Russian Warships Sailed 'Right Through' Alaska Fishing Fleet: Sailors

  
Via:  Ender  •  3 months ago  •  85 comments

By:   DAVID BRENNAN

Russian Warships Sailed 'Right Through' Alaska Fishing Fleet: Sailors
American fishing vessels encountered Russian military drills off the coast of Alaska on Wednesday and were reportedly ordered to leave the area.

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Alaskan fishermen have recalled their brush with the Russian navy on Wednesday, when their fleet of commercial vessels came across military drills in international waters in the Bering Sea.

The ships in the fishing fleet were among those who raised the alarm to U.S. forces after bumping into Russian warships and aircraft off the coast of Alaska. Some of those aboard told Alaska Public Media Friday they had never seen anything like the Russian force.

Steve Elliott was aboard the Vesteraalen trawler on Wednesday, fishing for pollock in the Bering Sea when his crew heard Russian voices on their ship's radio. Elliott told APM that the voices soon switched from Russian to English, warning the nearby commercial ships to move out of their way.

"Three warships and two support vessels of theirs were coming and would not turn," Elliott said from aboard the Vesteraalen. "And they came marching right through the fleet."

APM said other vessels were buzzed by Russian military aircraft and also ordered to leave the area. The U.S. military said Thursday the Russian forces were taking part in military drills that were known to some American officials, and that it was tracking all nearby Russian activity.

But fishing vessels say the incident disrupted their fishing and put them in danger. "We were caught by surprise," said Stephanie Madsen, the executive director of the At-Sea Processors Association—a trade group of 13 ships that fish and process Bering Sea pollock.

"It caused a disruption in our fishing operations for at least the 24- to 36-hour period where we were trying to get the facts about what was happening," she told APM.

"And then it's unclear what impacts could continue through the time that the Russians have given us notice the exercises will be underway." APM reported that the drills are scheduled to last into September.

Mike Fitzgerald, a crew member aboard the Blue North cod fishing ship, said his vessel was buzzed six times by a Russian aircraft and ordered out of the area on a set course "at maximum speed."

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said Friday it intercepted six Russian military aircraft—three groups of two Tu-142 maritime patrol aircraft. The planes flew in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone for some five hours and approached within 50 nautical miles of the Alaskan coast, but did not enter American or Canadian airspace.

"I won't say we were fearful, because we're Bering Sea fishermen," Fitzgerald told APM. "But this goes beyond anything when you really know what happened... We had Russian military aircraft threatening us: 'Danger area. Missile area. Proceed out of here.' That's unheard of, and it's really wrong that we haven't gotten more protection out here."

Fitzgerald also said his ship saw a Russian submarine surface close to the Alaskan coast. U.S. Northern Command said Thursday it was "closely monitoring the Russian submarine that surfaced near Alaska today." It added: "We closely track vessels of interest, including foreign military naval vessels, in our area of responsibility."

U.S. Coast Guard spokesperson Kip Wadlow told the Associated Press Thursday that the service had been notified of Russian activity by "multiple fishing vessels" that "were concerned."

Wadlow said the commercial ships were operating in the American exclusive economic zone, where natural resources like fish stocks belong to the U.S. The surface is considered international waters, meaning all international ships can operate there.

USNORTHCOM said the Russian maritime activity "is taking place in international waters well outside the U.S. territorial sea."

The State Department issued a statement Friday condemning the Russian activity. Department spokesperson Larry Pixa said the administration would investigate what it called reports of "unprofessional interactions by Russian military forces with U.S. fishing vessels in the Bering Sea."

"Initial indications are that these interactions stem from a Russian naval exercise," Pixa said, according to APM.

U.S. military officials have warned that Russian military activity off the U.S. coasts—especially by submarine, which are harder to spot and track—poses a national security threat to the U.S.

U.S. Navy Vice Admiral Andrew Lewis said in February that the American east coast can no longer be considered a "safe haven" for shipping due to Russian submarine activity.

This file photo shows Russian warships sailing on the Neva river during the Navy Day parade in Saint Petersburg, Russia on July 26, 2020.DMITRY LOVETSKY/POOL/AFP via Getty Images/Getty


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Ender
1  seeder  Ender    3 months ago

Nope, nothing to see here folks...

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Ender @1    3 months ago

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sandy-2021492
1.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1    3 months ago

It's the image that accompanies the article.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
1.1.2  Release The Kraken  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.1    3 months ago

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sandy-2021492
1.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1.2    3 months ago

Take it up with Newsweek.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
1.1.4  Release The Kraken  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    3 months ago

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sandy-2021492
1.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1.4    3 months ago

Nope.  If it's that concerning to you, I'm sure you'll put forth the effort to address it.

 
 
 
Ender
1.1.6  seeder  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.3    3 months ago

It actually states what the pic is at the end of the article.

I guess some people don't read.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2  sandy-2021492    3 months ago

"America first", eh?  Apparently not, when Russians want to interfere.

 
 
 
Kavika
3  Kavika     3 months ago

The Red Bear, or should we say the Red Whale spotted.

 
 
 
devangelical
4  devangelical    3 months ago

putin owns trump and knows he won't do anything before the election that would risk negative russian interference.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1  Tacos!  replied to  devangelical @4    3 months ago
he won't do anything

What would be the justification for doing something? What do you think he should be doing?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    3 months ago
in international waters

So, are we supposed to respond or something?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 months ago

You're ok with the Russian military interfering with US fishermen in waters where the resources are US property?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 months ago

Did they? Were the fisherman unable to catch fish? Did the Russians steal our fish? I don't see those details in the story, do you? This is what the story says:

"It caused a disruption in our fishing operations for at least the 24- to 36-hour period where we were trying to get the facts about what was happening,"

But that disruption is not defined. It sounds to me like they became hesitant to proceed normally because the Russian Navy didn't brief them first. Like that's going to happen.

What would you like us to do? Launch some missiles at them?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 months ago

They would have run the fishermen over. Told them get the hell out of the way as they were not stopping or veering course.

And the people that were saying Obama was weak with Russia remain silent.

It is outright aggression and not a word from donald or the administration.

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 months ago

They were in international waters. I didn't realize that resources could be owned in international waters. 

Unless you are talking about the US fishing vessels. In which case the same thing will be done as always. The US will file a protest with Moscow stating our vessels have a right to be there, and nothing will be done.

How often do those types of unsafe interactions occur? Not often, but when they do, they gain a lot of attention. If the incidents are deemed dangerous enough, the U.S. will file a formal diplomatic complaint with Moscow, called a démarche, but in the end, all that usually happens is that the U.S. military issues statements reaffirming its right to sail or fly through international waters and airspace.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.3    3 months ago
I didn't realize that resources could be owned in international waters.

Perhaps you should read the seeded article.

Wadlow said the commercial ships were operating in the American exclusive economic zone, where natural resources like fish stocks belong to the U.S. The surface is considered international waters, meaning all international ships can operate there.
 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 months ago
You're ok with the Russian military interfering with US fishermen in waters where the resources are US property?

Did you happen to miss this very salient point made directly in the seeded article?

Wadlow said the commercial ships were operating in the American exclusive economic zone, where natural resources like fish stocks belong to the U.S. The surface is considered international waters, meaning all international ships can operate there.
 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.1.2    3 months ago
It is outright aggression and not a word from donald or the administration.

Here's a hint, the US State Department is part of the President Trump administration.  And I quote DIRECTLY from the seeded article:

The State Department issued a statement Friday condemning the Russian activity. Department spokesperson Larry Pixa said the administration would investigate what it called reports of "unprofessional interactions by Russian military forces with U.S. fishing vessels in the Bering Sea."
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    3 months ago
Did they? Were the fisherman unable to catch fish?

I'll admit to not knowing much about fishing, but I'm willing to bet that it's difficult to catch fish in waters into which one is forbidden to go.

It sounds to me like they became hesitant to proceed normally because the Russian Navy didn't brief them first.

Odd.  It sounds to me like they had initially proceeded normally, and were chased off.

What would you like us to do?

How about a stern warning from our "America First" President, with consequences laid out?  Kinda like what he did when he found out that American soldiers had Russian bounties on their heads.

Oh, wait...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @5.1.2    3 months ago
It is outright aggression and not a word from donald or the administration.

Of course not.  And we have American patriots here defending Russian aggressors against Americans.

Unbelievable.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.5    3 months ago
all international ships can operate there.

Including American ships.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.10  seeder  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.8    3 months ago

Not surprised sadly.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    3 months ago
Including American ships.

True, and here's more breaking news.....   we do the same in what Russia considers THEIR backyard....   the Baltic Sea.

NATO has kicked off the latest edition of the largest naval military exercise in Europe, BALTOPS, held annually in the Baltic Sea – considered the most likely flashpoint of any hypothetical conflict with Russia – since 1971. Source: 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.7    3 months ago
with consequences laid out? 

What consequences? Seriously. You can't just complain about inaction without having an idea for some kind of action. Preferably, one that makes sense.

The Russians are dicks. I get it. Lots of people are dicks all day long. But unless you're an insane maniac, you don't start a fight every time someone is a dick.

How about we have one of our destroyers go cruising through some Russian fishing boats? Would that make you happy? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.8    3 months ago
And we have American patriots here defending Russian aggressors against Americans.

I don't think anybody said they approved of the Russians' actions. We're just not prepared to go to war over something so petty.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.13    3 months ago

Threats to US civilians trying to make an honest living?  Yes, very petty.

Also, who has advocated going to war?  I'd much rather see a diplomatic solution.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    3 months ago

Do we threaten their civilians?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.16  seeder  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    3 months ago

I don't think you can compare this to something that happens annually since 1971. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.17  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.14    3 months ago
I'd much rather see a diplomatic solution.

And you know exactly what's happening right now how?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.1.16    3 months ago
I don't think you can compare this to something that happens annually since 1971. 

So we fuck around in their backyard SINCE 1971, which is 49 years and we get pissed because they do it ONCE?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.19  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.14    3 months ago
Threats to US civilians trying to make an honest living?  Yes, very petty.

It is petty. It's the international equivalent of playing your stereo too loud or jaywalking.

An action that would risk someone's life or even the long-term livelihoods of many people (in the case of an economic sanction) strikes me as an extreme reaction to something that - relatively speaking - is petty.

They didn't cross our border. No property was damaged. No people were hurt. We don't even have grounds to shout "get off of my lawn!" They were in international waters. There has to be a very narrow range of responses that are appropriate, and those responses should be equally tame.

I'd much rather see a diplomatic solution.

Great. Such as? We have already condemned it.

The State Department issued a statement Friday condemning the Russian activity. Department spokesperson Larry Pixa said the administration would investigate what it called reports of "unprofessional interactions by Russian military forces with U.S. fishing vessels in the Bering Sea."

That sounds diplomatic. What else do you want? Don't you recognize that something more than that would take time? I hope so. Therefore doesn't it seem a little early to be upset over lack of action? 

Not to mention the real-world consequences.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.18    3 months ago

Except it hasn't been once, has it?

U.S. military officials have warned that Russian military activity off the U.S. coasts—especially by submarine, which are harder to spot and track—poses a national security threat to the U.S. U.S. Navy Vice Admiral Andrew Lewis said in February that the American east coast can no longer be considered a "safe haven" for shipping due to Russian submarine activity.
 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.21  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.15    3 months ago
Do we threaten their civilians?

Not many civilians in the Baltic Sea.  Oil platforms but not much else as far as I know.

But may I ask where was your umbrage here?

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Please note the date and who was President then may I ask?  Do you need a reminder?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.22  seeder  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.18    3 months ago

Still cannot compare a NATO exercise with many countries involved that has been going on for generations.

The Baltic sea is not only their backyard. There are many countries on the sea.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.23  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.20    3 months ago
Except it hasn't been once, has it?

Your CONFUSING military exercises and routine surveillance by now Russian craft formerly Soviet craft.  Hell, I remember a Soviet sub discovered in Long Island Sound back in the late 60's or early 70's.

It's pretty much what all naval capable nations do.  We do it, as well as the Chinese, French, British, and on and on.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.24  XDm9mm  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.13    3 months ago
We're just not prepared to go to war over something so petty.

And for that, the rational among us get castigated.

What they seem to forget that it is in fact Trump that ran on getting us OUT of endless wars and now they all seem to want him to start one, since their predictions of him starting WWIII came to naught.

I know I'm too damn old to gear up anymore, but if I had to, I would.  I wonder if those admonishing the lack of the apparently desired military response would be so willing to do the same?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.25  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @5.1.2    3 months ago

Like Trump would bite the hand that pees on him.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.26  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.21    3 months ago

You're very willing to make assumptions about my thoughts on the matter.  No, this should not have been allowed to pass, either.  However, I take threats against humans more seriously than threats against unmanned equipment.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.23    3 months ago

Do we threaten other countries' shipping?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.28  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.20    3 months ago
Except it hasn't been once, has it?

How about if WE do it?  

The Submarine Incident off Kildin Island was a collision between the US Navy nuclear submarine USS  Baton Rouge and the Russian Navy nuclear submarine B-276 Kostroma near the Russian naval base of Severomorsk on 11 February 1992. The incident occurred while the US unit was engaged in a covert mission, apparently aimed at intercepting Russian military communications. Although a majority of sources claim that the American submarine was trailing her Russian counterpart, some authors believe that neither Kostroma n or Baton Rouge had been able to locate each other before the collision.

...

The collision occurred at 8:16 pm local time, [8]  at a point slightly over 12 miles from the shoreline, in waters that the United States regarded as  international , and that Russia considered as five miles inside the Russian  territorial sea  (due to the Russian use of a  straight baseline).  

Source: 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.29  MUVA  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.12    3 months ago

It's not like they annexed Crimea or shot down a airliner it seems that was the flexibility Obama spoke of.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.30  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.28    3 months ago

From your link:

The Russian Navy accused the United States of continuing intelligence operations around Russia's home waters despite the end of the cold war. All of this prompted the US Navy to stop some specific submarine activities off Russian bases, such as tapping underwater cables or intercepting wireless communications. [22

Seems like Russia stood up to us, and we capitulated to some degree.  Same as I'd expect us to do in regards to Russian threats against US civilians.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.31  seeder  Ender  replied to  MUVA @5.1.29    3 months ago

So if it made Obama weak, I guess that puts donald in the same category.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.32  seeder  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.24    3 months ago

Not one person here had advocated for war.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.33  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.1.32    3 months ago
Not one person here had advocated for war.

Then how about a simple "Stop It" like Obama told Russia when HE CAUGHT THEM INTERFERING IN OUR 2016 elections?   That sure fucking stopped them didn't it?

But and BE FUCKING SPECIFIC....

WHAT DO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT IS BEING SAID OR NOT SAID TO RUSSIA.

Be specific.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.34  seeder  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.33    3 months ago

And you can't be specific that they are not kissing Russian ass.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.35  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1    3 months ago

Should we send warships to these "international waters"?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.36  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.35    3 months ago

I imagine we already have some there.  Perhaps we should provides escorts to our citizens' fishing fleets, considering they've been threatened while just trying to make a living and feed people.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.37  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @5.1.16    3 months ago

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Greg Jones
5.1.38  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @5.1.34    3 months ago

And you can't be specific that they are not kissing Russian ass.

What evidence makes you think they are?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.39  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.36    3 months ago

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sandy-2021492
5.1.40  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.39    3 months ago

Ask the fishermen if they think it was serious.  From their quotes in the article, I'd say they do.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.41  seeder  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.37    3 months ago

Only to trumpers.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.42  seeder  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.38    3 months ago

What makes you think they are not?

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.43  Tacos!  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.33    3 months ago
Then how about a simple "Stop It"

We need to draw a red line in the ocean.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.44  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @5.1.32    3 months ago

We are at war already, with ourselves.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.45  seeder  Ender  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.44    3 months ago

Being egged on by our own CIC.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.46  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @5.1.45    3 months ago

Oh I see, you want Trump to get on national TV and talk tuff and sternly tell Russia to "knock it off" and vigorously rattle that saber.

I'm sure that would scare Putin enough that he would crap his pants.

Then, the left will turn right around and accuse him of being belligerent and trying to heighten tensions between the two countries and being a war monger

.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.47  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.46    3 months ago

tRump would never do that while he is sucking Putin's dick.  

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.48  seeder  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.46    3 months ago

Think whatever you want. Obviously no thought was of US citizens that were threatened.

 
 
 
zuksam
5.1.49  zuksam  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.40    3 months ago
Ask the fishermen if they think it was serious.  From their quotes in the article, I'd say they do.

The Fishermen should have been warned. The article states that US officials knew about the Drills and probably knew about them weeks in advance so it would have been easy to alert American ships that might be using that area. Large ships moving in formation are not going to turn from their course they had the right of way, The Law of Gross Tonnage says "The heavier vessel always has the right-of-way". It would be the same for US Navy Ships but if we were using the area for drills these fishermen would have been notified and told to stay out of the area. We hold drills all over the world with our Allies and countries like China and North Korea bitch about it and often send out "fishing boats" to spy on us and create a general nuisance but we still have the drills and we're probably not that polite to them either.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.50  sandy-2021492  replied to  zuksam @5.1.49    3 months ago

Yes, they should have been.

I have no problem with military drills occurring in international waters.  It is the threats to our civilians also in international waters that is the issue here, as well as the impeding of US businesses harvesting US resources.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.51  seeder  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.50    3 months ago

That was mainly my problem. It was like they were intentionally trying to disrupt any fishing harvest.

Then coming intentionally close. It seemed to me like an act of aggression. Intentionally flexing their muscle close to our shores.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6  Ronin2    3 months ago

Like this never happened before Trump. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

Russia has been flexing their muscles since Clinton/NATO decided to take down Serbia and hand Kosovo to the Albanians. Think that didn't piss Putin off?  Made Russia look weak and pathetic. Caused them no end of problems with their border satellite states down the road.

Throw in Bush Jr with Afghanistan, Georgia, & Iraq; and Obama with Libya, Ukraine, Iraq II, and Syria and the US has been poking the Russian bear for the last 4 administrations at least. 

China has taken notice- that is what their military build up and making those island military bases in the Pacific is about. That all started during the Obama administration.

This is what happens when the US goes sticking it's nose into countries that are allies, or are in close proximity, to Russia and China.

Why was the left so silent over Iran's harassment of the US Navy under Obama?

But Trump, but Trump, but Trump.

So much for him being Putin's lackey. Putin wouldn't be trying to make Trump look weak during an election year. Not if he wanted to keep his "puppet" in power. Of course Trump hasn't done Putin any good. The sanctions are still in place and have been strengthened by the Trump administration. Still in Syria and Iraq. Taking Iran to task for killing US troops in Iraq- which started under Bush Jr- and went all through the Obama administration w/o a single peep. Selling weapons to Ukraine; as compared to Obama the spineless that backed a coup there and then wouldn't give them anything more than medicine and blankets. 

But Trump, but Trump, but Trump, but Trump, but Trump.

How about we stop poking the damn Russian bear for a while and see if things start to settle down.

Or is everyone that eager to kick off WWIII?

 
 
 
Ender
6.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @6    3 months ago

So it is all our own fault and we should just shut up and go with the flow...

What a load of horseshit.

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @6.1    3 months ago

So you are pro intervention into every and any country we deem necessary? Whether we have a right to be there or not?

Good to know the left has matched the right for hawks.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.1    3 months ago

Where did I state that? Oh yeah, nowhere...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @6.1.2    3 months ago

Apparently, America standing up for American fishermen is "interventionist".

We should be appeasing the Russians.  They were just joking when they threatened our civilians.

MAGA!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.3    3 months ago

We're not appeasing anyone. [deleted]

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.4    3 months ago

Yes, yes.  "It's not serious.  Let's not make a big deal about it.  It's petty.  It's being handled (because even though it's not a big deal, it needs to be handled).  We've been conducting military operations with other NATO countries, so they have a right to threaten our civilians."

Doesn't sound like appeasement at all.  

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.6  seeder  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.5    3 months ago

Amazing some could care less.

Anything to protect donald.

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @6.1.6    3 months ago

Is it any less amazing that some would use anything to attack donald?

I've seen some fairly crazy statements made in this tread. Seems like some people, in their zeal to attack the president would like to start an international incident. All I can say is I'm sure glad that the people who post here are not in charge of national security.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.8  seeder  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.7    3 months ago

The international incident already happened and all you can think about is donald and how it looks for him or if people are attacking him.

Do you ever wonder why some people call it a cult?

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @6.1.8    3 months ago

I don't see much difference between the cult attacking donald and the cult defending him. Two sides of the same coin.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.10  seeder  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.9    3 months ago

So you don't see a difference between people that defend every lie that comes out of his mouth and people that think he is not fit for the office....

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.11  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.5    3 months ago

This is not big deal to normal people.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.11    3 months ago

You don't consider Alaskan fishermen, good, solid, working class people, to be normal?

Noted.

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.13  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @6.1.10    3 months ago
So you don't see a difference between people that defend every lie that comes out of his mouth and people that search for any connection they can think of to attack him

Fixed your sentence for you.  And no, I don't see much difference between them. What I don't see in this thread is the comments (lies) coming from President Trump. I see comments from others who seem pissed that we didn't send the US Navy in to chase away those terrible Ruskies...

I do wish that people would take a breath and calm down. You seeded this thread,  what in your mind should the US government do?

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.14  seeder  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.13    3 months ago

Take a breath and calm down? Funny that you can take my blood pressure and heart rate from your side over there.

I am just tired of hypocrites. You cannot tell me that if this happened under Obama's watch, the right wing news cycle would be airing it and calling Obama a coward and weak.

Instead we seem to have it completely ignored and just pushed aside as nothing.

A little consistency would be nice but I don't see that happening any time soon.

At the very least he could condemn the actions.

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.15  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @6.1.14    3 months ago
You cannot tell me that if this happened under Obama's watch, the right wing news cycle would be airing it and calling Obama a coward and weak.

Really?  All I can say to that is Obama's red line in Syria and how right wing news went after him for that. I do think he was wrong in making the statement and then backing away from it but nowhere am I going to try to say that the news would not have attacked him over it.  Of course they would.  Damn,  I've been talking for a while now about how divided we are as a country and how long it's been going on. It's not new with Trump, if anything he's more the result of it than the cause of it. It goes back to Reagan for it's heavier start. And this is just the fighting between Republicans and Democrats. Other political parties have had their day in the sun, fought their battles and faded away.

But  you still don't answer the question.  What do you think the US government should do in regards to the Russians having a military exercise there in international waters?  It's your seed so I would hope you had a reason for seeding it and possible suggestions on what you would like to see done.

Instead we seem to have it completely ignored and just pushed aside as nothing.

A little consistency would be nice but I don't see that happening any time soon.

At the very least he could condemn the actions.

It's right in the article you posted.

The State Department issued a statement Friday condemning the Russian activity. Department spokesperson Larry Pixa said the administration would investigate what it called reports of "unprofessional interactions by Russian military forces with U.S. fishing vessels in the Bering Sea."

So I believe that it was not ignored or pushed aside,  the response is consistent with other provocations by the Russians (as well as other countries).  I don't see where President Trump needs to say anything about it on live TV just so you can feel that he condemned the actions. But your last line there is telling,  you are being consistent.  You posted this seed in order to attack President Trump. It's very clear by your words.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.16  seeder  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.15    3 months ago

Actually I posted it because it bugged me that it happened.

You are preaching to the choir as anyone can tell there is division.

Imo the response was minimal. As was any press coverage from the so called left wing media.

Another reason I posted it as most people probably haven't even heard about it.

You thinking I need a reason to attack donald is comical. He is a buffoon on a daily basis. You all acting like we look for reason to dislike him when he pushes reasons at us.

As for what I would like to see done, there really is nothing that can be done at this point. It already happened. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
7  Release The Kraken    3 months ago

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Gsquared
7.1  Gsquared  replied to  Release The Kraken @7    3 months ago

Trump would be interested only if he was getting a cut of the fishermen's take.  If there is nothing in it for Trump, he could not care less.

 
 
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