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The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 2: Adam & Eve

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 2: Adam & Eve


By: Gordy327  •  69 comments  •  50 minutes ago
Welcome to Part 2 of my series exploring the veracity of some biblical stories. If you missed Part 1: The Great Flood & Noah's Ark , feel free to check it out and comment, thanks. The focus of this part will be on what is one of the most well known stories within the bible, Adam & Eve. The bible not only begins with Creation and the creation of Adam & Eve, but the story itself...
Jul 14 6:00pm @7.1.1 "..." What is your supporting argument?   If your argument is: Adam and Eve Were Regarded As Real People Adam and Eve Responded As Real People Adam and Eve Were Recorded As Real People Adam...
The Problem with Religion

The Problem with Religion


By: Gordy327  •  422 comments  •  an hour ago
The late, great George Carlin probably said it best: " Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and...
Jul 14 5:54pm @14.1.4 "..." A common belief in Islam is that infidels (those who do not believe in Islam) are lesser human beings.   Is that a problem? No?  Okay, much of Islam believes that the male of the family...
Jul 14 5:32pm @6.4.45 "..." Give me an example of a fact that is known to be correct simply because people believe it is correct (and not due to empirical validation or logical deduction). And by 'known to be' I am...
Jul 14 1:20pm @13.2.16 It should never be about the people but rather the ideas.   People of course are routinely offended when ideas they hold as truth are challenged, but that cannot be helped.
Jul 14 12:18pm @13.2.14 "..." Of course not.   I was quite surprised by this ex-member's comment (Shep-boy).   I was just offering anecdotal support for DP's post. Most Christians (and I am surrounded by Christians) do...
Jul 14 11:51am @6.4.42 "..." I read your entire post.   This is the only part that continues our discussion so I am only commenting on it.   Your entire post, however, is considered. Implicitly expanding the...
Jul 14 12:25am @13.2.8 There was a member a few years back who claimed that without his religion (he was a YEC) he would probably do whatever he pleased.  He listed rape, theft and beating people up.   Fascinating.
Jul 14 12:08am @6.4.36 "..." Drakk, you posited materialist examples as evidence of God: "..." "..." "..." Do you hold your examples to be evidence of God or not?   If so then your materialist point is not...
Jul 13 11:05pm @13.2.6 Yeah I am just a dreamer.   Who could possibly imagine a person who would care for others without having an omnipresent supervisor keeping tabs of the  good (and bad) deeds.
Jul 13 7:53pm @6.4.34 Since my prior post was unfortunately lengthy do to the fact that I provided our historical quotes to prove a point, let me summarize my essential (most recent) point to you: If our existence can...
Jul 13 7:42pm @6.4.33 No wonder, seems to me that you have flipped the question from evidence to hypothesis. Let's reset back to what we were discussing and let me demonstrate (provide evidence) to back up my...
Jul 13 6:07pm @6.4.31 "..." The words 'disturbs' and 'hate' presumes emotions that I do not think are there for the average agnostic atheist.   We object to the notion that truth can come from faith and the notion...
Jul 13 5:51pm @6.4.30 "..." I spent a lot of time @6.4.14 @6.4.16 and @6.4.19 addressing what constitutes evidence for an hypothesis.    Maybe it would be more effective if you explained why my answers did not answer...
Jul 13 5:45pm @13.2.3 I like to think that most people do not need to be coerced by a religious organization to do good.   From the smallest voluntary acts such as opening a door for someone, waving one on in traffic,...
Jul 13 11:47am @6.4.25 "..." I don't; I did not raise a problem with your definition of hypothesis.    My focus was on the concept of evidence.
Jul 13 9:28am @2.2.62 I would say you have a good handle on our friend Freewill.   He is very thoughtful.
Jul 13 1:07am @13.2.1 "..." You should pay more attention then to what we write.   Don't just operate on your stereotype, it leads to a false reality.
Jul 12 7:46pm @6.4.19 "..." I think I will address another example, the above fact that the universe exists.   You suggest that this is evidence that the Christian God exists because it is compatible with that...
Jul 12 7:13pm @6.4.16 "..." I explained and gave examples as to why that is not the case. You offer the fact that we exist.   I agree with your fact.   Now, what does our existence evidence? What if I were to...
Jul 12 12:29pm @6.4.14 "..." You focus on the one word?   I would ask you to take the following as a summary followed immediately by an explanation. "..." You could not possibly have missed that. "..." Evidence...
Jul 12 12:08pm @2.2.54 "..." Proselytizing typically takes the form of expressing (unsolicited) the claims of truth per religious authority.   Claims are made (per the authority) and often scripture is quoted as...
Jul 12 1:14am @2.2.48 Panning for gold.
Jul 12 1:13am @2.2.46 "..." I am confident that you would welcome an argument from HA that was as I described:  "... if you genuinely engage on the topic without getting personal ...".
Jul 12 1:11am @2.4.2 Religions are motivated to encourage their members to recruit other members.   This is of course obvious.   It is no surprise that the Bible portrays Jesus with this message.   It is essentially...
Jul 12 1:02am @2.2.44 Having your claims of certainty challenged in a public forum on an article you seeded is not silencing you.   It is, if anything, probative.   It is a means to illustrate that you have not...
Jul 12 12:14am @2.2.38 "..." No, it would be a judgment call based on semantics.   That is why you mods get paid the big $$. "..." The title alone does not determine proselytizing.  But in this case the title...
Jul 11 9:06pm @2.2.35 "..." It is contextual.   In this forum, proselytizing applies to religious content only.   Probably because proselytizing is, in general, seen first in terms of religion and then beliefs.   That...
Jul 11 8:31pm @4.1.49 "..." I am curious.   Do you consider the belief that our dead loved ones are watching over us to be the result of a comforting wish (on your part) or the result of you considering evidence...
Jul 11 8:07pm @4.4.13 "..." I just told you in my prior comment that FSM is derisive to an idea.   "..." An idea is different than a person.  So why am I repeating myself Tacos!?   ( In the future I will likely...
Jul 11 7:12pm @4.4.8 "..." Let's focus then on an actual slur.   The slur 'faggot' is a derisive insult of male homosexuals — a personal attack based on who they are.   A parody on a religious idea such as FSM is...
Jul 11 5:42pm @4.4.6 "..." You cannot be serious, are you?  A few mentions of the FSM and that means Gordy is not, as a whole, thoughtful in his comments?   What you just did is strong evidence that you are...
Jul 11 5:25pm @4.1.45 It is probably because Christianity dominates the USA and the membership of this site.
Jul 11 2:31pm @4.1.31 IMO, all religions share a common negative of being inherently control mechanisms.   Some belief systems such as Buddhism are pretty gray when it comes to calling them religions so there is a...
Jul 11 2:02pm @4.1.22 Crucially, Gordy has not argued that these claims are necessarily false.   
Jul 11 1:44pm @7.1.76 "..." Why play this pointless semantics game?   Use the phrase 'religious belief' and this meta debate ends immediately. "..." Faux obtuseness is a debate tactic.   Calling it out is fine....
Jul 11 1:37pm @7.1.74 "..." Drakk is.   But you are correct, most everyone else who has participated on the opposition front has not engaged in debate.   Mostly in meta, not debate.
Jul 11 1:19pm @7.1.70 One could write a series of articles on common religious claims and the obvious rebuttals to same.   Each article could take a claim, offer the rebuttal and then open the discussion for analysis of...
Jul 11 1:07pm @7.1.68 I would be in favor of you putting forth more articles which offer a critical analysis of religious beliefs.   Of course the allegation is not that you (and I) put forth critical analysis but that...
Jul 11 11:30am @4.4.3 "..." I think that a social media forum is the perfect place to discuss matters that are awkward or impossible to discuss/debate in everyday life.   With regards to religion, I am against making...
Jul 11 10:53am @7.1.63 One more point, you have just presented a perfect example of confirmation bias.   No doubt that you want your claim that Gordy and I publish 'many' anti-religious articles to be true.  You produce...
Jul 11 10:41am @4.4.1 To be clearer, I am arguing that even if nobody today is influenced by any religion in any way, religion itself is a control mechanism.   Religion, by its very nature, is set up to control people....
Jul 11 3:07am @7.1.62 "..." A blatant dodge of an obvious question.   Well, the answer is that declaring a belief is profoundly different from declaring a certain truth. If you do not understand that then you could...
Jul 11 3:03am @7.1.61 I noted that pro-religious articles appear on NT almost daily.   You deliver a handful of articles over 3 years of active NT membership and think you have made a point.   You have instead...
Jul 11 12:46am @7.1.49 End this meta Texan.   Most every comment you have written in this article is off-topic meta.   Final warning.
Jul 11 12:23am @7.1.44 "..." Perfect example.   Your statement is your considered opinion.   You bear no burden of proof (or even evidence) in the above.   Now, contrast what you actually wrote with this: "The Dodgers...
Jul 11 12:12am @2.2.15 "..." I am pretty sure that the sanctimonious arrogance Gordy refers to is encapsulated in claims of certainty such as:   the majority of the people in the world have the wrong religion and will...
Jul 11 12:07am @2.2.13 Proselytizing (the religious sense) is against site rules.   Most people in my experience do not consider the attempts to persuade others to their point of view as proselytizing.   For example,...
Jul 10 5:34pm @10.2.14 Then end the 'discussion' BF.  It has been nothing but meta from you.   If you want to discuss the article then discuss the content not the fact that it was written (or your psychoanalysis of the...
Jul 10 4:23pm @10.2.10 The purpose of this article was to engage in discussion / debate.   The opposite of an echo chamber.   And if this is boring then either contribute to the content and engage in thoughtful debate...
Jul 10 4:05pm @9.2.7 You are not paying attention then. You are also trolling.   Time to move on.
Jul 10 4:02pm @10.2.8 "..." I personally do not consider challenging claims of certainty to be a waste of bandwidth.    But you could make that silly allegation about any interest.   Those who are here to engage...
Jul 10 3:30pm @9.2.5 You have yet to make a thoughtful comment on the content of the article.
Jul 10 3:24pm @10.2.5 "..." I see no reason to get upset whether your opinion is true or false.   But I do see a reason to reply.   Is that okay with you? "..." Calling your comment about people getting boners a...
Jul 10 3:14pm @9.2.2 So you personally see no problem with a belief system that encourages killing of a daughter if she has sex with an infidel; the killing of a homosexual; female mutilation, subjugation of women, etc.? 
Jul 10 3:12pm @10.2.2 "..." That is your fantasy bf.   I am quite aware that one of these 'groups' focuses on facts and reason and not on name-calling.
Jul 10 2:56pm @10.2 "..." I can understand your confusion since your perception of what is taking place is entirely wrong.
Jul 10 2:47pm @6.4.9 Nope.   To be evidence, an observation must lead to the hypothesis.   There is nothing in your list of evidences that designate God.   I will illustrate this with examples: "..." Where does this...
Jul 10 2:18pm @2.2.9 I interpreted her comment to be against proselytizing.
Jul 10 1:54pm @7.1.17 Note that I am purposely being very succinct in my replies to you and that it is not possible to reply to a meta comment without engaging in meta. Do you have anything to offer on the content or...
Jul 10 1:22pm @9.2 Do you see a problem with a religion that calls for the killing of a daughter if she has sex with an infidel?   How about the killing of a homosexual?    Female mutilation, subjugation of women,...
Jul 10 1:16pm @6.4.6 And when one raises this very point it is ignored. I find it funny that Dr. William Lane Craig, probably the best theist debater today, makes the teleological argument which posits that the...
Jul 10 1:05pm @6.4.5 "..." The belief in a God is not extraordinary, but the claim that a particular God exists is quite extraordinary.   This is a claim, at least for Christians, that there is a sentient entity of...
Jul 10 12:45pm @6.4.2 None of these are evidence of God (especially the Christian God). "..." Our existence does not point us to the answer for how we came to be.   It is evidence that a complex life form is...
Jul 10 12:29pm @7.2.9 "..." I see you ignoring probative questions (likely because you do not have a good answer) and instead focus on meta.  
Jul 10 12:21pm @5.1.5 "..." I think our morality is an emergent property of biological and sociological evolution.   Our biology includes factors which influence how we behave.   For example, the amygdala will raise a...
Jul 10 12:06pm @4.1.10 "..." Succinctly: Fear:  If you do not believe, you will suffer eternal damnation Comfort:  If you believe, you will have eternal life and all that comes with it. Scare them to death and...
Jul 10 12:01pm @7.1.12 "..." Yes, I am addressing the person who is perpetuating negative meta in this article.    Most of your comments are meta rather than addressing the content of the article.   Easy correction, if...
Jul 10 11:47am @7.1.11 "..." Others have expressed this theistic hypothesis.   To me it is a very strange notion that projects a non-understanding of how the typical atheist thinks.   An atheist (typically) simply is...
Jul 10 2:16am @7.2.4 "..." Nit-picking is the best you have?   Note also, your implication is 'too many'. "..." Do you embrace Islam?   Do you, using the specifics of my comment, support honor killings, genital...
Jul 10 2:11am @7.1.5 "..." Tell you what Tacos! how about ceasing your entirely meta comments and make some thoughtful comments on the article?    So far, looking just at your comments, you have focused on attack...
Jul 10 2:00am @7.2.2 "..." Yes that is a fact.   Another fact is that most of our time is spent challenging pro-religious seeds.   You complaining that Gordy and I post too many anti-religion seeds is ridiculous...
Jul 10 1:56am @7.1.2 "..." Oh please Tacos! let's be petty enough to back up your claim.   Take a look over the past 6 months and see how many seeds / articles Gordy and I have written whose purpose is to attack...
Jul 10 1:43am @6.3.10 "..." If I were to accuse you of engineering an echo chamber so that you could make yourself feel superior, you would not find that to be a derogatory personal comment?  "..." You can then...
Jul 10 1:32am @7.2 Have you looked at how often Gordy writes articles such as this?   Compare that with prolific anti-science, anti-secularist seeding by some in this very forum.   Yet you complain  that Gordy chose...
Jul 10 1:05am @6.3.7 Okay with me.   My key focus, thus far, has been on the demonstrable fact that the God of the Bible, as defined in the Bible, is a contradiction and thus cannot exist as defined. A sentient...
Jul 10 1:00am @6.3.5 Not sure what you are referring to, but NOBODY should go personal and derogatory.   It is one thing to state actual facts based on what an individual has expressed in comments.   But to presume...
Jul 10 12:51am @6.3.2 "..." I did not claim that.   My point was that the battle is not between everyday religious people vs. everyday scientists.   The 'battle' is due to religious organizations misrepresenting...
Jul 10 12:46am @6.1.2 "..." So basically, because there is no currently known way to evidence the supernatural, you deem it 'circular' when a person notes that they are not convinced the supernatural exists due to a...
Jul 10 12:30am @6.3 "..." Explain that then to Ken Ham and his band of science spinners at Answers In Genesis.   Explain that to the Discovery Institute and its Trojan Horse attempts to portray Intelligent Design as...
Jul 10 12:16am @6.1 "..." What you are doing is a common twist of what is claimed.   The claim is NOT that the material universe is all that could possibly exist.   Rather, the claim is that -based on the evidence-...
Jul 09 11:49pm @4.1.5 "..." Those who follow the 'be kind to others' philosophy inherent in many religions are, I submit, using religion to suit their (good) purposes.   Many families choose to send their kids to...
Jul 09 6:46pm @4 Very good identification of the problems with religion.    Ultimately, religion is a control mechanism — an extremely effective one.    With irony I have observed quite a few people complain about...
The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 1: The Great Flood & Noah's Ark

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 1: The Great Flood & Noah's Ark


By: Gordy327  •  228 comments  •  5 hours ago
This article is the first in a series of articles I plan to write (depending on my available time and interest) objectively examining popular biblical stories to establish their veracity or likelihood of having actually occurred. While many people might view the stories as fables and allegories, some do view them as actual, literal events that have occurred (Looking at you Ken Hamm, lol)....
Jul 14 12:52pm @25.1 "..." But it is not perfectly smooth.   I could just as easily say:  if the Earth were ½ its size, the water on our full-sized Earth would be sufficient to flood it.   But that would be silly....
Jul 14 1:22am @24.1 Mr. Woodmorappe makes vague claims.   He identifies problems with the story and then promises us that he has determined this is actually not a problem.   Yet his supporting facts are not presented....
Jul 14 12:22am @1.1.30 "..." What profession is that?   Would help clarify your post.
Jul 14 12:20am @19.1.11 Or visit biologos
Jul 14 12:19am @9.2.9 Thing is, just normal ebb and flow of the waters would stress a wooden ship of those dimensions and expose leaks that would sink it.   Remember Bill Nye's argument on that and the fact that nobody...
Jul 13 6:43pm @14.4.32 I am not following this.
Jul 13 12:40pm @1.1.25 While I realize you have nothing more to give, note that a preponderance of belief does not make something true (or even more likely true).  Remember the world used to think the sun and other stars...
Jul 13 12:37pm @4.2.2 I doubt that any religious person I know outside of a forum actually believes the Noah's ark story is fact.   Typically it (as with much of the Bible) is considered to be simply an allegory. That...
Jul 13 1:03am @1.1.20 "..." I suspect Sandy means it in this sense:
Jul 13 12:56am @14.4.18 "..." You are correct CB, but the absence of evidence for a claim so grand as God flooding the Earth, etc. for such a long time actually makes a decent argument that this never happened.  Not...
Jul 13 12:49am @1.1.19 "..." And faith adds no veracity to the idea.   That is what flies in the face of those who need to be persuaded that something is true.   There is no taking something on faith because that...
Jul 12 3:32pm @18.2.2 My point is in reference to early comments from you about religious talk.   I am pointing out to you that this discussion is negative on an idea but is, as usual, not deriding people. 
Jul 12 1:16pm @11.2.10 Just shows how susceptible our minds are to a sales pitch.   Especially well-honed pitches that have evolved over many centuries to hit the hot spots.
Jul 12 1:10pm @18.2 Note that we are deriding an idea.   This is what typically takes place.   This, however, is translated by some into 'Christian bashing'.    It is not, it is challenging (and bashing)...
Jul 12 12:52pm @14.4.2 "..." I agree.   God, as defined in the Bible, could do anything that is logically possible to do.   So instead of building an ark, gathering animals, flooding the planet (or a portion),...
Jul 12 12:41pm @14.3.5 That is my position as well.   So when someone declares truth based on the inerrant divinity of the Bible, I challenge the declaration.   For example, given your reference, when someone deems...
Jul 12 1:29am @14.3 "..." That is perfectly reasonable, especially given the perspective of the ancients.   They would not know that they are on a planet.   They just knew what they could see, smell, feel and hear...
Jul 12 1:23am @11.1.14 Again, surely you have a point to make.   What is it?
Jul 12 1:22am @11.1.13 What point are you making?   Seriously, some of the content in your copy & paste correlates with what I have actually written here.   So are you trying to argue that the ark story could be...
Jul 12 1:18am @9.2.4 It might, hard to say without the specific engineering specs.   I am sure Noah had them tucked away somewhere. What is likely is that the ark (without any animals on it) would last a few days at...
Jul 11 9:10pm @9.2.2 Ham's ark is actually just a facade.   There is a concrete structure (a building) behind the ark.   It is a building made to look like an ark.   As built, it is not even remotely sea-worthy....
Jul 11 8:50pm @9 The Ark itself is implausible Yes, the best wooden ship builders in history have never built any sea-worthy wooden ship the size of the ark.   But Noah did, and it was seaworthy for almost a year....
Jul 11 8:48pm @8 The amount of water needed to flood the earth does not exist on earth Well this one is simply passed off as a miracle.   God poofed in the water and then poofed it away.   Odd thing is that if...
Jul 11 8:44pm @7 The lack of geological evidence This is another tough one for apologists.   Amazingly we see apologists claiming that the Grand Canyon was not formed by runoff via the Colorado river but was...
Jul 11 8:40pm @6 The lack of paleontological evidence : Yeah this is where the apologists have an extremely hard time.   Somehow clusters of animals such as the marsupials in Australia and the penguins in...
Jul 11 8:29pm @4 "..." The common explanations offered for this are that the ark only contains two of each 'kind'.   A 'kind' is an undefined term, but it seems to be used to define creatures at a high...
Jul 11 8:11pm @3.2 Your first comment is pure meta.  Address the content of the article.
Anti-Christian Bigotry Is the Last Acceptable Prejudice

Anti-Christian Bigotry Is the Last Acceptable Prejudice


Via: 1776 Traditional American  •  61 comments  •  3 minutes ago
The bigotry across the mainstream media, academia, Hollywood, The biggest multinationals, and big tech social media against religion in general and Christianity in particular is overwhelming and blatantly obvious as the points below demonstrate. It’s ok to attack religiosity and religious people and point out the problems with it, but point out the good it does or the positive effects of being...
Jul 13 11:30pm @3.3.3 It is akin to someone peddling old technology like land lines or even cable TV.   People are moving on to wireless and streaming.   Sure there are die-hards who will cling to the older technology...
Jul 12 12:49am @5.1.7 In short, you chose to completely dodge my question.   Actually, given your prior answers, you just made a wise choice.
Jul 12 12:17am @5.1.2 Sure HA, please tell everyone your views on homosexuality.
Jul 11 8:10pm @3.1.2 "..." I would not want to determine what other people believe.   I am in favor of people thinking critically and rationally coming to sensible conclusions based on good evidence and reason.
Jul 11 7:49pm @3 Although this percentage is showing a rapid decline, 65% of Americans still identify as Christian.   Historically Christianity has dominated the USA.    So it is only natural that criticisms of...
Religion--accept it or ignore it!

Religion--accept it or ignore it!


By: Texan1211  •  64 comments  •  yesterday  •  LOCKED
The topic of religion and/or God comes up here frequently. Passions seem to run high on both sides of the issue. I know of no other topic that gets people quite so worked up. Here is a solution to all the fighting: 1. Keep your religion to yourself, and don't try to convert anyone here. It will not work, if anyone hasn't figured that out yet. People don't come here to be...
Jul 13 12:09pm @3.1.16 "..." Well, Texan, I have explained this countless times.   I respond to claims of certainty; especially those that directly contradict modern science.   When someone is out making claims that I...
Jul 13 11:37am @4.2.15 You know that Gordy disagrees with your position so of course he will provide a counter.    All he said was that some put forth 'evidence' that is not actually evidence.   That is not tit-for-tat,...
Jul 13 11:16am @3.1.14 "..." Is that not true of pretty much any disagreement on any topic in any forum? Typically, in religious discussions, the thoughtful discourse is short-lived.   The reason is that the religious...
Jul 13 12:31am @3.1.12 "..." In theory if religious thinking did not manifest in other factors such as the law of the land, bigotry, etc.   But in practice, there will always be individuals out there pushing ideas and...
Jul 12 8:08pm @4.1 I would also suggest that if someone seeks to make a claim of certainty (most religious claims are claims of certainty referencing some religious authority) then at least think one step ahead and...
Jul 12 8:02pm @3 "..." I agree.  Now, that established, do you preclude people from making critical analysis comments about religion itself or of a particular religion or a religious idea or claim?   A strict...
Jul 12 7:59pm @2 "..." Partisan politics is worse.
Trump expected to commute Roger Stone sentence, days before prison term set to begin

Trump expected to commute Roger Stone sentence, days before prison term set to begin


Via: Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  •  178 comments  •  3 hours ago
Jul 12 3:25pm @3.1.85 "..." Where do you see me stating that you said this?    Better read my comment more carefully before lashing out with mind reader allegations. "..." Good grief, another blindly emotive...
Jul 12 11:48am @3.1.78 "..." You are now taking this into the complex area of determining what should be the appropriate sentence for what she did.   This gets into the details of the trial itself and then the...
Jul 12 12:32am @5.1.24 "..." You know I moved on after you started up a third thread trying to deflect from Dulay's point.   But if you want someone to answer, it is quite easy to do so.  So do not pretend that a...
Jul 11 8:56pm @4.1.20 Fully agree.  
Jul 11 12:53pm @4.1.11 "..." Well then I wish you great luck serving your 7 years (rather than 0 days).  
Jul 11 12:51pm @5.1 Good grief, you open now a third major thread on this?    How funny.
Jul 11 12:49pm @3.1.34 see @4.1.9 "..." The better deal is to not serve any time in prison.   Note also that Manning was up for parole in a few months which means Obama might have only shaved a few months off her...
Jul 11 12:42pm @4.1.9 That was not Dulay's point.   Also, if you really have a need to make another comparison, 7/35 is 20% of a sentence whereas 0/40 is 0% of a sentence. So would you prefer to serve 20% of your...
Jul 11 12:17pm @4.1.4 "..." Very good.   You see the big difference between serving 7 years and serving 0 days.   That major difference in situations was Dulay's point.
Jul 11 12:13pm @3.1.30 "..." Yes, everyone agrees that both Manning and Stone received a presidential commute.   See?   We all have always agreed on that fact.   No dispute. Got it Tex?   We all agree? Now, here is...
Jul 11 12:08pm @4.1.2 Interesting.   So you would prefer to serve 7 years of a sentence rather than serve 0 days of a sentence? You do realize those were the choices I noted, right?   Manning=7 years, commute....
Jul 11 12:01pm @3.1.26 Who cares?   The 4 month bit is totally irrelevant.    What is relevant is the 7 years served vs. 0 days served.  
Jul 11 11:58am @3.1.25 4 months is an aside.   It makes zero difference in the point. "..." Texan, this is not difficult to comprehend. Manning and Stone both had their sentences commuted by a PotUS.   That is the...
Jul 11 11:50am @4.1 Yes indeed.   Both commutes, one served 7 years the other served 0 days.   Which deal would you want?
Jul 11 11:48am @3.1.22 The four months off sentence came from a seemingly poorly worded statement by the NY Times: "..." That does not change the point.   The monster difference, explaining yet again, is that Manning...
Jul 11 11:22am @3.1.18 "..." Your comment then misrepresented your understanding. "..." See, you really do not understand.   You see the commonality (the commute) but seem unable to recognize the major difference I...
Jul 11 11:15am @3.1.14 You are ROFLMAO at Dulay's point.   That suggests you do not understand it. Dulay noted that while Obama commuted Manning's sentence, Manning did indeed pay a price of 7 years served.  In fact,...
Trump's Reckless Push To Reopen Schools Is An Admission Of Failure

Trump's Reckless Push To Reopen Schools Is An Admission Of Failure


Via: Tessylo  •  194 comments  •  8 hours ago
U.S. Trump's Reckless Push To Reopen Schools Is An Admission Of Failure Arthur Delaney July 10, 2020, 11:38 AM By pushing to reopen schools this fall regardless of whether the coronavirus is still spreading wildly, President Donald Trump is giving up on his own plan to contain the virus. In April, the White House unv eiled ” Guidelines for...
Jul 11 5:49pm @8.1.13 "..." I was speaking in very general terms.   There are always special cases in any scenario.
Jul 11 12:04pm @8.1.8 "..." They will help, but my point is that the biology of the young children is actually the strongest factor. "..." I have no idea what they might do.   The point is that a good precaution...
Jul 11 11:05am @8.1.6 Other factors for classrooms are that the kids can be tested daily and that children are very resistant to the coronavirus.   A classroom of elementary kids is much safer than, say, a bunch of...
Jul 11 12:39am @3.2.15 "..." Knowing how you roll, you have reserved a special definition for the phrase 'routine practices' within which you will equivocate.   Your prior comment, however, ... "..." ... is clearly...
Jul 10 7:27pm @3.2.12 Then you propose everyday people walk around with the same protective face coverings as frontline medical professionals? On what basis do you find that a practical course of action?
Jul 10 6:04pm @3.2.8 "..." Why?   Where do you find the data that suggests face coverings obviate the need for social distancing in the general public?   I am not objecting to you having an opinion, but rather am...
Jul 10 5:50pm @3.2.6 "..." The only thing they know for certain?   Good grief man do you think the scientific community is incompetent?   The scientific community knows a hell of a lot more about this virus than...
Jul 10 5:39pm @3.2.3 "..." There will always be unknowns.   Are you of the opinion that we should not engage in social distancing?   It sure seems that way based on your comments.   And if you do realize that social...
Jul 10 3:22pm @3.2 "..." You are asking too general a question.   Social distancing of 6 feet does not work if someone is yelling, coughing or sneezing but it is quite effective for normal talking.   Social...
German Biotech Sees Its Coronavirus Vaccine Ready for Approval by December

German Biotech Sees Its Coronavirus Vaccine Ready for Approval by December


Via: Vic Eldred  •  8 comments  •  4 days ago  •  LOCKED
BERLIN—The German biotech firm that has partnered with  Pfizer  Inc.  to develop a coronavirus vaccine is confident it will be ready to seek regulatory approval by the end of the year, according to its chief executive. Several hundred million doses could be produced even before approval, and over 1 billion by the end of 2021,  BioNTech  SE co-founder and CEO Dr. Ugur Sahin told The...
Jul 10 4:29pm @2 Well I am 100% behind their efforts.   I cannot think of a more worthwhile cause than finding an effective, deployable vaccine to address this pandemic. Great seed Vic.
Satanic Temple plans to sue Mississippi if state puts 'In God We Trust' on flag | TheHill

Satanic Temple plans to sue Mississippi if state puts 'In God We Trust' on flag | TheHill


Via: JohnRussell  •  59 comments  •  4 days ago
Jul 10 11:19am @3.1.2 It is a net concept of the Establishment clause —not actual words— based on the founders' desire to avoid manifestations such as the Church of England.
Jul 10 11:15am @1.3.11 I was kidding. 
Jul 09 11:57am @1.3.3 They certainly will not prevail. I think the flag (and all national / state artifacts, laws, etc.) should be secular and apply to ALL people equally; thus I disagree with this motto.   One could...
Jul 09 11:38am @1.3 Since the word 'God' is ill-defined, the meaning of the word defaults to 'supreme entity'; it is a deistic reference.   As you point out, it does not designate any particular god except by...
Op/Ed CNN Admits New Study Shows Hydroxychloroquine Has ‘Helped Coronavirus Patients Survive Better’

Op/Ed CNN Admits New Study Shows Hydroxychloroquine Has ‘Helped Coronavirus Patients Survive Better’


Via: 1776 Traditional American  •  247 comments  •  4 days ago
With the testing showing a form of the virus is still with us the use of Hydroxychloroquine now is all the more important.  Use it and use it early on.  Trump was right again as usual!  
Jul 10 2:24am @5.2.48 See this is what I am talking about.   Do you think anyone (other than those who support anything you write) will be positively impressed with your rebuttal of?: "..." My advice is to always...
Jul 09 11:18pm @5.2.46 Sour grapes.   You are the one routinely declaring truth; in response, your declarations are challenged with facts and logic — not declarations of truth. Rather than constantly complain, put forth...
Jul 08 11:32am @5.2.37 "..." You should not be doctor shopping but rather researching the drug.   Your focus should not be on finding a way around regulations but rather on ensuring that a drug you take will do more...
Jul 08 11:30am @5.2.36 "..." Correct.   The FDA demonstrably makes mistakes.   So now considering that fact, which is a safer practice: Seriously question drugs that are not approved (or banned) by the FDA Ignore the...
Jul 07 6:31pm @5.2.26 "..." I do not see this as trying to reduce freedom of choice (as in an authoritarian ideological goal) but instead trying to lessen harm done by taking the wrong drugs.   That is the purpose of...
Jul 06 7:20pm @2.2.46 I think JBB nailed it  @2.2.41
Jul 06 7:13pm @6.1.8 Pure fantasy.
Jul 06 7:12pm @3.2.6 A great way to advance one’s pursuit of truth is to face one’s opposition and deliver cogent rebuttals.   It challenges one to more deeply inspect one’s positions.   In contrast, ignoring contrary...
Jul 06 5:57pm @2.2.38 Yup, given the history I think you are correct.
Jul 06 2:58pm @2.2.35 If someone makes a claim that one is convinced is false, is it unreasonable to ask for evidence (if not proof)? I frankly would like to read where someone has claimed a monopoly on ‘pro science’...
Jul 06 2:16am @2.2.30 "..." Really?   Please deliver these claims.   Provide a link.
Jul 06 2:14am @3.2.4 Such a persuasive rebuttal.  
Jul 06 2:10am @6.2.28 "..." We typically offer opposing viewpoints backed by supporting arguments.    When one ignores opposing views, one precludes growth and solidifies tunnel vision.  It does not surprise me at all...
Jul 06 12:26am @7.1.21 "..." I agree, there is no conspiracy;  we are simply seeing natural dynamics. "..." Do you consider Texas a blue state?   I think you are seeing what you want to see HA.   Blue cities and...
Jul 05 8:43pm @6.2.23 "..." Which is probably why I have never seen you advance in your positions.   Refusing to even entertain an opposing view stifles one's growth.
Jul 05 8:42pm @7.1.13 "..." That is what I was referring to.  Your conspiracy theory is that mayors and governors are trying to take away our freedoms and are exploiting the pandemic to do so.   That is a silly...
Jul 05 11:58am @7.1.11 Just like politics as usual.   The fact that authorities of a certain political persuasion and/or ideology would act in ways (over time and in general) that favor their views (and disfavor opposing...
Jul 05 11:25am @7.1.9 Some of the rules do seem arbitrary, I agree with you there.   The reason, IMO, is due to the lack of information on the virus, the specific dynamics of the area of jurisdiction and the...
Jul 05 11:18am @6.2.18 In addition, the FDA is concerned about the safety of using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19: "..." In short, hydroxychloroquine might have a significant general positive...
Jul 05 10:53am @7.1.7 You declare no conspiracy theory and then, in the next sentences (which should back up your claim), you state your conspiracy theory.  
Jul 04 11:35pm @7.1.4 It is amazing to witness someone who believes that this pandemic is actually a scheme to take away freedoms.   That is the problem with believing what people tell you rather than engaging in...
Jul 04 12:33pm @2.2.16 "..." -and- "..." -and- "..." Why is it that you almost always reply with gratuitous snark and/or personal insults? "..." My point was that what some people do does not define a...
Jul 04 11:52am @2.2.13 "..." Terms like 'the left' or 'the right' are immediately vague, gross generalizations of complex ideological / political / cultural views.   It is difficult to make a meaningful point using...
Jul 04 11:12am @3.2.2 see @6
Jul 04 11:11am @2.2.11 "..." Of course.   Not only is the act of gathering in groups sans protective measures irresponsible, the acts of vandalism, theft, bodily harm are of course reprehensible.   Not everyone lets...
Jul 04 11:06am @5.2.3 "..." I am sure there are people who do foolish things to 'spite' political opponents, and those people probably think most people stupidly behave likewise.   I doubt the typical 'Trump...
Jul 04 10:56am @6.2.3 Here are two approaches: Approach One Read a title of an article that seems to make your point Read the content of the article for facts and ideas Articulate your point in a comment using your...
Jul 03 10:43pm @2.2.3 "..." You would purposely not wear a mask (whose primary purpose is to mitigate the spread of infection from you to others) because you want to 'spite them'? The good part of Christianity is the...
GOP Rep. Becomes Weirdly Violent With Mask, Rants About Nazis In Bonkers Video

GOP Rep. Becomes Weirdly Violent With Mask, Rants About Nazis In Bonkers Video


Via: Tessylo  •  12 comments  •  5 days ago
U.S. GOP Rep. Becomes Weirdly Violent With Mask, Rants About Nazis In Bonkers Video Ed Mazza July 9, 2020, 2:21 AM A Republican lawmaker in Louisiana has launched a strange new kind of attack ad in which he fights a piece of paper and a mask . In a video released on Facebook, state Rep. Danny McCormick crumples a piece of paper with a...
Jul 09 5:33pm @6.1.1 A strange phenomenon.   An abundance of easily accessed information on which to base an informed position yet many still go with gut feelings, desires and/or follow their authorities of choice.
Jul 09 4:03pm @6 This guy is not aware that masks are primarily to protect others from you??
Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US

Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US


Via: Tessylo  •  65 comments  •  4 days ago
Politics Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US July 7, 2020, 8:03 PM EDT Anthony Fauci (R) is the country's top immunologist and a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force Washington (AFP) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he disagrees with the assessment of the country's top immunologist, Anthony Fauci, on...
Jul 09 11:46am @7.3.4 Some certainly seem to be stupid.   I think most, however, are not as stupid as their positions suggest.   Blindly (i.e. not understanding the reasons well enough to defend the position; just...
Jul 09 11:16am @7.3.1 Partisanship makes some folks behave stupidly.
Jul 09 12:32am @7.2.3 Well, CB, I think your comment is spot on.
Jul 08 11:50pm @7.2.1 You have a point.   This is one incident in a rather substantial career with many recent data points on which to compare.   It is a very weak argument which smells strongly of partisanship.
Jul 08 5:05pm @7 "..." Talk about Saul Alinsky tactics, this incessant drilling on a single point seems to be a mantra from Trump supporters.   Further, typical Trump, gratuitiously discrediting Dr. Fauci and...
Masking the Truth: It’s not about the Virus, It’s about Obedience

Masking the Truth: It’s not about the Virus, It’s about Obedience


Via: 1776 Traditional American  •  54 comments  •  4 days ago
It is time to resist the edicts and mandates of blue city mayors and blue state governors.  We must remind them that they are out public servants and that we are not their subjects.  They have gone too far with their elitist god complexes and control freak zealotry.  
Jul 07 11:55pm @4.1.1 "..."   Masks inhibit an infected person spreading the infection via breathing and talking.   They are not part of some worldwide conspiracy to gratuitously control people. 
Jul 07 5:14pm @4 "..." This is so ridiculous. When in public, engage in social distancing and wear a mask to mitigate infecting others in close proximity.   Keep your hands clean and avoid touching your face....
The Left's Coronavirus Narrative Is a Myth

The Left's Coronavirus Narrative Is a Myth


Via: Vic Eldred  •  43 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
Jul 07 11:45pm @2.1.21 Good for him.   So maybe the deception was the result of an incomplete answer that was completed at the end of the interview.
Jul 07 11:44pm @2.1.20 I agree with your position; neither do I. Dr. Fauci made a calculation apparently to help preserve the face masks (then in short supply) for front-line medical personnel.   His method was...
Jul 07 7:04pm @2.1.15 "..." Well of course they should be held accountable.   But you recognize that there are a lot of people operating in different roles and saying a lot of things.   Dr. Fauci's strategic deception...
Jul 07 6:57pm @2.1.14 "..." Quite an abrupt segue from scientists not being omniscient to the strategic lie of a talking head.   Dr. Fauci is one scientist who is currently operating in a political role.   The...
Jul 07 6:51pm @2.1.13 "..." Yes, but you presume that the only thing the vaccine would do is form the exact same antibodies seen in COVID-19 patients.   If that is all the finally released vaccine can do then I will...
Jul 07 6:10pm @2.1.9 "..." If a vaccine only produced short-lived antibodies then it would be of limited use.   Why do you presume that a vaccine would necessarily mimic the frailty of natural antibodies?
Jul 07 6:09pm @2.1.8 "..." Why do you presume that the experts will have all the answers?    The experts (the underlying scientists) are still just human beings trying to unravel a mystery.   They will naturally...
Jul 07 5:30pm @2.1.5 "..." No definitive evidence that recovering from COVID-19 means you cannot be re-infected.   Recovered patients do have anti-bodies but they do not last long in the system.   So the immunity, if...
Jul 07 2:59pm @3.1.3 "..." Seems to me that they have not spent enough time understanding the recommended preventative measures and why.   I suspect they only have in their mind 'must wear a mask' without knowledge...
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott needs your help to beat the coronavirus: Wear a mask

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott needs your help to beat the coronavirus: Wear a mask


Via: Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  •  136 comments  •  4 days ago
Jul 07 12:57pm @4.1.51 "..." In my opinion, a rational course of action given a worldwide pandemic is to devote extraordinary resources to finding a vaccine.   It is clear that if our only weapons to fight this spread...
Jul 07 11:56am @4.1.40 "..." It is certainly possible that we never find a successful vaccine, but that is not the indication we are getting.   Rather, there is an expectation of an effective vaccine by the end of this...
Supreme Court rules states can sanction or remove 'faithless' presidential electors

Supreme Court rules states can sanction or remove 'faithless' presidential electors


Via: Vic Eldred  •  28 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
Jul 06 7:30pm @3.2.10 As an aside, since you are focused strictly on ratification of a constitutional amendment, one thing I like about my recommendation is that it does not carry the kind of controversy normally seen...
Jul 06 7:05pm @3.2.9 So you were indeed asking me how to effect amendment ratification.   Why?   Ratification stops virtually every idea from happening.    So no matter what is suggested regarding the CotUS someone can...
Jul 06 5:48pm @2.1 "..." There has never been an election in the USA where faithless electors changed who would be elected PotUS.   What you describe has never happened and is extremely unlikely.
Jul 06 5:32pm @3.2.7 I am going to have to guess at your concern then.   Are you talking about how I would go about amending the CotUS?    That is, are you asking me about the procedural method of effecting the...
Jul 06 5:03pm @3.2.5 See @3
Jul 06 3:17pm @3.2.3 "..." Baron, how can you say my suggestion would not address faithless electors when I am suggesting we do away with human electors?   Without human beings, it is impossible to have a faithless...
Jul 06 1:34pm @3.2.1 My recommendation gives no advantage or disadvantage since the control of allocation remains in each state.   It simply removes unnecessary electors; the state lose no control.   Foe example, if...
Jul 06 1:28pm @3.1.2 Nope
Jul 06 11:04am @3 Human electors is an obsolete safeguard.   Instead of going through the motions, states should simply calculate the congressional electoral votes based on the winners for each congressional...
136,000 Americans DEAD from COVID19

136,000 Americans DEAD from COVID19


By: Eat The Press Do Not Read It  •  142 comments  •  9 hours ago
And, still, the Sociopath in the White House refuses to wear a FACE MASK. Trump is juvenile, dangerous, and a continuous threat to the safety and well being of all Americans. What kind of world leader refuses to wear a mask during a pandemic because it makes him look weak. Is he still in the 7th grade? What elected leader to a public office has the temerity to calls a PANDEMIC, "Fake?"...
Jul 06 1:46pm @4.4.37 "..." You are still stubbornly conflating talking heads with science.    Science is that which discovers and explains natural phenomena.   Science does not make policy.   If you are emotional...
Jul 06 1:41pm @4.3.22 Lol, I figured you would find a way to disagree but was curious as to your choice of justification. So even on the obvious correctness of the PotUS setting a good example, you go contrarian.  
Jul 06 10:42am @4.3.14 Do you think Trump, as PotUS, should set an example of recommended practices by wearing a mask while around others in public?
Republican / Conservative/ Trumpster  Battle Cry For 2020

Republican / Conservative/ Trumpster Battle Cry For 2020


By: JohnRussell  •  143 comments  •  one week ago
"THAT MAN (or woman) HARASSED ME FOR NOT WEARING A MASK" !!!!!  the woman yelled at employees and customers, saying that people were harassing her for not wearing a mask, including calling them "Democratic pigs" as she slammed her basket down. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/viral-video-shows-woman-berating-184800874.html William F Buckley and Barry Goldwater...
Jul 05 2:39pm @7.3.3 I love the independent thinkers.   
Jul 04 9:07pm @9.2.6 "..." Although some cry foul and raise conspiracy theories, sans a vaccine and effective treatment the smart societal move is for people to stay clear of others because it is not possible to know...
Jul 04 8:57pm @9.1.4 "..." Agreed.
Jul 04 1:59am @2.3.18 "..." Yeah, trolling.
2 women hit by speeding Jaguar on closed Seattle freeway during protests - Chicago Tribune

2 women hit by speeding Jaguar on closed Seattle freeway during protests - Chicago Tribune


Via: Drakkonis  •  252 comments  •  6 days ago  •  LOCKED
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Two interesting things concerning this. First, had it been a white guy driving this car, the news media would have taken a very different approach in how they reported this. As it is, they already seem to be trying to make some sort of narrative without knowing anything much at all.  Second, I watched this on several YouTube sites, not for the...
Jul 05 2:34pm @15 "..." Indeed.   Shutting down a freeway (much less for 19 days) goes well beyond a productive protest.   Worse, it is irresponsible. "..." As a result of the hit-and-run by Dawit Kelete.   It...
WHO halts hydroxychloroquine trials after failure to reduce death

WHO halts hydroxychloroquine trials after failure to reduce death


Via: JBB  •  14 comments  •  one week ago
And here I thought I read hydroxychloroquine was worth a damn...butt I guess not!
Jul 05 11:53am @4.1 Would you prefer the World Health Organization operate like a religion and hold fast to its original positions and never change when new information becomes available? Or would you prefer the WHO...
Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors

Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors


By: JohnRussell  •  143 comments  •  one week ago
Faced with financial losses as merchandising partners threaten to cut ties with the team, the ownership of the Washington Redskins NFL team announced today that it will review the franchises name for the future, seen as a sure sign that the 'Redskins' name is history. 
Jul 04 12:41pm @17.1.16 The problem is people in general who simply accept as truth what others tell them.   This is not the behavior of one particular ideology, political view, religion or culture but of all.   This is...
America’s survival hangs in the balance

America’s survival hangs in the balance


Via: 1776 Traditional American  •  104 comments  •  5 days ago
Our constitutional republic, our history, our traditions. Our constitution itself, and are very founding are facing a clear and present danger and it is coming from elements of the hard core secular progressive left.  They as the article below shows want to transform our country as we know it and destroy it as we know it forever in the process.  
Jul 03 11:15pm @8.1.26 Again the simplistic us vs. them mentality is at play.   Apparently he thinks that anything promoted by 'the left' must be bad.  
Jul 03 9:00pm @8.1.21 It is simplistic.   To simply hate 'the left' (or to simply hate 'the right') is to fail to understand reality below a superficial us vs. them level.   This is the same kind of non-thinking that...
Jul 03 8:50pm @8.1.18 "..." Yeah, that is the kind of attitude that makes America great.
Jul 03 5:52pm @8.1.15 "..." Wishing that 'the right' (or 'the left') operate unchallenged is both naive and irresponsible.
Jul 03 5:14pm @8.1.10 Let's see if he 'stands by' that comment then.  The point, of course, is that either extreme operating unchallenged would be bad news.   So HA's desire to 'cancel culture' 'the left' is, not...
Jul 03 4:26pm @8.1.8 The level of projection in your comment is staggering.
Jul 03 4:25pm @8.1.7 "..." I remember you writing that your preferred method for the USA is theocracy but if that is not your position I will assume I am mistaken since you know your position better than anyone else.
Jul 03 11:03am @8.1.2 It is good to have opposing ideologies.   If not, we would likely trend to an extreme.   You, for example, have expressed in the past that the USA should be a theocracy.   A fine example of why it...
Why is there a hostility towards science?

Why is there a hostility towards science?


By: Gordy327  •  396 comments  •  one week ago
One thing the Covid crisis has shown us is the apparent hostility the general populace has towards science. This is (a simplification) demonstrated by people refusing to social distance or wear face masks, despite scientific guidelines and evidence showing their efficacy. Or when people directly contradict science by saying masks do not work, Covid is a hoax, or some similar nonsense, even...
Jul 03 11:11pm @17.1 I do find it interesting that there is a mantra against science by a faction of 'right' individuals.   They are running with a talking point that science is incompetent if new evidence results in...
Jul 02 8:27pm @2.2.114 As I have noted to you many times, this is like panning for gold.   Sometimes one finds a nugget (a thoughtful point or rebuttal) but most of the time one gets, in a word, trolling.
Jul 02 8:21pm @2.2.112 "..." Spot on.   Seems to be a common tactic with a select group; if one cannot make a cogent argument then just try to be obnoxious instead.   Why this is not embarrassing to individuals who...
Jul 02 8:10pm @8.1.70 "..." First of all, I suggested that Dr. Fauci is not the person empowered to require compliance;  those persons are the mayors, governors, Congress and the PotUS.   Dr. Fauci serves as an expert...
Jul 02 2:31pm @8.1.67 "..." Again Nerm, you conflate individuals operating with political authority with science itself. Dr. Fauci is not science.   He is an individual scientist operating in a political /...
Jul 02 2:27pm @2.2.102 Sex cells are different than the sex of an individual.   Life is complicated; one must spend time to grow beyond a superficial understanding of biology.  "..." With this you contradict your own...
Jul 02 11:48am @2.2.98 "..." Normally when one replies to a comment the reply has something to do with the comment. Is the biological hermaphrodite merely a mental disorder or an individual with both sex cells...
Jul 02 11:37am @2.2.95 "..." What does this have to do with what I wrote? Answer:  nothing.  Formulate a response that deals with sex cells if you want to actually respond to what I wrote.
Jul 02 11:36am @8.1.63 Figure out the difference between science and the usage of science (especially by political and religious authorities).  If you continue to conflate the two, your comments (and by extension, your...
Jul 02 11:12am @2.2.90 8-ball is trying to claim that individuals with different combinations of biological sex cells are all mental disorders.   That is wrong at first inspection:  a hermaphrodite (both biological...
Jul 02 10:37am @8.1.59 "..." Here you illustrate one of your problems.   You state 'science is authoritarian' as a summary conclusion to your question/statement that 'science is being used to control the public and...
Jul 02 12:57am @7.2.20 To me the easiest explanation for Genesis is that it is a fantasy dreamed up by ancient men looking up at the sky, looking around at nature and spinning a tale for how it all started.   That...
Jul 01 8:59pm @8.1.43 "..." I proved @8.1.13 that you have used the same word with different usages.   "..." I have been rebutting your authoritarian nonsense since your first comment.   "..." I stated:...
Jul 01 4:47pm @8.1.40 "..." Nobody has claimed that scientific knowledge (findings, theories, etc.) are authoritative (either as in true or as in demanding compliance).   I know I have consistently stated that science...
Jul 01 4:32pm @8.1.38 "..." What bullshit Nerm.    You are the one who introduced authoritarian and authoritative.   You are the one who repeatedly changed the meaning of these terms within your comments.   My...
Jul 01 4:05pm @8.1.34 "..." Who has ever claimed that science achieves perfection (truth)?    Gordy and I both routinely note that science formally explains phenomena based on a foundation of formal evidence and never...
Jul 01 10:23am @8.1.24 "..." Nerm that is blatant bullshit.   I alleged (and proved with direct quotes) that you are using the same word 'authoritative' with different meanings (usage semantics).   You are flip...
Herman Cain hospitalized with coronavirus after Trump rally in Tulsa

Herman Cain hospitalized with coronavirus after Trump rally in Tulsa


Via: JBB  •  18 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Jul 03 5:17pm @8 Believing it cannot happen to you is not a good way to remain healthy amidst this pandemic.
'Star Trek: Lower Decks' Gets Release Date On CBS All Access; USS Cerritos Revealed - TrekMovie.com

'Star Trek: Lower Decks' Gets Release Date On CBS All Access; USS Cerritos Revealed - TrekMovie.com


Via: Dignitatem Societatis  •  31 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Jul 02 2:54pm @1.1 Not feeling it.
Meet the Supporters Trump Has Lost

Meet the Supporters Trump Has Lost


Via: JohnRussell  •  36 comments  •  2 weeks ago
A significant majority of people who voted for him in 2016 are planning to do so again. What is different about those who’ve had a change of heart? For some, the disenchantment started almost as soon as Donald J.   Trump   took office. For others, his handling of the coronavirus and social unrest turned them away. For all of them, it’s highly unlikely they will vote for him again....
Jul 01 8:45pm @2.2.8 The election will, of course, be decided by independents.    Thus my analysis always is relative to how I see fellow independents thinking.   Trump seems to be net negative right now (economy,...
Jul 01 8:41pm @2.2.7 The debates are what I am waiting for now.   I can see where the economic / contentment factor is going but we do not yet have information on Biden's ability (in 2020) to operate as the nominee...
Jul 01 11:13am @2.1.1 "..." True.   But when I look at Biden's strengths (not being Trump, affability, being a D) vs. his weaknesses (foot-in-mouth, not as sharp as he used to be, age) the key mechanism for amplifying...
Jul 01 11:11am @2.2.1 "..." John, do you actually reject the notion that Biden, when engaged in debate, could flounder and look mentally aged?   No matter how much one wants Trump out of office, it serves no good...
Jul 01 10:46am @2 "..." Good grief, was this not obvious during his 2016 campaign? "..." This kind of reasoning sickens me.   No critical thinking whatsoever, just simplistic generalization.   Trump is an...