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The Book of Exodus Overview - Part 1 of 2

The Book of Exodus Overview - Part 1 of 2


Via: CB “The Member Formerly Known as Calbab.”  •  89 comments  •  15 minutes ago
Filled with memorable miracles, Chapters 1-18 in the Book of Exodus hold much more purpose than simple entertainment. They contain historical accounts with tangible truths that still apply to the present. The story begins in Egypt where Genesis leaves off but reveals a much darker picture: Abraham's descendants have indeed grown as...
Feb 23 7:48pm @6.1.39 "..." You are still badgering. "..." I have not discussed atheism but as for discord, that is simply a function of not agreeing.   As noted, if you can only deal with positions harmonious...
Feb 23 7:30pm @6.1.37 see TiG @6.1.35
Feb 23 7:25pm @6.1.34 "..." Not in the least.   Your badgering has no effect other than further confirmation (unfortunately) of truly bad practices on your part.  I have noted what you are doing to get you to realize...
Feb 23 7:15pm @6.1.32 "..." My focus is on evidence of the caliber of scientific evidence.   But one could also provide sound logic based on established (valid) premises.   Got any? "..." There is a difference...
Feb 23 7:00pm @6.1.30 "..." You are not reading: "..." Read this ⇧    "..." Based on the most recent understanding of neuroscience, the things in our minds appear to be functions of our...
Feb 23 6:11pm @6.1.28 "..." Did you not just state: "..." Maybe you should write an article if you want to get into a discussion of consciousness.   In the meantime, read what I wrote: "..." There is nothing...
Feb 23 5:01pm @6.1.24 "..." Then why are you badgering people about worldviews, materialism, naturalism, etc.?   If you want people to discuss your topic then don't steer the ship elsewhere.
Feb 23 4:58pm @6.1.23 "..." You are not reading: "..." Read this ⇧    "..." You are not reading: "..." "..." Read this ⇧   
Feb 23 4:40pm @6.1.20 "..." How is this general badgering responsive to my post?     "..." Read this ⇧
Feb 23 4:37pm @6.1.19 "..." Yes "..." Sure.  Ask a specific, relevant question rather than try to pin general, stereotyped labels on others. "..." Depends on what the individual means by the label.    "..."...
Feb 23 4:21pm @6.1.17 "..." You are not reading:    "..." Read this ⇧ "..." You are not reading: "..." Read this ⇧ "..." You are not reading: "..." Read this...
Feb 23 1:39pm @2.2.4 "..." But that would be dishonest of Moses.   Why would someone write down a bunch of rules for his people and then claim these rules came from the supreme entity?   What could possibly be the...
Feb 23 1:36pm @6.1.12 "..." Yes, that is a label. "..." People 'admit' (or acknowledge or declare) what they wish.   You must realize that not everyone is interested in sharing everything about themselves.   Your...
Feb 23 1:22pm @6.1.10 "..." There is nothing arbitrary about my thought process.   And I am willing to share what I choose to share - not what you demand I share.    "..." Can you function without labeling people?...
Feb 23 1:14pm @6.1.9 "..." What does this have to do with my post?   Yes, Cal, I am a skeptic.   And I do not care what definition you look up for that word because here is what I mean by 'skeptic':    I do not...
Feb 23 12:27pm @6.1.6 "..." Correct.   But I did not talk about 'open and honest transparency' but rather your game of labels.   Two entirely different things. "..." You did not comprehend my answer?: TiG @6.1.4:...
Feb 23 1:18am @6.1.4 A perfect example of why people do not play your game of labels.   Who would accept a label knowing that you will only try to use it stereotypically to trap or badger?    "..." Show me the...
Feb 22 7:30pm @3.1.21 Just because some human being writes his position down does not make it correct.   Further, katrix has done nothing to prevent discussion of world views.  She has simply declined to answer your...
Feb 22 10:57am @3.1.17 Cal, most people do not describe themselves with a label or labels.   The main reason for this is that labels are necessarily stereotypes.  They do not accurately represent the individual....
Feb 21 7:20pm @4.1.1 "..." Where does one go to get absolute knowledge, truth or morality? Could we get a list of the absolute morality rules? How does one determine that these are indeed absolute?
Feb 21 3:22pm @3.1.8 "..." First, why you think people hold life to be random?   If the universe truly does operate on natural laws (approximated naively by our current understanding of physics) then life would be a...
More Than 1,000 Ph.D. Scientists Are 'Skeptical' of Darwinian Evolution

More Than 1,000 Ph.D. Scientists Are 'Skeptical' of Darwinian Evolution


Via: Keep America Great!  •  243 comments  •  an hour ago
On the 210th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birthday, the Discovery Institute is going public with a list of more than 1,000 Ph.D. scientists who declared their skepticism toward Darwin's mechanism for evolution: natural selection acting on random mutation. This mechanism is the centerpiece of Neodarwinism, the current but eroding consensus on how evolution took place. "We are...
Feb 23 5:59pm @7.1.83 "..." You do yourself a great disservice then by self-labeling as a Young Earth Creationist.   YECs would not consider you to be one of them (good for you!). But bad for you in the denial of...
Feb 23 4:49pm @7.1.73 Then you disagree with Young Earth Creationism.   YEC abuses science in a pathetic attempt to argue that nothing -including the raw material of the planet- is older than ~10,000 years.   They...
Feb 22 4:09pm @7.1.22 Fascinating stuff.   Then his is a complete misunderstanding of Young Earth Creationism.   YECs are biblical literalists who hold (per Archbishop Ussher's analysis) that the Earth (and, indeed, the...
Feb 22 3:43pm @7.1.19 "..." One cannot be both a Young Earth Creationist and an Old Earth Creationist.    
Feb 22 1:43pm @6.1.10 "..." I think it is more the YEC belief.   YEC's biggest initiative is the (ultimately futile) attempt to discredit evolution because it flat out contradicts their literal interpretation of the...
Feb 22 11:10am @1.1.19 "..." The Discovery Institute IS Intelligent Design.   Hello? Here is a mnemonic device for you:  Intelligent Design ⟹ I. D. ⟹ D. I. ⟹ Discovery Institute
Feb 22 1:24am @7.1.9 Yes, that is true.   He was (it would seem) a brilliant surgeon.   What about my comment confused you?   Put it this way, as a surgeon he had a track record that one could use to judge his ability...
Feb 21 11:05pm @7.1.7 All I needed to know about Dr. Carson was his YEC beliefs.  One who can operate at that level of willful ignorance is not someone I would want to see in a position of power.   Alas ...
Feb 21 10:52pm @1.3.8 Stupid too since eyewitness accounts are among the worst forms of evidence.   Does not even qualify as evidence in the realm of science.
Feb 21 10:21pm @1.3.6 The YECs would call your quote bullshit because there are no eyewitness accounts.
Feb 21 10:00pm @7.1.4 "..." In reality it is take the demonstrated scientific findings based on over 150 years of research and mountains of evidence over unevidenced and demonstrably errant words that were  written...
Feb 21 9:50pm @3.1.14 "..." By 'we' you are not speaking for Christians in general.   Better to be clear and note that by 'we' you are referring to Young Earth Creationists. Christians generally do accept evolution:...
Feb 21 5:28pm @7.1.1 Okay.   Find a survey of working scientists in evolutionary biology and let's see what percentage of them deny the foundation of the science they study. "..." Illustrates that intelligence is...
Feb 21 4:31pm @3.1.7 "..." First, how on Earth could you possibly know this? Second, if God wants everyone to believe His claim to be our creator He has quite a few more convincing options than to write stories in...
Feb 21 3:40pm @2.1.9 For some Christians it flies in the face of man being directly created by God.    But I suspect most Christians accept evolution nowadays.    For Young Earth Creationists the problem is simple -...
Feb 21 3:37pm @1.2.5 You label evolution - the foundation of modern biology - as 'pseudoscience' and then label the nonsense of YEC as genuine science.   I have no sympathy for the backlash that brings.   It is a...
Feb 21 3:15pm @7 There is no hope for those who simply look for ways to support a belief rather than form a belief based upon quality evidence.   No hope. KAG, you post a seed that, in effect, claims 0.014% of...
The Talk Is Done — Time To Build The Border Wall

The Talk Is Done — Time To Build The Border Wall


Via: Keep America Great!  •  244 comments  •  18 hours ago
Border Wall:   After President Donald Trump said Thursday he'll sign the budget deal, he ended the possibility of a second government shutdown. Now, for part two of this saga: the declaration of an emergency to build the border wall Trump promised to Americans. We urged him to take that step before the deal had been struck. We did so because the deal actually includes Democrats agreeing...
Feb 20 10:41pm @1.1.25 "..." I am against the games played in Congress too. "..." Agreed.   Long time ago.   I have been disgusted with Congress for decades.
Feb 20 10:38pm @1.1.24 "..." Absolutely.   Our federal politicians continue to be entirely irresponsible regarding border security and immigration practices in general.   My comment is on Trump's declaration of an...
Feb 20 5:27pm @1.1.21 "..." Because it is a long-standing problem that Congress has debated for decades.   Declaring a national emergency for political expedience is an abuse of power. "..." We are a...
Feb 20 4:39pm @1.1.19 Certainly at least abuse of power.   This is a trend amount PotUS' that seems to be growing worse.
Feb 16 6:56pm @2.1.14 "..." We are a representative democracy.   It is true that we are not a direct democracy. We are also a republic.  In fact we are a federal constitutional republic based on a system of...
Feb 16 11:57am @2.1.11 He was responding to an event and he did not declare a national emergency. If a similar event occurs now, Trump can also marshal federal forces to deal with the event. Do you not see the...
Feb 16 11:49am @1.1.15 It is not a national emergency: "..." The intent is not for an irresponsible PotUS to simply declare something an emergency.   It is set up to provide the PotUS with expeditious powers to react...
Feb 16 1:07am @1.1.2 It is not an emergency.   It is a long-standing problem (one of many by the way) whose solution is way overdue.   Declaring this an emergency is an abuse of power.
Feb 15 11:51pm @1.1 It is not an emergency.   This is an abuse of power. I am very much in favor of having a secured border and legal immigration (planned and controlled for the best interests of our nation).    But...
Bernie Is Running, Thank God

Bernie Is Running, Thank God


Via: Bob Nelson  •  108 comments  •  3 days ago
It’s finally happening. Bernie Sanders just announced that he’ll be running for president again. Judging from its early entrants, the politics of this upcoming Democratic presidential primary will be the most progressive in decades. All of the confirmed contenders claim to support Medicare for All, for example — an idea that most in the party ignored or outright rejected as recently...
Feb 20 10:28pm @4.1.49 "..." I am not predicting either.   After the candidates available to us in 2016 who knows who might be the next PotUS. "..." That of course is a simplistic sound-bite.   Sanders has some...
Feb 20 6:52pm @4.1.12 I do not expect to see a president Sanders, but the more problems that can be addressed largely with communication (information) the better.   The PotUS does have the most impressive podium around...
Feb 20 6:36pm @4.1.9 Of course not.  You would not want any disruptive '-ism' by any definition.   You want your business to continue unchanged.   And that is a perfectly reasonable thing to desire and to expect since...
Feb 20 6:29pm @4.1.8 "..." If that is the case then a President Sanders could do a bang up job in this one dimension on a rather low budget.
Feb 20 4:15pm @4.1.1 "..." I was referring to the shifting of the balance of economic power in the USA.   That, in the large, is Bernie's ultimate objective.   He seems to think that as PotUS he would be able to...
Feb 20 12:26pm @4 Bernie wants to start shifting the balance of economic power in the USA.   Trouble is, the only way he could possibly achieve this change in the short term (which is the duration in which he is...
Aspiration Versus Individualization----Two Competing Views On Our Nation's Future

Aspiration Versus Individualization----Two Competing Views On Our Nation's Future


By: DocPhil  •  119 comments  •  3 days ago
Our national divide has evolved over the past twenty five to thirty years. The fissures that separate us are expanding and deepening. It is almost as if we are two nations battling over the land we share and which we are all interdependent upon. We battle over policy; we demean one another on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity; we even place "derogatory: labels on each other. In the...
Feb 20 6:27pm @5.1.63 It is what it is, right?  
Feb 20 5:39pm @5.1.61 "..." I am convinced that most people do not purposely misunderstand the concept.   They just do not try;  they do not invest any time in research.   They accept with little question the...
Feb 20 4:56pm @5.1.59 No argument, but my point really was on what constitutes 'socialism'.  The operative question of course is: What are the defining characteristics of socialism?    'Socialism' is so overloaded...
Feb 20 4:24pm @5.1.57 "..." That is not socialism nor are the mentioned services constructs of socialism any more than they are constructs of capitalism.   The presence of public services is not a defining...
Feb 19 7:59pm @5.1.53 "..." It does not even matter what I wrote 6 months ago in my article where I clearly lay out my position.   Well before this interchange even took place.   Hard to imagine better proof.   But,...
Feb 19 7:53pm @5.1.52 Now we see the very best you can muster.    I just delivered proof of my position going back 6 months and rather than acknowledge your mistake you ignored every point.  Worse, you actually spent...
Feb 19 2:25pm @5.1.48 "..." They should remember.   I wish people did accurately remember.   But clearly you are one whose memory has been 'adjusted' with your own views.    Calling your bluff, here is the basic...
Feb 18 7:36pm @6.1.23 I agree.
Feb 18 5:30pm @5.1.45 "..." Happens quite a bit on forums for a variety of reasons ranging from honest inability to comprehend to trolling. I find that my patience is a function of the intelligence I perceive.   The...
Feb 18 4:52pm @6.1.21 Innate rights are a function of each authority?   What are considered innate rates by one authority might be different than the innate rights under another?
Feb 18 4:44pm @5.1.43 "..." It would not be so obnoxious if it were simply misreading what I wrote.   I have quite a bit of patience and will certainly take the time to explain my position in various ways.   But to...
Feb 18 4:11pm @6.1.19 Nerm, my question ... "..." ... is serious.
Feb 18 4:09pm @5.1.41 "..." Gotta agree Bob.   Jack is demonstrating this perfectly.    "..." I strongly suspect this is not a result of ignorance;  seems more like deliberate obnoxious quipping to me.    In...
Feb 18 4:04pm @5.1.40 "..." Since I have even in this thread repeatedly stated that I explain socialism rather than advocate it (if I were to advocate a system we would have to be talking about a specific system - not...
Feb 18 3:57pm @5.1.39 "..." Agreed.   You are the one stubbornly and repeatedly claiming that I am advocating my own utopic system.   Repeating:  I advocate people to do research on the subject matter and not simply...
Feb 18 3:48pm @5.2.7 "..." I wrote no such thing!   I state that current society thinks and operates differently (culture, work-ethic, etc.) than what is needed for socialism to work.   And it would not be adoption...
Feb 18 12:54pm @5.1.32 And there exist myriad theoretical approaches for how that principle might be realized. If people could just grasp the idea that distributed economic control by the demos is a defining...
Feb 18 12:49pm @5.1.31 "..." Claiming that I am promoting ‘my’ model of socialism illustrates that you ignore what I write and simply make obnoxious claims.  Do some research Jack. "..." Exactly!   And apparently...
Feb 18 12:40pm @5.1.30 "..." Pretty much my main point, Jack.   If you read my comments on this subject, I routinely advocate people to do research rather than simply accept what others claim. I do this precisely...
Feb 18 11:29am @5.2.5 "..." I take exception to the label 'utopian' because I do not present socialism as a utopia.   My purpose is to encourage people to do some research before tossing about the label socialism...
Feb 18 11:09am @5.1.26 One cannot understand socialism by blending anecdotal information.   That is what causes people to come up with the confused notion that socialism is: redistribution of wealth authoritarian rule...
Feb 18 12:37am @6.1.15 "..." In lieu of a distinguished, known higher authority to inform us, how do we (human beings) know which rights are innate?
Feb 15 6:34pm @5.1.21 "..." I was not making a comment on this particular event, but in general.  I rarely see you opine on socialism and never to any depth.    
Feb 15 6:17pm @5.4.2 Happy to hear that.   Welcome to the minority. 
Feb 15 5:43pm @5.1.19 Understood.   I have concluded a while back that you have given up trying to explain socialism in online forums.
Feb 15 5:39pm @5.4 Well, thanks. But if someone seriously wants to learn about socialism at its core as well as current theoretical work then they should engage Dignitatem Societatis. However, Dig will not be as...
Feb 15 5:23pm @5.2.3 "..." There is quite a difference between stating a conclusion and making an admission. But it is a fact that socialism remains purely theoretical at the national level.   Pockets of...
Feb 15 5:19pm @5.1.17 From personal experience, Jack has a very wide range of meaning for the term 'socialism' (slogan level) so you would have to be willing to pin down a specific usage of the term.
Worthless Elkhart Police

Worthless Elkhart Police


By: ghostlybear  •  7 comments  •  6 hours ago
The Worthless Elkhart Police My wife friend was named a suspect in stolen checks The Elkhart Police thought her body shape was same as lady that stole the checks She lost her job and the South Bend police contacted her with a picture The picture looked nothing like her the suspect looks like she missing teeth Thanks for ruing her life, Barney from May Berry could of done a...
Feb 19 3:24pm @2 Did they clear her or is this ongoing?
Epitaph Words

Epitaph Words


By: Enoch  •  70 comments  •  5 days ago
On the Israeli TV series, Shteisel the matchmaker, Rabbi Kenisberg has a coding function in his matchmaking notebook. For Rabbi Shulem Shteisel he has the words, "Smoker" and "Eater" (Glutton) to indicate who the person is and what are their major characteristics. These words hurt Rabbi Shteisel. He feels there are other accurate and more important things about him than his smoking...
Feb 18 1:15am @9.1.2 How about ...  'I am feeling better'
Feb 17 11:34pm @6.2.3 I was being optimistic. 
Feb 17 6:04pm @6.2 'Not banned, just suspended'
A Terrifying Number Of Trump Supporters Believe God Made Him President

A Terrifying Number Of Trump Supporters Believe God Made Him President


Via: Don Overton  •  203 comments  •  6 days ago  •  LOCKED
According to a   brand new Fox News poll , 55 percent of white Evangelical Christians – one of Trump’s strongest voting blocs – believe God wanted this president to beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. Overall, 25 percent – still a scary number – believe a higher being favored a Trump presidency. A combined 76 percent say they either don’t believe or are unsure of whether God made...
Feb 17 12:36pm @2.2.105 "..." Demonstrably now, no matter what is written you return with the same platitude.   Obviously no reading is taking place on your end. What is the philosophical burden of proof?     Does it...
Feb 17 11:33am @2.2.102 "..." What is the accusation that was made?
Feb 17 11:21am @2.2.101 Clearly, you did not even read the discussion.    If you had you would see that I was arguing that the burden of proof applies to any claim and that both 'God exists' and 'God does not exist' bear...
Feb 16 6:53pm @2.2.97 Your own doing.
Feb 16 6:14pm @2.2.95 "..." Claiming 'God exists' is invalid (I take your meaning to be 'incorrect') is equivalent to making the claim 'God does not exist'.   That bears the burden of proof too.  Noting that the claim...
Feb 16 5:15pm @2.2.93 "..." Explained this.   You are being petty. "..." Read what I wrote.   I explained this.   You are ignoring what I write and simply arguing.  To what end? "..." It is your right to...
Feb 16 3:25pm @2.2.91 Funny thing about religion and politics, solid evidence and good reasoning is not necessarily required for someone to hold extremely strong views — even to the point of certainty.
Feb 16 2:50pm @2.2.89 "..." You argue with everything?   The reason for the change is what I stated:  I changed the sense to something that I would challenge.   That way the challenge makes sense.   Good grief Drakk....
Feb 16 11:59am @2.2.78 "..." You did not ask a yes | no question.   Buy a vowel. 
Feb 16 11:38am @2.2.75 "..." One who does not belief in God necessarily does not believe that God allows anything.   I could discuss the evil deeds of Darth Vader - do you think that means I believe he actually exists?...
Feb 16 11:26am @2.2.73 "..." Then on what grounds do you hold the belief that God appoints the leaders of all nations (throughout history) and including, notably, Trump?
Feb 16 11:24am @2.2.72 "..." Then why does God allow people to do horrible things to innocent people?  Why does God NOT stop the pedophile from raping and murdering a little girl?   Why does God allow such brutality on...
Feb 16 11:18am @2.2.70 "..." Let's change that to something I would challenge.   If you claim that pedophilia is right (i.e. moral) then you have the burden of proof. "..." Show me where I have ever demanded proof...
Feb 16 2:58am @2.2.63 "..." Yes.   The concept of free will would be severely limited if it only meant the ability to disobey God.   It is a redefinition of a common term.   Oxford on 'free will':  "The power of...
Feb 16 2:42am @2.2.62 "..." I would advise you to not question whether murderous pedophilia is wrong to try to shore up your argument.    "..." True.  But it does apply when someone makes a claim.   If you claim X...
Feb 16 2:01am @2.2.59 "..." Free will is not intended to allow us to make mistakes and learn from same?    What now is the purpose for free will?   And, accordingly, what is the explanation for why God allows bad...
Feb 16 1:15am @2.2.57 As an aside, the USA electorate choosing Clinton and Trump as our candidates for PotUS might be seen as evidence that God is clearly NOT picking our leaders. 
Feb 16 1:05am @2.2.56 "..." This is some rather vague commentary Drakk.   What do you mean by: 'on some level, they know it doesn't apply'.
Feb 16 1:03am @2.2.55 "..." Note that we are talking about free will as that which is granted by God.   The premise is that God purposely grants free will so that human beings are free to learn from their mistakes....
Feb 15 11:39pm @2.2.50 Both sides in a debate can justifiably claim they are wasting their time.   It is easy to find justification for such a claim:  if one is debating to change the mind of the other side then they are...
Feb 15 11:29pm @2.2.48 "..." Understood; and I fully accept that you would not know how God does it.   Do you at least assert that God does something to put a nation's leader in power? Assuming you agree, then if the...
Feb 15 8:56pm @2.2.41 "..." What does it mean for God to work through people?   Are you suggesting that God influences people to vote so that His choice for leader wins the election?
Feb 15 8:42pm @2.2.39 "..." If God chooses a nation's leader then voting for a leader is an act of futility. You agree with that language, right?
Feb 15 6:45pm @2.2.29 You understand the notion of spirit of free will yet you are still going to totally ignore Gordy's point by sticking to a mechanical definition of free will?    How about this paraphrase?: That...
Feb 15 6:36pm @12.1 ( Hi Suz! )
Feb 15 6:29pm @2.2.27 "..." Note how I (carefully) phrased my question (since I knew what your answer would be): "..." Gordy is not stating that people are unable to decide on a candidate and then cast a (totally...
Feb 15 6:06pm @2.2.23 If God makes your vote an act of futility, is that really the spirit of free will?   
Feb 15 3:36pm @2.2.17 You need someone to acknowledge that not everyone considers Trump an embarrassment?   I gave you my opinion and you need me to also stipulate that others would not share my opinion??
Feb 15 3:28pm @2.2.15 Brilliant deduction.
Feb 15 1:51pm @2.1.26 It is all rationalized katrix.  I am not sure how one does this, but plenty do.   No matter what God does the act is deemed to be perfect and good.   The major rationalization is that we are too...
Feb 15 1:49pm @2.2.9 2016 presented the worst PotUS choice I have seen in my life.    It was a lose-lose proposition.
Feb 15 1:30pm @2.1.21 "..." ( actually some do indeed make that claim )
Feb 15 1:29pm @2.2.5 "..." No, some members of NT believe that God puts ALL the world leaders in power.
Feb 15 1:26pm @2.2.4 'Terrifying' is not the appropriate word for me.   I find Trump to be an embarrassment.     Here is the deal, Tex.   The PotUS is limited by the checks & balances (as well as by partisan...
Feb 15 11:07am @2.2 "..." Quite true.   Indeed you will also find here on NT the belief that God appoints all the world's leaders (this is based on the Bible of course).
Why there is almost certainly no God

Why there is almost certainly no God


By: Gordy327  •  292 comments  •  6 days ago
When people hear of God, they probably think of the Abrahamistic deity of the monotheistic religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Regardless of one's religious affiliation and/or beliefs, adherents believe there is one God as being a supreme deity or grandest possible entity, ect.. While people can believe in whatever they want, many espouse their belief in God as factual or true. Of...
Feb 17 1:39am @1.1.7 Given that assessment, I will not be asking you for recommendations of well-reasoned articles.
Feb 16 6:04pm @1.1.4 "..." Spot on.
Feb 16 5:55pm @1.1.2 "..." Feel free to make an argument.
Feb 14 11:13am @11.2.4 Besides I would much prefer to be without a supreme entity rather than have the god of the Bible as our uber-lord.
Feb 14 11:00am @11.2.2 Understood.   Just putting a positive note on it.   While we have no evidence that there is a supreme being who has our back, our lives still have plenty of meaning.   Some people claim that life...
Feb 13 10:42pm @9.2.124 Remember how this started: "..." I outlined a way for us to provide examples @9.2.108 but, given your excuses, clearly you do not want to get specific so as to get real answers. And that is...
Feb 13 9:07pm @11.2 I agree except for the alone sentiment.   We have each other and the generations to come and that is what gives our lives meaning.
Feb 13 10:55am @9.2.119 ... at least on matters of God.
Feb 13 10:49am @9.2.117 "..." ... that cannot be shown to be anything more than the writing of ancient men with pens and agendas. "..." If someone literally raised someone from the dead (after we verified the person...
Feb 13 1:34am @9.2.115 Here is another example of evidence.  Let's focus on the attribute of omniscience. Evidence for omniscience seems easy to come by.   For example, an omniscient entity would be able to tell us the...
Feb 13 1:21am @9.2.114 You ask a question yet refuse to get specific to enable the question to be answered.   What is anyone supposed to do with that? "..." How is the 'god' referenced by 'he' defined?   Unless we can...
Feb 13 1:08am @9.2.112 I do not recall you asking me to do this, but I am willing to do so.   Indeed I sort of did it by example.   But forget that. Step 1 is to define what we mean by God.   I suspect by 'God' you mean...
Feb 12 2:24pm @9.2.108 Here is a way to do this Tacos! Define God (get an agreement on the definition) Agree on the standard of evidence Enumerate various experiments that could yield suitable evidence For Example...
Feb 11 6:49pm @9.2.101 We have (for a while now) been at the predictable stage where the opposing view ceases even the pretense of debate ... just petty disagreement.
Feb 10 8:16pm @9.2.99 "..." Very revealing.   You just demonstrated that you did not even read my post.   You are rebutting without even bothering to comprehend what the other person wrote. Yes, Tacos!, as I noted:...
Feb 10 8:09pm @9.2.98 "..." I clearly wrote philosophical burden of proof (repeatedly) because I am not and never was speaking of the legal burden of proof.   To be precise, even on the legal angle you took, your...
Feb 10 6:15pm @9.2.94 "..." No it is not.   Gordy is giving an example of a well-conceived, well-defined standard of evidence that has been demonstrated to be highly effective by a worldwide community — the scientific...
Feb 10 2:31am @5.2.46 "..." A knowable future = deterministic reality = no choice
Feb 10 2:27am @5.2.45 "..." My guess is that you do not understand that if omniscience is possible then reality is deterministic.  If it is possible to know the future (regardless of who actually knows) then free will...
Feb 10 2:10am @9.2.75 If you consider mere words from a human being as evidence of existence then by your abysmal standard there is evidence for anything that can be imagined — just need to have some human beings state...
Feb 10 1:55am @9.2.74 "..." Amazing.   You admit to not even be aware of the well known philosophical concept of burden of proof.   Yet even when you recognize this clear gap in basic information you refuse to consult...
Feb 09 8:01pm @9.2.61 That is what I figured.   You know that people claim UFO abduction, God’s like Zeus, leprechauns, etc.   All evidence, eh?
Feb 09 7:59pm @9.2.60 Are you admitting that you are unaware of the philosophical concept known as burden of proof?  Are you also unaware of propositional logic, the criteria for a valid and sound argument, the common...
Feb 09 7:53pm @9.2.57 "..." Other than unsubstantiated claims by human beings, what evidence do you have in mind?
Feb 09 7:35pm @9.2.55 "..." You are unfamiliar with the philosophical burden of proof?   Here is my article on it:  Burden of Proof.   Wikipedia even offers a basic primer on the concept of burden of proof.   "..."...
Feb 09 6:48pm @5.2.41 "..." So you agree with the logic.  Good. And the consequence of your 'God knew Adam & Eve would disobey Him so He was not disappointed' is that God set Adam & Eve up to fail.   As I...
Feb 09 6:43pm @5.2.40 "..." Are you going to argue about everything?   I purposely pointed to my answer. "..." Do you actually think you know what I mean to say better than I do?    That explains this nonsense...
Feb 09 4:35pm @5.2.37 "..." Kind of my point Drakk.   John is arguing something I did not posit.  Although I am quite surprised that you tacitly agree with my conclusion: "..."
Feb 09 4:32pm @5.2.36 The opening paragraph of my post:   "..." Now compare this with your paraphrase: "..." Why were you motivated to paraphrase when your question virtually matches what I wrote?   Why not just...
Feb 09 2:53pm @9.2.50 They are rules of debate; not my rules.  And I do bear the burden of proof for my claim of your fabrications. But I am here to debate / discuss the topic or at least something near it.  Proving...
Feb 09 2:00pm @9.2.48 "..." Debate your fabrication?   True, I am not going to debate fabrications.
Feb 09 1:42pm @5.2.33 "..." On this point I am saying that an omniscient entity cannot be disappointed.   Now, here is the key ....  That is a logical contradiction in the definition of the character.   The...
Feb 09 1:25pm @9.2.43 Good grief Tacos!   Instead of engaging in debate you run to the sidelines and complain.    This is an online forum.   A debate consists of people posting to each other.   The individual posters...
Feb 09 1:19pm @5.2.31 "..." Again, you claim that which I have not posited. I have not claimed that Genesis proves there is no god or even brings forth evidence that there is no god.   Why do you refuse to read what...
Feb 09 1:04pm @5.2.28 "..." No.   I am arguing that God created Adam, Eve and the serpent, Eden (the entire scene) knowing (taking your hypothesis) that Adam & Eve would disobey Him.   So since God set up the...
Feb 09 11:18am @9.2.36 "..." You and I are discussing burden of proof.   You knew that, right? "..." Look, you can even go to Wikipedia to get a basic primer on the concept of burden of proof.    Best you read on...
Feb 09 11:11am @9.2.32 "..." You are now on an entirely different topic. "..." You should read up on the burden or proof for yourself.   You should be familiar with this concept if you plan to make claims of...
Feb 09 11:07am @9.2.30 "..." Then you do not understand debate.
Feb 09 10:58am @9.2.26 "..." A law?   Like in legislation? Are you truly unaware of the principle of burden of proof?   Never heard of it?   Totally foreign idea?
Feb 09 10:56am @9.2.25 "..." That does not even make sense. "..." Correct.   See, that is how it works.   A claim of certainty bears the burden of proof.   My claim does indeed bear the burden of proof.   See?...
Feb 09 10:45am @9.2.22 "..." A certain claim bears the burden of proof / evidence.    This is debate 101. "..." Does not matter.  If you articulate a certain claim (of anything) in a public forum, that claim comes...
Feb 09 10:31am @5.2.26 Here is how the debate ended before you ran about on other posts complaining of unfair treatment.  Complaining that you were ignored.    I submit the near line-by-line response of mine @5.2.24 as...
Feb 09 10:24am @9.2.20 "..." If someone makes a claim - especially one as grand as 'God exists' - then that claim bears the burden of proof / evidence.    You are complaining that someone challenges you to provide...
Feb 09 10:21am @9.2.19 "..." What if your explanation does not actually show why the conclusion is wrong.   What if your explanation simply denies the conclusion and supports it with a mere story?   It is one thing to...
Feb 09 10:05am @7.2.19 "..." Given I offered a near line-by-line response to your posts, quoting you at every step, your claim that I ignored what you wrote is demonstrably false. In summary (summary: meaning not...
Feb 09 9:54am @7.2.18 You are stooping to compare an 'inerrant' Bible whose words are ostensibly carefully crafted with deep meaning to a post on a forum which did not have a perfect sentence structure.   Katrix'...
Feb 09 2:54am @5.2.24 "..." I usually quote the scripture.   Your explanations often contradict the actual words.  "..." The fact that you read something different than the actual words is glaringly obvious....
Feb 09 1:33am @9.2.13 I see — the actual debate content ceases to be relevant;  time is instead spent on various forms of diversions.   This is what typically happens in religious debates. Okay, Tacos!, I get it.  Later.
Feb 09 1:28am @5.2.20 "..." Is the Allah character of the Qur'an 'god'?   Is the Qur'an divine?   Is it too the word of God? To Muslims, Jesus (who predated Islam by centuries) was an ordinary man - a prophet like...
Feb 09 12:55am @9.2.10 In case you forgot, in the actual debate my last comment was:  TiG @9.1.2 You have not responded.   Do have anything to say on the content itself?
Feb 09 12:10am @9.2.9 Make a comment on the actual debate.
Feb 09 12:07am @9.2.7 And I have already explained this to you.   Which makes it even worse that you keep spinning. My comment was about my history of religious debates.   Gordy @5.2.4 opened a commentary on religious...
Feb 08 11:55pm @5.2.19 "..." God knew.   So what is the point of watching Adam & Eve fail since God knew all along what was going to happen?    Omniscient God sets up His naïve creations for failure.   A...
Feb 08 11:44pm @5.2.18 "..." Your explanation is simply:  God was not surprised because He knew what Adam and Eve had done.   So God knew what was going to happen.    God created Adam, Eve and the serpent and then...
Feb 08 11:38pm @5.2.17 "..." If you quote me then it is best to not change the meaning of the words you quoted.    Delivering a quote does not give you license to spin. Got anything to say on the actual content of the...
Feb 08 11:30pm @5.2.16 "..." No.   That is not an example of my point. "..." What I do all the time is point out what the Bible says.   What remains fascinating is how some can actually not see the contradictions...
Feb 08 11:13pm @9.2.5 "..." I have not made any comment regarding your honesty.    Although you are demonstrating the point I made to Gordy.   As soon as a strong challenge appears the focus veers from the content...
Feb 08 7:20pm @9.1.2 "..." Ask Gordy if he thinks I am preventing him from opining. "..." I think that is what you did.    "..." His point was that we should disregard the Bible as proof of God.   So we agree...
Feb 08 6:00pm @5.2.11 "..." See Tacos! here you are telling Gordy what he thinks.   The man has clearly stated that he does not consider his views infallible yet you are arguing with him about that. Instead of...
Feb 08 5:55pm @5.2.10 Summarizing years of general experience in religious debates is not an ad hominem attack.   And I am confident you are quite aware of that. And my debates focus on the content.   Unfortunately I...
Feb 08 5:05pm @5.2.5 Agreed.   Trouble with these 'debates' is that one side often resorts to seeking some angle in which to declare a flaw - even if the flaw is generated by purposely misreading ambiguous language....
Feb 08 3:44pm @9.1 "..." Which was his point. "..." None of this corroborates biblical divinity.   Again, that was Gordy's point.     "..." Yes it does depend on how it is used.  And Gordy illustrated a...
Feb 08 1:57pm @5.2.2 That is his conclusion.   He stated that he does not claim that his conclusion is truth and accepts the possibility of being wrong. Do you acknowledge that your god might not exist?
Feb 08 12:17pm @7.2.9 You seem perfectly adept at ignoring the explanation I just provided.    You even called this an 'outlandish statement'.   That should have been your first clue that you were reading her words...
Feb 08 12:05pm @7.2.6 You know perfectly well that Katrix did not state that religious fanatics call their god an 'egotistical dick'.   The religious fanatics she refers to claim their god will condemn non-believers to...
Feb 07 12:50pm @1.4.1 Well it is about time you show up.   You have had people running about for thousands of years creating all sorts of characters to represent you and spinning many tales of your exploits.  Worse,...
Feb 07 11:08am @1.3.3 "..." Clearly you did not.    "..." The God character is a contradiction.  That does not mean there is no god, just that the God of the Bible (the character) is impossible  (as defined) and...
Feb 06 8:25pm @4.1 Archie got it backwards.   They put their clothes on after eating the apple. But Archie's line reads funny so it makes for better TV ...
Feb 06 8:17pm @1.3.1 "..."  Now you completely miss the point.   Breaking down the obvious ... An entity that is omniscient knows everything To be surprised, one must acquire information that was not expected (and...
Feb 06 8:13pm @1.2.1 "..." The very first paragraph of my comment: "..." Your opening comment is a strawman argument that blindly ignores my opening paragraph.   Hello?
Feb 06 4:56pm @1 A creator of the universe might exist.   There is nothing logically or factually that shows it impossible for our universe to be the creation of a sentient entity.   And it is quite likely that a...
The Health Case for High Cocoa Dark Chocolate in Moderation

The Health Case for High Cocoa Dark Chocolate in Moderation


By: Enoch  •  110 comments  •  5 days ago
High cocoa dark chocolate (any amount at 72% or higher cocoa) is known to have at least the following five health benefits, if consumed in moderate quantities. 1. More bio flavanoids than blueberries. 2. Lowers blood pressure. 3. High in Fiber. 4. Lower in calories, fat and refined sugar than chocolates with less cocoa.     5. Oddly, helps those with diabetes mellitus types I...
Feb 17 12:27am @13.2 Try dark chocolate covered raisins (or the fruit of choice).
Feb 17 12:25am @11.2.2 Espresso with unsweetened almond milk in the morning,  iced green tea (lightly sweetened with honey) during the day and red wine at the end of the day.   That is my basic routine. When I eat...
World's first 'floating tunnel' proposed in Norway

World's first 'floating tunnel' proposed in Norway


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  31 comments  •  one week ago
By   Denise Chow Steep, icy mountains and deep fjords make western Norway famously scenic, but they also make life difficult for motorists. With seven ferries along the way, the almost 700-mile trip between the cities of Kristiansand in the south and Trondheim in the north   typically runs about 21 hours   — at an average speed of about 30 miles an hour. But that could soon change. A...
Feb 16 1:21am @3 I certainly love when we can produce engineering feats that perfectly exploit the natural forces of nature.   This is the bridge building equivalent of solar energy.
Liberal Policies Always Expand To Central Government Controls

Liberal Policies Always Expand To Central Government Controls


Via: Keep America Great!  •  156 comments  •  one week ago
If there is a “right” to government healthcare and a “right” to tuition-free college, why is there no “right” to toilet paper, toothpaste, carrots and vitamin supplements? There is just as much need for the cleanliness of toilet paper and the nutritional value of carrots and vitamins as there is a need for government-provided higher education, and the need is more urgent for the carrots and...
Feb 14 12:59pm @2.1.58 Details ...
Feb 14 11:16am @2.1.49 At the singularity, infinity is the result of our knowledge of science falling apart.   Something was going on but science is entirely baffled by what.   Another opportunity to wedge in God.
Feb 14 11:06am @2.1.47 "..." Actually that is not the position of science.   The singularity is not literal nothing.   Rather it is a net zero energy state replete with particles and anti-particles but no clumps which...
The Problem of Induction - N+1 and Penguins

The Problem of Induction - N+1 and Penguins


By: Enoch  •  26 comments  •  one week ago
The following is a quotation about the problem of induction by Sextus Empiricus. "When they propose to establish the universal from the particulars by means of induction, they will effect this by a review of either all or some of the particulars. But if they review some, the induction will be insecure, since some of the particulars omitted in the induction may contravene the universal:...
Feb 14 12:13am @2 All categorization methods seek to cluster on common characteristics so as to distinguish items of interest.   In this case, the items of interest are birds. Thing is, we are constantly learning....
It's a 'theyby': How one Florida family is raising a gender-neutral child

It's a 'theyby': How one Florida family is raising a gender-neutral child


Via: Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη  •  57 comments  •  one week ago
Sparrow's parents decided to raise their baby without a known sex, giving Sparrow the option to choose gender free from stereotypes. ORLANDO, Fla. — Many parents find out the sex of their child before the baby is born.  Others opt for the surprise, waiting to hear, "it's a boy" or 'its a girl." However, some families are exploring another option by raising a "gender neutral" child....
Feb 13 11:48am @4 "..." Genitals, when binary (i.e. not a hermaphrodite) define the sex.   The vast majority of the time, sex matches gender identity.   In those cases where they do not, the child (as an adult)...
Judge Jeanine Pirro: Think socialism can never happen here? Just look at the left and the last 10 days

Judge Jeanine Pirro: Think socialism can never happen here? Just look at the left and the last 10 days


Via: Keep America Great!  •  120 comments  •  one week ago
We are reaching a turning point that will forever determine our future -- how we live our lives and how our children will live theirs.  The gap between the ever-widening left and right has never been wider, and yet amazingly it continues to widen. Every time we turn on a TV, open a laptop or listen to the radio, another bizarre, offbeat, outlandish idea brings us...
Feb 12 2:05pm @6.1.68 "..." Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word utopian:  "Modelled on or aiming for a state in which everything is perfect; idealistic." If this is news to you then you made an...
Feb 12 1:52pm @6.1.67 "..." You recognize that government controlling the means of production does not yield distributed economic control but you call this socialism nonetheless.   Per you socialism = government...
Feb 12 1:11pm @6.1.66 "..." By that reasoning, if the federal government expropriated the entire private sector you would consider that to be the people controlling the means of production. 
Feb 12 8:17am @6.1.55 Agreed.    Most every significant nation on the planet necessarily has public programs (albeit in quite varying degrees).   The presence of public services is certainly not socialism - if that...
Feb 12 8:13am @6.1.54 "..." Since when does the left or the right all agree on something?   Who would presume that?   We are talking general trends here.   Do you not recognize that the USA is currently a (weak)...
Feb 12 8:04am @6.1.53 "..." Well that is some very revealing nonsense.   Blindly labeling initiatives you dislike as 'socialism' is pointless.   Why bother with a label that is rendered meaningless with overloaded,...
Feb 12 7:50am @6.1.52 "..." Yes Jack.   It is a common misunderstanding to call expropriation of industry 'socialism'.    That simply shifts minority control.    It does not matter if the government is the minority...
Feb 12 7:46am @6.1.51 "..." State capitalism, fascism and 'socialism' ala the former USSR.   You may not like to hear it, but that cliche declaration illustrates that you have not researched this area. How do you...
Feb 12 2:47am @6.1.40 "..." The left wants to impose (more) social democracy.   Just crying 'socialism' does not mean anything.   There are well defined terms for bad ideas.  Why call everything 'socialism' and be...
Feb 12 2:19am @6.1.38 "..." Do some research Jack.   It gets old explaining something only to have someone claim this is just my opinion.   
Feb 12 2:18am @6.1.37 "..." I did not invent this Jack.   Calling this my utopia implies I created it and that I buy into it.   Given I have pointed out some of my reservations you should logically realize that I do...
Feb 12 12:12am @6.1.33 "..." Our current 'socialist' politicians are social democrats, liberals and/or statists.    Don't go by an overloaded label of 'socialism'; go by what they actually propose.
Feb 12 12:08am @6.1.32 "..." Labeling this as 'my utopia' tells me that you have not done any research in this area.   Why be obnoxious and mess up a good discussion? "..." And it is critical to understand what...
Feb 12 12:00am @6.1.30 "..." I think you just accidentally stumbled onto a partial understanding of socialism.    Indeed, socialism cannot work unless the people want it because it is the people who drive it....
Feb 11 11:43pm @6.1.28 "..." If one must be forced to be part of a system, it is not a socialist system either.    The label does not make the system. "..." The systems are theoretical.  But you can (as I noted)...
Feb 11 9:35pm @6.1.22 "..." Corruption is the result of any system Jack.   And the required conditions are not 'utterly perfect' - they are just different and unfamiliar.  I would not underestimate what our species...
Feb 11 8:48pm @6.1.18 "..." True.   The national systems that actually attempted distributed economic control quickly abandoned it and jumped to the other extreme.   Exemplar:  Leninism. There are some noble...
Feb 11 8:31pm @6.1.15 "..." A fact that seems to be ignored.
Feb 11 7:45pm @6.1.13 "..." Indeed, authoritarian government is the polar opposite of distributed economic control.
Feb 11 7:28pm @4.1.12 The meanings of these terms are established.   They are not personal opinion.   But even advocates such as Sanders and Cortez get it wrong.  They call themselves Democratic Socialists and then...
Feb 11 7:01pm @6.1.7 "..." I know what you meant, but people will read that the wrong way.   If it worked per the theory it would be substantially different than what we have.   For example, there would be a lot more...
Feb 11 6:56pm @6.1.6 "..." BF used the language 'alleging to adhere to'.   He is talking about States that engage in authoritarian practices while improperly calling their efforts 'socialism'.   Venezuela of course...
Feb 11 1:54pm @6.1.2 Authoritarian rule never works well for the people.   The trick of calling a system 'socialism' and hyping it up with grand promises as a smoke screen for instead building an all powerful State has...
Feb 11 1:44pm @6.1 Even before that, the more power is centralized the less the people can influence things (i.e. mitigate consolidation of power).   The State incrementally grows more powerful and always at the...
Feb 11 1:40pm @5.1.6 "..." Well if you simply label it 'socialism' you have not provided any information.   If you instead call it 'redistribution of wealth' or 'statism' or 'social democracy' or whatever...
Feb 11 11:32am @5.1.4 "..." No, I am encouraging people to learn and then use labels properly.    Think about that.   What would be my motivation to 'bait and switch'?     "..." Socialism is an economic system at...
Feb 11 1:32am @5.1.2 Venezuela is an extreme case of statism.   Shows how bad things can get - an all powerful state (government) is historically a nightmare for the people.
Feb 11 12:50am @5.1 What you call socialism is actually social democracy or, to be more generic, statism.
Feb 11 12:27am @4.1.1 What, specifically, about what you call 'socialism' concerns you the most?
Donald Trump Will Lie About Anything

Donald Trump Will Lie About Anything


By: JohnRussell  •  22 comments  •  2 weeks ago
The facts - Trump's Monday night rally in El Paso Texas had appx 6500 people inside (according to Fire Dept enforced building capacity) and perhaps 6- 12 thousand more outside watching on a big screen. Total 12,000 to 18,000. The counter rally down the street hosted by Beto O'Rourke had between 7000 to 15000 according to various estimates. For my purposes I will split the...
Feb 12 9:31am @1.1 Words so good ... you won't believe how good, trust me.
Like it or not, Mr. President, many Americans embrace democratic socialism

Like it or not, Mr. President, many Americans embrace democratic socialism


Via: Nerm_L  •  72 comments  •  2 weeks ago
(or Bipartisan Fear Mongering) Hmmm ...   Congressional politicians didn't seem to fear socialism when they bailed out Wall Street. It's true capitalism has been very, very good for political parties.  Politics has become a shining example of smash-and-grab capitalism.  The political parties certainly do not want to consider socialism.  Where's the money in that? The Presidential...
Feb 10 6:29pm @2.1.17 Likewise freewill.   Thanks for helping demonstrate thoughtful discourse.
Feb 10 6:08pm @2.1.15 "..." Specialists are always needed to do the deep analysis and put forth summary issues for debate.   The people in general would be directly involved in matters that are similar to those of a...
Feb 10 6:00pm @1.1.42 "..." Unfortunately I believe you are correct.
Feb 10 4:54pm @1.1.39 "..." The idea is typically that what is good for society is good for the individuals within the society.   The focus is not nationalistic or fascist where the goal truly is the betterment of the...
Feb 10 1:11pm @2.1.13 "..." If you have a system wherein everyone could, in effect, be a capitalist (have economic control) then you would find your capitalistic system meeting the fundamental defining characteristic...
Feb 10 1:01pm @1.1.36 "..." Laissez faire Capitalism does not address the problem of only those with access to capital have economic control. "..." Nothing stops a business from operating as a workplace democracy...
Feb 10 12:55pm @1.1.35 "..." Theoretically.   But you know as well as I that starting and then growing a business to viability is usually a tough gig.   It does not happen without capital and most people do not have...
Feb 09 4:45pm @2.1.11 "..." There is no exemplar.   No nation on the planet has evolved an economic system were economic control was distributed among the people. "..." Sure was.   The USSR, for example, was the...
Feb 09 3:52pm @2.1.8 "..." That is the analysis I stated.    "..." I fully agree.
Feb 09 12:34pm @1.1.21 "..." Demonstrably.   Although I suggest that no bona fide  system of socialism has ever come into existence - just the label.  To me, socialism is not in place unless the people have...
Feb 09 12:33am @1.1.17 "..." Totally agree.   The military is a government service.   All nations have governments and all governments provide services for the nation.   The military is not an economic system.
Feb 09 12:31am @1.1.16 "..." A mixed economy is logically possible (one might argue that Spain is making headway towards that).   But what people often call a mixed economy is the social democracies of the world....
Feb 09 12:23am @2.1.6 Marx lived in a time where revolution was both commonplace and effective.   So in that regard, people like Lenin (where Marx was long dead before his rise to power) might be oddly justified in...
Feb 09 12:15am @1.1.15 "..." One could read Nerm's words in different ways.   I read it the way you seem to have read it but decided not to go there - that is, I decided to not suggest that it was describing capitalism...
Feb 08 7:28pm @3.1.1 "..."
Feb 08 7:26pm @1.1.10 "..." Exactly!    People are confused about that routinely.   Cortez and Sanders, for example, have social democratic policies while claiming to be Democratic Socialists.   They should cease with...
Feb 08 6:44pm @2.1.3 Democratic socialism is a form of socialism.   It is a category containing specific variants (specific proposals). "..." Sounds like Venezuela.   They were sold 'socialism' and got authoritarian...
Feb 08 6:18pm @1.1.6 "..." Been good.    I recommend you check out NT groups.   You can create a group and as owner can administer it (with oversight from NT mods).   You can optionally promote articles within your...
Feb 08 6:16pm @2.1 "..." I suspect the super, super majority of Americans do not understand what Democratic Socialism is.
Feb 08 6:11pm @1.1.5 "..." I agree. "..." And the reason for that has been economic empowerment of the working class (as distinguished from the owner class aka proletariat vs. bourgeoisie). "..." I agree in...
Feb 08 6:03pm @1.1.3 Dean, I asked Nerm because I wanted to understand what he meant by the term.    You know that socialism is highly overloaded - a term with many incompatible usages.   Offering Reagan or anyone...
Feb 08 5:35pm @1.1 How do you, personally, define 'socialism' Nerm? By the way, welcome to NT!   
Reading Genesis From a Different PoV

Reading Genesis From a Different PoV


Via: DRHunk  •  47 comments  •  3 days ago
I saw the post of the bible being read from the Christian perspective so wanted to give a reading with a different perspective.  The Vidoes in this series get better as they go on but all the info and commentary is pretty interesting.
Feb 08 7:47pm @3.2.10 I do not follow.  Are you saying you do not think Islam consists of sects and denominations within sects with distinct interpretations?
Feb 08 12:43am @3.2.3 One thing that most everyone agrees on is that most everyone does not agree on how to interpret the Bible. The Jewish perspective, as noted by Perrie, is probably one or the more cohesive...
Planes, Cows and Cortez

Planes, Cows and Cortez


By: Vic Eldred  •  30 comments  •  2 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AKA Little Miss Space shot) has released an outline of her notorious plan, "the Green New Deal" , today. Rep Ed Markey (MA) will join her in introducing this nonbinding resolution in the House of Representatives today.  The proposal is somewhat radical, expansive and expensive (est 7 Trillion), though Ms Cortez dosen't mention cost, (nor does she concern...
Feb 08 3:55pm @11.1 That is the kind of statement that leads to dismissal of one's collected views.   Same as with liberals who freak on every misstep of Trump. Both ends of the spectrum would do themselves a solid...
Dr. Richard Ireland, Psychic Demonstration. Real . . . or Fake? (Steve Allen Show 1960)

Dr. Richard Ireland, Psychic Demonstration. Real . . . or Fake? (Steve Allen Show 1960)


Via: Krishna  •  33 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Richard Ireland demonstrates his psychic abilities on the Steve Allen Show in 1969.  During the show, Steve Allen, an ardent skeptic, even provides commentary to acknowledge the validity of Ireland's unusual capacity. Biographical information on Richard Ireland can be found in the newly released book, Soul Shift: Finding Where the Dead Go, written by his son Mark Ireland. Any...
Feb 08 3:48pm @5.1.13 I think you are correct Krishna.
Feb 07 8:57pm @5.1.11 It is a challenge on all these sites.   So many people do not actually read but rather 'sniff', get a hint, jump to a conclusion and post.   And then when in a debate, intellectual honesty...
Feb 06 10:53pm @5.1.8 "..." Lack of credible evidence. If psychic powers were true one would expect (by now) with all the claims of these powers that the existence of psychic powers would not even be in question....
Feb 06 9:21pm @5.1.5 "..." I stated that they might be real but that I am not convinced — I think it is unlikely they are real.
Feb 06 8:54pm @5.1 The famous ones are either real (not bloody likely; show me the money) or excellent mentalists.
Feb 03 11:27pm @3 Many mentalists (and magicians in general) put on some damn impressive shows.   Most of the time the audience has no clue how the magic was pulled off.    Here we cannot tell how he did this.   We...
Who is wiser, Spock or Yoda? An actual scientific study weighs in

Who is wiser, Spock or Yoda? An actual scientific study weighs in


Via: Buzz of the Orient  •  55 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Who is wiser, Spock or Yoda? An actual scientific study weighs in By Bryan Nelson, Mother Nature Network, January 30 2019 Yoda vs. Spock, who would win in a battle over wisdom? (Photo:  Lucasfilm, Wikimedia Commons / NBC Television, Wikimedia Commons ) It's the ultimate geek debate: "Star Trek" or "Star Wars"? Or, perhaps even more essential: Spock or Yoda? In a...
Feb 06 9:31pm @12 Seems to me Yoda exemplifies wisdom whereas Spock exemplifies knowledge (and logic).    But of course both characters are wise, knowledgeable and logical.
Almost 170 Days After John McCain Died, Donald Trump Takes Another Pot Shot at the Late Senator

Almost 170 Days After John McCain Died, Donald Trump Takes Another Pot Shot at the Late Senator


Via: Tessylo  •  11 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Almost 170 Days After John McCain Died, Donald Trump Takes Another Pot Shot at the Late Senator   Robyn Merrett, People   11 hours ago   Meghan McCain Accepts Human Rights Award on Behalf of Her Late Father President Donald Trump   has made another dig at the late Senator   John McCain . On Tuesday, Trump, 71, sat down for a...
Feb 06 11:40am @1.1 Trump is such a lovable guy.   No wonder everyone admires him.
Burden of Proof

Burden of Proof


By: TᵢG  •  268 comments  •  2 weeks ago
In debate, one often encounters the phrase ' burden of proof ' or ' burden of evidence '.   This will typically follow a claim by one of the debaters.    For example, one might claim:  ' Extraterrestrial life exists somewhere in our vast universe '.    While that claim seems reasonable given the unfathomable scale of our universe, it is a claim that bears the burden of proof.    But why is...
Feb 05 10:58pm @13.2 The article itself focuses on when the burden of proof applies; what constitutes proof was not addressed in the article.    Discussion did take us into various areas where we touched on...
Feb 05 3:59pm @5.1.80 Dulay and Nowhere Man  I suspect you both agree that your discussion has devolved to the point of no value.   Maybe a good time to break?
Feb 04 8:01pm @10.1.43 I do not think it is based so much on reasoning.   I suspect is it more confirming a belief that brings comfort.
Feb 04 7:59pm @10.1.42 My first reaction was:  'well, as we all know, people can believe pretty much anything'. By the end of the video, after watching his mannerisms and hearing him say absolutely nothing specific, I...
Feb 04 6:49pm @5.1.60 "..." Understandably. Problem is, logically challenging the factors of a belief system (as is done in debate) is routinely taken to be an attempt to destroy.   Not sure it is possible to have a...
Feb 04 3:08pm @1.1.54 I have no idea why you keep this going.   I stated my opinion in my original comment.   You, however, have continued this by putting words in my mouth. There is nothing to be gained by trying to...
Feb 04 2:19pm @1.1.50 "..." He might have been an atheist.   My impression is that he was a confused theist.   We do not know, and as I noted, the man is long dead and unable to answer questions.
Feb 04 2:13pm @1.1.48 Do you know more about katrix than she?   It is easy to see how you could read others wrong given what you are demonstrating here.
Feb 04 1:42pm @1.1.43 "..." Judging from your misrepresentation of what I am writing, your testimony of what you have read from others has little credibility with me at the moment. "..." Yes, I have concluded that...
Feb 04 1:30pm @1.1.42 "..." No, it was and remains my opinion.   Read what I write rather than invent words for me.  Here, I will make it easy for you, this is what I wrote upfront: TiG @1.1.21 - "..." How can...
Feb 04 1:13pm @1.1.38 "..." Why do you resort to putting incorrect words in my mouth?    If you cannot debate with intellectual honesty then what is the point?
Feb 04 1:10pm @11.1.9 Should you what?
Feb 04 12:58pm @1.1.36 "..." That is complete nonsense Drakk.   An atheist is one who does not believe in a god.   If you believe in a god then you are ipso facto NOT an atheist.   The individual does not get to decide...
Feb 04 12:19pm @1.1.31 Petty and pointless.    I will wait for a (hopefully serious) response to @1.1.27
Feb 04 11:01am @1.1.29 "..." You did not include the entire quote.   What you quoted misrepresented my thought. Dulay's comment was about the article itself.   Why am I explaining this extremely obvious fact to you...
Feb 04 10:52am @1.1.27 "..." One can call oneself an atheist even if one actually believes in a god.   The self-label would be semantically wrong because an atheist, by definition, does not believe in a a god....
Feb 04 10:26am @1.1.26 "..." You missed it because you cherry-picked rather than include my entire quote: "..." Pretty clear.
Feb 03 10:14pm @1.1.21 I understand why you mention Lewis.  C.S. Lewis strikes me as a confused theist who self-labeled as atheist (for a duration).  You probably disagree, but when someone speaks of being angry with God...
Feb 03 10:06pm @1.1.20 "..." I agree.  Yahweh as defined by the Bible is a logical contradiction.   A god might indeed exist, but the biblical character Yahweh logically does not.    This is based on the definition....
Feb 03 10:03pm @10.1.34 "..." A positive claim has been made:  'God exists'.   Over and over this claim is made.   For thousands of years passing through countless billions of believers.   Yet for what is likely the...
Feb 03 12:48pm @10.1.30 "..." Really?   On what authority do you make this odd declaration?   (You are not expressing this as an opinion; reads like a claim.) "..." Yes indeed.   In my way of thinking all gods are...
Feb 03 12:43pm @11.1.4 "..." No, John, I never ask someone to prove their belief.   (It gets old dealing with people who imagine what others write.)   I will ask for logic and evidence supporting a belief.   But there...
Feb 03 12:35pm @11.1.3 "..." The source of obvious example is debates about God.   The article, however, focuses on the concept of 'burden of proof'.   In other words, that is the concept I was focused on clarifying....
Feb 03 12:11pm @5.1.47 That despicable tree of knowledge.
Feb 03 12:03pm @11.1 "..." Then you missed the point.  This article is about the burden of proof in an argument.   I thought the quote I chose made that super clear: "..." If you declare 'X is true' then you have...
Feb 03 11:47am @10.1.26 Breaking it down: "..." In other words, it is impossible to falsify the hypothesis:  God exists.   It is impossible to falsify any hypothesis of the form:  'X' exists.   For example, it is...
Feb 02 3:38pm @10.1.23 "..." That way the Bible can be interpreted to suit the needs of the interpreter. "..." Answers In Genesis (Ken Ham) leads the charge there IMO.  A mix of allegory and science stems from...
Feb 01 11:26pm @1.1.15 "..." If I were to run across a gnostic atheist (what you call 'true') I would ask this: Is it possible that you might be wrong and that a sentient creator of the universe might exist? A lot of...
Feb 01 10:44pm @10.1.20 "..." I agree.   It is not proof that God does not exist.   But it makes a decent argument to question God's existence. God's existence would certainly be the most significant find ever....
Feb 01 10:38pm @10.1.19 "..." I agree in principle, but there are cases where logic can indeed prove a god false. It all boils down the the definition of God.   For example, take God as defined by the Bible.   That God...
Feb 01 10:30pm @10.1.18 "..." Spot on. 
Feb 01 10:27pm @9.1.8 "..." I see no way to disprove the existence of a creator entity.   The hypothesized existence of a creator is unfalsifiable. However, logically, the non-existence of God is falsifiable — it can...
Feb 01 10:04pm @7.2.2 Throughout history human beings have deemed the unexplained to be the work of god(s).   It is what we do. 
Feb 01 9:52pm @5.1.33 Although I do not see it exactly that way, I agree with your basic premise.   I think it is more a fear of losing the comfort of the belief.  
Mary Poppins branded racist by US academic - for 'blacking up' in iconic sweeps' rooftop scene

Mary Poppins branded racist by US academic - for 'blacking up' in iconic sweeps' rooftop scene


Via: Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη  •  74 comments  •  3 weeks ago
Dame Julie Andrews’ performance as Mary Poppins is racist, says a US academic who accuses her of ‘blacking up’ when her face is covered with soot as she dances with chimney sweeps. The scene in which Poppins joins Dick Van Dyke’s Bert and his fellow sweeps on a rooftop for the song Step In Time is one of the best-loved moments in the 1964 Disney classic. But writing in the New York...
Feb 04 1:23pm @7 What a nutcase.
SUPERBOWL SUNDAY GUESSING THE WINNER AND THE SCORE.

SUPERBOWL SUNDAY GUESSING THE WINNER AND THE SCORE.


By: Kathleen  •  27 comments  •  3 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Hello everyone, as we know this Sunday is Superbowl Sunday. I thought it would be fun for us all to guess who we think might win and what the score will be. Lets take a break and have some fun, everyone is welcome. Please, no politics or religion and be polite. Thank you.
Feb 04 2:35am @7.1.1 Predicting the future is a bitch. Look, for most of the game it was at most a 3 point spread.   Your prediction of a largely even game was correct.
1919

1919


By: JohnRussell  •  11 comments  •  3 weeks ago
100 years ago is far enough in the past to represent "long ago", but not so long as to be ancient history. 100 years seems to be a time that almost within our reach, but still well before "our time". Here are some events and trends from 1919. First , the number one popular song from 1919, "After You've Gone", performed in a more modern setting by a young pianist, Stephanie Trick....
Feb 03 5:10pm @3 And 1919 was the first year after WWI ended.   Woodrow Wilson was still PotUS.
Denver voters to weigh decriminalization of magic mushrooms

Denver voters to weigh decriminalization of magic mushrooms


Via: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  84 comments  •  3 weeks ago
By   Dennis Romero Denver's mile-high reputation could get another boost after psychedelic drug advocates received the green light Friday to put an initiative before city voters to decriminalize magic mushrooms. The Denver Psilocybin Mushroom Decriminalization Initiative will ask voters in May to approve an ordinance that would make possession of the drug, no matter the weight, legal...
Feb 03 1:12pm @10.2.1 Jethro Tull was/is one of my favorite bands.   Interesting and complex musicianship.
President Trump Leads Multi-State Push For ‘Bible Literacy’ Classes In Public Schools

President Trump Leads Multi-State Push For ‘Bible Literacy’ Classes In Public Schools


Via: Keep America Great!  •  259 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Multiple states are considering the addition of optional Bible literacy classes, allowing students to study the historical importance of the Book. One sponsor of the bill in North Dakota, Rep. Aaron McWilliams stated, “Yeah, there is a separation of church and state, but there’s not a separation of books from education…If we don’t have a good foundational understanding of this, we’re not...
Feb 02 9:32pm @13.2.24 The more extreme one's position, the more fairness will appear distant.
Feb 02 8:52pm @13.2.14 "..." Good grief.   And many (most?) of the ex-NV liberals stay away because they think this is a conservative site.    Funny thing about a site that does not cater to a particular ideology;...
Feb 02 11:47am @1.2.20 "..." Yet again, repeating an ill-conceived platitude.   Brutality is typically a result of seeking power.   History clearly shows brutal atheists and brutal theists.   Indeed, the most obvious...
Feb 02 11:35am @1.1.20 Ill conceived platitudes.   People should avoid merely repeating stupid notions dreamed up by others.
God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president,' Sarah Sanders says

God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president,' Sarah Sanders says


Via: Tessylo  •  51 comments  •  3 weeks ago
God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president,' Sarah Sanders says   Christal Hayes, USA TODAY   10 hours ago   WASHINGTON – In an interview on Wednesday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said she believes that God wanted Donald Trump to be president.  Talking with the   Christian Broadcasting Network , Sanders offered her thoughts on a wide array of topics,...
Feb 01 11:54pm @16.1.4 Well you know my view on this Phoenyx, I am a big advocate of critical thinking.   I very much oppose simply accepting things as true out of convenience or because the claim is something one wants...
Feb 01 11:31pm @16.1.2 Comfort.
Feb 01 1:17am @16.1 If only people would take the Bible as a mere book (re)written by ancient men we would not be discussing the logical contradiction of God choosing leaders for all nations for all of history. Why...
What Is Materialism? - History and Definition

What Is Materialism? - History and Definition


Via: CB “The Member Formerly Known as Calbab.”  •  9 comments  •  2 weeks ago
by Austin Cline Updated March 06, 2017 What is Materialism? Materialism is the idea that everything is either made only of matter or is ultimately dependent upon matter for its existence and nature. It is possible for a philosophy to be materialistic and still accord spirit a (secondary or dependent) place, but most forms of materialism tend to reject the existence of...
Feb 01 7:15pm @4 "..." By this definition, materialism has been disproved.   Energy is not matter and energy exists.   Arguably energy may be at the core of everything we know.   Also, in terms of scientific...