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Georgia GOP Senate Candidate Herschel Walker: "I'm Native American"

  
Via:  Kavika  •  2 years ago  •  69 comments

By:   Native News Online

Georgia GOP Senate Candidate Herschel Walker:  "I'm Native American"
Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker has made many exaggerated claims throughout the 2022 election cycle—from his statement that "too much money is going to trees" to his false claims that he was a high school valedictorian and that he "spent tim...

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Details By Native News Online Staff October 12, 2022

Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker has made many exaggerated claims throughout the 2022 election cycle—from his statement that "too much money is going to trees" to his false claims that he was a high school valedictorian and that he "spent time at Quantico at the FBI training school."

One of his latest claims, though, is sure to raise a few eyebrows in Indian Country.

At a September campaign rally in the town of Forsyth, Georgia, the former college and NFL football player was caught on tape making the claim that his grandmother "was full-blood Cherokee."

"So, I'm Native American," Walker said.

This isn't the first time Walker has claimed Native American ancestry, according to a story published by HuffPost. At a January campaign event at the University of Georgia, Walker said he had just found out that his mother is "40% Native American."

Walker continued to make claims about his alleged Native heritage at campaign stops in May and June, according to the HuffPost report. But he hasn't offered any evidence to support his claims of Cherokee ancestors, even as his mother disputed Walker's claims of Cherokee blood.

HuffPost said it reached out to all three of the federally recognized Cherokee tribes in the U.S. ― Cherokee Nation, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians and the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians ― to see if they had any records that could validate Walker's claims.

Two of the tribes did not respond, but a spokesperson for Cherokee Nation said the Tribe had no record of Walker in its database of citizens.

Walker's campaign did not respond to a HuffPost request for comment about his claims of being part Cherokee or to a request for evidence that his grandmother was full-blooded Cherokee.

Walker, who is endorsed by former President Donald Trump, faces incumbent Sen. Raphael G. Warnock, a Democrat, in the November election.

Watch the video of Walker claiming to be Native American:

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Kavika
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1  seeder  Kavika     2 years ago

There is a saying among Indians that all wannabes have a Cherokee grandmother. 

Is he the real deal or just another wannabe? I would guess that since he is making that claim that he is an enrolled member of one of the three Cherokee bands...The first one, The Cherokee Nation says that they have no record of him on their rolls. The other two have not responded yet. 

If he is telling the truth then he can trace his ancestry to the Dawes rolls provide a tribal enrollment ID and he should have a CDIB if lacking any of these then his claim is that of another wannabe. 

Time will tell.

 
 
 
Revillug
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1.1  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @1    2 years ago
There is a saying among Indians that all wannabes have a Cherokee grandmother. 

Paging Senator Warren...

EDIT: for clarity, I actually like Senator Warren and the notable work she has done, particularly on poverty and predatory banking.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @1    2 years ago

My ex-wife's family always claimed to be part NA from the Choctaw tribe.  Her brother even used this heritage to advantage while getting State jobs but when my youngest son had his dna done on 23 and me it came back with 0 NA heritage what so ever.  I don't think they were trying to get over on anybody.  I think they honestly believed it was true.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    2 years ago

Family stores spread through the years many times leads to this Steevie. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago

Where did we see this before?   Oh, yeah - Elizabeth Warren

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 years ago
Where did we see this before?   Oh, yeah - Elizabeth Warren

Which has nothing to do with this article, nice try at deflecting but good to know that you think that he is faking it.

That would be two votes, you and Ronin in the Wannabe column.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2.1    2 years ago

That's all he has kav - deflection, along with projection and denial.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 years ago

For someone that is always claiming TDS I guess we could say that he has WDS.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.1    2 years ago
Which has nothing to do with this article

Has a lot to do with this article.  Only difference is the political party.  One party does it and nothing.  The other and it's freak out time.  Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.1.2    2 years ago

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Kavika
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2.1.5  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.3    2 years ago

Can you produce anything where I supported Warren? No, you can't so best to try another tactic.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.6  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.4    2 years ago

Since I'm the author and seeder of the article I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. That is how it works.

But if you want to make a point of it I can simply delete it and again point out that you're a hypocrite.

Also off topic on all of your comments which if I chose to I can delete all of your comments.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.4    2 years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.1.5    2 years ago
Can you produce anything where I supported Warren?

I see we are using projection now.  I never said you specifically.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.1.6    2 years ago

Since the topic is false claims of being Native American, my comments are on topic.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.1.7    2 years ago

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Kavika
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2.1.11  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.8    2 years ago
I see we are using projection now.  I never said you specifically.  

If that is what you see you best get glasses.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.12  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.9    2 years ago
Since the topic is false claims of being Native American, my comments are on topic.  

No, the topic is Walker false claims. Another swing and a miss. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.13  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 years ago
deflection, along with projection and denial.

And likely way too many football concussions.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.14  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @2.1.13    2 years ago

Sandy, how is referencing Walker's football career skirting the CoC?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @2.1.14    2 years ago

Tessy's comment was directed at a member, not at Walker.  When you add on to her comment, that is aimed at a member.  Walker is fair game.  Other members are not.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.17  cjcold  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.15    2 years ago

Sorry, that was not my intent. I was speaking of Walker only.

Should have tried to fit that comment in somewhere else.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 years ago
Where did we see this before?   Oh, yeah - Elizabeth Warren

Except Warren proved hers through a DNA test.  Herschel, not so much.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    2 years ago

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George
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2.2.2  George  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    2 years ago

The paper originally reported that the probability of Warren's Native American ancestry ranges from 1/32 to 1/512, but now reports the low end of that range is actually 1/1,024.

probability! I have sub-Saharan DNA in my profile, at a higher level than lying Liz ever had. But I’m sure as shit not going to claim minority status to get ahead.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    2 years ago

Let's get back to the topic Ozzwald. Thanks.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.1    2 years ago

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Ozzwald
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2.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  George @2.2.2    2 years ago

probability! I have sub-Saharan DNA in my profile, at a higher level than lying Liz ever had. But I’m sure as shit not going to claim minority status to get ahead.

Did she ever claim a percentage?

 
 
 
George
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2.2.6  George  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    2 years ago

You do know there is a standard that is required to claim to be Cherokee? Right?

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.7  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @2.2.6    2 years ago
You do know there is a standard that is required to claim to be Cherokee? Right?

There is no blood quantum requirement with the Cherokee Tribe. Give it up George you have no idea what you're talking about or to keep us all laughing you can keep embarrassing yourself, it's your choice.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.2.8  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @2.2.2    2 years ago

Bill John Baker principal chief of the Cherokee Nation elected in 2011 was 1/32 Cherokee.

Chief Solomon Bibo of the Acoma Pueblo had NO native blood.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  George @2.2.6    2 years ago
You do know there is a standard that is required to claim to be Cherokee? Right?

Please link it.  I won't be holding my breath.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    2 years ago

I was watching a video of Christian nationalist weirdo Dennis Prager having a debate with the hosts of The Young Turks. The topic turned to the way conservatives grovel in front of Trump and ted Cruz was mentioned. Prager was asked about Cruz endorsing Trump in 2016 one day after he called Trump a psychopath after Trump called Cruz' wife ugly and alleged Cruz' father had helped assassinate JFK. 

I will paraphrase Prager's answer and what he said was that Cruz loves his country more than he takes offense at Trump calling his wife ugly. Prager went on to say that Trump was a great president, which evidently means people should grovel before him if that is what it takes to have him in office. He also said that if Trump called his wife ugly she would happily vote for him anyway because she loves her country. 

The Trump cult will vote for Herschel Walker no matter what. Walker could shoot people on the front steps of the Atlanta Art Museum , with a hundred people filming it, and MAGA would still vote for him, supposedly because they "love" America so much. 

It is not a surprise that he claims to be native American. 

 At a January campaign event at the University of Georgia, Walker said he had just found out that his mother is "40% Native American."

He's 50 something years old and he "just found out" that his own mother is almost half Native American? Ridiculous. The only way he could have just found that out is if he hasnt talked to her for the past 45 years.  I think someone could be a small part Indian, or some other ethnicity and maybe not know it or have been told about it. But 40% and did not know it. No chance. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 years ago

Walker claimed that his grandmother was 100% Cherokee so now his mum is 40%. His mum doesn't agree with him on this and she would know if she was 40% or whatever percent.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @3.1    2 years ago

So his mother's mother was 100% Cherokee and she never mentioned it to her daughter or grandson? Utterly absurd. Or is the story supposed to be that even the 100% Cherokee grandmother didnt know she was an Indian? 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @3.1    2 years ago

I'm no geneticist nor am I a mathematician but wouldn't the daughter of a 100% Cherokee be 50% Cherokee?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  SteevieGee @3.1.2    2 years ago

I think DNA uses that Common Core Math

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  SteevieGee @3.1.2    2 years ago

Yes, it would Steevie. 100% Indian marries a non-indian their off spring are 50% NA. 

 
 
 
George
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4  George    2 years ago

Maybe he is a descendant of slaves held by the Cherokee’s. It’s not like the owners never raped their slaves.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @4    2 years ago
Maybe he is a descendant of slaves held by the Cherokee’s. It’s not like the owners never raped their slaves.

Nice try George, but once again you simply don't know what you're talking about. If that were true he would be a member of the Cherokee Freemen who by US and Cherokee law are Cherokee citizens. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.1  George  replied to  Kavika @4.1    2 years ago

Flagged for trolling, the Cherokee can’t keep records of their own people straight, that’s how Warren got away with it for so long, to think they kept accurate records of the slaves they raped is laughable at best. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.2  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @4.1.1    2 years ago
Flagged for trolling, the Cherokee can’t keep records of their own people straight, that’s how Warren got away with it for so long, to think they kept accurate records of the slaves they raped is laughable at best. 

My, you really don't understand this at all. Keep swinging your bound to hit the ball sometime in the future.

The Cherokee Nation was one of the first to call Warren out on it. Really, try to keep up.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.3  George  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    2 years ago

Do you see Warren anywhere in my comments to you? How about you quit deflecting. The Cherokee kept crap records period! We have no idea if Walker is lying, 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.1.4  evilone  replied to  George @4.1.1    2 years ago
Maybe he is a descendant of slave....to think they kept accurate records of the slaves they raped is laughable at best.

Just leap to full bigotry out of the gate. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.5  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @4.1.3    2 years ago

You keep showing your ignorance on the subject. The Cherokee don't keep the Dawes rolls which is the way Cherokee enrollment is determined that is the US government.

Now, get on topic or leave.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.1.6  evilone  replied to  George @4.1.3    2 years ago
Do you see Warren anywhere in my comments to you?

Yes. @4.1.1 you said:

...that’s how Warren got away with it for so long...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  George @4.1.3    2 years ago

The article says Walker claims his grandmother was a "full blooded Cherokee". That would make his mother , at least, a sizeable percentage Cherokee. And his grandmother never mentioned this to him? What about his mother? Surely his mother would have known it if her own mother was a full blooded Cherokee. But Walker is "just finding out" ?  It is ridiculous on the face of it. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.8  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    2 years ago

And this is your comment re Warren.

that’s how Warren got away with it for so long...

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.9  George  replied to  Kavika @4.1.8    2 years ago

I stand corrected.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.10  George  replied to  evilone @4.1.4    2 years ago

How is that bigotry, please be specific. It is historic fact that slaves were routinely abused both physically and sexually.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.11  seeder  Kavika   replied to  George @4.1.9    2 years ago
I stand corrected.

Yes, you have been on most of your comments.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5  seeder  Kavika     2 years ago

I have to leave for an hour or so, so I'm locking the article until I get back.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  seeder  Kavika     2 years ago

The article is unlocked.

 
 
 
Blessed Be The Fruit
Freshman Silent
7  Blessed Be The Fruit     2 years ago

I pretended Liz Warren was Native America and I learned my lesson. I'd just tell your voters you are Irish, it will work better.

 
 
 
Revillug
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7.1  Revillug  replied to  Blessed Be The Fruit @7    2 years ago

Black Irish?

That's a myth.

 
 
 
Revillug
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8  Revillug    2 years ago

An awful lot of African Americans have family lore about being part Native American.

And many of those stories have truth to them.

Herschel Walker, on the other hand, is a well documented pathological liar. Add this latest reveal from him to the queue of Herschel Walker BS that needs to be debunked.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Revillug @8    2 years ago

Yes, some blacks have NA blood but claiming that it is true and actually being true are two totally different things. It takes much more than making a claim to actually being ''Indian''. 

DNA testing and research has provided some data about the extent of Native American ancestry among African Americans, which varies in the general population. Based on the work of geneticists , Harvard University historian Henry Louis Gates, Jr. hosted a popular, and at times controversial, PBS series, African American Lives , in which geneticists said DNA evidence shows that Native American ancestry is far less common among African Americans than previously believed. [67] Their conclusions were that while almost all African Americans are racially mixed, and many have family stories of Native heritage, usually these stories turn out to be inaccurate, [68] [69] [70] with only 5 percent of African American people showing more than 2 percent Native American ancestry. [68] Gates summarized these statistics to mean that, "If you have 2 percent Native American ancestry, you had one such ancestor on your family tree five to nine generations back (150 to 270 years ago)." [68] Their findings also concluded that the most common "non-black" mix among African Americans is English and Scots-Irish . [70] Some critics thought the PBS series did not sufficiently explain the limitations of DNA testing for assessment of heritage. [71]

People making these claims do damage to people that actually are of mixed heritage like the Freedmen of the 5 tribes. In our tribe there is Mary Edmonia  Lewis (Ojibwe black) a world-famous sculptor.

If Walker truly is NA and by his comments, he would at least 25% based on the lineage he gave. They prove it or STFU. 

Why people make this claim if they do not have NA blood is a mystery to me. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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8.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @8.1    2 years ago

Seems easy to prove to me.  I'd bet we never see any of that proof though.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.1    2 years ago

It takes a simple DNA test. That's how I find out that there is no NA blood in my veins at all, even tho I heard stories about it all my life

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.1    2 years ago

No, we won't see any proof, SteevieGee.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.2    2 years ago

I took a DNA test and they said I was Indian, not only that but a really old Indian, in fact probably the oldest NA DNA they ever found. I asked them if being a shapeshifter had anything to do with it. Funny they all ran out of the room and then the building. 

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @8.1.4    2 years ago

You never told that story. That's awesome and a little creepy

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.6  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.5    2 years ago

Not creepy at all more like a little scaley.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @8.1.6    2 years ago

I didn't see the picture when I wrote my comment.

Is that the definition of a fish face?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.8  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.7    2 years ago

Ginebigozhaga'ay, snake skin.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.9  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.7    2 years ago
I didn't see the picture when I wrote my comment.

That is because I'm a shapeshifter and is was between shapes at the time.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @8.1.9    2 years ago

didn't see your comment about snake skin

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Participates
8.1.11  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @8.1    2 years ago
Why people make this claim if they do not have NA blood is a mystery to me. 

A lot of us have a murky understanding of our heritage whether we are white, black, or anything else. I don't know much about my great grandparents and although I am almost certainly a mixture of Catholic Irish and Protestant Scottish or Protestant Anglo-Irish ancestry it is not clear at which generation the intermarriage took place. It seems like most of my family emigrated from Ireland in the 20th century and I know nothing about where they came from in Ireland. I poked around ancestry.com but nobody else had left any major clues there. Shrug. It's just not that important. 

African Americans regularly run into a lot of frustration tracing their heritage. Birth records were not kept during slavery. They were merely cataloged as property, usually without names. This is a quite an indignity because many African Americans have blood lines in North America going back 400 hundred years as opposed to most white people like myself whose lines on this continent merely go back a 100 or 200 years, at best.

Perhaps it is a bit of a salve to the indignity I just described to imagine that one's blood lines on this continent run back not only 400 years but 15,000 years?

 
 

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