Retired military leaders warn of threat if Supreme Court finds Trump is immune
By: Jordan Rubin (MSNBC. com)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Former military leaders are sounding the alarm ahead of Donald Trump's Supreme Court immunity hearing later this month. Retired four-star admirals and generals, along with former secretaries of the U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force, want to warn the justices about the dangers of his presidential immunity claim.
Unless Trump's theory is rejected, they wrote in an amicus brief, "we risk jeopardizing America's standing as a guardian of democracy in the world and further feeding the spread of authoritarianism, thereby threatening the national security of the United States and democracies around the world."
Oral argument in Washington is set for April 25. Meanwhile, Trump's federal election interference case is on hold pending the high court's ruling. Even if the justices rule against the former president, depending on when and how they rule exactly, their decision to take up the appeal and set it for a hearing in late April could effectively immunize him. That's because Trump could win the presidential election in November before even standing trial and use his reacquired presidential power to crush the case.
Memorably, at the federal appeals court argument earlier this year, a judge raised the prospect that, if presidents are immune from prosecution as Trump claims, then they could order the military to murder their political rivals.
Memorably, at the federal appeals court argument earlier this year, a judge raised the prospect that, if presidents are immune from prosecution as Trump claims, then they could order the military to murder their political rivals. The presumptive GOP presidential nominee's lawyer didn't have a good answer to that nightmare scenario under his immunity theory.
On that note, in their amicus brief filed Monday, the retired military leaders wrote that Trump's theory "has the potential to severely undermine the Commander-in-Chief's legal and moral authority to lead the military forces, as it would signal that they but not he must obey the rule of law."
The filing comes alongside several other amicus briefs supporting special counsel Jack Smith's position. It's hard to think that a majority of the Supreme Court would endorse a view that grants presidents the authority to order a rival's murder without criminal consequence. But this latest filing highlights the broader dangers at stake to the military and the nation itself.
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They know whereof they speak.
Agree.
americans like these are the last line of defense against a fascist like trump.
Everyone who worked for Trump and knows he would be a disaster if he was elected again needs to speak up NOW.
They're the true patriots - not the former 'president' traitor and his magats
America is just a hop, skip and a jump away from fascism.
Trump and his low IQ fascists need to be nipped in the bud.
I agree. January 6, 2021 was a "wake the "F" up U.S." moment. It was Trump's "brigade" putting the world on notice that they are here and they are not planning on going away. After this, his brigade is looking for an opening; a chance to test the separate and combined loyalties of the country's majority of law enforcement officers and military. Even if it is just to get one or both forces to stand down and stay down while MAGAs revolt.
It is clear as day is light and night is dark. . . we have found 'natural' enemies inside the walls. . . . They are not listening to us, barely are talking to us, and are keeping a great many of their plans hidden until they are ready to reveal (them).
BTW, we can keep the country we love through "all" of this mess that we are presently end. . .and, safely and prosperously come out the other side. . . but we must be vigilant and 'nimble.'
One more thing. We have a former president who is treating himself like a man stuffed to the gills with political explosives. . . waiting and pleading with SCOTUS to give him a politically lit immunity matchstick!
Trump's Hitler youth
... youth?
a lot of maga is the spawn of the greatest generation that so was busy killing fascists in WWII, they didn't notice their kids becoming fascists...
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So everyone but the former 'president' is lying.
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yes Vic, they are all just more of those piling on the witch hunt, where as the greatest conspiracy in all the world has every aspect of our illegal system all picking on your favorite little GOP , election wannabee winner
Signatories include former CIA Director Michael Hayden, retired Adm. Thad Allen and retired Gens. George Casey, Carlton Fulford, Craig McKinley and Charles Krulak. Complete list and the brief:
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They did throw in a disclaimer: “We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails … are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement — just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”
Some men got have been persuaded to think Russians finding it hard to believe that Hunter could be so careless and stupid.
They were however Biden supporters, the same isn’t true he, some were appointed or promoted by Trump.
is this someone's quote ? As i see quotation marks on the disclaimer, but am curious who writes like this unless to make a point ...
No my careless typing on the smart phone while riding a bus and squinting in the sunlight - sorry.
ll good, and now understood, but you can see where with such blatant abuse of the English language( something perhaps I am familiar with ) I thought there was a point being subtly implied, or was it inferred, doesn't matter at this point, but Vic may care. Always find it a sign of good, when one is corrected by another with whom they usually share similar takes on things, for it lets the truth shine, from different angles, acutely obtuse, or sometimes right, either way, I support it for all sides, not just B sides, cause they aren't played often enough, imho
Appreciate you calling it out, I have a bad habit of not proofreading before posting.
See 1.3.1
The NY Post as your unimpeachable source?
The NY Post as your unimpeachable source?
This is the emoji I meant to use but cannot edit my comments
perhaps, except for this one (my response to B Sides not being played often enuff)
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It's HIGHLY unlikely they will find him immune. It would create a path to dictators in the US if presidents are immune from committing crimes.
I agree, but Alito and Thomas might like to try.
Yes, it would.
try to look at the bright side. if trump destroys constitutional due process and the rule of law, it could possibly become pretty difficult for maga to ever achieve a quorum anywhere in order to legislate.
guess all that bleach didn't get it done...
the dose was too small...
Trump should have injected a gallon of bleach. The world would be a much better place.
directly into the jugular...
Is will CREATE a dictatorship if presidents are immune to the rule of law.
that's trump's goal...
that and looting the US treasury....
There is nothing in the Treasury to loot except for IOUs.
You may be onto something. Trump is really fond of gold and the US Treasury is currently holding nine hundred tons of gold. Which is by far the most of any nation in the entire world...
that's as close as he'll ever get to streaming on any platform he owns...
Retired four-star admirals and generals, along with former secretaries of the U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force, want to warn the justices about the dangers of his presidential immunity claim.
So the thought is the court should not rule on the law but on the fears of some retired military leaders who said that Trump's theory "has the potential to severely undermine the Commander-in-Chief's legal and moral authority to lead the military forces, as it would signal that they but not he must obey the rule of law." Makes one wonder if they know how the Supreme Court is supposed to work and where they got their constitutional law degree.
Not even remotely the case.
Then why a warning to the judges if not to try and sway their decision?
Don't you think the Justices are better off knowing all the ways a psycho like Trump could fck this country up ? Cause if elected, guaranteed he will
Anyone has the right to file an amicus brief with the Supreme Court and make their opinion known.
No, the judges are supposed to rule on the law, this is not a trial about Trump specifically
Sure, and they are warning the judges specifically about Trump, not the dangers of immunity in general.
So? Cases are decided based on the facts as well as the law. This case is based on Trump's claim for absolute immunity. Of course factual issues related to Trump, as well as general legal principles, are pertinent.
I don't believe there is anything about the amicus brief that stands outside the Constitution.
Every one of the justices knows that the immediate application of their ruling is on Trump.
Further, there is nothing at all wrong with the justices considering Trump as a fine example of just how far a PotUS might go. Trump had demonstrated that simply being elected PotUS does not mean the individual is responsible, ethical, and trustworthy with their power.
The far right 'wing scotus no longer deserves any respect.
I called 2016 wrong. When Trump snuck in with his Electoral College win what made me most sick were the implications for our courts, and especially the Supreme Court. My worst fears came to pass and our republic remains in the balance.
Trump will be in court Monday. May his judgement be fair...
Or willing to follow any rule, oath, or other restriction on his power.
Fair means he goes to prison for the rest of his life.
... with a daily beating in the pod common area for switching the TV channel to FOX.
and a 400 pound boyfriend named tiny...
The 400 lb bookie and coke dealer from OKC named Tiny?
He is a sweetheart. Somebody told me he had come out...
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I guess we'll never know now...
... since one of his butt puppets got deleted.
Of course they don't!
Obviously none of them as not nearly as experienced in government-- or as wise-- as you are!
(So you have every right to wonder!!!! )
Google is your friend.
I don't believe that the justices will find him immune the ramifications of that would be catastrophe at best.
If the Supreme Court were to agree with Trump's immunity argument it would be antithetical to the founding principles of American democracy.
They are only entertaining it to give Trump his much needed delay and cover, with say some possible culpable deniability.
Between they and Cannon, they're making a mockery of our system, imho.
it would give the orange menace carte blanche if he was to be elected again...
Well they've already removed a woman's right to privacy with her doctor, allowing states to try and force a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy.
They've also allowed religious beliefs to trump peoples rights to not be discriminated against.
What's one more antithetical ruling?
Sad that so many right wingers were dropped on their heads as baby's.
their mothers probably knew...
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Of course they're going to. To not do so would open a whole Pandoras box.
Assuming you mean that the SCotUS is going to rule that Trump is NOT immune, why do you suppose they decided to hear this case?
After all, if the SCotUS granted presidents this level of immunity that would indeed open Pandoras box — and they already know this.
It would have been best to NOT hear this case and let the lower court's ruling stand. So why are they hearing this case?
The appellate opinion was masterful and stood on its own without the need for the Supreme Court to intervene.
They denied the government's motion to bring the case directly to the Supreme Court for a speedy resolution of the issue and ordered that it be heard by the appellate court. The appellate court issued its outstanding opinion and ruling, and then the Supreme Court decided to hear the case and delayed their hearing until the last day of oral arguments before the Supreme Court. Something is definitely wrong.
Exactly. And the decision of the appellate court was obviously correct. Trump's motion was absurd.
Yes. And will any Trump supporters acknowledge this? (rhetorical)
You should ask Special Counsel Jack Smith. He laid out a litany of reasons why the Supreme Court should decide this.
Most informed commenters I've seen thought it simplistic and faulted it for glossing over the distinction between official and unofficial duties. Only partisan democrats seem to think it's adequate and for purely political reasons (the artificial election deadline of course)
If that is their position, the "informed commentators" you've seen would be, at best, political hacks. Truly informed commentators almost universally agree that the appellate court's opinion was outstanding.
Why do you engage in sophistry like this? You know that Smith made his request prior to the appellate court hearing and for a very good reason — expediency.
Smith argued that the SCotUS should hear the case directly and not go to the appellate court because he knew that the decision by the court would be appealed and that this would wind up in their laps anyway.
They rejected his request and forced the appellate process. The appellate court denied Trump's absurd motion. Trump then, as Smith predicted, appealed to the SCotUS.
The SCotUS could NOW uphold the appellate court's decision by not hearing the case. Or it could hear the case.
Why are they hearing the case? Do they think the appellate court got it wrong ... that Trump has his absurd immunity?
A recent concise analysis:
The former 'president's' legal strategy is as follows: First he lies, then he denies, then he delays.
Pretty much what he has done. Only the lying continues throughout.
To me, and I heard this on the news on one of the cable news shows some time ago, it could be the justices want to detail what/when/where circumstance a president is immune from prosecution charges. I don't think the court has ever engaged in this type of 'exercise.' And so they are intrigued by the 'offer.' It reminds me of what Justice Scalia considered himself doing in "settling" the second amendment "question" with his opining on it. They, the justices, are seeking to set a precedent that stands.
I doubt it. If they were so keen to spend their time laying this all out (especially when the lack of a decision is directly delaying justice) they should have taken the case when Jack Smith first asked them to.
6 members of the SCOTUS bench are probably afraid if they rule in trump's favor for full immunity before 1/21/25, chances are pretty good that they'll get clipped within 24 hours...
TiG, to continue this a bit farther. . . in looking at the above order of the Supreme Court coupled with reading through the appeals court decision. . . where it references (points to ("calls out") past affirming cases of SCOTUS decisions) I could suggest that the reason SCOTUS is taking this case over "the Appeals" is the highest court (SCOTUS) wants to 'tidy up' those instances of its past opinions in regards to immunity cases and— in a way that the case can be applied to present and future presidents specifically .
And for whatever reason,. . . certainly not as a courtesy to the Special Counsel. . . or to speed or timeliness. . . the high court sees this as not an urgent "request" for which they should "upgrade" their prior schedule.
It is the lack of urgency that leads me to see this more as being complicit in the overall delay tactic of team Trump.
Surely the SCotUS is aware that by introducing these delays they seriously hinder the ability of the justice system to conduct a full and fair trial for the Jan 6 issues prior to the election. And they are also certainly aware that they can make a narrow ruling (e.g. in the case of Trump, his immunity argument has no merit) and thus (essentially not overruling the appellate court) let the justice system operate.
Of course, as I have noted, the mere fact that they took this case makes no sense to me. They are not going to grant Trump immunity yet are taking actions that could result in justice never being served.
Well yes. . .we will have to "hurry up and wait" it out for their opinion (which they carefully avoided disclosing in granting (Smith's) request for a stay.
The only other offering I can give relevant to this is that Trump's team has been 'running' January 6th related cases up to the Court and they are being dealt with in the order in which they come.
All that said, we must wait for a plain clarification.
Haven't you heard?
The justices are having their cake and eating it too
How so?
Read
Mmmmkay
LOL
did you eat the cake as well ?
No, nobody offered any.
Seems to be alot of tension over something that should be obvious.
Who is "they" and what do you suppose is in Pandora's Box ?
Pretty butterflies
Obama ordered the execution of an American citizen, he specifically targeted the American citizen without due process, it wasn’t self defense or an imminent threat. Here’s hoping that someday justice is served and the DOJ is as active in pursuing this prosecution as they have been others.
Is it your (gross mis-) understanding that Obama targeted this 16 year old son of a terrorist? That the Obama administration ordered the attack in order to kill this boy?
Assuming you are referring to Anwar al-Awaki, he was a member of Al Qaeda and, as such, an enemy combatant.
As the Supreme Court held regarding a German saboteur during WW2 who happened to be an American citizen: "Citizenship in the United States of an enemy belligerent does not relieve him from the consequences" (Ex Parte Quirin, 1942).
That doesn't stop reactionary propagandists from constantly besmirching Obama, of course.
Wow, you compare a country with a declared war killing a enemy combatant with a extrajudicial murder under the color of authority, so all trump has to do is declare a person an enemy combatant and you will be okay with it?
Plus from your article,
So he did receive a trial, military trial, he had counsel, and was sentenced after a trial.
And if this is an actual judicial opinion the judge who wrote it is either a moron or a piece of shit partisan who has no idea how our judicial process works, this is all the head up his ass example I need.
Anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass knows that in this country you don’t have to prove your innocence, the government has to prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Your overly gross misunderstanding of extra judicial drone strike killings of US citizens w/o due process would be laughable- if it wasn't the type of shit Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and other countries we pretend to be better than pull.
By the way it wasn't one American it was three.
Funny, don't remember the military or Democrats throwing a hissy fit over this? Guess if it is D in charge then anything goes.
There is your answer.
what were all those terrible things they've been saying about the CIA?
gee, that might alter some trumpster travel/vacation plans in the future... /s
Awesome sauce!
american laws only apply in america, it's terrritories, and it's embassies and consulates....
Don't we have the Bush administration to thank for all of that?
They weren't POWs...they were enemy combatants and they could lock them up indefinitely
The whole reason they created a prison in GITMO. Bringing them to the states afforded them rights they didn't get - including the right to a trial.
Al Qaeda wasn't representing a state, they were, non state actors who
Article 4 of the 1949 Geneva Convention requires the above.
Yep! Correct!
the longer the majority on SCOTUS delays their decision, the more complicit they become...
Fucking hilarious, the twisting and bending. ...
What the hell are you talking about?
personal comment history?
... another article that won't break double digits in comments?
the rwnj political version of speaking in tongues...
bibaduh, bibaduh, bibaduh, that's all folks...
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To the Trump defenders what about Obama, mammas,
When Trump gives that order to have Seal Team 6 take out that annoying disposable unadorable attacker of the deplorable (s), Is the Admiral or General going to be at risk of breaking the Law when political opponents are removed, or, will they all be charged, all while the douche bag Don boy gets to be immune ?
Cause the Military is Fckd! Damn if they do, damn if they don’t, cause they are in deep shit for refusing to carry out orders as well , so.
do tell !
that's why I have mixed some feelings about full presidential immunity, and obviously I'm totally against it. for example, if SCOTUS rules trump is immune from prosecution for anything he did while POTUS one day, the next day most of the trump's family could disappear along with the maga in congress and the SCOTUS judges that awarded him immunity. tsk, tsk, tsk, quite the conservative conundrum...
If the Supreme Court rules for Trump what stops Biden from putting a bounty on him?
Dead Or Alive!
A rational, decent mind.
... now rare on the right.
and the GOP has already given him an alibi on top, as his mind is so far gone, he didn't realize what he was doing....
I really like how you think . . . . .
See 7.1.4
thanks, 50+ years experience of fucking over fascists and thumpers...
... when they used to be affected by public humiliation.
... and had a conscience.
so far back nobody remembers
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We would have to borrow the money to pay it.
When did the U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force become democracies? Military 4 star brasshats are warning about authoritarian governance? The guardians of democracy want to put a boot on Trump's neck? Really?
Man, oh, man, you can't make this stuff up.
That would be a swing and a miss.
That is an astonishing comment displaying a complete lack of understanding about the American system of governance. The implication that the defenders of democracy don't value our system and aren't capable of reasoned judgment can be dismissed as blathering nonsense.
them's fighting words for anyone who has ever swore an oath to defend the Constitution and wore a uniform
Blathering nonsense is all some seem to utter.
access, motivation, and opportunity combined with the proper mindset to defend the constitution. the absolute last line of defense in our country.
They support and defend a democracy.
Yes, that's what they are doing in this SCOTUS review.
Just a guess, but they would rather put their boots up his ass.
You got it, if there was a movie predicting Trumps behavior, I'd never would have believed it.
As does every rational, thinking human being.
All right, I'll play along....
Well, maybe that should tell you something about Trump. They might realize that Trump is a threat to democracy.
I can't think of anywhere more appropriate for the guardians of democracy's boot to be.
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I would be stupid enough.
Would you be stupid enough to think that he can't ?
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This is in no way, an attack on the integrity of our military, what it is, is a fear that the enablers of Trump, have shown he can go further then any of them ever thought possible. Thus why the many who disavowed him previous, have only once again stated their support, when it should have always been ABORT!
Trumps' 2025 plan, where in it, he expels any and all he can, replacing them with women and 'YES' men, is evidence that Trump plans on not repeating his "mistakes" from Trump 1administration, where he had 'Adults' in the room to keep the A DOLT, from venturing too far, so whomever said Dolt does surround himself with, they will be of like sick thinking. And you should believe him.
If anyone told me, after January 6th we would still be threatened by this miscreant maniacal mucus with a deformed mem-brain in our upcoming 2024 Presidential election, i would have said their mind has an infection, for if taken are the statements of say so many Republicans, whose lives were put in harm's way that day, and that compilation of what they, the Republican Congress and Senate, along with the hunted Mike Pence had to say after that stand out day, it's hard not to notice, how short a memory, or just how Dense, feeble minds have become. Do you recall McConnel's words, as he wholly attributed the insurrection to be that of Donald Trump's origination, and i concur.
I find US A ll in straits so convoluted, that knot shore as to who might just salute it, cause just like so many times before, never thought Americans would allow such an impure, to infest our hallowed halls where so many fought so hard to keep one like Trump from ever ascending, and as i, and so many others watch in disbelief at the gullibility of so many others, i unfortunately cannot with certainty, state that our Military, is capable of containing one, who has brainwashed so many blinded constituents, the Republican Party, and possibly, our Suprem Court, to a way of thinking as if involved, was heavy drinking. If he somehow achieves another impossibility, as he has conquered so many of what i had once considered to be, in getting the Supreme Court to declare total immunity, how far off is he to be, from manipulating Military minds, whom already, may have tendencies to see like he's, been saw to have seen, without sight acutely keen, it has become the obscene, and the norm, for a cult liter, quart appointed law cheater, accomplisher of the most improbable deceits ever by a deceiver, to ever get past so many so lost, will be a price paid upon where there is not a value , one could cast, to determine its worth, and all emanated from Trump, a plentiful placenta full, of after birth matter that has done left quite the splatter, on all that does matter, to quite a few patriotic AMERICANS, who actually do care about the outcome of this election, as at stake, is more than you and so many others, can even truthfully admit, cause after reading what you have written, you would be full of shit, but don't let that stop you one bit, so go ahead, and prove to US, and anyone reading, how you can defend Trump, without misleading...US ALL
You make a cogent point about a possibility: A president named Trump can divide the military's unity. That is, he can conflict (or open the door for opportunists military officials) soldiers, air-persons, marines, sailors, and guardspersons into CHOOSING to follow his commander in chief orders over that of a military officer or Joint Chief secretary.. Especially if the top officials are in disarray over what steps should be taken when his (questionable) order is given.
It is a recipe for chaos in an otherwise together/unified armed services.
as stated, i never thought i'd see a lot of things, Trump has somehow gotten away with, and yet, he keeps achieving that which i have trouble believing, cause for so many to be conceding to one bleeding US of patriotic blood, with his Flag all stained with MUD, just should land with a THUD, yet he continues to over achieve at the art of deceive, and his deception is not an exception, as it has become more of an acception , and that does truly concern
Really, what compelled you?
Evidence or CB conjecture?
Do you mean the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the Secretary of Defense?
They weren't on 6 Jan
Did i not just read from another seed where as you could never predict a Trump movie, or something to that effect ?
The things Trump has accomplished , against such ridiculous odds, are what make me cautious of him. He has an unnatural following that should concern all, but since it does not, it should concern even more, those who can see past his blinded followers. For without they who would call out he, where the FCK would we actually be by now, cause there have been many bringing attention to the cult leaders ascension, yet ascend he does with the closed eyes of far too many, that cannot see, cannot see what is so blatant, to say you, and possibly me...?
That’s him, not our senior military leaders.
That didn’t happen with those that were promoted to 4 stars under him or those that he nominated for Service Secretaries.
I have given you all that you need to come to a commonsense and rational conclusion and you can do with it as you see fit. It still won't change what has occurred factually, and what has been demonstrated and explained as highly probable to occur if Trump is president again. I will not belabor this point if you just want to do comment 'gymnastics' for its own sake, because I don't have time or interest in doing that.
I was never going to vote for Trump, I didn’t in 2016 or 2020 or any primary including this year.
You’ve cited nothing to indicate that it’s highly probable” that the senior military leaders will split over Trump.
At least you remain consistent in your ability to leave me clueless on parts of your comments.
And yet you CONSISTENTLY continue to break my peace with your bull daily. As if I am some 'dedicated project' of yours. On that note, I have recently observed that you can be gracious in your comment delivery when you wish to be. Though, I reckon you must think I am some chump you can mess over. Well, you can't. And that is the bottom line.
List some bull.
You think more highly of yourself than I do.
Masterpiece...
Towards iggy
There is a plan out there by a certain group of far right wing populists to replace the heads of the military, the judiciary and federal branches of government. Were Trump to be elected the plan is to have him call martial law and use southern state national guard troops as law enforcement in blue states.
Now... Do I think this will work? No. Not a chance in hell, but it doesn't stop them for fucking things up and making life a nightmare for millions of people on a daily basis.
Do these people honestly believe that Yankees don't own guns?
I can visualize it happening. As this creepy individual named Trump wants immunity from his presidential acts and activities and if he gets it. . . he can try anything. . . and tie courts up until they scream from the exploitation!
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So.......I minimum of 2 posters insult the integrity of the military, and you as a Vet only have this comment in defense of your brothers and sisters in arms?
I will ask you point blank, do you think the military would support evilones "plan"?
Okay George, there is too much that you have gotten wrong about Evilone's comment that I, awkwardly I admit, will ask you to start over with it. Here is the comment:
and how many of Trumps plans, that we thought were so far out there that we need not give a care, about them, have come to fruition via attrition or some demented Republican tradition...?
Too many to not mention, would be my contention.
This isn't Trump's plan. Trump is just the useful idiot to rally support around.
so it IS, Trumps' plan if he pushes it, for whom else could push such a plan, besides the cult leader, for I have not another i can think of, that could implement such a disgraceful plan, than none other than Orange 'Man', but point taken
Seven Days in May
Do you believe it is i, who speak of a conspiracy , for i am only cautioning those whom seem to be underestimating, what a cult leader can achieve
or
are you just recommending a good ole movie i have not before seen ?
As i am not too conspiracy driven, but have to admit, the reality we are all living, can sometimes appear to be.
intriguing trailer for sure
Worth a watch, it’s a good suspense drama highlighting the paranoia of the Cold War. Great director and a fine cast, screen play by Rod Serling.
yes, an impressive cast as well. Perhaps i'll gve it a go when able,
a thank you irregardless of our on occasion differing views, as one learns not much in echo chambers non diverse, except, new ways to curse, ive been known to print, i'm impressionable that way
Well, I am a yankee, and I actually don't own a gun.
I know where I can get a lot, come need to
Some years ago I was in a band called “Echoes”, but you probably heard us.
in a mosh pit, bouncing off moshers, as well as the walls (Mexico never paid for}
I have my own personal weapon and Mr G has a few. We share a shotgun
I sold all my long guns when the tea party came along, too tempting...
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meh, the white house is due for a full remodel if the orange menace moves back in...