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Psychedelic medicine: a re-emerging therapeutic paradigm

  
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Psychedelic medicine: a re-emerging therapeutic paradigm
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When I was in college, I experimented with various psychedelic drugs.  Many of my friends also experimented with these drugs.  Okay, our "experiments" were mostly recreational trips but I think we also benefitted from our experiences.  We definitely increased our ability to "think outside of the box".  And, some of us who had suffered childhood trauma were able to understand those events and put them behind us.

One of my favorite drugs was MDA.  The anti-drug laws in the US prevented researchers here from incorporating any "street drugs" into their investigations.  While this prohibition was in place, I read about groundbreaking research that was being performed in South America by Dr. Naranjo. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2050324518767442

I'm glad that psychedelic research is finally being done in the US.  The ridiculous "war on drugs" has set this important research back by decades.

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CMAJ. 2015 Oct 6; 187(14): 1054-1059. doi: 10.1503/cmaj.141124PMCID: PMC4592297 PMID: 26350908

Psychedelic medicine: a re-emerging therapeutic paradigm


Kenneth W. Tupper, PhD, Evan Wood, MD PhD,Richard Yensen, PhD, and Matthew W. Johnson, PhD Author informationCopyright and License informationDisclaimer School of Population and Public Health (Tupper, Wood); Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine (Wood), University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC; Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences (Johnson), Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, Md.; Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies — Canada (Yensen), Vancouver, BC; Orenda Institute (Yensen), Manson's Landing, BC Correspondence to: Evan Wood, ac.cbu.tenefc@we-irhuCopyright © 2015 8872147 Canada Inc. or its licensors This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

In clinical research settings around the world, renewed investigations are taking place on the use of psychedelic substances for treating illnesses such as addiction, depression, anxiety and posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Since the termination of a period of research from the 1950s to the early 1970s, most psychedelic substances have been classified as "drugs of abuse" with no recognized medical value. However, controlled clinical studies have recently been conducted to assess the basic psychopharmacological properties and therapeutic efficacy of these drugs as adjuncts to existing psychotherapeutic approaches. Central to this revival is the re-emergence of a paradigm that acknowledges the importance of set (i.e., psychological expectations), setting (i.e., physical environment) and the therapeutic clinician-patient relationship as critical elements for facilitating healing experiences and realizing positive outcomes. 1 , 2

The public is often well-versed in the potential harms of psychedelic drugs, but much of this knowledge is from cases involving patients who used illicit substances in unsupervised nonmedical contexts. We discuss the emerging research for therapeutic purposes involving human subjects, considering both the possible benefits and the potential harms of using psychedelic agents as adjuncts to psychotherapy or counselling for mental illness.

Types of psychedelic drugs


"Psychedelic" drugs include a range of substances with varying pharmacological profiles that all have strong effects on conscious experience (Table 1). 3 - 18 We will focus on two classes of psychedelics: classic psychedelics and "entactogens."

Table 1:


Psychedelic agents currently under investigation for their potential benefits as adjuncts to psychotherapy

Substance Derivation or chemical analogues General effects and properties Potential harms * Potential therapeutic uses
LSD Ergot fungus ( Claviceps purpurea ); morning glory ( Turbina corymbosa ); Hawaiian baby woodrose ( Argyreia nervosa ) â sources of ergine or lysergic acid amide
  • 5-HT 2A (serotonin) agonist of pyramidal neurons

  • Dizziness, weakness, tremors, paresthesia

  • Altered consciousness (visions, auditory distortions, ideations)

  • Altered mood (happy, sad, fearful, irritable)

  • Distorted sense of space, time

  • Psychosis

  • Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder

  • Addiction (e.g., alcohol) 3

  • Anxiety associated with terminal illness 4 , 5

Psilocybin Psilocybe and other genera of mushrooms (various species)
  • 5-HT 2A (serotonin) agonist of pyramidal neurons

  • Dizziness, weakness, tremors, paresthesia

  • Altered consciousness (visions, auditory distortions, ideations)

  • Altered mood (happy, sad, fearful, irritable)

  • Distorted sense of space, time

  • Psychosis

  • Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder

  • Addiction (tobacco, alcohol) 6 , 7

  • Anxiety associated with terminal illness 8

Ayahuasca brew (admixtures contain DMT) Chacruna leaf ( Psychotria viridis ); Chagropanga vine ( Diplopterys cabrerana ); ayahuasca vine ( Banisteriopsis caapi ); assorted other admixture plants
  • 5-HT 2A (serotonin) agonist of pyramidal neurons

  • Dizziness, weakness, tremors, paresthesia

  • Nausea, emesis

  • Altered consciousness (visions, auditory distortions, ideations)

  • Altered mood (happy, sad, fearful, irritable)

  • Distorted sense of space, time

  • Psychosis

  • Serotonin syndrome and other dangers from medication interactions due to monoamine oxidase inhibitory activity

  • Addiction (alcohol, cocaine, tobacco) 9 , 10

  • Depression, anxiety 11 - 14

Mescaline Peyote cactus ( Lophophora williamsii ); San Pedro cactus ( Echinopsis pachanoi )
  • 5-HT 2A (serotonin) agonist of pyramidal neurons

  • Dizziness, weakness, tremors, paresthesia

  • Altered consciousness (visions, auditory distortions, ideations)

  • Altered mood (happy, sad, fearful, irritable)

  • Distorted sense of space, time

  • Psychosis

  • Addiction (alcohol) 15

MDMA Sassafras tree ( Sassafras albidum ) â source of safrole, precursor chemical
  • Serotonin, dopamine and noradrenaline agonist

  • Euphoria

  • Arousal

  • Perceptual alteration

  • Enhanced empathy and sociability

  • Potential neurocognitive deficits (e.g., memory impairment)

  • Sleep disruption

  • Short-term depression

  • PTSD 16 - 18

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Note: DMT = dimethyltryptamine, LSD = lysergic acid diethylamide, MDMA = methylenedioxymethamphetamine, PTSD = posttraumatic stress disorder.

* Potential harms identified here are associated with illicit and unsupervised nonmedical uses of psychedelic substances (often in the context of polysubstance use); current clinical studies on psychedelic agents have not reported such chronic adverse sequelae. â Potential therapeutic uses are identified based on evidence from past (i.e., 1950s-1960s) and current research on psychedelic drugs.

The classic psychedelics exert primary activity as agonists at the 5-HT 2A receptor (e.g., lysergic acid diethylamide [LSD], psilocybin, dimethyltryptamine [DMT] and mescaline). 19 Many of these substances are found â or are close analogues of chemicals found â in plants or fungi used traditionally for millennia in spiritual or folk healing rituals, such as the ergot fungus ( Claviceps purpurea ) from Eurasia, morning glory ( Turbina corymbosa ) and peyote cactus ( Lophophora williamsii ) from Central and North America, and the ayahuasca brew ( Banisteriopsis caapi and Psychotria viridis ) from the Amazon. 20

The second class of psychedelic substances, the entactogens, includes methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), which acts primarily as a serotonin-releasing agent and has effects that somewhat overlap but are substantially distinct from classic psychedelics. 21

Other substances that are sometimes classified as "psychedelic" â such as ketamine (a dissociative anesthetic), scopolamine (an anticholinergic) or ibogaine (a substance with a complex neuropharmacology) â are beyond the scope of this review. This article will focus on clinically relevant studies with patient populations in which psychedelic drugs are used as adjuncts to psychotherapy. Besides a few brief mentions, we do not cover findings from research on healthy participants, although such studies have been the basis of renewed neuropharmacologic science in this field.

Contexts and indications

Some of the mental disorders for which psychedelic-assisted treatments are currently being researched include anxiety, addiction and PTSD. The findings presented in this analysis are preliminary, and most are results from small-scale pilot studies with relatively few participants. Further study is warranted before any unambiguous clinical utility may be confirmed, but the new generation of investigators is attempting to overcome some of the methodological weaknesses of earlier research on these substances.

Anxiety

In 2014, a small randomized controlled trial in Switzerland suggested LSD-assisted psychotherapy had the potential to reduce the anxiety associated with terminal illness. 4 Twelve participants with life-threatening illness were enrolled in the study to receive treatment that involved drug-free psychotherapy sessions supplemented with two LSD-assisted sessions two to three weeks apart. The participants were randomly assigned to either the treatment group (receiving 200 g LSD [ n = 8]) or the active control group (20 g LSD [ n = 4], with an open-label crossover to 200 g LSD after the initial blinding was unmasked). At two months' follow-up, the State-Trait Anxiety Inventory (STAI) showed nonsignificant reductions in trait anxiety, but significant reductions in state anxiety.

Follow-up with nine participants one year after treatment showed a sustained therapeutic benefit with no acute or chronic drug-related severe adverse events, and there were no adverse effects lasting more than one day after an LSD-assisted session. 4

Psilocybin has likewise shown promise as a treatment for anxiety in patients with terminal illness. 8 A 2008 study on ameliorating end-of-life anxiety focused on 12 participants with end-stage cancer. 8 After several non-drug-assisted therapy sessions, participants underwent a within-subject crossover study in which they received the experimental medication (0.2 mg/kg psilocybin) and the active placebo (250 mg of niacin) across two sessions a few weeks apart. Findings showed that psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy lowered anxiety and improved mood, without clinically significant adverse effects. 8

MDMA-assisted therapy is also being studied as a treatment for social anxiety in adults with autism, although findings have yet to be published. 22

Addiction

Researchers in the 1950s and 1960s studied the use of psychedelic-assisted therapy for the treatment of addictions such as alcohol dependence, 23 some key findings of which were recently reviewed in a meta-analysis that suggested a significant beneficial effect. 3 In renewed clinical research on treating alcohol dependence with psilocybin-assisted therapy, a New Mexico team recruited 10 participants with a diagnosis of active alcohol dependence (and no concurrent mental illness or other substance use disorder). 6 Participants received pre- and post-psychosocial support (motivational enhancement therapy) over 12 weeks, with one or two intervening open-label sessions at weeks four (0.3 mg/kg psilocybin, n = 10) and eight (0.4 mg/kg psilocybin, n = 6, or 0.3 mg/kg psilocybin, n = 1). Among the participants who completed the study, the self-reported mean percent drinking days and percent heavy drinking days were reduced by more than half of what had been reported at baseline. 6 Acute adverse effects such as nausea and mild headaches were reported by some participants, but no clinically significant or lasting harms resulted from the administration of psilocybin.

Other recent research on psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy for addiction includes a pilot study of treatment for tobacco dependence. This investigation was an open-label design involving 15 participants who smoked at least 10 cigarettes per day and had multiple previous unsuccessful cessation attempts. 7 Participants received cognitive behavioural therapy before and after treatment with psilocybin. Treatment included two or three psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy sessions (doses of either 20 mg/70 kg or 30 mg/70 kg), with the first session occurring on the target quit date. At six months' follow-up, 12 of the 15 participants were abstinent (biologically verified by exhaled carbon monoxide and urinary cotinine levels). 7 Smoking cessation outcomes were significantly correlated with a measure of mystical experience on session days, as well as retrospective ratings of personal meaning and spiritual significance of psilocybin sessions. 24 The same research team is currently designing a follow-up randomized controlled study to compare a similar psilocybin intervention with nicotine-replacement therapy.

The Amazonian folk medicine ayahuasca is a plant-based preparation with the psychoactive constituents DMT, which is chemically related to psilocybin, and harmala alkaloids, which are reversible monoamine oxidase inhibitors. An observational study of an ayahuasca-assisted intervention in a Coast Salish First Nations community in British Columbia for people ( n = 12) seeking treatment for addictions to substances such as alcohol and cocaine showed statistically significant improvements in measures of mental health and reductions in self-reported use of these substances after six months, with no lasting adverse physical or psychological effects. 9

Observational research involving members of Brazilian religious groups who regularly drink ayahuasca sacramentally has shown that, compared with a matched control group, long-term regular drinkers of ayahuasca tend to have a lower prevalence of substance use, 10 structural brain changes that do not suggest evident pathology 11 and better neuropsychological performance and psychosocial adaptation. 12 Other studies involving similar populations of long-term drinkers of ayahuasca have shown lower rates of psychoactive substance use and psychopathology. 13 , 14

Canadian researchers are currently coordinating an international research study to investigate ayahuasca's potential as a treatment for addiction, with clinical sites in Brazil, Peru and Mexico. 25

Ayahuasca differs from the other substances covered in this review, inasmuch as it is a plant-based preparation of variable composition and strength, and typically used in ceremonial contexts, which makes it more difficult for researchers to isolate the factors that may contribute to therapeutic efficacy. 26 , 27

Posttraumatic stress disorder

In a pilot randomized controlled trial investigating MDMA-assisted psychotherapy to treat chronic treatment-resistant PTSD in the United States, outcomes from 20 participants with a mean illness duration of 19 years showed that the experimental treatment may improve upon the best currently available pharmacotherapies and psychotherapies. 16 The clinical protocol involved several weeks of preparatory and follow-up non-drug-assisted psychotherapy, during which the members of the experimental group received two MDMA-assisted sessions. No serious adverse effects were reported. Outcomes included a significant and sustained reduction in PTSD symptoms as measured by the Clinician-Administered PTSD Scale (CAPS), with 83% of participants in the experimental group (v. 25% in the placebo group) showing a reduction in symptom severity of more than 30%. Furthermore, some members of the experimental group no longer met criteria for PTSD as stated in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition (DSM-IV). 16 A long-term follow-up study involving the same participants showed that, although two patients relapsed, 74% (14/19) of patients still showed meaningful, sustained reductions in their CAPS scores three and a half years later. 17

An additional small ( n = 12) randomized controlled trial investigating MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD was recently completed in Switzerland. 18 This study compared three full-dose MDMA-assisted sessions per patient (with non-drug-assisted therapy before and after) with low-dose active placebo in a crossover design. Participants had no serious drug-related adverse events, and although reductions in CAPS scores were not statistically significant, self-assessment of PTSD symptoms as measured by the Posttraumatic Diagnostic Scale questionnaire was significantly reduced.

In 2015, researchers in Vancouver began a similar pilot study of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for patients with PTSD, the first clinical study involving psychedelic drugs in Canada in more than 40 years.

Historical lessons

Experience from previous research â both positive and negative â has provided important lessons for current methodological designs, ethical strictures and clinical protocols and for renewed research on psychedelics involving human participants. In the 1950s and 1960s, methodological challenges confounded the advancement of psychedelic medicine, with researchers disagreeing about the suitability of randomized controlled trials and the possibility of double-blinding. 28 More infamously, egregious violations of ethical protocols, such as lack of informed consent (in some cases through military or intelligence agency-supported research) resulted in substantial and long-lasting harms to some patients. 23 Furthermore, unsupported claims about purported benefits of psychedelics, and sometimes explicit encouragement for non-clinical use, by some members of the research community, may have contributed to unsupervised and uncontrolled recreational use of psychedelic substances. Consequently, by the mid-1970s, clinical access to and professional interest in psychedelic drugs waned, leading to a quiescence in research for several decades.

Although methodological and political challenges remain to some degree, 27 recent clinical studies have shown that studies on psychedelics as therapeutic agents can conform to the rigorous scientific, ethical and safety standards expected of contemporary medical research. 29 For example, patients undergo careful screening, fully informed consent is obtained and protocols are approved by ethics review boards. In addition, contemporary investigators are mindful of the checkered history of psychedelic research, and are thus cautiously reserved in reporting their findings, doing so with appropriate caveats and limitations.

Potential risks and their mitigation

Most psychedelic drugs are classified and legally scheduled as having no or very limited medical purpose, a high potential for abuse and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. 30 Potential health risks of these substances include the precipitation of psychotic breaks in patients with psychotic disorders or a predisposition to these disorders. 31 Thus, participation in contemporary psychedelic research typically excludes people with a personal or family history of psychosis or bipolar disorder. 29

A further risk associated with psychedelic drugs is Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (HPPD), sometimes known as "flashbacks," although HPPD is more uncommon and more clinically severe than the flashbacks or visual distortions sometimes described in the days following illicit use of psychedelics. 32 , 33 However, the incidence of adverse effects such as psychosis or HPPD in the general population is believed to be relatively low, and these effects are generally associated with the use of illicitly procured psychedelic substances, which often involves polysubstance use in uncontrolled settings without supervision. 34 In light of these concerns, it is worth noting that lifetime use of classic psychedelics at the population level is associated with decreased psychological distress; 35 thus, potential individual instances of harm may be overshadowed by instances in which people experience benefit or no harm.

The most common adverse effects from the administration of psychedelics under clinical supervision are limited to the time of drug action, such as acute increases in anxiety, fear, heart rate and blood pressure. 29 Without careful supervision, fearful responses could lead to dangerous behaviour (e.g., fleeing the study site). In addition, delayed-onset headache is sometimes caused by psilocybin use and possibly by other classic psychedelics. 36 Although adverse effects of MDMA overlap somewhat with those of classic psychedelics, cardiovascular effects (e.g., tachycardia) are generally greater with MDMA, whereas adverse psychological reactions are more likely with classic psychedelics. It is important to note that acute adverse effects are readily managed, 37 and that, as described previously, none of the new clinical research studies have reported long-term harms.

The clinical protocols for contemporary psychedelic studies draw on lessons learned from the earlier era of psychedelic research, and incorporate some common elements to minimize risks and maximize potential therapeutic benefit. After obtaining fully informed consent from the patient, clinical sessions take place in health care facilities, in quiet treatment rooms with pleasant and comfortable decor. Headphones deliver music, hospital and laboratory equipment are minimal and discreetly placed, and a two-person cotherapist team is in attendance throughout the drug's action. During a session, interaction between patient and therapists is kept to a minimum, with the patient encouraged to spend much of the time engaging in self-reflection while listening to carefully selected music. Follow-up sessions that are non-drug assisted provide opportunities to integrate the insights gleaned from the experimental sessions. As research on psychedelic medicine advances, further refinements in screening, safety and therapeutic protocols will be possible.

Questions for future research

Numerous scientific and empirical questions remain in the field of psychedelic medicine. With respect to basic neuroscience research, progress in understanding the human brain and its functional relationship to mind and consciousness would be substantially advanced by further determining how psychedelic drugs work neuropharmacologically. 30 This kind of knowledge would in turn be useful in applied fields such as psychology, psychiatry and addiction medicine, both to help explain mechanisms for the therapeutic results that renewed psychedelic studies are yielding and to advance understanding about optimal therapeutic protocols for these forms of treatment. With respect to clinical applications, different psychedelic medications may be indicated for different specific illnesses. Further research should elucidate not only respective efficacy, but also optimal pharmacotherapeutic and ancillary psychotherapeutic choices.

Beyond basic research on neuropharmacological mechanisms and clinical outcomes are potential economic arguments for psychedelic therapies. Substance dependence and mental disorders, such as depression and anxiety, are substantial and growing sources of illness and health system costs worldwide. 38 , 39 Given these trends, investment of resources into researching novel treatments for mental and substance use disorders is warranted. Because preliminary evidence suggests psychedelic therapies require relatively time-limited interventions (i.e., they do not involve long-term ongoing courses of pharmacotherapeutic intervention), they may prove to be economically viable in comparison with currently available treatments.

Conclusion

Renewed scientific interest in psychedelic medicine is generating new knowledge about a class of pharmacologic substances that humans have long used for ceremonial, therapeutic and cultural purposes. As this field of research evolves, medical school curricula may need to be updated to include the latest knowledge about psychedelic drugs. This would encompass scientific evidence about relative risks and harms of psychedelic drugs â which is largely absent in current drug control scheduling classifications 40 and reflects adverse outcomes from uncontrolled recreational use rather than supervised clinical settings. In addition, it would encompass knowledge about the potential therapeutic uses of these agents, particularly because patients may query their physicians about research findings reported in the media. If further scientific evidence accumulates on the therapeutic value of psychedelic medicines, specialized clinical training for physicians, nurses, psychologists and other health professionals will be required to meet an increased demand for such treatments.

It behooves policy-makers to be aware of and open to new approaches to treatments emerging in the field of psychedelic medicine. This is particularly important for those concerned about the growing prevalence of mental illness, including addiction, as well as its associated human, social and economic costs. This applies not only to elected officials, but also to civil servants in health ministries and research granting agencies, where advances and innovations are translated from the clinical research laboratory into options for health care improvements that are in the public interest. Currently, international drug control scheduling classifications and popular misconceptions about the relative risks and harms of psychedelic drugs make research involving humans difficult. However, continued medical research and scientific inquiry into psychedelic drugs may offer new ways to treat mental illness and addiction in patients who do not benefit from currently available treatments. The re-emerging paradigm of psychedelic medicine may open clinical and therapeutic doors long closed.

Key points

  • Medical interest in psychedelic drugs as treatments for illnesses such as anxiety, addiction and posttraumatic stress disorder has been renewed.

  • Small-scale studies involving human participants in the United States, Europe and Canada are showing that such research can be conducted in a safe and scientifically rigorous manner.

  • Preliminary findings show some successful results for these treatments, with significant clinical improvements and few â if any â serious adverse effects.

  • The emerging results may have implications for future medical and neuroscientific research, medical education and training, and public policy.

Footnotes

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Competing interests: Richard Yensen is an investigator with the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies â Canada. No other competing interests were declared.

This article has been peer reviewed.

Contributors: Kenneth Tupper and Evan Wood conceived the idea for the article. Kenneth Tupper drafted the article. Evan Wood, Richard Yensen and Matthew Johnson analyzed and interpreted the reviewed literature, and revised the manuscript critically for important intellectual content; all of the authors have approved the final version to be published and agree to act as guarantors of the work.

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al Jizzerror
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1  seeder  al Jizzerror    4 years ago

Life is a trip so buckle up and enjoy it. - al Jizzerror 2021

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    4 years ago

psilocybin is legal in the city and county of denver now, but I never was much of a mushroom fan. back in the early 70's LSD hit it's pinnacle of quality. orange sunshine, purple microdot, window pane, just to name a few. a lot of that great stuff definitely was a litmus test for mental rigidity and character. I saw a few people turn into religious wackos after a trip. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 years ago
I saw a few people turn into religious wackos after a trip. 

My brother was one of those religious victims.  

I was at works when a friend stopped by and slipped something in my shirt pocket.  It was four small innocent looking pills.  He said he got it from a friend (a physician now) who was majoring in organic chemistry.  He had applied 500 mic of LSD (that he had made) to clinical time released phencyclidine that was being evaluated at the psych wing at the hospital.

I knew what PCP and LSD were butt, as far as I know, no one had ever combined them.  So i arranged to meet my brother (who was a tripping hippie) and a couple of buddies to take our journey.  I showed them the pills and told them exactly what it was.  They eagerly took the shit because we all wanted to be "psychedelic pioneers".

The trip was intense.  Nothing happened for over two hours.  We smoked weed and assembled a water bed and nothing.  We even had time to fill up the bed with water, and still nothing psychedelic was happening.  We were in a room that was only illuminated by a red light and the mandatory black light.

Then I had to pee.  My buddy had replaced his bathroom lightbulb with a 400 watt exterior lightbulb that he liberated from a college dorm.  Knowing this, I closed the door so I wouldn't blind my three friends who were playing scrabble in the adjoining room.  I felt around in the dark and positioned myself in front of the toilet.  I raised the lid and then I turned on the light.  So many colors were swirling around me that I couldn't see the toilet.  I checked with my foot and it was still there.  I was holding the toilet to the floor with my foot and I was relieved to hear the pee slashing in the toilet.  When I flushed, all of the colors swirled  into the toiled and went don the drain.  I was standing in an all white (extremely bright) tiled bathroom.  So I turned off the light.  I instructed them to go pee and asked them not to turn on the light with the door open.

We were all tripping when we emerged from the bathroom.

My brother kicked back in a lazyboy and was intenty staring at a blank wall.  I asked him several times what he was staring at and he kept saying he was watching cartoons.  That was the last time my brother ever took illegal drugs.  He became a Bible scholar and he even studied Hebrew and Greek to do his own translations.  Maybe he saw God.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.2  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 years ago

psilocybin is legal in the city and county of denver now, but I never was much of a mushroom fan. back in the early 70's LSD hit it's pinnacle of quality. orange sunshine, purple microdot, window pane, just to name a few. a lot of that great stuff definitely was a litmus test for mental rigidity and character. I saw a few people turn into religious wackos after a trip. 

I've experimented with many drugs years ago. Never did mushrooms, but I did Mescaline-- by eating the actual Peyote Cactus. In fact I did that long before I ever did pot! IIRC it wasn't legal back then except for maybe one or two Indian tribes who legitimately used it in religious ceremonies (?). 

However the law wasn't rigidly enforced-- people who wanted to get high bought it from gardening companies who sold various ornamental plants including various types of Cactus!

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.3  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.1    4 years ago
Maybe he saw God.

I knew several people who dropped Acid back in the late 60's. Several of the saw (or claimed they saw) God. Whether or not they actually did see her is open to debate.

While I've tried several drugs (including two i loved-- Ecstasy and Cocaine) , LSD was the one I was too scared to try. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.4  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @1.1.2    4 years ago
I did Mescaline-- by eating the actual Peyote Cactus.

I ate Peyote Cactus too.  It was like eating old sweat socks.  So I started rolling hunks Peyote up into little balls and swallowing them like pills.  I did the same with mushrooms.

I never puked butt most of my friends did.  Peyote is a nice mild trip (so are mushrooms).

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     4 years ago

I saw a program last night that using MJ was producing some remarkable results in autistic children.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @2    4 years ago
I saw a program last night

CNN is doing a special on weed and autism this Sunday at 8 PM.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.1  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    4 years ago
CNN is doing a special on weed and autism this Sunday at 8 PM.

Time to buy a little Cannabis stocks on Monday (?).

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @2    4 years ago
I saw a program last night that using MJ was producing some remarkable results in autistic children.

I think with the use of "recreational drugs" for medical purposes its a 2 step process.First they have to prove the drug does have medical benefits. And then the second part is finding a form that, while producing medical benefits-- doesn't get you high as a kite!

IIRC that's what basically happened with cannabis (?). In fact some legit benefits were know for a while. Then research uncovered more. It was the THC..But people didn't want to use it medically because it got people high.

Then they discovered CBD in marijuana-- medical benefits without the high. Now CBD seems to be all over the place...my local Health Food Store has a big sign in the window mentioning the various CBD products the sell (legally). 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.2.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @2.2    4 years ago
It was the THC..But people didn't want to use it medically because it got people high.

I stay high.

I own MedMen stock (MMNFF).  It's very cheap.  It's about seventeen and a half cents/share.  I bought a buttload.

Schumer has a bill that would legalize weed at the federal level,

 
 
 
Krishna
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3  Krishna    4 years ago

WTF?

Hallucinogenic drugs have any sort of positive uses?

(Who knew...?)

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al Jizzerror
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3.1  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @3    4 years ago

I read Dr. Naranjo's research into MDA and MMDA in 1969.  

At the time it was almost impossible to investigate illegal drugs in the US (unless you were willing to produce disinformation about their dangers).

 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4  Krishna    4 years ago
 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4    4 years ago
Please see previous NT seed: Psychedelic Medicine Stocks Garner Serious Investor Interest

I just took another look at that old seed. Among other things it said:

Full Disclosure: I own shares of Mind Medicine (MindMed) Inc. (Stock symbol MMEDF)

Disclaimer: Nothing in this seed is intended as a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Investing in the stock market may result in the loss of some all all of your invested capital 

But then this happened:

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Krishna @4.1    4 years ago

I still hold that stock.  It has weathered several storms well.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1    4 years ago

And this!

$MNMD Mind Med Trading on The Nasdaq ! Kevin O'Leary loves and is invested in this Stock !

So then the ticker symbol listed in that old NT seed (MMEDF) was changed...its now MNMD.

(I realize most NT members aren't that interested in the stock market but the reason I linked to that old seed was because to me the content is illustrative of the fact that more and more people are have been becoming aware of the vast health potentials of Psychedelic medicine. In addition there's an interesting discussion there re: several aspects of creativity).

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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4.1.3  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @4.1    4 years ago

Maybe seeds like this will help your (and Split's) investment in Mind Medicine (MindMed) Inc. (Stock symbol MMEDF)

I'm planning to buy some MMEDF Monday.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.4  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.3    4 years ago

I had owned a lot, made some good money. So I sold almost all of it-- for a nice profit. I hardly ever do as well as I did with this stock-- in fact it was the best stock trade I made in over 35 years!

Since I sold most of it it hasn't done all that well-- very volatile. Recently a slight up trend, but inconsistent. My best guess is that it will move up, then down, then up & down in the short term. Hard to say, but IMO it will be volatile for a while...then over time really take off. (The problem is that its hard to know how long that will take).

I think the best strategy here is to do what many experienced investors often do. Decide how much you want to invest in MNMD now-- then buy half that amount on Monday. Hold the other half of that money...and invest that in MNMD when it has a big dip!

P.S: The symbol had changed since that old seed-- its now MNMD

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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4.1.5  seeder  al Jizzerror  replied to  Krishna @4.1.4    4 years ago
its now MNMD

Thanx for the update!

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.6  Krishna  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.3    4 years ago
Maybe seeds like this will help your (and Split's) investment in  Mind Medicine (MindMed) Inc

When I first started using the Internet, a lot of people used it to hype a stock they had just bought. It took me a few years to realize those efforts have, basically,  no effect.

And even more so with time. Why? Well one reason that there are so many more people logging on. If you try to follow the market daily its overwhelming-- everyone is an "expert" (if you don't believe that-- ask them! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png ).

For every tweet or TV "expert" hyping MNMD there's another one bashing it. Also true even for big well known  stocks like FB ("META"?), AMZN, GOOGL. etc.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6  seeder  al Jizzerror    4 years ago

Be careful, the Internet is addicting!

My last stock, which I bought on Dec 1 for $10/share, is up 19.6% since I acquired it.

The company is Himax Technologies (HIMX).

Don't buy it it's pure speculation. 

 
 

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