More lies from the msm

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  39 comments


More lies from the msm
“Where did the original false information come from? Couldn’t quite hear your apology?”...Giuliani tweeted Saturday. He followed up with a second tweet slamming the Washington Post’s story as “defamatory.”

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"Anonymous sources" again smear Republicans with false claims of collusion. Three corrections later and the beat goes on. This past Thursday, the New York Times, Washington Post and NBC News corrected their earlier reports that Rudy Giuliani had been “warned” in late 2019 by the FBI that the Kremlin was using him. The same story said Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson receiving a similar warning last August. The false story was based, as usual on "anonymous sources" (“current and former U.S. officials”). The smear on Johnson was an extension of lies told during the summer claiming. Then the "sources" told us a detail free story that Johnson was briefed and given a warning by the FBI about (you guessed it!) - "Russia." Johnson told the Post that the FBI briefing last summer was so “generalized” as to be “useless and unnecessary,” especially because he was already “fully aware of the dangers of Russian disinformation.” He said he worried even at the time that the briefing’s purpose was to be used “at some future date” to “offer the biased media an opportunity to falsely accuse me of being a tool of Russia despite warnings.”  So, he already knew how the game was played. In the case of Giuliani, (the man who helped expose Hunter Biden's laptop) the corrections are not going to be enough. Giuliani is demanding they name their sources.

And then there is CBS "60 minutes."

A week ago they lied about Florida Governor Ron DeSantis being involved in a pay-for-play scheme. They have yet to apologize. Last night they, for the most part, allowed Secretary of State Antony Blinken repeat an obvious lie. A lie that the Biden administration has told over and over again:

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"Norah O'Donnell: Border crossings for undocumented immigrants have skyrocketed. In March, more than 170,000 people were taken into custody. That's the highest in 20 years. Are the policies of the Biden administration to blame?

Antony Blinken: No. What we're seeing is indeed-- a surge of people to the border. We've seen that-- in the past. But we inherited a totally broken system. Broken intentionally. And it takes time to fix it, and by the way, our message is very clear, "Don't come. The border is not open. You won't get in."  But we have to understand what is motivating so many people to do this. And it is usually desperation.

Norah O'Donnell: (AFFIRM). But that's not new. I want to talk about the policies of the Biden administration, because President Biden did use his executive authority to curb deportation, to allow more asylum seekers to enter the United States. So are these new policies by the administration contributing to this surge?

Antony Blinken: We're focused when it comes to people coming in to making sure that-- that children-- unaccompanied minors are treated humanely and according to the law. 

Norah O'Donnell: Is it problematic to tell migrants, "Well, no you can't come here," and then at the same time create a different situation on the ground that does allow them to come?

Antony Blinken:  But-- but the point is that they're not. One-- one of the challenges that-- that we've had is that-- traffickers and others are trying to tell them that "the border's open." It's not. 

Norah O'Donnell: But children are being allowed in, and then they're being--

Antony Blinken: Children are the one exception, because we-- we will not, it-- it is the-- it is the right thing to do. We are not going to abide the notion that children are kept in a precarious, dangerous situation. That is unacceptable."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antony-blinken-60-minutes-2021-05-02/



The New York Times, Washington Post and NBC have walked back last week's lies. We begin a new week.




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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Another day, another devious narrative for the msm.

Trump and his supporters are off topic
I am off topic.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

[DELETED]   guess I'll move on to another yarn.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Hallux @1.1    2 weeks ago

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Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Hallux @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

No Value [charger 383]

You missed the other 50% of comments.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2  Tacos!    2 weeks ago
Broken intentionally.

Like, what is he even talking about? You can hate the wall or whatever, that’s fine.  [ removed ]   But we have to understand what is motivating so many people to do this.  And it is usually desperation.

Any migration - across town or across borders - is a combination of “push” and “pull” factors. I think we can all agree that desperation pushes these people. But that’s old news. What could be the pull factor? I wonder . . . 

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @2    2 weeks ago
Who believes this shit?

 Not many:



But the administration seems to have confidence in repeating the same lies becoming accepted eventually.


What could be the  pull  factor? I wonder . . 

That may be the part where the Secretary of State says accepting every child who enters is "the right thing to do."

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 weeks ago
But the administration seems to have confidence in repeating the same lies becoming accepted eventually.

Don't worry, It will disappear. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2  Veronica  replied to  Tacos! @2    2 weeks ago

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Ender
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2.2.1  Ender  replied to  Veronica @2.2    2 weeks ago

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Hallux
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2.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Ender @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

It seems even Rudy is off topic.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Veronica @2.2    2 weeks ago

I actually wouldn’t mind rephrasing the comment without the T-word, but since this liar Blinken made a comment about an inherited broken system and that this breaking was done intentionally, it seems that within the specific context of this story, referencing the preceding administration is unavoidable.

Would you care to comment on whether or not the system was intentionally broken?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.4  Ender  replied to  Hallux @2.2.2    2 weeks ago

Shouldn't be as he is mentioned in the text body.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.5  Veronica  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.3    2 weeks ago

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.2.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Tacos! @2.2.3    2 weeks ago
an inherited broken system and that this breaking was done intentionally

IMO: The immigration system has been "Broken" for a longtime.

[removed]     didn't want any illegal immigration and did all he could to stem it. (although just temporarily) I don't doubt that he did anything to help our legal immigration system either especially concerning the legitimate processing of anyone coming here regardless of their reasoning. 

[removed]  policy also caused a backup just across the border just waiting for any sign they had a chance. 

Unfortunately it doesn't seem as if the Biden administration did any real planning either and now we have another crisis at our border. 

Insanity in motion. Plan then do. Not The other way around. Over and over. 

This all gets my ... Duuu 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.7  Ronin2  replied to  Veronica @2.2    2 weeks ago

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Veronica
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2.2.8  Veronica  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.7    2 weeks ago

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.2.11  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.2.10    2 weeks ago

Some seeds are just best left ignored 

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.12  Veronica  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2.2.11    2 weeks ago

Best decision of the day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Veronica @2.2.12    2 weeks ago

Evidently you disagree, thus the comment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.3    2 weeks ago

Intentionally broken by the former occupant of the White House.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3  Dismayed Patriot    2 weeks ago
"Then the "sources" told us a detail free story that Johnson was briefed and given a warning by the FBI about (you guessed it!) - "Russia." Johnson told the Post that the FBI briefing last summer was so “generalized” as to be “useless and unnecessary,” especially because he was already “fully aware of the dangers of Russian disinformation.”

First, the above paragraph starts with quote marks, who is it quoting?

Second, it claims the MSM is lying but then goes on to admit that Senator Ron Johnson did receive a warning but he claimed it was "generalized" and "unnecessary" because he already knew about Russian meddling. So what part of the story was actually false?

Then in regards to the CBS interview, what lies were told? Did they not inherit the current immigration system from the former administration? Yes. Is it broken? Yes, not necessarily due to the former administration but from a congress and Senate that has refused to act on immigration reform.

So this seed is just a conservatives opinion that's full of holes, not a fact to be found, but I guess that's all you can expect from the sore loser crowd that's still crying in their milk about fantasy stolen elections.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  Hallux  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3    2 weeks ago

You just defined click-bait.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3    2 weeks ago

 So what part of the story was actually false?

Giuliani didn't receive a defensive briefing. Was that not obvious from the text? 

 CBS interview, what lies were told.

Biden did make  the immigration situation significantly worse.   He's the one who acted intentionally to do it.  He withdrew from diplomatic agreements with Latin American countries to ease the pressure on the border. Not to mention Biden explicitly invited people to surge to the border. To claim he just inherited it is a lie, he took proactive steps to make it worse.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3    2 weeks ago
First, the above paragraph starts with quote marks

Actually it only starts with them in your rebuttal.


So what part of the story was actually false?

Whatever parts were exaggerated to make it look like Johnson was spreading disinformation. Remember, Biden used those words to dismiss the true story of Hunter's laptop. MSNBC host Joy Reid  said Thursday that Johnson is from Wisconsin "by way of Moscow." The story which provided little by way of details on Johnson's briefing has been embellished to make it seem the the Kremlin has used Johnson.

Then in regards to the CBS interview, what lies were told?

They were told by the Biden administration and in the interview repeated by the POS Secretary of State.. Joe Biden claimed he inherited a mess after OPENNING THE BORDERS. That is a lie!  And he has done nothing to restore sovereignty to the nation's southern border.


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Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3    2 weeks ago
Whatever parts were exaggerated to make it look like Johnson was spreading disinformation.

" Russian leader Vladimir Putin pushed misinformation during the 2020 election cycle about Joe Biden through U.S. media and people close to then-President Donald Trump to try to boost Trump’s reelection chances, a U.S. intelligence report said."

" In particular, the declassified report, released Tuesday, said that Putin “had purview over the activities of Adriy Derkach, a Ukrainian legislator who played a prominent role in Russia’s election influence activities.”

" Derkach, who has ties to Russian intelligence, is known to have met with Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, who for months promoted discredited allegations against Biden, now president, and his son Hunter Biden."

“A key element of Moscow’s strategy this election cycle was its use of people linked to Russian intelligence to launder influence narratives including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden through US media organizations, US officials, and prominent US individuals , some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration,” the report said.

" Ukrainian lawmaker linked to the Kremlin, Andrii Derkach, sent information about Biden to Johnson, Grassley and other Trump allies who have pushed similar corruption claims against the Bidens."

" Johnson and Grassley confirmed in the letter that the addendum does, in fact, mention the Biden investigation and the Derkach packets."

Johnson was pushing for investigations that just so happened to contain the same misinformation being spread by Putin and his minions. Whether it was an innocent coincidence or not, he was spreading the misinformation being diched out by the Kremlin.

" the true story of Hunter's laptop"

What "true story" of Hunters laptop? There has been exactly zero evidence that proved anything or any ties to Joe Biden, only brain damaged Qanon conspiracy theorist still believe there's some "there" there.

" after OPENNING THE BORDERS"

"No, Biden Hasn’t Introduced ‘Open Borders,’ Despite Surge In Migrants"

That is a lie!

Yes, claiming Joe Biden "Opened the borders" is a lie.

The bullshit narrative of Biden somehow welcoming millions of immigrants and opening the border that the right is so desperate to prove stinks to high heaven. Conservatives are so caught up in the right wing bullshit they're refusing to even accept the facts that Biden hasn't torn down any walls, hasn't told any immigrants to just come on in. The only thing he really did is end  a  Trump-era practice  of expelling kids who cross the border alone, instead housing them in Border Patrol stations and government-run shelters. That's it, but conservatives are losing whatever they had left of their minds because of a surge at the border because they're so fucking xenophobic and are frantically trying to preserve some fantasy "white culture". They need to calm the fuck down and start working with Democrats on immigration reform instead of running around like their hair is on fire.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.1    2 weeks ago
a U.S. intelligence report said."

You mean it was a report that CIA director John Brennan pulled of the bottom of the barrel. In any event it in no way shows any link to Giuliani or Johnson. So you are passing on more disinformation.


What "true story" of Hunters laptop? 

You know, the one that social media censored during the election and the same one Joe Biden called "Russian disinformation."


Yes, claiming Joe Biden "Opened the borders" is a lie.

He opened them. Save your racial rant for the white hating vermin on the left.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

Thanks for the truth on the matter, as usual, DP!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.2    2 weeks ago
You mean it was a report that CIA director John Brennan pulled of the bottom of the barrel.

I trust the CIA director far more than I do some dumb shit conservatives pulling conspiracy theories and bullshit out their asses and proclaiming it as truth. The facts show that yes, Putin did put out right wing narratives that were picked up by right wing media and some Republican Senators. You've shown nothing to refute those facts.

You know, the one that social media censored during the election

You mean the baseless conspiracy theories that had exactly ZERO evidence of anything nefarious that had ZERO connection to the President and were being used by dishonest pieces of shit to try and sabotage Biden's election chances with nothing but lies and conjecture. Prove there is a "there" there or stuff your conspiracies back in to the nether regions they were pulled from.

"He opened them."

Just making another pointless statement with zero evidence does not refute the Forbes article I linked that showed definitively that Biden did not "open the border".

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.4    2 weeks ago
You mean the baseless conspiracy theories that had exactly ZERO evidence of anything nefarious that had ZERO connection to the President and were being used by dishonest pieces of shit to try and sabotage Biden's election chances with nothing but lies and conjecture.

The one that demonstrated conclusively that Hunter Biden was involved in schemes with foreign governments that made him millions. The double standard in how that so called "investigation" (and there is an investigation) is handled is really quite striking. Giuliani (a former President's lawyer) gets an early morning raid, while slime ball Hunter Biden is off touting a book he is writing. That makes Merrick B Garland the Biden wingman.


Just making another pointless statement with zero evidence

The evidence is glaring:

What's happening on our border is unprecedented. We are on track for more illegal border crossings in 2021 than any time in the past 15 years - perhaps ever. Illegal drug seizures this year are already up 600 percent compared to all of 2020.   Migrant holding facilities are at several times their capacity , requiring the government to construct new facilities on military bases like Fort Bliss.

Border agents are being taken off patrols to address the exploding number of children, leaving huge swaths of the border unguarded. They still monitor large groups of so-called "get-aways"- illegal immigrants who swarm remote parts of the border but can't be stopped due to a lack of manpower. When confronted, agents are required to report large groups as "20+."

This January and February, there were over 61,000 reported "get-aways." A staggering figure, but agents confirmed these groups are often much larger than just 20+. Some number 40, 60, many are as high as 80, but because they're logged as "20+", the reported totals are lower. Agents estimate the   real   number in January and February was probably closer to 120,000.

Left unchecked, we're looking at 750,000 "get-aways" this year alone. These are not "asylum-seekers" surrendering at a crossing station. These are dangerous criminals, drug smugglers, human traffickers, and terrorists willing to do   anything   to get into America and do harm. This isn't a border state problem - it's an unfolding national disaster of unprecedented scope with terrible implications for years to come.




Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Sunday accused President Biden of abandoning “the rule of law” at the US border, saying the Lone Star State is literally paying the price for the immigrant surge there.

Abbott, who blamed the Biden administration’s policies for causing the crisis, said Texas may have to dole out up to $1 billion this year for border security, health costs and education.

“It shows that President Biden’s approach to this is to abandon the rule of law,” Abbott said on Fox News’s   “Sunday Morning Futures,”   adding that the “root cause” of the border crisis is “lack of border security.”

“Our state legislature, they allocated about $800 million every two years for the state to pay for this,” the Republican governor said. “This year, because of the extended time that we will have the National Guard on the border, it likely will clearly exceed a billion dollars for the state to have to secure the United States of America.”

“The first 100 days of the Biden administration, they’ve been great for the cartels, for the gangs, for the human traffickers who have been exploiting the borders,” he added.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

Thanks for the truth of the matter, again, DP.  The truth is quite refreshing.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.4    2 weeks ago

Thanks for the truth, AGAIN!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.5    2 weeks ago
The one that demonstrated conclusively that Hunter Biden was involved in schemes with foreign governments that made him millions

What "schemes"? If the laptop proved anything nefarious why wasn't Hunter Biden arrested under Barr's watch when they found it last year? Instead they're investigating Hunter for possible tax evasion, an investigation that began in 2018 based on other supposed evidence that had nothing to do with his laptop. Nothing I've read so far presents any actual evidence of any possible crime based on the laptop, just a bunch of rabid conservative dip shit conjecture that essentially centers on a single supposed phrase "the big guy".

"That makes Merrick B Garland the Biden wingman."

The investigation has been going on for four years (while Barr was AG) and so far at best they might have Hunter on avoiding paying taxes for some of the work he did for the Chinese, which is reprehensible and he should be punished if found true, but like most tax cheats will likely end up paying some fines. Does that make AG Barr Biden's "wingman" too? There is as much if not far more evidence that dishonest Donald has avoided paying taxes through illegal means than there is of Hunter Biden doing the same and both are under investigation, and neither of those cases have anything to do with our current President.

What's happening on our border is unprecedented.

The pandemic we are going through is also unprecedented in the last 100 years.

Illegal drug seizures this year are already up 600 percent compared to all of 2020.

No kidding, everything was at a record low last year because of the pandemic, and now we're seeing record highs as things get back to normal including refuges and asylum seekers at the border, and the only thing Biden is responsible for is our getting back to near normal with his push for vaccinations across the country.

"These are dangerous criminals, drug smugglers, human traffickers, and terrorists willing to do anything to get into America and do harm"

This is an uneducated bigoted bullshit narrative pushed by ignorant right wing morons. The facts show that relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants only crime is crossing the border illegally. Are there some criminals who get through as well? Of course, and we should do better at stopping those criminals and reforming our immigration laws so that honest non-criminal migrant workers can come here safely and legally so they don't feel the only way to support their families is to risk an often deadly illegal border crossing.

"Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Sunday accused President Biden of abandoning “the rule of law” at the US border, saying the Lone Star State is literally paying the price for the immigrant surge there."

Right wing partisans often blame their opponents for their own failures, that's nothing new. What evidence did Abbot provide? Nothing but partisan rhetoric. Claiming without evidence that Biden's " first 100 days" have "been great for the cartels, for the gangs, for the human traffickers" is pure partisan hyperbole with zero actual evidence. Biden did not open the borders, he did not tear down any walls, the only policies that are different are that Biden isn't immediately returning unaccompanied minors. The rest isn't any Biden policy but a perception among the asylum seekers, migrants and others wanting to cross the border that the Biden administration won't be as aggressively violent to them and won't lock them up in cages as the former President was doing. This along with the regular seasonal surge and the number of immigrants that had been waiting for the pandemic to subside have temporarily increased the numbers at the border. The facts show that IF these numbers stay the same throughout the year, then we would see the highest numbers in 15 to 20 years, but that hasn't actually happened yet, it's a prediction based on a trend.

“We are on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in the last 20 years." - Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas

You do know what "on pace" means don't you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.8    2 weeks ago
If the laptop proved anything nefarious why wasn't Hunter Biden arrested

For the same reason the Russia hoax went on for two years under Session's (or should I say Ron Rosenstein). 


so far at best they might have Hunter on avoiding paying taxes for some of the work he did for the Chinese, which is reprehensible and he should be punished if found true

And how do you know that is all they have? Or that he will ever be punished?  Did Hillary Clinton or Gov Cuomo ever get punished?


. The facts show that relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. 

That's an old narrative that never got proven. Would you like to do the honors?


What evidence did Abbot provide? 

Come on, I gave you the evidence, which is overwhelming. I think I'd feel better if someone here would admit that the door is open and that's just how they want it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.8    2 weeks ago

Thanks yet again for the truth and facts on the matter.

It's a breath of fresh air!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.9    one week ago
"For the same reason the Russia hoax went on for two years under Session's (or should I say Ron Rosenstein)."

So you're claiming it's a "Hunter Biden laptop hoax" then?

" And how do you know that is all they have? Or that he will ever be punished?  Did Hillary Clinton or Gov Cuomo ever get punished?"

That's the nature of investigations, innocent until proven guilty. I have not seen all the evidence, no one in the public has, but if they move to convict or even fine him we will likely get some of that, but right now claiming there is some "there" there is all pure conjecture which is what I've been saying all along. And as to trying once again to desperately bring in other Democrats that Republicans failed to prove had done anything wrong, it just weakens your argument.

That's an old narrative that never got proven. Would you like to do the honors?

" And now a study published in the Proceedings of  the   N ational   A cademy of   S ciences USA   that draws from a detailed and well-sourced data set comes to an even more dramatic conclusion. It reports that between 2012 and 2018, compared with their U.S.-born neighbors, undocumented immigrants in Texas  were less than half as likely to be arrested  for violent crimes or drug offenses and less than a quarter as likely to be arrested for property crimes ."

" We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes ."

"in the wake of a “war on terror,” further exacerbated public fears of the foreign-born and conflated “illegal immigration” not only with crime but with potential terrorism. But these perceptions are not supported empirically ; instead, as demonstrated below, they are refuted by the preponderance of scientific evidence. Both contemporary and historical studies, including official crime statistics and victimization surveys since the early 1990s, data from the last three decennial censuses, national and regional surveys in areas of immigrant concentration, and investigations carried out by major government commissions over the past century, have shown instead that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and lower incarceration rates.

" Come on, I gave you the evidence, which is overwhelming. I think I'd feel better if someone here would admit that the door is open and that's just how they want it."

You gave the standard right wing Republican narrative which was not supported by any actual evidence. Biden did not "open the border" as you and others have baselessly claimed. Prove that an actual policy has led to more illegal immigrants in our country instead of just citing the increased numbers AT our borders seeking asylum or the uptick in seasonal border crossings which occur every year around this time. If you can't do that then it's you who should admit you just hate Biden and Democrats and are using anything you can to attack the current administration regardless of its veracity.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.3.12  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.11    one week ago

What your entirely baseless and biased fact filled rant forgot was that every last illegal immigrant is already breaking US Federal Immigration laws. 100% of them.  Any laws they break on top of those is inexcusable- since they shouldn't be here in the first place.

You gave the standard right wing Republican narrative which was not supported by any actual evidence. Biden did not "open the border" as you and others have baselessly claimed. Prove that an actual policy has led to more illegal immigrants in our country instead of just citing the increased numbers AT our borders seeking asylum or the uptick in seasonal border crossings which occur every year around this time. If you can't do that then it's you who should admit you just hate Biden and Democrats and are using anything you can to attack the current administration regardless of its veracity.

You gave the standard left wing narrative which is not supported by real evidence. Democrats and Biden have been ringing the dinner for illegal immigrants to come to this country since the Democratic primaries. All of Biden's EO/EA's on immigration are only ringing it louder. This isn't some normal seasonal uptick in illegal immigration. This is the highest levels they have seen in 20 years. 

If this was just a normal seasonal uptick the numbers crossing would be more in line with the last few years; not 20 years ago. This is exactly with the Democrats and their lemming followers wanted; too bad their lack of any type of planning on how to handle the numbers crossing is going to cost us all in the short and long run.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.11    one week ago
So you're claiming it's a "Hunter Biden laptop hoax" then?

Not by any reasonable logic.


That's the nature of investigations, innocent until proven guilty. 

Well the Clinton investigation is over. The details are easily accessible. Are you calling that a legitimate investigation?


" And now a study published in the Proceedings of  the   ational   cademy of   ciences USA   that draws from a detailed and well-sourced data set comes to an even more dramatic conclusion. It reports that between 2012 and 2018, compared with their U.S.-born neighbors, undocumented immigrants in Texas  were less than half as likely to be arrested  for violent crimes or drug offenses and less than a quarter as likely to be arrested for property crimes ."

Oh, a study! It's not a LE report. I see. Even If I were to accept these self serving "studies", let us acknowledge this admission:

"Estimating the total population of undocumented immigrants in a particular area can be difficult, and Light concedes that the estimates his team used may not be perfect."  (From the "study" you are using)


You gave the standard right wing Republican narrative which was not supported by any actual evidence. 

No, I provided the actual evidence that most objective citizens are keenly aware of.


Biden did not "open the border" as you and others have baselessly claimed.

He opened them, refused to admit it was an actual crisis and won't allow his subservient media to even see what is going on. I love when people try to deny the obvious.

 
 
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