'Dangerous and outrageous': Veterans erupt at Trump after he sends 200 Marines to Florida
By: Carl Gibson (Alternet. org)
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On Thursday, U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) — which oversees U.S. military operations in North America - announced that it would be deploying approximately 200 U.S. Marines to Florida and other states to assist with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations. Multiple military veterans are now sounding the alarm.
According to USNORTHCOM's official statement, the Marines will be sent from the Marine Wing Support Squadron 272, Marine Corps Air Station in New River, North Carolina. In addition to Florida, USNORTHCOM indicated that Marines would also be headed to Louisiana and Texas. The Marines are reportedly only going to "perform strictly non-law enforcement duties within ICE facilities." The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 explicitly prohibits the U.S. military from being used for civilian law enforcement activity.
"Their roles will focus on administrative and logistical tasks, and they are specifically prohibited from direct contact with individuals in ICE custody or involvement in any aspect of the custody chain," the statement read.
The news of Marines assisting immigration officials within U.S. borders provoked condemnation from several prominent military veterans on social media. Former Ukrainian Armed Forces veteran John Jackson said the use of the military within U.S. borders suggested that President Donald Trump's administration was "trending in such a bad direction." Army combat veteran and podcaster Fred Wellman called the deployment "incredibly dangerous and outrageous."
"Combat Marines do not belong anywhere in the United States supporting ICE," Wellman wrote on X. "This is not their mission."
Army National Guard veteran Chris Purdy of the Chamberlain Network — an advocacy group led by military veterans — also condemned the use of military personnel to assist with immigration-related operations on American soil. Purdy insisted that in a democracy, the military "defends the nation" and "doesn't police its people."
"The [National] Guard is especially vulnerable here, because the Guard is different, because they live in communities they're being asked to patrol now," he said. "They're going to see the same families at the grocery store, at the kids' soccer game and church. Members of the Guard, they have library cards. And when they're patrolling their own communities for political partisan purposes, that crosses a line that we should never ask them to do."
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Why would Marines need to be used for administrative duties?
We all know the answer, but this is the PC correct way to slowly introduce our Military to do what it strictly in our Constitution says it is not to do. It's just like Trumps' DOJ is independent of what he does have to say. Just who the FCK does he and his defenders think they are fooling ? Good to see some true Patriots standing up against what they KNOW IS WRONG !
at what point of trumpski refusing to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution can we legally storm the white house and rout the offender ...
I dont remember that being in the Constitution, anywhere , can you point out where that exists in its plain text ?
as for his nationalization of the Ca Guard ? i think he did the demonstrators and the protesters a favor , see by HIM activating the guard Posse C comes into effect and use as LEO is restricted if not outright forbidden .
As for active duty Marines , they are something of an outlier because of their specific duties , which one of is the protection of US government property and personnel no matter where it is .
Now if Newson had called up the guard , Posse C is NOT applicable and he could use them in a law enforcement capacity as he sees fit .
see it actually matters who does the activation as to how they could be used .
I would say the answer to that is , anytime someone see it fit to do so and feels froggy.
just remember , the consequences for failure is solely on the heads of those that attempt to do so and for them to pay for . So its on them .
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You're correct, and your thoughts about this >>>>Please do elaborate
Ca Guard and Active Marines being used to protect federal property and personnel , dont see a violation of PC(Posse C.) there .
my thoughts are as long as PC is not violated , and they are working within both pentagon and DOD directives , no worries from me . disagreement is expected though.
saw a video blurb during the LA demonstrations outside a federal building , a demonstrator went total derp when he decide to throw a rock at one of the marines pulling duty there hitting his face shield , gotta love personal protective equipment . .
the result i thought was rather entertaining .
entertaining because not only did he throw a rock in a marines face , but just stood there and didnt even try to run .
Face as a mop , butt as a broom , basic attitude adjustment , dang that could be a country song ..... Oh Bocephus ....
we have enough Marines on site that they can likely tell what SOP in this instance usually is . it happened ., while on the ground more rocks were found in his pockets , and he stated , i should have run , BIIIG understatement . the video ended with him being turned over to on site civilian authorities . which is also SOP if military uses authorized apprehension , the thorn ? the civilian authorities were fed police with full arrest and charging capability, so skip local and state LEO and courts , straight to fed court . gotta love due process
frankly i see no problem but suspect a lot of assraped sounding alley cats replying .
Stir the pot , get to lick the spoon, and its not chocolate .
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PC has been changed somewhat over the years and other acts also work in conjunction as to how some troops are used , though the basic act is still somewhat intact , some different defense acts have changed some of the usages such as use as basically security guards on fed property with arrest authority and the like , things are ever changing and ultimately those changes will nullify PC in part or in whole ,stay ever vigilant .
... and then get pardoned.
if the right set of circumstances and the right people come to office with that power , thats a definite maybe . If it were me , i wouldnt count on it though .
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A better question would be WHY ?
There is no need to involve our military personel, but Trump likes the way lil kim and Putin do it. Like that parade was about the Army's Birthday, please....
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Nah, the best question is ….. WHY NOT?
opinions do vary. Especially the people and property they free up for law enforcement to protect. They sure ain’t complaining. The complainers I hear are usually tucked safely far far away. In their grandmas basement or gated community they likely scammed by sucking off a government or union titty.
Your gaslight has never shown brighter. Outstanding!
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I'm going to support this one.
As far as I can tell, it's not violating any laws. There is still a very valid question... "why do you need this?"
If there are credible threats to federal LEOs or property in FL, I've not seen them. There is obviously today's incident in Texas, but that appears to be a lone nutter.
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I tend to agree. Seems like a waste of a Marine and an odd fit. Why not employ homeless or struggling veterans for this instead?
Send the (Ch) air force not the lunk headed Marines
Think the reason they didnt send them was there wasnt a Hilton , Wynns or Marriot close by .
LOL!
thats one of those , if you know , you know things ......
Full disclosure here , a lot of the really funny stuff i get , i get from following WarHampster on Facebook . she is hilarious on her take on service connected issues . even to an old timer like me .
Oh, I know. I'm former Air Force. My son-in-law was Army infantry and is now in the Air NG. He talks about how how comfy the AF is
short off topic here .
I was stationed at a SAC base in the northeast , had a naval shipyard not far away , use to get a kick out of when the marine detachment came on base and ate at the base chow hall, they were amazed at the difference , went in one night to pick up some flight meals for the area guards and a marine asked me if the food was always this good , told him what he saw was common , but the best chow hall on base he couldnt get to because it was in an alert area , he looked at me funny and i explained the alert facility mess , serves the pilots , and security was allowed to dine there as well.
i reminded him , remember officers also have their own bar . different from the enlisted or NCO clubs .
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Thats about the time i was in , except we had 2 man rooms unless you were an NCO then it was a single person to room with shared bathroom .
In the Navy back then, we didn't get single man rooms until you made E5, but still shared the bathroom with the neighbor
I had to share a room and a bathroom with 2 other females.
When my husband moved to the NCOQ he got a room AND a bathroom all to himself. Then he decided to get married...haha
... derail, sorry ...
back in the 80's, one of my installers got caught on base at the exit trying to leave when they initiated a lock down caused by a door found left unlocked somewhere on base. after waiting in line to get off base for too long, he called me by radio to inform me. I told him to give it a few more minutes and call me if anything changed. he called me a few minutes later and told me the zoomies at the guard house were making their way up the line of cars.
I told him to switch radio channels and to key the mic when they approached his vehicle, which would make it chirp on my end and let me know they could hear me. a minute later the mic chirped and I instructed him over the radio that if he wasn't let off base in 5 minutes to turn around and head back into the officer's housing and start disconnecting all the cable TV feeding the big houses. the installer called me back 2 minutes later and let me know they had pulled him out of line and let him off base.
oh them officers would have been livid
said installer was the only person I let have base installs and he was on a first name basis with the general. my installer later admitted that he had later related the story to the general, who found it very funny ...
It's Florida. There is a golf course every 30 feet.
And a displaced North Easterner who has fled the frozen shithole they were living in before.
inside joke about USAF TDY accomidations , if it isnt 4-5 star , and in the michelien guide , they likely wont be going .
They dont do the Tom Bodette and motel 6 with leaving the light on for ya .
The new "alligator" prison concentration camp just flooded. Are they going to make our troops suffer along with the inmates?
If deportation is the goal, why build so many camps and prisons?
Why are we keeping them here, taking up billions of dollars from the bill that just passed?
If all these "prisoners" or "illegals" are going away, where is the airstrip and how long will we need to fund this?
If detainees are all leaving why the permanent housing and funding?
Just passing a massive billion dollar funding package for ICE with no actual stated goals to the American public is outrageous.
I think Trump is hoping for protests so he can beat them down.
Where do I sign up for protest?
Slaves need quarters, too.
Trump is getting even with the immigrants he said were eating people's pets, so now he's putting the immigrants where THEY could be eaten.
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