @1 "..." Not likely, but point well made.
Closest-known ancestor of today’s Native Americans found in Siberia

Closest-known ancestor of today’s Native Americans found in Siberia


Via: Kavika  •  30 comments  •  6 days ago
Indigenous Americans, who include Alaska Natives, Canadian First Nations, and Native Americans, descend from humans who crossed an ancient land bridge connecting Siberia in Russia to Alaska tens of thousands of years ago. But scientists are unclear when and where these early migrants moved from place to place. Two new studies shed light on this mystery and uncover the most closely related...
Jun 10 11:41pm @8.1.3 Excellent point, language evolves too and thus imparts substantial knowledge including insight into their culture.
Jun 10 11:04pm @8.1.1 And then, once found, imagine all we can discover from the DNA.
Jun 10 10:37pm @8 Piecing together the bits of our history is fascinating.   It is amazing the kind of information we are capable of discerning nowadays.
Jun 10 10:33pm @6.2 You will never convince the Young Earth Creationists.    
What would you choose?

What would you choose?


By: MrFrost  •  85 comments  •  5 days ago
So, simple question... If you could choose to be any being, what would you choose? Fictional? Non-fictional? Fantasy? Science fiction? Over the eons of time, what would you choose to live as? Mammal, reptile, amphibian... Take your pick...
Jun 10 10:47pm @16.2 Jeannie.
Futuristic 'Flying V' airplane could change the way we fly

Futuristic 'Flying V' airplane could change the way we fly


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  31 comments  •  one week ago
Jun 08 10:54pm @2.2.3 Indeed, getting new products to work properly and operate within desired cost parameters is a tough gig.   
Jun 08 7:04pm @2.2.1 "..." Yup, we have proof that the flying wing concept does indeed work.    I am confident they can design a safe jet such as this vision.   What I am not so sure of is the ability to do so in a...
Jun 08 1:59am @2 No way to know if this is practical except to wait and see.    We know that what seems impossible to one generation is commonplace to another.    Could our grandkids be flying on such a design ......
Why atheists are not as rational as some like to think -- The Conversation

Why atheists are not as rational as some like to think -- The Conversation


Via: Nerm_L  •  103 comments  •  one week ago
Many atheists think that their atheism is the product of rational thinking. They use arguments such as “I don’t believe in God, I believe in science” to explain that evidence and logic, rather than supernatural belief and dogma, underpin their thinking. But just because you believe in evidence-based, scientific research – which is subject to strict checks and procedures – doesn’t mean that...
Jun 06 6:31pm @1.1.39 "..." This is too silly for me to continue.
Jun 06 5:51pm @1.1.37 "..." Seems to me you have your own meaning for the word 'divine'.   Apparently you define 'divine' to mean 'about God'.    Silly me going by the conventional meaning of the word: "..." 'Of...
Jun 06 1:06pm @1.1.35 "..." I disagree, my statement is spot on.   Just because an author was inspired by his/her belief and faith does not mean that their resulting book is divine.    Further, your 'because' does...
Jun 06 12:57pm @1.1.34 "..." Correct.   Rather obvious. "..." Correct, that is not what science does. "..." Theology, IMO, dreams up ideas.   It does not unravel mysteries, it simply invents and then declares...
Jun 06 11:42am @1.1.29 "..." Why did you pretend that by 'belief and faith' I was not speaking of 'belief and faith in God'?   That was the context; I even explicitly stated 'religious books'.   You chose to ignore the...
Jun 06 11:14am @1.1.27 "..." You do not distinguish between science and the abuse of scientific findings? Science unravels the mysteries of reality.   That knowledge can be used for productive and for...
Jun 05 11:34pm @1.1.24 "..." No.   A book whose author was inspired by belief and faith is not ipso facto divine.   With your definition we could easily find thousands of religious books that you would have to deem...
Jun 05 10:59pm @1.1.19 "..." Would you consider any book that was inspired by belief and faith in God to be divine? "..." A non answer.
Jun 05 3:43pm @1.1.15 "..." There is no getting beyond it.   We have all observed believers run out of answers, clearly in a conceptual dilemma, only to ignore the problem and deflect.  It is as though they see the...
Jun 05 3:32pm @3.1.17 "..." Deepak Chopra style answers are a waste of time.  I am not going to try to unravel this. My post was about your conflating two distinct usages of 'faith'.   What you wrote in reply is a...
Jun 05 3:28pm @5.1.8 "..." Explain. "..." Science does not attempt to refute either.   Science is a process of discovery and explanation of observations.   The fact that science provides well-founded explanations...
Jun 05 3:25pm @5.1.7 "..." A non answer.   Faith is not an explanation nor is it knowledge.   Faith is wishful thinking.
Jun 05 3:23pm @1.1.13 The question now is if either of them will be honestly and directly answered.   Certainly not with 'that is why we have faith' or equivalent.
Jun 05 11:35am @3.1.9 "..." Pick a usage of faith and stick with it.   It is vague and semantically flawed to mix both usages of faith together.   The two usages of 'faith' per Oxford: Complete trust or confidence in...
Jun 05 11:28am @1.1.8 "..." If God cannot be evidenced then how can the Bible be deemed divine?    How can anything anyone claims to be true about God be considered credible?   If one claims to believe certain things...
Jun 05 11:25am @3.1.8 "..." You are focusing on the usage of 'faith' which means rational expectation that what has been consistently found to be true will more likely than not be true.    If I drop my iPhone I am...
Jun 05 11:16am @5.1.2 "..." No, it is what I wrote.   An atheist is simply not convinced a god exists.   Since the existence of the supreme entity, creator of the known universe is a very big deal, the lack of a shred...
Jun 05 11:10am @5.1.1 "..." That is more an analogy for deism rather than theism.    One who merely holds that a creator is the most likely reason for the existence of the known universe and who does not presuppose...
Jun 05 1:12am @1.2.2 Since you are not being specific it is not possible to assess the quality of your claim.   So let's assume that you are correct and that atheists take a lot of things on faith. My question is...
Jun 05 1:00am @5 "..." Basically yet another article attempting to portray an atheist as a believer so as to claim that both atheists and theists operate on faith and thus their opposing views are equivalent....
The Independents Dilemma

The Independents Dilemma


By: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  474 comments  •  2 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Recently in a political discussion, I was asked why do I always take a side. I was kind of shocked since I really don't participate in political discussions much. The reality of my life is that I don't take sides in politics since I view partisanship as pointless. What I do care about are the issues, the character of the politician, and current events that will impact my life.  But the...
Jun 06 4:12pm @26.2.123 Given you cannot offer any supporting analysis for the Critique of the Gotha Programme you have chosen to change the subject to the transition from capitalism to socialism.   Okay. "..." As it...
Jun 06 3:34pm @26.2.122 Do some research Texan.
Jun 06 3:32pm @26.2.121 We react differently.   I find it funny (and sad).
Jun 06 3:13pm @26.2.115 You were not disagreeing with me.   You made a comment to Bob.    The problem is that you parroted a commonly cited Marx quote that does not mean what you imply it means.   I gave you the source...
Jun 06 3:04pm @26.2.111 "..." So to support your 'my tooth is longer than yours' claim, you quote Marx sans any analysis.     Congratulations on finding 'Critique of the Gotha Programme' and doing a copy & paste....
Jun 06 1:56pm @26.2.69 That was tongue in cheek.   I was emphasizing my disgust with politicians and their irresponsible abuse of tax revenues.   In other words, taxation would, with modern politicians, quickly degrade...
Jun 06 1:36pm @26.2.57 In principle I think you are correct.   Inheritance tax (or another measure) would not apply to small to medium family owned businesses but rather would serve as a governing agent for runaway...
Jun 06 1:27pm @26.2.55 "..." An example of why this subject is so complex.   Everywhere you turn we see that 'it depends'.   Further, it is quite difficult for people to start with our existing system and devise a...
Jun 06 1:16pm @26.2.52 "..." You clearly do not understand what Marx was saying.   That is the problem with parroting phrases without actually going to the source material and reading what the author was saying in his...
Jun 06 1:12pm @26.2.50 "..." Suffice it to say, it is much easier to describe an objective (and that is really all I did) than it is to devise a system that would achieve that objective and not introduce negative...
Jun 06 1:09pm @26.2.49 "..." I think that ultimately is what Bob was saying.   
Jun 06 12:10pm @26.2.28 History has shown that the unchecked consolidation of power is undesirable.    Strong leaders (e.g. entrepreneurs) are net good as they drive people towards productive accomplishments.   But that...
Jun 06 11:32am @26.2.22 "..." Given it has never existed in a national economy, distributed economic control is likely to never exist (at least not in our lifetimes).   But that was not my point.    My point is that...
Jun 06 10:31am @26.2.17 "..." Those are all enterprises operating in a capitalist economy.   In all cases, the enterprise owns their portion of the MoP/MoD and hires employees who are not the exclusive owners and who...
Jun 05 10:00pm @22.2.1 "..." How revealing.   Not 'my' point of view (indicating critical thinking) but 'our' point of view (suggesting group-think). "..." Because ... ?     I am aware that you also hold that...
Jun 03 5:08pm @6.2.1 Good point.
Jun 03 5:03pm @7.1.4 Hard to say what Perot might have done.   But we do know that he was 'all ears' so there you go. 
Jun 03 5:02pm @7.1.3 "..." I know.   I was using your example.
Jun 03 4:54pm @6.1.1 "..." Exactly.  You are an independent.  An independent would not vote middle-of-the-road any more than she would vote either extreme. 
Jun 03 4:51pm @7.1 "..." True.    Being an independent voter does not mean voting for a declared Independent candidate.   That is tacit partisanship.   An independent voter could have voted for Bush, Clinton or...
Jun 03 4:45pm @3.3 "..." Moderates (what you just described) are not Independents.   Moderates are similar to partisans;  the difference is that moderates try to find a happy medium between the parties.   That is...
Jun 03 4:40pm @6 Some people cannot imagine that a person would not follow the lead of a political party.   I, in contrast, find it amazing that so many seem to adopt as true almost everything their chosen party...
A wealthy televangelist explains his fleet of private jets: ‘It’s a biblical thing’

A wealthy televangelist explains his fleet of private jets: ‘It’s a biblical thing’


Via: Gordy327  •  88 comments  •  2 weeks ago
In the waning days of 2015, renowned televangelist Kenneth Copeland laid out exactly why he needs a luxury private jet to do his job: you can’t “talk to God” while riding commercial. Criticized at the time for his use of extravagant planes, Copeland argued travel for his work would be difficult, nay, impossible without them. The Texas-based preacher invoked his mentor, prosperity gospel...
Jun 05 7:16pm @8.1.22 Interesting idea, I will give it some thought Enoch.
Jun 04 5:58pm @8.1.20 "..." I agree that the intuitive analysis makes it appear as though free will is a given.   But we have found (especially in the last century) that our senses and our intuition (which is evolved...
Jun 04 2:12pm @8.1.10 "..." Yes.   The prosperity gospel televangelists are con-men who exploit the gullibility of faithful Christians.   They contradict the most common Christian teachings.   They clearly are not...
Jun 04 2:06pm @8.1.8 Well this is just another case where you are dead wrong.    Best to not invent your own truth.   This seed focuses on a minority of Christian authorities and specifically on the category of...
Jun 04 12:22pm @8.1 A ridiculous stereotype that illustrates you missed the point of the article. This article does not claim that these con-men are your typical Christian priests, preachers, ministers or pastors....
Jun 04 11:48am @4.1.1 An example of why I am such a proponent for critical thinking.
Jun 04 11:30am @4 Copeland is one of the worst.   It just amazes me that so many people support these con-men.   How gullible can one be?    Many of them are elderly and desperate (e.g. dying of cancer and looking...
YouTube star who tricked a homeless man into eating Oreos filled with toothpaste because it would 'clean his teeth' gets 15 months in prison

YouTube star who tricked a homeless man into eating Oreos filled with toothpaste because it would 'clean his teeth' gets 15 months in prison


Via: JohnRussell  •  8 comments  •  2 weeks ago
www.msn.com YouTube prankster who tricked a homeless man into eating Oreos filled with toothpaste was sentenced to 15 months in prison by a Spanish court on Friday.A Barcelona court ordered Kanghua Ren to also pay $22,300 in compensation.Since he is a first-time offender, Spanish law usually suspends prison time for those sentenced to less than two years, according to The...
Jun 03 11:39am @6 I will likely never understand why some people are capable of cruelty to others.   It is as if they do not recognize the other as a human being — that they never consider their acts from the...
Ancient star explosions could have led early humans to walk upright

Ancient star explosions could have led early humans to walk upright


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  46 comments  •  2 weeks ago
More than six million years have passed since early humans first walked upright, and it’s still unclear exactly why we made the switch from four legs to two. One popular theory holds that the change was the natural result of an evolving landscape that made it more efficient to walk upright. Now a pair of physicists have come up with an underlying cause for that shift — and it’s a wild one:...
Jun 02 11:43am @6.2 The pet dinosaur creation 'scientists' believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.