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Revealed: "Troubling" details of how Trump probe broke down and led to resignation of prosecutors | Salon.com

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  2 years ago  •  49 comments

By:   Jessica Corbett (Salon)

Revealed: "Troubling" details of how Trump probe broke down and led to resignation of prosecutors | Salon.com
A report by the "The New York Times" lays out what led two prosecutors involved in Trump investigation to step down

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"The New York Times" on Saturday published a detailed account of what led two prosecutors involved with the Manhattan district attorney's investigation into former President Donald Trump's business practices to abruptly resign last month—a "seismic development" that some experts had called "troubling."

The probe was launched under the former district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., who did not seek reelection. When prosecutors Carey Dunne and Mark Pomerantz resigned, the newspaper reported that it was because the new DA, Alvin Bragg, had concerns about moving forward with the case.

Following up on their initial reporting, a trio at the "Times" provided an "account of the investigation's unraveling, drawn from interviews with more than a dozen people knowledgeable about the events," which "pulls back a curtain on one of the most consequential prosecutorial decisions in U.S. history," given that Trump would be the first president to be criminally charged.

Ben Protess, William K. Rashbaum, and Jonah E. Bromwich laid out major developments in the probe and at the office from Vance's final days to the resignations—including a December 9 meeting of the former DA's "brain trust," the public relations "firestorm" Bragg faced over criminal justice reforms and high-profile shootings, and intense discussions between the new district attorney and the two prosecutors in January and February.

As Protess, Rashbaum, and Bromwich reported:

Mr. Bragg was not the only one to question the strength of the case, the interviews show. Late last year, three career prosecutors in the district attorney's office opted to leave the investigation, uncomfortable with the speed at which it was proceeding and with what they maintained were gaps in the evidence. The tension spilled into the new administration, with some career prosecutors raising concerns directly to the new district attorney's team.

Mr. Bragg, whose office is conducting the investigation along with lawyers working for New York's attorney general, Letitia James, had not taken issue with Mr. Dunne and Mr. Pomerantz presenting evidence to the grand jury in his first days as district attorney. But as the weeks passed, he developed concerns about the challenge of showing Mr. Trump's intent—a requirement for proving that he criminally falsified his business records—and about the risks of relying on the former president's onetime fixer, Michael D. Cohen, as a key witness.

The prosecutors quit the day after the new district attorney told them that "he did not want to continue the grand jury presentation" and was not prepared to authorize charges against Trump, according to thereport, which noted that "Mr. Dunne and Mr. Pomerantz also bristled at how Mr. Bragg had handled the investigation at times."

While Pomerantz and Dunne declined to comment, Danielle Filson, a spokesperson for Bragg, said that "this is an active investigation and there is a strong team in place working on it." She added that the probe is being led by Susan Hoffinger, the executive assistant district attorney in charge of the office's Investigation Division.

Responding to the new report, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti tweeted that "this is a remarkable article that gives us an inside look into the Manhattan DA's deliberations regarding whether to charge Trump. If you believe prosecutors should indict Trump, it's worth reading. We rarely get a window into prosecution decisions."

According to Mariotti, it is not possible to tell from the Times' reporting "whether the current Manhattan DA is making the right call. We don't know the evidence his team has, and ultimately they could develop evidence that convinces them to file charges."

"I wouldn't be surprised if other prosecutors agonize over charging Trump. Not because they believe he's above the law, but because of issues with the evidence they have," he added. "If you're convinced that other prosecutors are doing nothing, they might be doing what this one did."


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

Damn. Fire up the next non-we-got-him-this-time nothing burger. LMAO

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

This has nothing to do with Jan 6th investigation! 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @1.1    2 years ago

Duh.............It has to do with his business dealings and the NY investigation. Who said it did?

This is just another one for the graveyard in Gotchaville.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1    2 years ago

Good luck with that. I join William Barr in hoping you take him out of the GOP Presidential primary. Make a Martyr of him and pave the way for Ron DeSantis.

You haven't much time though, there is a midterm election coming and soon those you kept off the committee will be holding their own investigation.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    2 years ago
Make a Martyr of him and pave the way for Ron DeSantis.

Ron (I have to approve everything you wear) DeSantis?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

Donald trump has been a crook his entire adult life. 

He has escaped because a) white collar crime is rarely prosecuted and b) no prosecutor wants to be the first to bring a criminal case against an ex president of the United States. It has never happened. 

The idea that these things prove he is innocent is absurd. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    2 years ago
Then isn't rather MORONIC to pursue an investigation if no one wanted to charge him?

So you feel all criminal investigations should cease if a plea bargain is possible?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.3    2 years ago
Is THAT what you read?

It's what you said.

Oh, BTFW, how can a plea deal be possible without charges?

Now you're trying to change what you said.  Or are you saying an investigation is okay, even if you're only charging him for jay walking?

Would YOU ever be stupid enough to take some plea deal for a crime you weren't even CHARGED with?

Not sure the color of the sky where you live is.  THAT happens all the time.  It costs money to defend yourself, even if innocent.  There are thousands of cases where innocent people are convicted.  Attorneys have been known to tell their client to accept a hand slap of a plea bargain to avoid months of courtroom testimony.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    2 years ago
Now for the last time, argue MY words, not what the hell you invent, or stop responding to me with your crap.

You know, you wouldn't have to constantly keep trying to explain what you were trying to say, over and over, if you would just phrase your statement clearly and concisely.  It seems that half the time you are on this forum, you are having to try to explain what it is that you meant to say in the first place.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

Basically, I think this case broke down because they were trying to squeeze one individual into testifying against Trump. We live in a time when the left wants to prosecute it's main opponent. I can't believe that with all the investigating of this man, they haven't found anything to convict him with, not even something as common as undervaluing holdings for the purpose of paying less taxes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    2 years ago

"Basically, I think this case broke down because they were trying to squeeze one individual into testifying against Trump. We live in a time when the left wants to prosecute it's main opponent. I can't believe that with all the investigating of this man, they haven't found anything to convict him with, not even something as common as undervaluing holdings for the purpose of paying less taxes."

Projection

Denial

You missed deflection.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago

So it's all up to the Jan 6th committee?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago

You are deflecting just fine. 

So where are the charges against Trump? So many investigations and nothing to show for it.

Down to one last bullet in the chamber- the partisan Jan 6th committee that overstepped it's intended purpose a long time ago. Clock is ticking on them. Will they be able to manufacture enough evidence to get the most corrupt partisan DOJ ever to bring charges? Or will they be reminded that any defense will have a right to see all of the evidence- including that which the committee has ignored on purpose. 

As bat shit crazy TDS Cheney put it so bluntly.

“We cannot both embrace the big lie and embrace the constitution ... I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office.”

Bring that statement before a judge and see what happens. If she wasn't so crazed with TDS she might just realize she is giving any defense all the rope they need to hang the committee. 

I can't stand Trump; but I will take him over all the bat shit crazy Democrats (excluding Manchin and Sinema who might not be Democrats for much longer anyways. A trade of Cheney and Kinzinger to the Democrats and Manchin and Sinema to the Republicans would be very welcome. Guaranteed Cheney and Kinzinger would be kicked out of the Democrat Party before the first vote came up.). 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    2 years ago

the two prosecutors quit, not because they believe he is innocent, but because they believe he is guilty and going to get away with it. and these two knew more about the case than anyone. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 years ago

How would Donald Trump get away with anything?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 years ago

You do understand that the two prosecutors that quit wanted to criminally charge Trump, dont you? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 years ago

I'm sure of it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.4  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 years ago

"Mr. Bragg was not the only one to question the strength of the case, the interviews show. Late last year, three career prosecutors in the district attorney's office opted to leave the investigation, uncomfortable with the speed at which it was proceeding and with what they maintained were gaps in the evidence. The tension spilled into the new administration, with some career prosecutors raising concerns directly to the new district attorney's team.

"I wouldn't be surprised if other prosecutors agonize over charging Trump. Not because they believe he's above the law, but because of issues with the evidence they have," he added. "If you're convinced that other prosecutors are doing nothing, they might be doing what this one did."

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.5  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    2 years ago

Of course they did. What a stepping stone to bigger and better things. High profile case against a former PotUS

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.5    2 years ago

Only if you win. If you lose you can't get a job as a dog catcher. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    2 years ago
Please quote them saying exactly that then.

Jump in the fricking lake. Im not going to do your thinking for you. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.11  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    2 years ago
conceivably be a front-runner for the Democratic nominee for President!

Michael Avenatti comes to mind LMAO

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    2 years ago

The two prosecutors quit because their boss let them know he was likely not going to approve an indictment of Trump. Does someone have to draw you a picture? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.12    2 years ago

Prove it. It should be simple enough.

While you are at it prove they had enough evidence to convict. 

Texan1211 is correct the prosecutor that got charges to stick on Trump would move to the front of the line of Democrat Party. He would be the instant front runner for them for POTUS. He could unite TDS sufferers everywhere!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    2 years ago
No one asked you to think. I know better.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.12    2 years ago
The two prosecutors quit because their boss let them know he was likely not going to approve an indictment of Trump

And according to the article there are issues with the evidence.  Which, really is not surprising given the track record of "investigations" into Trump.  For some reason they just can't get the evidence to back up conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.18    2 years ago

He and a few others.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.20  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.8    2 years ago
"Jump in the fricking lake. Im not going to do your thinking for you."

You don't have a valid argument

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.20    2 years ago

No, you never do.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 years ago

What they knew was that the evidence to convict simply isn't there

 
 
 
Hallux
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5  Hallux    2 years ago

I lurv steeplechase articles that clarify nothing ... @!@ ... Can I shoot the horse?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5    2 years ago

"I lurv steeplechase articles that clarify nothing ... @!@ ... Can I shoot the horse?"

That's all some have!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago
Late last year, three career prosecutors in the district attorney's office opted to leave the investigation, uncomfortable with the speed at which it was proceeding and with what they maintained were gaps in the evidence. The tension spilled into the new administration, with some career prosecutors raising concerns directly to the new district attorney's team.

Sounds like every other "investigation" into Trump.  Run off feelings and lacking evidence.

 
 

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