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Texas’ new redistricting maps are now law after Gov. Greg Abbott signs GOP-backed bills

  
Via:  Split Personality  •  3 years ago  •  70 comments

By:   Sami Sparber

Texas’ new redistricting maps are now law after Gov. Greg Abbott signs GOP-backed bills
Critics say new congressional, legislative and State Board of Education maps don’t reflect the growth of the Hispanic community, which made up nearly half of the state’s population gain since 2020.

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AUSTIN — Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday signed into law   new political maps   drawn by Republicans that cement the GOP’s grip on power for the next decade but blunt the voting strength of nonwhite voters who fueled Texas’ population surge.

Critics say the redrawn congressional, legislative and State Board of Education maps do not reflect the major growth of the Hispanic community, which made up nearly half of the state’s population gain since 2020. People of color accounted for 95% of the state’s population boom over the last decade, with much of the growth concentrated in cities and suburban areas, census data show.

“With his signature today, Governor Abbott continues the shameful five-decade-long tradition of ramming through extremely gerrymandered maps in an undemocratic process,” Anthony Gutierrez, Common Cause Texas executive director, said in a news release. “These racially and partisan gerrymandered maps deny every voter in Texas from having an equal say in the issues we care about most, like a stronger economy, better schools, and affordable healthcare.”

Abbott’s office didn’t release any remarks about the bill signing.




The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund has   already asked a federal court to toss out the maps , arguing the redrawn boundaries violate the federal Voting Rights Act and dilute the voting strength of Hispanic voters. The new maps are generally expected to withstand legal challenges, but battles over aspects of the boundaries could last several years.

A second federal lawsuit against the maps was filed Monday, with advocacy organization Voto Latino and a group of individual voters arguing the new U.S. House boundaries dilute Latino and Black voting strength in violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Because Abbott signed the redistricting plans before a Nov. 15 deadline set by state lawmakers, the primary election is slated for March 1, 2022.

Abbott also   signed   other bills   on Monday that were passed during the third special legislative session, including a measure that would clarify existing state law regarding the   safety of dogs chained outside   and make the statute easier to enforce. The governor vetoed similar legislation in June.

Also on the list of signings was a resolution authorizing a constitutional amendment to go before voters next May that would increase the homestead exemption for school taxes to $40,000, up from $25,000. It would save the owner of a $300,000 home about $176 a year in property taxes.

And he signed a bill requiring athletes in public schools to play on sports teams that correspond with the sex listed on their birth certificate.

This year, Republican lawmakers have a clearer path toward using the redistricting lines they want because Texas is no longer required to get federal approval on new political maps. For decades, every Texas redistricting plan has been either changed or tossed out by a federal court after being found in violation of the Voting Rights Act.

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Split Personality
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1  seeder  Split Personality    3 years ago

Plenty of red meat in this article.

Past and present Presidents are off topic, thanks

 
 
 
Veronica
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2  Veronica    3 years ago

I may be crazy, but I think that the "districts" should be counties.  That way no one can change them.  But that's just me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @2    3 years ago

The problem with that solution is the law requires near-even population counts for each district. Counties in Texas could never comply with that law because of size and populations varying so much.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    3 years ago

That law only applies to the US House Rep district.

The districts for State House and State Senate are allowed to favor one party by 10% in Texas.

That's where gerrymandering attempts to solidify local power.

Lived in many states, but the TX voter ID card is special.  12 categories.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    3 years ago
That law only applies to the US House Rep district.

Which is why I mentioned it, because that is precisely what I am talking about.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Veronica @2    3 years ago

I agree.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2    3 years ago
I agree.

So how would you comply with the law?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.1    3 years ago

So how would you comply with the law?

If it's a good idea, change the law.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.3  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.2    3 years ago

Exactly.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.2    3 years ago
If it's a good idea, change the law.

Yeah, I am sure SCOTUS would be thrilled to see a state deliberately try to ignore their past rulings on the size of Congressional districts.

It is a silly suggestion.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.4    3 years ago
It is a silly suggestion

So you are stating that laws cannot be changed?  Once it is a law, that is it, huh....

Yeah, I am sure SCOTUS would be thrilled to see a state deliberately try to ignore their past rulings on the size of Congressional districts.

SCOTUS has already ignored previous SCOTUS decisions on other matters, why do you think this is different?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    3 years ago
So you are stating that laws cannot be changed? 

Not at ALL. What led you to such an erroneous conclusion?

Once it is a law, that is it, huh....

Again, not what I said. Perhaps you would care to start debating what I really DID say?

Also, one must look at the decisions made by SCOTUS to realize that the law for equal district populations in a state was made to give people an equal representation is Congress.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    3 years ago
Not at ALL. What led you to such an erroneous conclusion?

You said that changing the law was a silly suggestion.  Really, you did, it is directly above my question, I even quoted you with my question.

Again, not what I said. Perhaps you would care to start debating what I really DID say?

Once again it appears that your inability to speak clearly and concisely is affecting the conversation.

I said that if it was a good idea, the law should be changed.  You replied with "It is a silly suggestion". (notice the quotation marks?)

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.7    3 years ago
You said that changing the law was a silly suggestion.  Really, you did, it is directly above my question, I even quoted you with my question.

I know what I wrote. It IS a silly suggestion. 

Of course, when one looks at the decision handed down by SCOTUS, it makes perfect sense for why the law will stand and not be changed. 

Look at these cases and you will soon see WHY SCOTUS ruled the way they did and WHY it is highly unlikely that any major deviation from those rulings would be tolerated.

 Baker v Carr,

 Wesberry v Sanders,

Reynolds v Sims,

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2.9  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.8    3 years ago
I know what I wrote. It IS a silly suggestion. 

Yes.

Because....  math.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Veronica @2    3 years ago

Sometimes the simplest solutions like yours are the hardest for politicians to grasp.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3    3 years ago
Sometimes the simplest solutions like yours are the hardest for politicians to grasp.

How could you do it by individual counties when they vary so much in population?

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.2  Veronica  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3    3 years ago

They like to overcomplicate things so even they can't understand them.  Then they manipulate it again & again.  It would be nice if our government representatives actually represented us.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3    3 years ago

Congressional districts have to all be roughly the same size population, all across the country. There is a little variation for the particularly small states , but the principle is always there. 

It would be impossible to use county borders to create congressional districts .

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.4  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago
It would be impossible to use county borders to create congressional districts .

But it is not impossible to redraw them to suit the wants & desires of whatever political party is "in charge"?

Nothing is impossible.  Stop drawing lines that bisect counties - combine counties if necessary BUT leave the lines as county lines.  This redistricting is bullshit - it is time to represent all the people, not just those you think will vote for you (you being used in reference to representatives).  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.3.5  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago

That is true for Congressional Districts only.

Texas allows a 10% differential for State Rep districts, State Senate districts and who knows what else.

We have Community Precincts, JP precincts, City, City Counsel, Schools, SBOE(?) Water and others.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Veronica @2.3.4    3 years ago

Lets say you have a county of one million people , and the congressional district size is 750,000. The best you could do is keep one congressional district entirely within the county and another one would be partially in that county and partially in an adjacent county. This would be ideal, but many many counties across the country dont have 1 million people. 

I agree though that the congressional district boundaries should be kept as uniformly shaped as possible. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.7  Veronica  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.6    3 years ago

Yeah - let's just keep redistricting then because that is fair.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.8  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @2.3.7    3 years ago
let's just keep redistricting

Yes, let's keep adhering to the law.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.3.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago

Oh well.  I still back the idea though.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3.9    3 years ago

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Texan1211
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3  Texan1211    3 years ago
“With his signature today, Governor Abbott continues the shameful five-decade-long tradition of ramming through extremely gerrymandered maps in an undemocratic process,” Anthony Gutierrez, Common Cause Texas executive director, said in a news release.

Well now, that IS interesting. He is actually admitting that Democrats have done exactly what he accuses Republicans of doing.

Hmmmm......I wonder if he issued statements when the Democrats did it, too.

And he signed a bill requiring athletes in public schools to play on sports teams that correspond with the sex listed on their birth certificate.

Oh, the sheer HORROR of that! LOL!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4  seeder  Split Personality    3 years ago

800

We are already in an early voting situation.  Mail in ballot applications weren't mailed out so we will have to vote in person.

My current Voter card says district 26 but we are now in 33?

Wtf?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 years ago

Well, if your current card was issued before the new maps were drawn, it stands to reason that your district may change. Plenty of time to figure it all out before elections.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 years ago

Special election on November 02, this coming Monday.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    3 years ago

Like I said, plenty of time to figure it out.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    3 years ago

Tuesday but who's counting LOL

Just ribbin' ya

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 years ago

Predictably the phones at the local election office are experiencing long wait times.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.3  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 years ago
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Redistricting should be done by bi partisan committees from the state legislature. The same number of Democrats and Republicans. Then, at the least, there would have to be horse trading. No one party should control redistricting in any state. It is undemocratic. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 years ago

I wonder how many Democrats share that sentiment, and did they feel that way when Democrats gerrymandered for decades?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 years ago
Texas has been found in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 because of intentional racial discrimination every decade since its enactment. The root of these violations is redistricting, the process of redrawing the boundaries of every congressional and state legislative district to maintain roughly equal populations. This process occurs every 10 years after collecting new census data. A select group within the Texas Legislature is the architect and cartographer of this endeavor. 

This is the heart of Texas’s long history of intentional discrimination against voters of color: Analysts say that because voters of color were packed into single districts or broken up across several districts, their voting power is diluted to the point that their votes are rendered ineffective in choosing their political representation.

David Vance, a national media strategist for Common Cause, a D.C.-based watchdog group that fights for representative government, said Texas doesn’t have the best record of creating a fair vote. Gerrymandering, he said, is just one tactic used to silence voters in Texas.

“I think you've seen in the voting process all sorts of efforts to minimize the power of voters of color, and that that's either through some of the sort of racial gerrymandering, discriminatory voter ID laws, and, most recently, limiting ballot drop off points. It’s definitely an unfortunate pattern.”

Which decades?  Are you talking About Texas specifically?

In redistricting, lawmakers are not only fighting over voters’ rights and fair representation — but also for their own political survival. Oftentimes, rather than working together to draw district maps fairly, representatives focus on moving lines to protect themselves, stay in office and put their enemies at a disadvantage — an act called gerrymandering.

Redistricting expert Michael Li says the upcoming maps could prevent the Legislature and the congressional delegation from reflecting the population of Texas.

Maps created with personal gain in mind are often challenged, however. In Texas, it would be unusual if, at the very least, some redistricting plans didn’t end up in state or federal court.

In fact, for the past decade, the state has been dealing with the legal implications of the 2011 redistricting maps that ended up being rejected by the federal government. Following explosive population growth in Texas, particularly among Hispanic residents, the state gained four seats in Congress that cycle. Rather than creating a district with a Black and Hispanic majority that could’ve made their seats safer in a Democratic wave election, Republicans opted for keeping their numbers up in Dallas County and purposefully diluted the voting strength of voters of color in the Texas House map and in several congressional districts. This sparked temporary and replacement maps that were also found discriminatory in some ways.

Since state Republicans held onto their 20-year majority in the recent election, they’re positioned to further entrench their power. But voting rights groups will likely raise concerns that the cost of that retrenchment will be the continued disenfranchisement of voters of color.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 years ago
I wonder how many Democrats share that sentiment, and did they feel that way when Democrats gerrymandered for decades ?

Most Gerrymandered States 2021

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Texan1211
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5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.2    3 years ago

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Texan1211
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5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    3 years ago
Which decades?  Are you talking About Texas specifically?

Well, the article even quotes someone saying it has been going on for at least 50 years. Which means Democrats as well as Republicans gerrymandered whenever they got the chance. 

I also refuse to ignore the very long history of the Democrats in power in DC, much of it owed to a solid blue South due to gerrymandering and Jim Crow.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.5  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    3 years ago
Texas has been found in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 because of intentional racial discrimination every decade since its enactment.

Texas state politics, like every other southern state, was dominated by the Democratic party from the Reconstruction Era till the mid-late '90s. C'mon man...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.6  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.4    3 years ago
Well, the article even quotes someone saying it has been going on for at least 50 years.

Well it took the first lawsuits a few years after the 1965 Voting Rights Act to be settled so in round numbers 50 is very

accurate.

Which means Democrats as well as Republicans gerrymandered whenever they got the chance. 

He specifically stated that it has been rammed through in an undemocratic process. 

I also refuse to ignore the very long history of the Democrats in power in DC, much of it owed to a solid blue South due to gerrymandering and Jim Crow.

There ya go, never bypass an opportunity to slam those old time conservatives responsible for Jim Crow.

But your wrong.  Gerrymandering was rarely necessary in the South, the Democrats would not accept black voters

and most blacks overwhelmingly avoided the GoP.

800

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.6    3 years ago
and most blacks overwhelmingly avoided the GoP.

Which would make Democratic Jim Crow laws totally unnecessary even by Democratic "standards".

So Democrats passed Jim Crow laws because blacks were already avoiding Democrats' biggest competition?

What a bunch of freaking Einsteins they were!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.2    3 years ago

How does your picture relate to my question?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.9  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.2    3 years ago

Interesting. Never had an issue in CA or PA.

And in memory there was never retaliation, a few lawsuits and then the courts settled it and everyone moved on.

SC was tit for tat almost every time there was as a change in power.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.8    3 years ago

How does your picture relate to my question?

Don't know what you are talking about.  I have never posted my picture to this forum.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.9    3 years ago

Interesting. Never had an issue in CA or PA.

And in memory there was never retaliation, a few lawsuits and then the courts settled it and everyone moved on.

SC was tit for tat almost every time there was as a change in power.

This is why the ability needs to be removed from the party in power, and placed in the hands of a non-partisan, or at least bi-partisan, committee.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.10    3 years ago
Don't know what you are talking about.  I have never posted my picture to this forum.

Post 5.1.2.

That IS what YOU posted, is it not?

How does your post relate to mine?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.12    3 years ago
Post 5.1.2. That IS what YOU posted, is it not?

That is not my picture.  It doesn't look anything like me.  I think you're confused.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.13    3 years ago

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Ozzwald
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5.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    3 years ago

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Split Personality
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5.2  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 years ago

Agreed.  Butt fairness seems to have been tossed long ago.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6  GregTx    3 years ago
For decades, every Texas redistricting plan has been either changed or tossed out by a federal court after being found in violation of the Voting Rights Act.

As will this one, if it is in violation. The article mentions 2 federal lawsuits already filed with more to come I'm sure.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @6    3 years ago
 
 
 
Texan1211
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7  Texan1211    3 years ago
This year, Republican lawmakers have a clearer path toward using the redistricting lines they want because Texas is no longer required to get federal approval on new political maps.

Texas  (and other states) were only required to get federal approval on new maps because of the way Democrats abused the system, along with using Jim Crow laws to prevent blacks from voting.

Imagine, a now-red state having to get approval from a Democratic Administration to ensure the abuses which occurred under Democratic rule wouldn't be repeated. I surely hope people can see the irony in that!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @7    3 years ago
the way Democrats abused the system, along with using Jim Crow laws to prevent blacks from voting.

Well I am sure that that would become common knowledge if CRT wasn't banned in high schools in TX.

Imagine, a now-red state having to get approval from a Democratic Administration to ensure the abuses which occurred under Democratic rule wouldn't be repeated. I surely hope people can see the irony in that!

Been that way for opposing parties since 1789.  I am surprised that you think that's ironic

when you seem to espouse nothing but revenge politics.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @7.1    3 years ago
Well I am sure that that would become common knowledge if CRT wasn't banned in high schools in TX.

I learned all about it in school many years ago. Today's curriculum probably includes it, too.

Been that way for opposing parties since 1789. 

Okay then. I will have to assume you never heard of the Voting Rights Bill then. There was no Republican Party in 1789, btw.

I am surprised that you think that's ironic

Not nearly as surprised as I am that you don't see it.

you seem to espouse nothing but revenge politics.

Revenge? Oh, I get it--you mean like Democrats passing Jim Crow as revenge on blacks for them losing the Civil War and ownership of their property.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.2  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.1    3 years ago
I learned all about it in school many years ago. Today's curriculum probably includes it, too.

oops, sorry I forgot about the grievance history taught in previously CSA states.  My bad.

Okay then. I will have to assume you never heard of the Voting Rights Bill then.

No, I mentioned it and 1965 at least twice in my comments.

There was no Republican Party in 1789, btw.

Labels. American political labels boil down to either cons or libs.  Whether they called themselves Whigs, Federalists

Jeffersons ( Anti Federalist) or the confusing Democratic Republicans, Jackson Democrats (very mean people)

they were all one or the other until 1965 when the those pissed off conservative Southern Dems began to leave.

Not nearly as surprised as I am that you don't see it.

LMAO at the coyness.

Oh, I get it--you mean like Democrats passing Jim Crow as revenge on blacks for them losing the Civil War and ownership of their property.

Well aside from very few blacks losing the CW or property, Yes.  ( I understand what you meant )

You see the difference to me, my extended family which includes Mexicans, blacks, Jews and Filipinos is that 

collectively they don't blame a party for the past.  They blame the ideology, they blame the reasons whites

gathered in the fields and mindlessly burned crosses in God's name while lynching some of God's children.

None of us are Democrats, Republicans or Independents because of what happened from 1865 to 1965.

It's just not a hang up or a blame game that works for us.

Butt keep it up if it works for you.

God bless, god speed and all that stuff

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.2    3 years ago
oops, sorry I forgot about the grievance history taught in previously CSA states. 

Whatever THAT means. Please present an example.

None of us are Democrats, Republicans or Independents because of what happened from 1865 to 1965.

Gee, that sounds like you don't think Democrats or Republicans switched parties because of anything that happened in those years. What a switcheroo! 

PROGRESS!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.4  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    3 years ago
Please present an example.

First week in SC Middle school. Daughter came home furious that she was marked wrong for the Father of our Country

and the First President. Apparently Jeff Davis is appreciated a little differently in the deep south if not in Texas.

What a switcheroo!

I don't believe so, but you go ahead and entertain yourself thinking so.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.4    3 years ago

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Sean Treacy
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7.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.1    3 years ago

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Texan1211
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7.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.6    3 years ago

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Ender
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7.1.8  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.6    3 years ago

I was never taught that in school and as far as I know neither were the children in the family.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.9  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @7.1.8    3 years ago
The question of what students should learn about the Civil War, the role that slavery played in it, and the history of Reconstruction —the period from 1865 to 1876 when African Americans claimed their rights to freedom and voting, followed by a violent backlash by white Southerners—causes contentious disputes among educators, historians, and the American public. One outcome of these disputes is that ideologies often masquerade as historic facts. Texas’s 2010 standards, for instance, listed states’ rights and tariffs, alongside slavery, as the main causes of the Civil War—even though historians overwhelmingly agree that slavery was the central issue.

Another common problem is omissions: A 2017 survey of 10 commonly used textbooks and 15 sets of state standards found that textbooks treated slavery in superficial ways, and state standards focused more on the “feel-good” stories of abolitionists than on the brutal realities of slavery. When the same study surveyed 1,000 high-school seniors across the country, it found that among 12th graders, only 8 percent could identify slavery as the cause of the Civil War, and fewer than four in 10 students surveyed understood how slavery “shaped the fundamental beliefs of Americans about race and whiteness.”

Of course, students aren’t students forever, and the views of American adults are influenced by what they learn as children. When one 2015 poll asked American adults whether slavery was the main reason for the Civil War, 52 percent said that it was, while 41 percent said that it was not. In the same survey, 38 percent of adults insisted that slavery should not be taught as the main cause of the Civil War. That the country is divided on how to deal with Confederate statues and the Confederate flag follows in lockstep

My kiddos were taught that the North started the War and the slaves were just part of the family and depending

on whether their owners were Biblical or not, they were freed after 7 years per the Bible's rules. (Yes really)

My oldest kids were almost in HS and knew all about the Underground Railroad that ran through PA to Canada.

They were born in PA

One of their SC coaches told me my girls needed to learn their places as

'temporary residents' and not "rock the boat".

 I got a traffic ticket once and you have to go to court for even the most minor infractions. They had stopped all

state inspections for some reason and I had bought a used car with an expired inspection ticket that only a licensed

inspection mechanic could remove with an "approved" sticker scraper jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

Went to court and lost.  They would only take cash. An officer with a huge grin

told me I could buy something at the Piggly Wiggly and get cash from them.

I thought it was a legitimately good idea.  I went in and it was nice, I had never been in one before, pretty much like an

ACME but with some "different " "soul" food in the cases, otherwise no different.

It only occurred to me later that while base commissaries were integrated every hour of the day,

the local GIANT was not.

I didn't realize that this was the equivalent of a black supermarket in "that part of town".

The manager ( I remember his Maroon bow tie ) and his assistant approached me rather timidly

and started apologizing profusely for not being ready?  They thought I was the County Health inspector!

I said no harm, I know we all look alike, and we laughed.  He was going to let me take anything I wanted  for free.

No need, I said, I need change for the court house, and a frozen treat for a special officer or two over there.

When I returned with my cash  I handed the smirking officers each a typical frozen Eskimo pie,

"Compliments of the Piggly Wiggly manager",

their smirks disappeared, the cashier, a black woman, could barely contain her glee.

True story, lol.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.9    3 years ago

Now we did learn about the underground railroad.

I was trying to remember some things yet it seems so long ago...  Haha

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.9    3 years ago

I obtained all of my schooling from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...including college.

We were taught that slavery was the cause of the war and that the South started it. The actual truth of the war and the antebellum years. We weren't taught that slaves were family but were given the background of the Underground RR which rumors floated that some of the areas where some us lived were part of it

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.12  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.11    3 years ago

We did take a field trip to a civil war battle ground.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7.1.13  seeder  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @7.1.12    3 years ago

I have been fortunate enough to visit Gettysburg many times.  Antietam, Bull Run and others.

Nearly all of the residents of Beaufort SC moved to TX when the UNion came a knocking and turned

the town into a virtual field hospital.  The church pews were used to support the largest gravestones

which were used for operating tables.  After the war the grave stones were placed back on their respective sites, with all of the scoring

and saw marks from the amputations.  Local battlefields are maintained as such but there is basically nothing there.

There are 2 museums in Beaufort, neither touch on slavery. Just photos, old uniforms and cannons, muskets and rifles.

The best in the area which points out all Port Royal battle sites is actually the USMC Museum of Paris Island,

accessible to the public during reasonable hours.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8  Buzz of the Orient    3 years ago

The Texas Republicans are having so much success with their restrictive laws, with support from that Republican SCOTUS, that I wouldn't be surprised if they were to pass a law that only white Christians are allowed to vote, and to have babies.

 
 

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