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Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US

Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US


Via: Tessylo  •  12 comments  •  an hour ago
Politics Trump: 'I disagree' with Fauci on COVID-19 in the US July 7, 2020, 8:03 PM EDT Anthony Fauci (R) is the country's top immunologist and a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force Washington (AFP) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he disagrees with the assessment of the country's top immunologist, Anthony Fauci, on...
Jul 08 5:05pm @7 "..." Talk about Saul Alinsky tactics, this incessant drilling on a single point seems to be a mantra from Trump supporters.   Further, typical Trump, gratuitiously discrediting Dr. Fauci and...
Op/Ed CNN Admits New Study Shows Hydroxychloroquine Has ‘Helped Coronavirus Patients Survive Better’

Op/Ed CNN Admits New Study Shows Hydroxychloroquine Has ‘Helped Coronavirus Patients Survive Better’


Via: Heartland American  •  218 comments  •  10 minutes ago
With the testing showing a form of the virus is still with us the use of Hydroxychloroquine now is all the more important.  Use it and use it early on.  Trump was right again as usual!  
Jul 08 11:32am @5.2.37 "..." You should not be doctor shopping but rather researching the drug.   Your focus should not be on finding a way around regulations but rather on ensuring that a drug you take will do more...
Jul 08 11:30am @5.2.36 "..." Correct.   The FDA demonstrably makes mistakes.   So now considering that fact, which is a safer practice: Seriously question drugs that are not approved (or banned) by the FDA Ignore the...
Jul 07 6:31pm @5.2.26 "..." I do not see this as trying to reduce freedom of choice (as in an authoritarian ideological goal) but instead trying to lessen harm done by taking the wrong drugs.   That is the purpose of...
Jul 06 7:20pm @2.2.46 I think JBB nailed it  @2.2.41
Jul 06 7:13pm @6.1.8 Pure fantasy.
Jul 06 7:12pm @3.2.6 A great way to advance one’s pursuit of truth is to face one’s opposition and deliver cogent rebuttals.   It challenges one to more deeply inspect one’s positions.   In contrast, ignoring contrary...
Jul 06 5:57pm @2.2.38 Yup, given the history I think you are correct.
Jul 06 2:58pm @2.2.35 If someone makes a claim that one is convinced is false, is it unreasonable to ask for evidence (if not proof)? I frankly would like to read where someone has claimed a monopoly on ‘pro science’...
Jul 06 2:16am @2.2.30 "..." Really?   Please deliver these claims.   Provide a link.
Jul 06 2:14am @3.2.4 Such a persuasive rebuttal.  
Jul 06 2:10am @6.2.28 "..." We typically offer opposing viewpoints backed by supporting arguments.    When one ignores opposing views, one precludes growth and solidifies tunnel vision.  It does not surprise me at all...
Jul 06 12:26am @7.1.21 "..." I agree, there is no conspiracy;  we are simply seeing natural dynamics. "..." Do you consider Texas a blue state?   I think you are seeing what you want to see HA.   Blue cities and...
Jul 05 8:43pm @6.2.23 "..." Which is probably why I have never seen you advance in your positions.   Refusing to even entertain an opposing view stifles one's growth.
Jul 05 8:42pm @7.1.13 "..." That is what I was referring to.  Your conspiracy theory is that mayors and governors are trying to take away our freedoms and are exploiting the pandemic to do so.   That is a silly...
Jul 05 11:58am @7.1.11 Just like politics as usual.   The fact that authorities of a certain political persuasion and/or ideology would act in ways (over time and in general) that favor their views (and disfavor opposing...
Jul 05 11:25am @7.1.9 Some of the rules do seem arbitrary, I agree with you there.   The reason, IMO, is due to the lack of information on the virus, the specific dynamics of the area of jurisdiction and the...
Jul 05 11:18am @6.2.18 In addition, the FDA is concerned about the safety of using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19: "..." In short, hydroxychloroquine might have a significant general positive...
Jul 05 10:53am @7.1.7 You declare no conspiracy theory and then, in the next sentences (which should back up your claim), you state your conspiracy theory.  
Jul 04 11:35pm @7.1.4 It is amazing to witness someone who believes that this pandemic is actually a scheme to take away freedoms.   That is the problem with believing what people tell you rather than engaging in...
Jul 04 12:33pm @2.2.16 "..." -and- "..." -and- "..." Why is it that you almost always reply with gratuitous snark and/or personal insults? "..." My point was that what some people do does not define a...
Jul 04 11:52am @2.2.13 "..." Terms like 'the left' or 'the right' are immediately vague, gross generalizations of complex ideological / political / cultural views.   It is difficult to make a meaningful point using...
Jul 04 11:12am @3.2.2 see @6
Jul 04 11:11am @2.2.11 "..." Of course.   Not only is the act of gathering in groups sans protective measures irresponsible, the acts of vandalism, theft, bodily harm are of course reprehensible.   Not everyone lets...
Jul 04 11:06am @5.2.3 "..." I am sure there are people who do foolish things to 'spite' political opponents, and those people probably think most people stupidly behave likewise.   I doubt the typical 'Trump...
Jul 04 10:56am @6.2.3 Here are two approaches: Approach One Read a title of an article that seems to make your point Read the content of the article for facts and ideas Articulate your point in a comment using your...
Jul 03 10:43pm @2.2.3 "..." You would purposely not wear a mask (whose primary purpose is to mitigate the spread of infection from you to others) because you want to 'spite them'? The good part of Christianity is the...
Masking the Truth: It’s not about the Virus, It’s about Obedience

Masking the Truth: It’s not about the Virus, It’s about Obedience


Via: Heartland American  •  53 comments  •  5 hours ago
It is time to resist the edicts and mandates of blue city mayors and blue state governors.  We must remind them that they are out public servants and that we are not their subjects.  They have gone too far with their elitist god complexes and control freak zealotry.  
Jul 07 11:55pm @4.1.1 "..."   Masks inhibit an infected person spreading the infection via breathing and talking.   They are not part of some worldwide conspiracy to gratuitously control people. 
Jul 07 5:14pm @4 "..." This is so ridiculous. When in public, engage in social distancing and wear a mask to mitigate infecting others in close proximity.   Keep your hands clean and avoid touching your face....
The Left's Coronavirus Narrative Is a Myth

The Left's Coronavirus Narrative Is a Myth


Via: Vic Eldred  •  43 comments  •  19 hours ago  •  LOCKED
Jul 07 11:45pm @2.1.21 Good for him.   So maybe the deception was the result of an incomplete answer that was completed at the end of the interview.
Jul 07 11:44pm @2.1.20 I agree with your position; neither do I. Dr. Fauci made a calculation apparently to help preserve the face masks (then in short supply) for front-line medical personnel.   His method was...
Jul 07 7:04pm @2.1.15 "..." Well of course they should be held accountable.   But you recognize that there are a lot of people operating in different roles and saying a lot of things.   Dr. Fauci's strategic deception...
Jul 07 6:57pm @2.1.14 "..." Quite an abrupt segue from scientists not being omniscient to the strategic lie of a talking head.   Dr. Fauci is one scientist who is currently operating in a political role.   The...
Jul 07 6:51pm @2.1.13 "..." Yes, but you presume that the only thing the vaccine would do is form the exact same antibodies seen in COVID-19 patients.   If that is all the finally released vaccine can do then I will...
Jul 07 6:10pm @2.1.9 "..." If a vaccine only produced short-lived antibodies then it would be of limited use.   Why do you presume that a vaccine would necessarily mimic the frailty of natural antibodies?
Jul 07 6:09pm @2.1.8 "..." Why do you presume that the experts will have all the answers?    The experts (the underlying scientists) are still just human beings trying to unravel a mystery.   They will naturally...
Jul 07 5:30pm @2.1.5 "..." No definitive evidence that recovering from COVID-19 means you cannot be re-infected.   Recovered patients do have anti-bodies but they do not last long in the system.   So the immunity, if...
Jul 07 2:59pm @3.1.3 "..." Seems to me that they have not spent enough time understanding the recommended preventative measures and why.   I suspect they only have in their mind 'must wear a mask' without knowledge...
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott needs your help to beat the coronavirus: Wear a mask

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott needs your help to beat the coronavirus: Wear a mask


Via: Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  •  119 comments  •  3 hours ago
Jul 07 12:57pm @4.1.51 "..." In my opinion, a rational course of action given a worldwide pandemic is to devote extraordinary resources to finding a vaccine.   It is clear that if our only weapons to fight this spread...
Jul 07 11:56am @4.1.40 "..." It is certainly possible that we never find a successful vaccine, but that is not the indication we are getting.   Rather, there is an expectation of an effective vaccine by the end of this...
Supreme Court rules states can sanction or remove 'faithless' presidential electors

Supreme Court rules states can sanction or remove 'faithless' presidential electors


Via: Vic Eldred  •  28 comments  •  2 days ago  •  LOCKED
Jul 06 7:30pm @3.2.10 As an aside, since you are focused strictly on ratification of a constitutional amendment, one thing I like about my recommendation is that it does not carry the kind of controversy normally seen...
Jul 06 7:05pm @3.2.9 So you were indeed asking me how to effect amendment ratification.   Why?   Ratification stops virtually every idea from happening.    So no matter what is suggested regarding the CotUS someone can...
Jul 06 5:48pm @2.1 "..." There has never been an election in the USA where faithless electors changed who would be elected PotUS.   What you describe has never happened and is extremely unlikely.
Jul 06 5:32pm @3.2.7 I am going to have to guess at your concern then.   Are you talking about how I would go about amending the CotUS?    That is, are you asking me about the procedural method of effecting the...
Jul 06 5:03pm @3.2.5 See @3
Jul 06 3:17pm @3.2.3 "..." Baron, how can you say my suggestion would not address faithless electors when I am suggesting we do away with human electors?   Without human beings, it is impossible to have a faithless...
Jul 06 1:34pm @3.2.1 My recommendation gives no advantage or disadvantage since the control of allocation remains in each state.   It simply removes unnecessary electors; the state lose no control.   Foe example, if...
Jul 06 1:28pm @3.1.2 Nope
Jul 06 11:04am @3 Human electors is an obsolete safeguard.   Instead of going through the motions, states should simply calculate the congressional electoral votes based on the winners for each congressional...
136,000 Americans DEAD from COVID19

136,000 Americans DEAD from COVID19


By: Eat The Press Do Not Read It  •  108 comments  •  yesterday
And, still, the Sociopath in the White House refuses to wear a FACE MASK. Trump is juvenile, dangerous, and a continuous threat to the safety and well being of all Americans. What kind of world leader refuses to wear a mask during a pandemic because it makes him look weak. Is he still in the 7th grade? What elected leader to a public office has the temerity to calls a PANDEMIC, "Fake?"...
Jul 06 1:46pm @4.4.37 "..." You are still stubbornly conflating talking heads with science.    Science is that which discovers and explains natural phenomena.   Science does not make policy.   If you are emotional...
Jul 06 1:41pm @4.3.22 Lol, I figured you would find a way to disagree but was curious as to your choice of justification. So even on the obvious correctness of the PotUS setting a good example, you go contrarian.  
Jul 06 10:42am @4.3.14 Do you think Trump, as PotUS, should set an example of recommended practices by wearing a mask while around others in public?
Republican / Conservative/ Trumpster  Battle Cry For 2020

Republican / Conservative/ Trumpster Battle Cry For 2020


By: JohnRussell  •  143 comments  •  3 days ago
"THAT MAN (or woman) HARASSED ME FOR NOT WEARING A MASK" !!!!!  the woman yelled at employees and customers, saying that people were harassing her for not wearing a mask, including calling them "Democratic pigs" as she slammed her basket down. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/viral-video-shows-woman-berating-184800874.html William F Buckley and Barry Goldwater...
Jul 05 2:39pm @7.3.3 I love the independent thinkers.   
Jul 04 9:07pm @9.2.6 "..." Although some cry foul and raise conspiracy theories, sans a vaccine and effective treatment the smart societal move is for people to stay clear of others because it is not possible to know...
Jul 04 8:57pm @9.1.4 "..." Agreed.
Jul 04 1:59am @2.3.18 "..." Yeah, trolling.
2 women hit by speeding Jaguar on closed Seattle freeway during protests - Chicago Tribune

2 women hit by speeding Jaguar on closed Seattle freeway during protests - Chicago Tribune


Via: Drakkonis  •  252 comments  •  3 hours ago  •  LOCKED
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Two interesting things concerning this. First, had it been a white guy driving this car, the news media would have taken a very different approach in how they reported this. As it is, they already seem to be trying to make some sort of narrative without knowing anything much at all.  Second, I watched this on several YouTube sites, not for the...
Jul 05 2:34pm @15 "..." Indeed.   Shutting down a freeway (much less for 19 days) goes well beyond a productive protest.   Worse, it is irresponsible. "..." As a result of the hit-and-run by Dawit Kelete.   It...
WHO halts hydroxychloroquine trials after failure to reduce death

WHO halts hydroxychloroquine trials after failure to reduce death


Via: JBB  •  14 comments  •  2 days ago
And here I thought I read hydroxychloroquine was worth a damn...butt I guess not!
Jul 05 11:53am @4.1 Would you prefer the World Health Organization operate like a religion and hold fast to its original positions and never change when new information becomes available? Or would you prefer the WHO...
Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors

Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors


By: JohnRussell  •  143 comments  •  3 days ago
Faced with financial losses as merchandising partners threaten to cut ties with the team, the ownership of the Washington Redskins NFL team announced today that it will review the franchises name for the future, seen as a sure sign that the 'Redskins' name is history. 
Jul 04 12:41pm @17.1.16 The problem is people in general who simply accept as truth what others tell them.   This is not the behavior of one particular ideology, political view, religion or culture but of all.   This is...
America’s survival hangs in the balance

America’s survival hangs in the balance


Via: Heartland American  •  102 comments  •  9 hours ago
Our constitutional republic, our history, our traditions. Our constitution itself, and are very founding are facing a clear and present danger and it is coming from elements of the hard core secular progressive left.  They as the article below shows want to transform our country as we know it and destroy it as we know it forever in the process.  
Jul 03 11:15pm @8.1.26 Again the simplistic us vs. them mentality is at play.   Apparently he thinks that anything promoted by 'the left' must be bad.  
Jul 03 9:00pm @8.1.21 It is simplistic.   To simply hate 'the left' (or to simply hate 'the right') is to fail to understand reality below a superficial us vs. them level.   This is the same kind of non-thinking that...
Jul 03 8:50pm @8.1.18 "..." Yeah, that is the kind of attitude that makes America great.
Jul 03 5:52pm @8.1.15 "..." Wishing that 'the right' (or 'the left') operate unchallenged is both naive and irresponsible.
Jul 03 5:14pm @8.1.10 Let's see if he 'stands by' that comment then.  The point, of course, is that either extreme operating unchallenged would be bad news.   So HA's desire to 'cancel culture' 'the left' is, not...
Jul 03 4:26pm @8.1.8 The level of projection in your comment is staggering.
Jul 03 4:25pm @8.1.7 "..." I remember you writing that your preferred method for the USA is theocracy but if that is not your position I will assume I am mistaken since you know your position better than anyone else.
Jul 03 11:03am @8.1.2 It is good to have opposing ideologies.   If not, we would likely trend to an extreme.   You, for example, have expressed in the past that the USA should be a theocracy.   A fine example of why it...
Why is there a hostility towards science?

Why is there a hostility towards science?


By: Gordy327  •  396 comments  •  4 days ago
One thing the Covid crisis has shown us is the apparent hostility the general populace has towards science. This is (a simplification) demonstrated by people refusing to social distance or wear face masks, despite scientific guidelines and evidence showing their efficacy. Or when people directly contradict science by saying masks do not work, Covid is a hoax, or some similar nonsense, even...
Jul 03 11:11pm @17.1 I do find it interesting that there is a mantra against science by a faction of 'right' individuals.   They are running with a talking point that science is incompetent if new evidence results in...
Jul 02 8:27pm @2.2.114 As I have noted to you many times, this is like panning for gold.   Sometimes one finds a nugget (a thoughtful point or rebuttal) but most of the time one gets, in a word, trolling.
Jul 02 8:21pm @2.2.112 "..." Spot on.   Seems to be a common tactic with a select group; if one cannot make a cogent argument then just try to be obnoxious instead.   Why this is not embarrassing to individuals who...
Jul 02 8:10pm @8.1.70 "..." First of all, I suggested that Dr. Fauci is not the person empowered to require compliance;  those persons are the mayors, governors, Congress and the PotUS.   Dr. Fauci serves as an expert...
Jul 02 2:31pm @8.1.67 "..." Again Nerm, you conflate individuals operating with political authority with science itself. Dr. Fauci is not science.   He is an individual scientist operating in a political /...
Jul 02 2:27pm @2.2.102 Sex cells are different than the sex of an individual.   Life is complicated; one must spend time to grow beyond a superficial understanding of biology.  "..." With this you contradict your own...
Jul 02 11:48am @2.2.98 "..." Normally when one replies to a comment the reply has something to do with the comment. Is the biological hermaphrodite merely a mental disorder or an individual with both sex cells...
Jul 02 11:37am @2.2.95 "..." What does this have to do with what I wrote? Answer:  nothing.  Formulate a response that deals with sex cells if you want to actually respond to what I wrote.
Jul 02 11:36am @8.1.63 Figure out the difference between science and the usage of science (especially by political and religious authorities).  If you continue to conflate the two, your comments (and by extension, your...
Jul 02 11:12am @2.2.90 8-ball is trying to claim that individuals with different combinations of biological sex cells are all mental disorders.   That is wrong at first inspection:  a hermaphrodite (both biological...
Jul 02 10:37am @8.1.59 "..." Here you illustrate one of your problems.   You state 'science is authoritarian' as a summary conclusion to your question/statement that 'science is being used to control the public and...
Jul 02 12:57am @7.2.20 To me the easiest explanation for Genesis is that it is a fantasy dreamed up by ancient men looking up at the sky, looking around at nature and spinning a tale for how it all started.   That...
Jul 01 8:59pm @8.1.43 "..." I proved @8.1.13 that you have used the same word with different usages.   "..." I have been rebutting your authoritarian nonsense since your first comment.   "..." I stated:...
Jul 01 4:47pm @8.1.40 "..." Nobody has claimed that scientific knowledge (findings, theories, etc.) are authoritative (either as in true or as in demanding compliance).   I know I have consistently stated that science...
Jul 01 4:32pm @8.1.38 "..." What bullshit Nerm.    You are the one who introduced authoritarian and authoritative.   You are the one who repeatedly changed the meaning of these terms within your comments.   My...
Jul 01 4:05pm @8.1.34 "..." Who has ever claimed that science achieves perfection (truth)?    Gordy and I both routinely note that science formally explains phenomena based on a foundation of formal evidence and never...
Jul 01 10:23am @8.1.24 "..." Nerm that is blatant bullshit.   I alleged (and proved with direct quotes) that you are using the same word 'authoritative' with different meanings (usage semantics).   You are flip...
Herman Cain hospitalized with coronavirus after Trump rally in Tulsa

Herman Cain hospitalized with coronavirus after Trump rally in Tulsa


Via: JBB  •  18 comments  •  5 days ago
Jul 03 5:17pm @8 Believing it cannot happen to you is not a good way to remain healthy amidst this pandemic.
'Star Trek: Lower Decks' Gets Release Date On CBS All Access; USS Cerritos Revealed - TrekMovie.com

'Star Trek: Lower Decks' Gets Release Date On CBS All Access; USS Cerritos Revealed - TrekMovie.com


Via: Dignitatem Societatis  •  31 comments  •  6 days ago
Jul 02 2:54pm @1.1 Not feeling it.
Meet the Supporters Trump Has Lost

Meet the Supporters Trump Has Lost


Via: JohnRussell  •  36 comments  •  6 days ago
A significant majority of people who voted for him in 2016 are planning to do so again. What is different about those who’ve had a change of heart? For some, the disenchantment started almost as soon as Donald J.   Trump   took office. For others, his handling of the coronavirus and social unrest turned them away. For all of them, it’s highly unlikely they will vote for him again....
Jul 01 8:45pm @2.2.8 The election will, of course, be decided by independents.    Thus my analysis always is relative to how I see fellow independents thinking.   Trump seems to be net negative right now (economy,...
Jul 01 8:41pm @2.2.7 The debates are what I am waiting for now.   I can see where the economic / contentment factor is going but we do not yet have information on Biden's ability (in 2020) to operate as the nominee...
Jul 01 11:13am @2.1.1 "..." True.   But when I look at Biden's strengths (not being Trump, affability, being a D) vs. his weaknesses (foot-in-mouth, not as sharp as he used to be, age) the key mechanism for amplifying...
Jul 01 11:11am @2.2.1 "..." John, do you actually reject the notion that Biden, when engaged in debate, could flounder and look mentally aged?   No matter how much one wants Trump out of office, it serves no good...
Jul 01 10:46am @2 "..." Good grief, was this not obvious during his 2016 campaign? "..." This kind of reasoning sickens me.   No critical thinking whatsoever, just simplistic generalization.   Trump is an...