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Following Supreme Court’s Lead, Judge Finds Right to Remove Serial Numbers From Guns

  
Via:  Ender  •  2 years ago  •  22 comments

By:   MARK JOSEPH STERN

Following Supreme Court’s Lead, Judge Finds Right to Remove Serial Numbers From Guns
 

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For decades, federal law has forbidden gun owners from scratching out the serial numbers that manufacturers are legally required to place on firearms. The reason is obvious: These serial numbers help state and federal law enforcement   trace guns   that are used in crimes and identify suspected shooters. Indeed, the only apparent reason anyone would remove a serial number is to avoid becoming a suspect after their gun is used illegally. On Wednesday, however, a federal judge   ruled   that the law prohibiting alteration of serial numbers violates the Second Amendment. Why? Because serial numbers were virtually nonexistent when the amendment was ratified in 1791, so the government has no power to mandate them today.

This decision in   United States v. Price   by U.S. District Judge Joseph R. Goodwin, a Bill Clinton appointee, may sound shocking. But it is a perfectly plausible application of the Supreme Court’s June ruling in   New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen . In that case, Justice Clarence Thomas declared all gun restrictions   presumptively unconstitutional   if they infringe on “the individual right to armed self-defense.” (The Constitution says nothing about “self-defense,” but Thomas gleaned this right from its   penumbra .) A gun restriction may only survive legal scrutiny, the justice declared, if it had an “analogue” in 1791, when the Second Amendment was ratified, or 1868, when it was imposed on the states. The burden falls on the government to prove the existence of a historical analogue.

Thomas’ test has already wreaked havoc in the lower courts. One judge has   struck down   a Texas law that prohibits 18 to 20-year-olds from carrying a handgun outside the home. People under 21 are   significantly more likely   to commit gun homicides —but in   Bruen , Thomas announced that courts may never consider the real-world, life-saving impact of gun safety laws when gauging their constitutionality. A different Texas judge   invalidated   a federal law barring individuals from purchasing a handgun while they’re under indictment, even for a violent felony offense. Just last week, another judge   struck down New York’s ban   on concealed carry in airports, train stations, domestic violence shelters, summer camps, the subway, and other “sensitive locations.” Now Goodwin, who sits in West Virginia, has joined the chorus of lower court judges who feel that   Bruen   obliges them to strike down longstanding, widely accepted firearm laws.

Goodwin’s conclusion might sound bizarre, but his analysis closely follows Thomas’ test. First, he asked whether the federal ban on possession of a gun with an “obliterated” serial number infringes on the right to self-defense. He found that it does, presenting the hypothetical example of a father who buys a gun, removes the serial number, dies, and leaves it to her daughter. Both father and daughter’s ownership of the firearm would be a federal crime. And that, Goodwin wrote, “is the definition of an infringement on one’s right to possess a firearm.”

The only remaining question is whether the government could find an analogous regulation from 1791 or 1868 that restricted the possession of guns with an altered serial number. It could not, for a fairly obvious reason: Serial numbers only became common following the mass production of firearms, which took off in the decades after the Civil War. Federal law did not compel any manufacturers to use them until 1934. And Congress did not require almost all guns to include a serial number until 1968, when it determined (correctly) that they would facilitate the investigation of violent crime. These laws proved helpful in the government’s mission “to attack the black market in firearms” and track down individuals who used firearms to commit crimes. Yet serial numbers were largely unknown to the Framers, Goodwin wrote. And so the Second Amendment confers a right to remove them from modern weapons.

Goodwin acknowledged the “argument” that “firearms with an obliterated serial number are likely to be used in violent crime and therefore a prohibition on their possession is desirable.” But he explained that this argument “is the exact type of means-end reasoning the Supreme Court has forbidden me from considering.” Even if the serial number law demonstrably saved tens of thousands of lives each year, that fact would be totally irrelevant to the constitutional analysis.

These laws almost certainly   do   save lives. When law enforcement officers recover a weapon from a crime, they   check its serial number   against a federal database. The results can help them   track down   the last known seller and buyer of the firearm, who may provide information that’s critical to the investigation. It might lead them straight to the suspect if he bought the gun legally. If not—if he stole the weapon, for instance—the serial number will lead law enforcement to the last known owner, who can provide information about the theft that could lead to the suspect’s eventual arrest. The lack of a serial number is a major reason why   ghost guns are so dangerous , and why they are   becoming a ubiquitous tool   in violent crimes: Criminals   exploit   their untraceability   to elude detection.

Under   Bruen , though, none of this matters. All that counts is that serial number laws arose over the last century, so they are too modern to comport with the Second Amendment. Goodwin made this point over and over again; it almost sounded like he was quietly protesting the extreme and dangerous results demanded by the   Bruen   test. Lower courts, of course, must adhere to the Supreme Court’s decisions, and Goodwin did so respectfully and comprehensively. In the process, though, he repeatedly reminded readers that he had no choice but to follow   Bruen   to its outrageous logical endpoint. His decision thus doubled as a warning: The Supreme Court’s Second Amendment jurisprudence has grown so radical that it now shields criminals trying to conceal their involvement in a violent crime.

In other words, Goodwin has teed up a perfect test case to see whether the conservative justices are truly ready to embrace the deadly and devastating consequences of their own   revolutionary ruling .


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Ender
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1  seeder  Ender    2 years ago

So there can be no laws or regulations that were not on the books two hundred years ago....

Thanks conservatives....s/

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @1    2 years ago

Then how do they make laws regarding speed limits and stop signs?

Computer crimes? Cable stealing? The F fucking CC? (that's the Federal Communications Commision in case you didn't know it)

We have all kinds of laws today that would have had no relevance in 1791. What the fuck is wrong with people

(did I use too many fucks in one comment?)

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    2 years ago

I read a couple of comments on MSN and they were saying it doesn't matter because it will not stop crime...

All I could think is people are indeed morons.

They are not meant to stop crimes, they are meant to solve them...

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    2 years ago
did I use too many fucks in one comment?)

No, you forgot the dumb ass fucking judge.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @1.1.2    2 years ago

sorry I won't let that happen again

 
 
 
Veronica
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3  Veronica    2 years ago

I do not remember serial numbers mentioned ONCE in the Constitution.   Can we start taking the VIN off our cars?  Can we stop using our social security numbers?  

Just wondering.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4  Kavika     2 years ago

Brilliant decision, now i can sand off the serial numbers of my musket...//s

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4    2 years ago

Musket?  I see you as more of a war club man.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1    2 years ago

Naw, throwing knives is my specialty.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5  CB    2 years ago
Thomas announced that courts may never consider the real-world, life-saving impact of gun safety laws when gauging their constitutionality.

Therefore, the constitution is "All." Real-world, life-saving impact be damned.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  Buzz of the Orient    2 years ago

I used to love America, been through so much of it, even owned a home in Florida for a while.  Now I wouldn't step one foot in that dangerous cesspool.  What the hell is the matter with so many of the people there?  Is it all because of greed?  Lack of a decent education?  No discipline from parents?  Just plain ignorance?  What is it?  What happened?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7  Thrawn 31    2 years ago

Cuz fuck it, if it isn't explicitly stated in the constitution it should be permitted/banned. I am sure that is EXACTLY what the founders envisioned. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8  Hal A. Lujah    2 years ago

It won’t matter anyways.  There was a segment on ghost guns on vice news a while back.  People are just 3d printing the parts by the truck load now.  There is no way to stop guns in America now.  Our kids will live a life of hopefully dodging bullets.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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9  Hal A. Lujah    2 years ago

It won’t matter anyways.  There was a segment on ghost guns on vice news a while back.  People are just 3d printing the parts by the truck load now.  There is no way to stop guns in America now.  Our kids will live a life of (hopefully) dodging bullets.

 
 

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