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Harris vs. Pence: The 2020 vice presidential debate

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  3 months ago  •  13 comments

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Harris vs. Pence: The 2020 vice presidential debate
 

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I think it is instructive to observe Harris in debate with Pence.   Pence was well prepared and engaged in —by all rights— a very strong defense of Trump.    Harris too was well prepared and executed a spirited and challenging debate.

Trump is nowhere close to Pence in debate skills.  He will not have facts, he will simply make up his own facts (lies) during the debate.   He will be his usual loose-cannon self, rambling all over the place and will not have the presidential demeanor that both Pence and Harris exhibited in this debate.


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TᵢG
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1  seeder  TᵢG    3 months ago

The idea that Harris cannot deal with tough questions or debate is ridiculous.

This debate was not scripted (for those who somehow think otherwise) and no teleprompters were in place.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1    3 months ago

I'll believe there's actually going to be a debate when I see the maga coward on the stage that night...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @1    3 months ago

Well, from all accounts, she hasn't encountered any tough questions yet, including this sham interview.

She wouldn't have really needed a teleprompter anyway, since Dana was gently tossing softballs.

It would be interesting to know what and how much was edited out of this prerecorded interview.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago
... including this sham interview.

Greg, you apparently do not understand that this seed is about the 2020 vice-presidential debate between Harris and Pence.   It is not the Dana Bash interview.

I recommend you review articles before leaping in head first.

After all, the title itself should be a clue.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    3 months ago

The only thing I am worried about in this upcoming debate is that she will go too easy on him. 

I think that is a real possibility. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    3 months ago

My concern is different.   It is tough to deal with someone who not only lies perpetually, but for a large part gets away with it.

I can see her getting trapped in a quagmire of trying to deal with a barrage of lies.   Her debate prep needs to develop a way to dismiss the lies and then make a rebuttal in general but still be specific enough to be effective for the audience.

Another way of saying this is that there is no way to actually have a debate with Trump.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.3    3 months ago

She will not win a debate on "policies". Not that her policies arent better, but people have been indoctrinated into the idea that things were better for them under Trump. 

She has to make him unacceptable on a character basis. It is easy to do, but Im not sure her campaign totally understands that. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.2.5  Thomas  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    3 months ago

Well, this makes me think of the night when I was living in Arkansas. My house was out in the country so I could observe the stars easily. I was standing on the edge of my carport, looking at stars, so all of the lights were off, when I heard this noise...

"Pop" 

A few seconds went by...

"Pop"

This continued for awhile and I noticed my cat, CeeAyeTee, was on the edge of the carport. I went and turned on the light, and when I got back to where CeeAyeTee was, I saw that he had drug up a copperhead to the edge of the concrete and that popping sound was his paw contacting the concrete as he struck the snake to keep it straightened out. 

Why is this night remembered while discussing a Trump-Harris debate? 

Because, even though the snake and Trump both represent possible existential demise, the result of the confrontation was never in doubt. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.6  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    3 months ago

The people who believe Trump is their hero will not be persuaded by anything.

She needs to convince rational people that she is the better choice.    That is done with facts and reason.   And, in this case, a parallel strategy is to help illustrate the abysmal character of Trump while Harris remains presidential.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.3    3 months ago

This is Trump having a stream of consciousness today, and expressing it.

He is attempting to make the point that in 2011 he was leading all the polls but  then he had to step back from the race because he had to "finish two buildings". In fact what happened is that his polling collapsed after Obama released his birth certificate to the media. 

In this clip Trumps mind is wandering and he sounds like a complete fool.   Its probably too late for the Republicans to force him out of the race, so now they will have to lie in the soiled bed they made. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.7    3 months ago
The Donald went up, and then The Donald melted down.

In what automated Democratic survey shop Public Policy Polling described as “one of the quickest rises and falls in the history of presidential politics,” Donald Trump has plummeted from a field-leading 26 percent in the polls to a mere 8 percent.

He’s now in a fifth-place tie with the man he has often criticized as unelectable, Ron Paul, according to the latest PPP survey out Tuesday. Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney lead the primary pack at 19 percent and 18 percent, respectively, followed by Newt Gingrich at 13 percent and Sarah Palin at 12 percent.

“As Trump got more and more exposure over the last month Republicans didn’t just decide they weren’t interested in having him as their nominee — they also decided they flat don’t like him,” pollster Tom Jensen wrote on the company’s blog.

As the “birther” issue that he championed started fading with the release of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, so did Trump’s poll position. Only 34 percent of GOPers still have a favorable opinion of Trump, compared with 53 percent who view him unfavorably, according to the survey.

Trump's poll numbers collapse - POLITICO
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.7    3 months ago

Why do they just let him ramble?  I heard them laughing - was it at him or for him?  Who was the woman interviewing because she was laughing, it looked like, with him.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2  Thomas    3 months ago

I found that debate dry and Dated. 

 
 

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