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'Incredibly alarming': Republican poll worker in Michigan charged with tampering with voting equipment

  
Via:  Ender  •  2 years ago  •  43 comments

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'Incredibly alarming': Republican poll worker in Michigan charged with tampering with voting equipment
 

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A Michigan poll worker has been charged after a witness saw him inserting a USB drive into an electronic poll book after the Aug. 2 statewide primary, the  Detroit Free Press  reports.

James Holkeboer, an election inspector at the Gaines Township 8th Precinct, has been charged with falsifying records under election law and using a computer to commit a crime.

As Detroit Free Press points out, poll books contain voter registration data that includes personal and confidential information that election workers use to oversee elections at their precincts.

Holkeboer registered with the county as a Republican,   according to Michigan Radio . Detroit Free Press reported that "an individual with the same name served as an alternate delegate for the 3rd Congressional District at the Michigan Republican Party's State Endorsement Convention earlier this year."

Kent County Clerk Lisa Posthumus Lyons says the incident did not result in any unwarranted access to voting machines or election results.

"(T)his incident is extremely egregious and incredibly alarming. Not only is it a violation of Michigan law, but it is a violation of public trust and of the oath all election workers are required to take," Posthumus Lyons said.

"Let me be very clear: voter fraud and illegal election activity in Kent County will not be tolerated. Our citizens deserve to have faith in their elections and in those who work them. I will do everything possible to keep Kent County’s elections secure, transparent, fair, and accurate. If someone or something threatens that, we will take aggressive action to protect our elections and hold those responsible accountable."

She said the Kent County Clerk's Office will conduct a post-election audit of the precinct and the poll book in question will be replaced.

A spokesperson for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said in a statement to the Free Press, "we take seriously all violations of election law and will continue to work with the relevant authorities to assure there are consequences for those who break the law ... Michigan voters can be confident that their votes will be counted accurately and securely.”


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Ender
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Ender    2 years ago

Sometimes I think some people want to cause chaos. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Ender @1    2 years ago

they want to terrorize election workers in order to replace them with partisans that will play ball when called upon.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2  goose is back  replied to  Ender @1    2 years ago
Sometimes I think some people want to cause chaos. 

Prime example of why there should be voter I.D. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  goose is back @1.2    2 years ago

This has nothing to do with voter ID.

It has to do with a republican trying to invade the system.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    2 years ago

Exactly Ender.  

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.3  goose is back  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    2 years ago
It has to do with a republican trying to invade the system.

It has everything to do with voter ID. he was tampering with "poll books contain voter registration data that includes personal and confidential information that election workers use to oversee elections at their precincts".  If a person Republican or Democrat shows up to vote and has to present a voter ID that matches the election poll books the ability to commit fraud is greatly eliminated. Do you have a problem with Voter ID?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.4  seeder  Ender  replied to  goose is back @1.2.3    2 years ago

You are still completely ignoring what has happened and harping on ID....

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.5  goose is back  replied to  Ender @1.2.4    2 years ago
You are still completely ignoring what has happened and harping on ID....

If you have a response please post it. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.6  seeder  Ender  replied to  goose is back @1.2.5    2 years ago

A response to what? That you cannot see the difference between hacking a system and an ID?

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.7  goose is back  replied to  Ender @1.2.6    2 years ago
That you cannot see the difference between hacking a system and an ID?

He was trying to "HACK VOTER ROLLS", you can not see the need to have a Voter ID requirement.  What part of that don't you understand? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.8  seeder  Ender  replied to  goose is back @1.2.7    2 years ago

What the hell does that have to do with voter ID?

Hint...not a fucking thing....

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Ender @1.2.8    2 years ago
not a fucking thing....

What he is saying that if some idiot gets into the voter rolls, changes certain information to thousands or even millions of people and no one had caught it, then an ID while voting would be the one thing to have flagged that something was amiss, otherwise, with no ID, it may have never had been caught.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.10  seeder  Ender  replied to  bugsy @1.2.9    2 years ago

If someone is going to change the voters rolls, ID would not matter at all.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.11  goose is back  replied to  bugsy @1.2.9    2 years ago
with no ID, it may have never had been caught.

It's hopeless. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.12  goose is back  replied to  Ender @1.2.10    2 years ago
ID would not matter at all.

Let's just say this Republican hacker adds 2,000 voters to the roles. 

No ID - he submits 2000 mail in ballots and they are counted.

With ID - nothing happens.

Do you think that matters? 

 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.13  bugsy  replied to  Ender @1.2.10    2 years ago
If someone is going to change the voters rolls, ID would not matter at all.

Sure it would.

Let's say this idiot changed the spelling of names of thousands of registered democratic voters. These voters show up to vote, the election worker says they do not exist on the voter rolls and are unable to vote.

If these people had a current voter registration card and an ID to prove they are who they say they are, then they would be able to vote.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.14  seeder  Ender  replied to  bugsy @1.2.13    2 years ago

In that state one already has to show ID to vote, so the point is moot.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.2.15  afrayedknot  replied to  bugsy @1.2.13    2 years ago

“…and are unable to vote.”

No one is ever excluded from casting a ballot.

If any discrepancies occur, a provisional ballot can be cast…and after bi-partisan signature verification, any required curing, and final adjudication, that ballot will be counted. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.16  bugsy  replied to  afrayedknot @1.2.15    2 years ago
f any discrepancies occur, a provisional ballot can be cast

This is a blue state. I would be HIGHLY skeptical, as a registered republican, to have to cast a provisional ballot in ANY blue state because my name did not show correctly on the voter rolls, especially if I had been voting regularly for many years.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.17  bugsy  replied to  Ender @1.2.14    2 years ago
In that state one already has to show ID to vote, so the point is moot

It does, but not all blue states do. This could happen anywhere and never get caught.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2  Kavika     2 years ago

When the country loses faith in our institution and voting procedure we are in a lot of trouble.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Kavika @2    2 years ago

Sometimes I think that is exactly what people are trying to do.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Ender @2.1    2 years ago

I think they are so frustrated that they are just lashing out, at everyone and everything…including the institutions that are our only recourse.

I thought apathy would be our ultimate downfall, but the anger out there is palpable…scary, scary times…

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    2 years ago

Trump gave him the idea with his false accusations about why he was defeated. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
3.1  goose is back  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 years ago
Trump gave him the idea with his false accusations about why he was defeated.

So Trump claimed people broke the law to commit fraud against him and that somehow motivated this guy to break the law and commit fraud.  That makes no sense. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  goose is back @3.1    2 years ago

The accusations supporting Trump's claims of fraud included tampering with voting machines.  Tampering with a voting machine is what this guy did.  Makes sense to me. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
4  Hal A. Lujah    2 years ago

Republicans have adopted the idea that the way to prove voter fraud is real is to commit voter fraud themselves and say “see?  I told you it was real.”

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5  TᵢG    2 years ago

To uber-partisans, the party politics is a religion.   Some will do whatever it takes (in their minds) to secure a win.   The ends justify the means and all that crap.

Partisanship rots the soul and hampers critical thinking.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5    2 years ago

Tell us about all the Democrats who tampered with voting equipment.

This is not an issue of partisanship. It is an issue of a disease within the Republican Party. They are filled with conspiracy wackos. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.1  evilone  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago
This is not an issue of partisanship. 

You are being obtuse.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago
Tell us about all the Democrats who tampered with voting equipment.

Why?   This story is about an R example.    Oh, I see, you have yet again INCORRECTLY read "both sides are equal" into my comment.   Get a grip, JR, this is obnoxious.

That said, there are in fact D partisans who will also 'do what is necessary' for their cause.   So, in that regard, obviously both sides have dishonest uber-partisans.   People will be people regardless of the party to which they are attached.

This is not an issue of partisanship. 

I disagree, I think this is driven by uber-partisanship.   But I do agree that the GoP is replete with conspiracy theorists and various forms of nutcases as evidenced by those who have and continue to support the Big Lie and who defend Trump at every turn.


Lose your insertion of "both sides-ism" into comments by members.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    2 years ago

OK, you tell us about all the Democrats who have tampered with voting equipment.  This is not a "both sides" situation, which a reference purely to party "partisanship" would imply. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.2    2 years ago
I disagree, I think this is driven by uber-partisanship.   But I do agree that the GoP is replete with conspiracy theorists and various forms of nutcases as evidenced by those who have and continue to support the Big Lie and who defend Trump at every turn.

It would be nice if you could criticize the conspiracy nuts without reference to the other side (partisanship as a term implies there are multiple sides to what is being discussed). 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 years ago
This is not a "both sides" situation, which a reference purely to party "partisanship" would imply. 

A reference to partisanship does not imply that for every GoP uber-partisan willing to "do what it takes" there is a corresponding D uber-partisan.   I am not aware of any stats on this.   You are reading that in all on your own.   Again, this is obnoxious.

My reference to partisanship is pointing out how uber-partisanship can drive people to do stupid / dishonest things.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 years ago
It would be nice if you could criticize the conspiracy nuts without reference to the other side (partisanship as a term implies there are multiple sides to what is being discussed).

Exactly, partisanship in the US, preposterous. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 years ago
It would be nice if you could criticize the conspiracy nuts without reference to the other side (partisanship as a term implies there are multiple sides to what is being discussed). 

The mere use of the word 'partisanship' triggers your 'both sides-ism' obsession?   

Look at what you are doing right here.   You are on my case about referencing the D party yet I made no such reference.   It is all coming from you.

Out of curiosity, is it your position that there are no D partisans or no D uber-partisans??

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.7    2 years ago
Look at what you are doing right here.   You are on my case about referencing the D party yet I made no such reference.   It is all coming from you.

Have any Democrats been accused of tampering with voting machines in such a way? The issue with almost all of this election related tampering is the Republicans, not "partisanship". 

I am off this seed. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.9  evilone  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 years ago
OK, you tell us about all the Democrats who have tampered with voting equipment.

Do understand what the word partisan means? It transcends the one action you want to hyper-partisanly focus on. Your posts here deflect from the focus you, yourself want everyone to be keyed on.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.8    2 years ago
Have any Democrats been accused of tampering with voting machines in such a way?

Accused?   No doubt.   Actually do it?   I have no evidence that any D has done this.   But again JR, this seed and my comments are in regard to this particular GoP operative.

The issue with almost all of this election related tampering is the Republicans, not "partisanship". 

My position is that in this specific case, the operative was driven by uber-partisanship to try to cheat.    Disagree as you wish, but cease attempting to twist my point into a declaration that "both sides are equal".   

Now, that said yet again, there is nothing whatsoever stopping an uber-partisan D from trying to cheat an election.   You recognize that, right?   The motivation for cheating is not that they are affiliated with a particular party but that they believe it is so important that their party 'win' that they are willing to cheat to achieve this.   Surely you are not going to suggest that this 'end justifies the means' philosophy is strictly a GoP phenomenon.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1.11  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago

Is tampering somehow worse than just bribing the workers to change or add votes? 

Former U.S. Congressman and Philadelphia Political Operative Sentenced to 30 Months in Prison for Election Fraud

Former U.S. Congressman and Philadelphia Political Operative Sentenced to 30 Months in Prison for Election Fraud | USAO-EDPA | Department of Justice

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  George @5.1.11    2 years ago

Dems have no reason to act virtuous...

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.2  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @5    2 years ago
Partisanship rots the soul and hampers critical thinking.

One's thinking would already be hampered to fall prey to hyper-partisanship in the first place. As with religion it takes no thought, no logic, or no ethics - only faith one is on the correct path. Then like some flavors of religion any questions renders one an enemy. It's funny when it's their own, but tragic when it's everyone else.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
6  squiggy    2 years ago

"...after a witness saw him inserting a USB drive into an electronic poll book..."

It looks more like stealing data than trying to manipulate it - which is some weird reassurance since the simple appearance of impropriety is alarming.

 
 

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