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How To Parent Through Pride Month

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  last year  •  239 comments

By:   Elise Temme (The Federalist)

How To Parent Through Pride Month
Families need a plan of action during pride month. My husband and I outlined how to encourage our children in the truth this June.

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"Look, Mommy! A rainbow flag!"

My 4-year-old daughter excitedly pointed at a suburban front porch as we drove home from a luncheon with friends. I shifted uncomfortably in the passenger seat and paused before responding to my precocious preschooler who has a penchant for princesses, unicorns, and rainbows. On one hand, it would be easy to say, "Yes, that is a rainbow flag," and move on with the day. However, I could not, in good conscience, sidestep her comment. To ignore my child's statement of excitement over this brightly colored banner would be to ignore an issue that subverts our family's beliefs, principles, and basic values.

"Yes, that is," I replied. "But we don't support that rainbow flag." I anticipated her follow-up question: "Why not?"

I turned around in my seat and gently explained how some people believe that women can be married to women and men can be married to men. I referenced the part of the creation story in Genesis 1:27 where God made Adam and Eve — male and female he created them. The rest of the drive home was quiet. I thought about our brief conversation and the following questions that will undoubtedly arise as my children grow older and become more observant about the culturally divided world around them.

Our discussion reminded me of my own introduction to the topic of homosexuality. I was much older than my daughter, however — perhaps 11 or 12. Naturally, the conversation I had with my mother as a preadolescent was much deeper and more unsettling than the exchange I had with my daughter. My mother brought up the topic of homosexuality because she knew I was mature enough to handle the knowledge; I was on the brink of my teenage years, after all, and already had a basic understanding of concepts like procreation and human sexuality.

In contrast, I engaged in the conversation with my daughter — who is nowhere near her adolescent years — because my only other option was to feign ignorance. The stark difference between these conversations was unsettling to me because so much has changed since I was a child. The left today forces its ideologies about sexuality and the sexes on everyone, even small children, with the entire month of June dedicated to the public and corporate praise of these ideas.

The next time my children go to the library, the grocery store, or even watch someone open an internet browser, they will most likely see pride flags. If I had chosen to avoid the conversation during our drive home, the topic would have still come up at some point.

How will you answer your young children when they come to you with questions and observations about homosexuality? It is imperative for families to have a plan of action, especially during pride month. My husband and I decided to outline some ways to encourage our children in the truth throughout the month of June.

Five Practical Suggestions


First, read Genesis 1-3 as a family. The biblical accounts of creation and the fall into sin not only reveal God's design for marriage and families, but are also reminders of how that order is subverted. Additionally, it is important to remember that all sin is sin in God's eyes, whether it is theft, homosexuality, dishonesty, gossip, etc. Speaking the truth about God's created order must be done in love.

Second, read Genesis 6-9. The biblical account of Noah, the flood, and God's ensuing covenant reminds us of God's promises, particularly His guarantee to protect His own in the ark of faith through Christ Jesus. Furthermore, this passage presents the perfect opportunity to discuss the true origin of the rainbow.

Third, invest in quality literature to teach your children about human sexuality in an age-appropriate fashion. I recommend Concordia Publishing House's Learning About Sex series. While I have only utilized the first book in the series, Why Boys and Girls are Different, I do know that the series is well-written, builds upon itself gradually, and is straightforward, allowing parents to use it with discretion according to their children's needs. I would also recommend reading series such as this on your own before reading them with your child in order to anticipate their questions ahead of time.

Fourth, rejoice with your children in their identities beyond their sexuality. Everyone has many stations in life to which they are called, whether that be a brother, sister, son, daughter, student, friend, cousin, neighbor, etc. Recognize unique attributes in your children and discuss the importance of these unique vocations with them.

Fifth, remind yourself that you cannot control every single item or agenda your children are exposed to, but you can control how you address these things. As parents, we of course must be discerning and proactive about the movies, books, TV shows, and social media accessible to our children. However, there is no way to completely shield them from the brokenness of the world. The best thing we can do is continue in our calling as parents — leading our children by example, guiding them in the truth, and equipping them to remain steadfast.

Elise Temme is a stay-at-home mother of three children. In her spare time, she serves as an organist at her church.



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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    last year

Words of wisdom in the era of the left.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

Bigoted words from those on the right

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1    last year

Back to calling people names. You are working hard, but you picked the wrong article.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.2  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    last year

I picked the wrong article? How so? Am I not allowed to call certain views bigoted?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    last year

[Deleted.  As you have been told countless times, comments are fair game for negative assessment.  Please review the CoC.]

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.4  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    last year

Decent people? Give me a break.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.4    last year
Decent people?

People who care about their kids.


Give me a break.

In about 1 hour.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.6  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    last year

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Greg Jones
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1.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    last year

What's bigoted about it?  Is everyone whose views differ from yours a bigot? 

Are people of the Jewish and Muslim faiths all bigots. Or are just biased against Christians?

Many leftist bigots are experts at name calling and labeling, and not much else.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.8  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.7    last year

Has a gay person harmed you today?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @1.1    last year
Bigoted words from those on the right

Well that is a pretty bigoted statement.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @1.1.8    last year
Has a gay person harmed you today?

Has the mother of a four year old hurt you today?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.7    last year
Is everyone whose views differ from yours a bigot? 

According to Joe yes, and an Extreme MAGA too.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.12  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.9    last year

Says the people that want to diminish gay people.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @1.1.12    last year
Says the people that want to diminish gay people.

"Bigoted words from those on the right"

Says someone that knows what bigot means

"Bigot. a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.14  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.13    last year

So in other words, religion...

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.15  afrayedknot  replied to  Ender @1.1.14    last year

Mirror, mirror…

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.16  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    last year
You seem to think you can taunt and not get points here.

This is what it's all about ... @!@

Back to the article, I tremble at what my daughter, who had a gay couple as godparents, would have become had she been so unblessed as to have the proselytizing author as a parent. Gadzooks!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.7    last year
Is everyone whose views differ from yours a bigot? 

Isn't that the left's way?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.18  afrayedknot  replied to  Hallux @1.1.16    last year

She is fortunate. She is engaged. She is a voice of understanding.

Good on her, you, and all who choose to deal in reality, reason and compassion.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.19  Hallux  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.18    last year
She is engaged. Recently ... her wedding present, a Spring Snow Crabapple  512
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @1.1.14    last year
So in other words, religion...

So in other words attempt to put words in my mouth in hopes I will defend something I never said.  Fairly standard stuff.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.20    last year
So in other words attempt to put words in my mouth in hopes I will defend something I never said.  Fairly standard stuff.

Sure does get old, huh?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.22  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.20    last year

I never said you said that. I was using that as an example of the description you gave...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.7    last year
Is everyone whose views differ from yours a bigot?

Bigot, racist, Nazi, Extreme MAGA and/or phobe of the day.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.24  bugsy  replied to  Ender @1.1.12    last year
Says the people that want to diminish gay people.

Who are these people and what exactly are they doing to "diminish" gay people.

If you reply, use facts and not feelings.

Thanks,

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @1.1.12    last year
Says the people that want to diminish gay people.

You do realize that the vast majority of the people you are referring to, actually DON'T GIVE A FUCK if somebody is gay right.  

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.26  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.25    last year

Then why all the hysterics and boycotts and bans...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.21    last year
Sure does get old, huh?

Not to mention boring

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.25    last year
the vast majority of the people you are referring to, actually DON'T GIVE A FUCK if somebody is gay right.  

The concept of age appropriate seems to be lost on some people.  They automatically go straight to "hate gay people".

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.29  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.28    last year

That and an "in your face" tactic to demand that 99.5 percent of the country not only accept, but embrace the lifestyle of the less than one percent. .

If I don't agree to your lifestyle, it does not mean I don't like gay people.....and it does not make me, or anyone else, a bigot.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @1.1.29    last year
That and an "in your face" tactic to demand that 99.5 percent of the country not only accept, but embrace the lifestyle of the less than one percent. .

Live and let live is no longer enough.  If you aren't an activist and all in to everything they want the name calling begins.  That tactic is becoming less and less effective as more and more people are saying "enough" and not allowing themselves to be put on the defensive anymore.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.31  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @1.1.26    last year

It's all explained.  You just have to pay attention

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.28    last year

That's the result of ignorance.  But then again many of these people seem to support preying in children.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.33  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.31    last year

Justify bigotry. That is what I am seeing. So yes, I have been paying attention.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.34  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.32    last year

Homosexuals do not prey on children. That is a lie straight out of the 1950's playbook on LYING about homosexuals and therefore, heterosexuals WITCH-HUNTING homosexuals (as PREY). My best advice to republicans: UPDATE THE PHOBIA PLAYBOOK so as to get and maintain an accurate assessment of who actually preys on children (pedophiles) before making 'bumbling' disinformation statements that make the lot of you look old, tired, and out of touch with reality.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.35  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.25    last year

Oh the vast majority of republicans and conservatives demonstrate on a daily basis the politics of giving a fuck about homosexuals and their existences. Case in point: these dodgy attempts to re-stigmatize homosexuals as deviants and people without decency who (in your words) "prey" on children. Again, that is a lie straight out the 1950's video production packages and the government, our government, mislabeling and abusing homosexuals as lurching to turn children gay.

The fact is there is no individual involved in a homosexual relationship who does not want to be involved in it—including the so-called, "on the down-low" AKA: Trade. 

Incidentally, conservatives make sure to make their opinions known to everybody within earshot of them that this a country for heterosexuals!  So much so that homosexuals are always chasing getting out from under the majority viewpoint. Thankfully, the majority view point is shifting to inclusive- yes that word, which conservatives are working so hard to turn into dirt, vomit, and puke.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.36  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.34    last year

You are going to have to do better to convince me of your point.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.37  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.35    last year
Oh the vast majority of republicans and conservatives demonstrate on a daily basis the politics of giving a fuck about homosexuals and their existences.

And it's laughable you think I'm going to take you at your word.  

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.38  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.36    last year

You are here 'today' giving a shit, eh? What about 'tomorrow' will you comment on this subject matter as well: That's called: giving a shit (enough to show up and comment.)

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.39  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.37    last year

Jeremy, I am well pass the laughing stage with today's conservatives.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.40  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @1.1    last year

The real bigoted words are coming from the left.    

Against parents and kids who have the temerity to live their lives differently than they see fit.    Therefore, the left tries to dominate those who don’t goose-step exactly to their preferred narrative with a faux moral superiority.

And make no mistake.    It is a fake moral superiority.

Most definitely .....

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.41  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.40    last year

As evidenced by the two hundred anti-heterosexual laws introduced by liberals in state legislatures? GTFOOH...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.42  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @1.1.41    last year

Nah, I’ll stay right here.    Where the real bigotry evidence of the left is alive and well.     No nonexistent links required.    

Just real words, in real posts.  

Right here .....

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.43  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @1.1.26    last year

Sheer ignorance and hate and bigotry against LGBTQ folks - essentially putting targets on their backs.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.44  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.43    last year

Makes me wonder why these folks are so afraid of gay people. Me thinks they may have some skeletons in their own closets.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.45  Ender  replied to  JBB @1.1.41    last year

For some reason, some people are acting like those things never happened...

Truly bizarre. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2  afrayedknot    last year

Looks like grooming and indoctrination are all around us, eh? Seems natural that honesty and tolerance and empathy should be the tenets, not dogma or stigmatizing or disdain. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2    last year
grooming

That may be one of those leftist words that holds a grain of truth.


 Seems natural that honesty and tolerance and empathy should be the tenets

Do what you want, just stay away from our kids.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year

Your kids? Yes the grooming is real, from republicans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    last year
Your kids?

They are not everybody's kids. They don't belong to Joe Biden or AOC.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.3  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    last year

They don't belong to you either

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.3    last year

In this case they belong to Elise Temme

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.5  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    last year

So you agree with teaching children to hate others at a young age.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    last year

That is called CRT. I'm absolutely against that.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.7  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    last year

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afrayedknot
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2.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    last year

It is pitiful that the ‘words’ of a ‘loving god’ are bastardized to spew hate, intolerance, intimidation and actual violence against anyone that dare not speak or live a life that may contradict their oh, so limited world view. 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.9  Ender  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.8    last year

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.8    last year

Where is the violence that Elise Temme is calling for?

You can do whatever you like, just stay away from the kids.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.11  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.10    last year

Why should he stay away from kids?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.11    last year

Who is he?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.13  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    last year
You can do whatever you like, just stay away from the kids.

That was your direct quote to the person above you. Why should that poster stay away from kids?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.13    last year
That was your direct quote to the person above you.

You are really working hard.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.15  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.14    last year

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afrayedknot
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2.1.16  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.14    last year

“You are really working hard.”

Not nearly as hard as those that would rather mete out meaningless, totally subjective ‘tickets’ rather than engage in a meaningful, objective conversation. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    last year
So you agree with teaching children to hate others at a young age.

Why are you rather poorly attempting to put words in his mouth?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.18  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    last year

You're trolling again. The left is grooming and indoctrinating kids right in plain sight...and seems to be proud of itself.

Fury Erupts After School Uses $4,000 of Covid Funds to Host Drag Shows for Kids (townhall.com)

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Ender
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2.1.19  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.18    last year

Oh gee. A drag queen. How terrible...s/

What in the hell do you think religious indoctrination is?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.20  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    last year

You all keep on with this kind of shit. See how far it gets you in the next election...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2.1.20    last year
You all keep on with this kind of shit.

It wasn't me putting words in others' mouths, that was all YOU!

own it!

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.22  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.21    last year

I am not the one here thinking gay people are dangerous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2.1.22    last year
I am not the one here thinking gay people are dangerous.

Well, bully for you!

Now, if you could quote me saying gay people are dangerous, you might actually have a point, otherwise, why address that nonsense to me?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.23    last year

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.24    last year

LMAO!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.26  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @2.1.20    last year
"You all keep on with this kind of shit. See how far it gets you in the next election..."

The left are the ones trying to sell this bullshit, and not succeeding with most American citizens, who are rational, logical, and normal. Good luck with the next elections...

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Ender
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2.1.27  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.26    last year

I am not the one that gets my panties in a wad over seeing a person in drag.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.28  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    last year

Pity

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.29  Gordy327  replied to  Ender @2.1.27    last year
I am not the one that gets my panties in a wad over seeing a person in drag.

As a kid, I remember Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, et al dress in drag multiple times. There was no outrage then and no one cared. It seems some people just need something to complain about. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.30  bugsy  replied to  Ender @2.1.27    last year

Let me ask you this.

If a gay person enjoys reading to children, why do they have to dress up as women to do so?

Why not just volunteer their time to read wearing normal street clothes?

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
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2.1.31  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.30    last year

You think all drag queens are gay.  See this right here is part of the problem.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.32  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    last year
So you agree with teaching children to hate others at a young age.

Where exactly is the "hate"?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.33  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.31    last year
You think all drag queens are gay

The vast majority of them are.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.34  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.31    last year
You think all drag queens are gay.  See this right here is the problem.  

Nah.

The problem is that those particular drag queens are definitely, obviously trying to groom children and people are actually defending the behavior.

It's fascinating how... if I show up to story time wearing nothing but a g-string and dance around with a 4 year old girl, you'll have me arrested (rightfully so).  But if I wear a feather boa also, well.... that's all fine then. 

And anybody who points out the complete insanity of those two ideas existing simultaneously is a "bigot" or somehow scared of something.

Monty Python couldn't write something that ridiculous.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
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2.1.35  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.33    last year

Prove it.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
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2.1.36  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.34    last year

There it is the so called "grooming".  You all have proven that you have no fucking idea what a groomer is.  You all learned a new word and everything you don't like is "grooming".  Meanwhile, you people calling everyone a "groomer" actually is insulting to people who have actually been groomed into sex work, sex slaves, sex trades, and pedophile rings.  

It's fascinating how... if I show up to story time wearing nothing but a g-string and dance around with a 4 year old girl, you'll have me arrested (rightfully so).  But if I wear a feather boa also, well.... that's all fine then.

That's more of the right making shit up to get pissed off about.  It doesn't fucking happen.   

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.37  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.35    last year
Prove it.

Is this LGBTQ website lying?

"Though most drag queens are gay men and queer men, some are transgender and cisgender women".

A simple google search would have found the proof you are seeking.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
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2.1.38  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.37    last year

That's an LGBTQ mental health resource site which LGBTQ people wouldn't need if ya'll weren't such bullies to them.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.39  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.38    last year

Yea... that's your cover when facts are presented to you.

Nice fail.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.40  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.39    last year

No, that's not my cover.  You picked the first LGBTQ site you could find without looking at it to see that it's actually a resource for mental health for LBGTQ people.  The only fail here is YOU.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.1.41  afrayedknot  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.36    last year

“That's more of the right making shit up to get pissed off about.”

Parsing words, debating definitions, hanging on threads that mean nothing. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.42  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.40    last year
it's actually a resource for mental health for LBGTQ people. 

But the fact remains the same that I gave the proof you asked for.

Just because you don't like it is not my problem.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.43  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.42    last year

The fact is you gave info from a site that doesn't deal in the subject at hand but used it anyway because it was the first LGBTQ site you saw and you used it because you thought that it's a site that has to be accepted solely because it's LGBTQ.  Again,  the only failure here is you.  Just because you used a mental health resource site and you don't like that you got push back for it is not my problem. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.44  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.36    last year
You all have proven that you have no fucking idea what a groomer is. 

I'm sure you'd like to think so. But I coached for 30 years.   So .... in your mind... all that mandatory training we had to take on "how to recognize sexual predators and what to do about it" was just nonsense.    I guess that goes in the same category as the obvious physical advantages men have when they compete in women's sports that somehow don't exist if it's inconvenient for liberal zealots.

It doesn't fucking happen.

Except for when it does and they get it on video.

Again, when reality and liberal ideology conflict, we're all supposed to pretend reality doesn't actually exist.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.45  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.38    last year
That's an LGBTQ mental health resource site which LGBTQ people wouldn't need if ya'll weren't such bullies to them.  

Well I'm glad we got to the crux of everything so quickly.

This is all about your feelings and how you're so upset about bullying you have no reservations about demanding the rest of us ignore the obvious.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.46  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.44    last year

Then you know you're using the word "groomer" wrong intentionally which makes you look even worse, and no it doesn't happen. 

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.47  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.45    last year

No, I've pointed out facts while conservatives are being bullies because they are feeling angry that LGBTQ people exist. 

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.48  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.44    last year

BTFW more grooming happens by coaches than LGBTQ people.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.49  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.46    last year
Then you know you're using the word "groomer" wrong

Except I'm not.  

It is absolutely happening.  You just "feel" more sympathy for the drag queens than you do for the kids, so you're willing to pretend.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.50  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.49    last year

Except, you are using it wrong and for the wrong people, and it's a slap in the face and insulting to those that have actually been abused by real groomers. 

It is absolutely not happening, and this has nothing to do with my "feelings" (apparently you conservatives have absolutely no feelings whatsoever since everything you perceive as being based on so called feelings is apparently liberal in nature, while nothing on the conservative side is based on any feelings whatsoever which is totally incorrect since most conservatives are just angry, which is a "feeling", all of the time about anything and everything, not just made up crap about drag queens and LBGTQ people).   More children are groomed by coaches than drag queens, and no it's not sympathy for drag queens over children.  It's just not happening like you all have been told by your masters that it is.  BTFW - NEVER tell me what my feelings are about pedophiles since I was abused by a STRAIGHT MALE when I was a child.  I know more about living with abuse than you ever will so you are not qualified to speak for me EVER.  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.51  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.49    last year

Ok, show me where a drag queens are grooming kids.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.52  JBB  replied to  Ender @2.1.51    last year

It's not just about kids, I heard that some gays are grooming dogs! 

original

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.53  Ender  replied to  JBB @2.1.52    last year

To me religious indoctrination is actually grooming kids yet for some reason that is defended almost in a militaristic style.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.54  JBB  replied to  Ender @2.1.53    last year

I agree, and it is a travesty how much right wing evangelical religious indoctrination still goes on, especially in small or rural school districts. It takes lots of courage for individual parents and their kids to stand up against that in isolated communities...

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.56  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.55    last year

Where the fuck did I say that grooming is not a real thing?  Point it out to me, because I never said that.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.57  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.50    last year
Except, you are using it wrong and for the wrong people, and it's a slap in the face and insulting to those that have actually been abused by real groomers.

I'm not using it incorrectly.  And most children who have been abused by groomers became victims because their parents and other adults refused to acknowledge it was happening.  

It is absolutely not happening, and this has nothing to do with my "feelings"

It is very obviously happening and your denial has everything to do with your feelings, which you demonstrate thoroughly throughout the rest of your post.

More children are groomed by coaches than drag queens,

Which hardly seems a reason to turn a blind eye to either.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.58  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.57    last year

Yes, you are using it wrong.  It is not happening.  It has nothing to do with my "feelings" (again, conservatives must not have feelings except for anger since that's all they display), and while you focus on a teeny tiny miniscule portion pedophiles, you miss the bigger picture and are accusing everyone you don't like of being a "groomer" or a "groomer supporter", again, taking focus away from real groomers and their victims, but it's not like you care since apparently conservatives have no feelings.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.59  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.51    last year
Ok, show me where a drag queens are grooming kids.

Two hallmarks of grooming are the attempt to desensitize victims, usually to both touch and discussion of sexual topics, and the attempt to make that sexualized behavior seem natural.  They're ticking both of those boxes exceedingly well.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.60  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.58    last year
Yes, you are using it wrong.  It is not happening.

I'm very sure that's exactly what the parents of all those Catholic school kids said.

and while you focus on a teeny tiny miniscule portion pedophiles, you miss the bigger picture and are accusing everyone you don't like of being a "groomer" or a "groomer supporter"

Citation?  Or do you just "feel" like that's what I must be thinking?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.61  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.59    last year

That showed no such thing.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.62  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.61    last year
That showed no such thing.

You have a grown man in a g-string with fake tits dancing around with a small child.

Desensitize - check

Make it seem natural - check

The hilarious thing about all this is that if you went somewhere and a 40-year-old man wearing only a g-string wanted to dance around with your little girl, you'd think that was creepy as shit and call the cops.  But if he wears a feather boa with it, that's 100% OK then.  

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.63  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.60    last year
Citation?  Or do you just "feel" like that's what I must be thinking?

No citation needed.  The FACT is one only needs to read conservatives' comments to see that's what you and conservatives in general are doing.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.64  Texan1211  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.63    last year

Why don't you just provide a couple of quotes from the comments here? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.65  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.62    last year

What the hell do you think people see going to a beach or a pool. Jeez...

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.66  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.62    last year
The hilarious thing about all this is that if you went somewhere and a 40-year-old man wearing only a g-string wanted to dance around with your little girl, you'd think that was creepy as shit and call the cops.  But if he wears a feather boa with it, that's 100% OK then.  

Same old recycled comment regarding an entertainment event, and no the video did not show any dancing whatsoever.  All it showed was a still picture of a drag queen (entertainer) holding a child's hand.  The fact that YOU FEEL it's creepy is you projecting your FEELINGS on the event.  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.67  Ender  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.66    last year

I guess the next time I see someone dancing with a kid at the beach I should call the cops...s/

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.68  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Ender @2.1.67    last year

I know, right.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.69  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.43    last year
The fact is you gave info from a site that doesn't deal in the subject at hand but used it anyway because it was the first LGBTQ site you saw and you used it because you thought that it's a site that has to be accepted solely because it's LGBTQ.  Again,  the only failure here is you.  Just because you used a mental health resource site and you don't like that you got push back for it is not my problem. 

Let's recap.

I made a statement that drag the vast majority of queens are gay males.

You replied "prove it"

I gave you a link and a sentence from a website that SPECIFICALLY said exactly what you asked proof for.

So, instead of arguing what was presented to you as proof that was requested, you attack me for using a website that you say has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The subject at hand was me proving to you that most drag queens are gay men and I did so. Doesn't matter the source. Hell, the source I cited was an LGBT site.

If you don't like being called out, then I highly suggest you stop asking for proof of things that easily provable.

Maybe then you will stop embarrassing yourself.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.70  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.69    last year
Hell, the source I cited was an LGBT site.

Yes, I know it was a LGBTQ site as I pointed out that you only used that site because it was an LBGTQ site and as such you thought everyone would have to accept it.  However,  you failed to notice that it's a mental health resource site for LGBTQ and not a news or statistical data site.  Apparently your reading compression is lacking.  And you called out nothing and embarrassed yourself by using a mental health resource site solely because you saw LGBTQ in the site name.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.71  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.59    last year

This is idiocy. And DeSantis is INCONSISTENT to state outloud that Florida is the "freeest state" - when he does all he can (in actions taken) to suppress a minority class simply because they do not suit his republican worldview.  And by the way, what is wrong with a child dancing (around) playfully with a drag queen. Nothing.

That is, nothing is wrong with a drag queen dancing around with a child/ren, that is, unlike one does not like and disapproves of drag queens. Still, that is politics and does not have a damn thing to do with morality (right and wrong).

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.72  CB  replied to  Ender @2.1.61    last year

Emphatically. Thank you!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.73  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.62    last year

"Captain Obvious" if a  man is "without a cause" and has private "designs" on seeking sex with a child then, and only then, will you have a case.

From the claim you're making, it is as if you can see a -tell- that the drag queen is desirous of sex with a tiny girl! Think about it. What is the 'attraction' you see happening there?

What is "creepy as shit' is - since the child in the photograph is present in the moment - a parent/s and/or other responsible party was present too. However, based on a picture, you and "DeSantimonious" INSERT your private judgements. . . that drag queen "hi-jinks" and the like are not your cup of tea and therefore, should not be any other parents either.

That is you and "DeSantimonious" issue. Not the clubs or restaurants!

FOR THE RECORD A PERSON WHO DESIRES SEX WITH A CHILD IN THIS COUNTRY HAS A CLASSIFICATION: PEDOPHILE.

He/she is not an average drag queen. Of course, exceptions can happen. But we don't make law for exceptional cases of malicious and mischievous acts.

As to watch you and "DeSantimonious" think about a "grown man with. . . tits" should hold no sway on the actions taking place. Where is the crime? Is it the "g-string" that offends you, then say that!

If it the tits? Say that!

Is it the dress, makeup, and high-heels?  Say that!

Is it the campiness of the show?  Say that!

Is it tastelessness by the performer you won't excuse? Say that!

But to try to blow it all out of proportions it makes your crowd the oddballs who do not know how to loosen up and let live!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.74  CB  replied to  Ender @2.1.65    last year

And by the way, kids see and ignore the "obvious" tasteless act and foul-mouths of adults all the time. Still, these performers would do well to rein it in for the good of being considered. Common sense should reign supreme when (drag) show organizers state the policy ahead of time. Gross entertainment or even 'straying' from the planned presentation, is still gross.

It does not give "DeSantimonious" and his supporters reason to cancel the culture of drag queen performances in places of liberty, justice, and the freedom of speech is permitted!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.1.75  MrFrost  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.55    last year
Grooming is a real thing.

It's weird right? Never have had an LGBTQ person on my porch trying to convert me but bible bastards? You bet, about once a month.....

Sorry, what were saying about grooming? 

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
2.1.76  Thomas  replied to  bugsy @2.1.30    last year
If a gay person enjoys reading to children, why do they have to dress up as women to do so?

Why not just volunteer their time to read wearing normal street clothes?

Maybe those are what they want to be normal street clothing. Maybe they aren't even gay. 

I cannot fathom why people have a problem with this.  Oh! Wait. Yes I can. People feel threatened, especially big macho types, by pink spandex...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.77  Jack_TX  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.63    last year
No citation needed. 

So you're making shit up to fit your feelings.

Again.

The FACT is one only needs to read conservatives' comments to see that's what you and conservatives in general are doing.  

And yet you can't manage to find even one.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.78  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.65    last year
What the hell do you think people see going to a beach or a pool. Jeez...

I've been to a shitload of beaches and pools without seeing men wearing fake tits to take little girls they don't know by the hand and walk off with them.

I don't know where you go to the beach, but I assure you it's not what normally happens.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.79  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.78    last year

Are you actually going to state that you think this drag queen was dragging off a young girl for nefarious purpose...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.80  CB  replied to  bugsy @2.1.30    last year

Let me see if I have this right: What disturbs your sensibilities is the style and feminine posturing of the homosexual and not fact that s/he might attempt to "groom" (as conservatives say) the child listeners. Well! That belies the framing of the narrative that homosexuals want to groom (sex up) a child/ren.

It is the "get up" that is the actual distraction for conservatives, eh?

Why don't conservatives just say so?! That conservatives are more interested in the lines about boys and girls and men and women looking the part of a rank heterosexual even if they are not?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.81  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.71    last year
This is idiocy.

Yes it is.

That is, nothing is wrong with a drag queen dancing around with a child/ren,

And you are apparently determined to continue that idiocy.

that is, unlike one does not like and disapproves of drag queens.

Nice try, but utter nonsense.

"Family-friendly" drag shows are as inappropriate as "family-friendly" strip clubs.   Yet some people attempt to defend the former because their political religion dictates they cannot ever, ever admit that their favorite group of victims might just be going a bit overboard.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.82  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.81    last year

Where have you found a "family-friendly strip club on your journey? Please share the state and local gathering hole where that happened. Then, we might allow the comparison.

And we know, "family-friendly" drag shows occur because we have pics of parents, moms-dads-child/ren lining the walls and center of the floors and even taking photos with the "outrageous" queens making the most of the moment!

It's all good clean fun, but of course, the 'straight-lace' party poopers won't come in to see that nothing remarkably dark and dirty is happening to either parents or children. Conservatives just stand outside the 'guardrails' and point accusatory fingers and demand everybody do as they say (and not as they do)!

BTW, if conservatives were CONSISTENT they would request the drag queens not use their freedom of expression to be 'seedy' around kids AND THEIR PARENTS attending THEIR event! Instead conservatives show their motivation is not the kids or parents wishes or eyeballs; it is to cast drag queens as men with 'fake tits' who are sexual predators-even though they can't prove it beyond one or two queens or homosexuals acting badly!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.83  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.73    last year
From the claim you're making, it is as if you can see a -tell- that the drag queen is desirous of sex with a tiny girl! Think about it. What is the 'attraction' you see happening there?

That is not how grooming works.  Get some training and try again.

What is "creepy as shit' is - since the child in the photograph is present in the moment - a parent/s and/or other responsible party was present too.

They probably were, but that doesn't matter.  The vast majority of groomers interact with their victims with the knowledge and often blessing of the families.

That is you and "DeSantimonious" issue. Not the clubs or restaurants!

It's actually state law in Florida, and has been since the 1940s.

He/she is not an average drag queen

The "average" drag queen isn't targeting children during their performance.

But this is not an "average" person problem.  A pedophile is not the "average" anything.  Rudy Kos wasn't the "average" priest.  John Sandusky was not the "average" football coach. 

Where is the crime?

It is against Florida law (and most other states) to allow minors into a sexually explicit performance, especially if alcohol is served.  The law was originally designed to protect children from their irresponsible fathers taking them to strip clubs when a babysitter wasn't available.  

Is it the dress, makeup, and high-heels?  Say that!

It's the children.

If you have been paying any attention at all, you are aware that I object to children being involved in sexually explicit events.

Are you paying careful attention now?  Let me repeat this for you....   It's.... the...... children.

My entire view on all of this is summed up in one sentence:   "Not in front of the kids."

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.84  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.79    last year
Are you actually going to state that you think this drag queen was dragging off a young girl for nefarious purpose...

Not yet, no.  That's not how grooming works.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.85  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.80    last year
Let me see if I have this right: What disturbs your sensibilities is the style and feminine posturing of the homosexual and not fact that s/he might attempt to "groom" (as conservatives say) the child listeners.

No.  You don't have it right.  But then you never do guess correctly.

Again... it's very simple:  Not in front of the kids.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.86  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.83    last year
From the claim you're making, it is as if you can see a -tell- that the drag queen is desirous of sex with a tiny girl! Think about it. What is the 'attraction' you see happening there?
That is not how grooming works.  Get some training and try again.

No, I am going to bed, but while I am away. . . you can do something constructive, like explain what grooming means to conservatives in context of this little girl you selected to show us, because as it is right now you are just standing in 'discussion' -in the way actually of it and throwing out accusations about people you IMPLY could never be on your list of favorable people.

If you conservatives know how grooming works  this request of mine (regarding the image of a little girl holding a drag queen's hand you posted above) should be easy-peasy to inform the lot of us.

See you on Saturday (if you are here).

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.87  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.84    last year

Give me a break Jack. We all know you are a smart guy. Playing with people's lives and demonizing people, if it keeps up, may have real world consequences.

Do you want to be a part of that? Do you really believe a simple drag show is this conspiracy to make all kids gay?

Is real Jack there?

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
2.1.88  Thomas  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.59    last year
Two hallmarks of grooming are the attempt to desensitize victims, usually to both touch and discussion of sexual topics, and the attempt to make that sexualized behavior seem natural. They're ticking both of those boxes exceedingly well.

Where is the sexualized behavior in these photos? Was it dancing or just the fact that one of the participants was wearing what appeared to be a bikini? (I found the actual clip. It was a drag queen strutting wearing a bikini bottom and pasties while leading a little girl by the hand) Was it holding the toddler by the hand? Was there inappropriate touching? 

So where is the grooming here? I see none. Questionable parenting maybe, but no grooming. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.89  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.83    last year
They probably were, but that doesn't matter.  The vast majority of groomers interact with their victims with the knowledge and often blessing of the families.

Well, in that case, maybe it YOU and other conservatives who should file a formal complaint-since you indicate parents are deficient in understanding what these drag queens are "really" doing. That way we can take your 'concern' out of the realm of speculation and into the realm of determination.

The drag queen in your picture will be proven to be a groomer or not! If not, the drag queen holding a little girl's hand will have cause to sue the 'pack of conservatives' for liable or slander!

Moreover, conservatives are being INCONSISTENT yet again! Because on one hand you conservatives say that PARENTS should decide what right for their kids to participate in—but NOT THE PARENTS that were present at the event/s! Implying that somehow conservatives not attending the event/s can divine from a great distance what is really happening.

Admit it, this is not about kids at all or poor parenting!  Conservatives are jealous and fearful of the liberty, freedom, and potential prosperity that drag can bring these queens! And, conservatives are willing to lie and exploit drag queens to get to have their way with them!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.90  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.83    last year
If you have been paying any attention at all, you are aware that I object to children being involved in sexually explicit events.

No its not the children. And more to the point, it is not about conservative children. Because conservative children won't be allowed to attend drag shows anyway - rather they break with the decision once made and do so.

It is about conservatives messing around in other people business in an attempt to keep those people 'captured' to your beliefs about what is right and wrong; and to that end conservatives will exploit children to get their way.

As for the sexually explicit event. . . do tell me, where is the sexual act taking place there?  Point. It. Out. Or cease and desist trying to frame a (pedophile) narrative just to divide people.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.91  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.85    last year

Well, stop exploiting the kids by pretending this is about them. They have parents on the premises when these events take place. Respect those parents and their kids!  And stop dividing people over otherwise harmless activities. And if there is one or several misguided queens to be found out; be consistent! Conservatives say they deal with individuals, separately. Here you are supporting the 'blue-lighting' of a whole class of activities!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.92  CB  replied to  Thomas @2.1.88    last year

Conservatives see grooming, because they see queens as over-sexualized  'creatures' and hedonist. Apparently, a queen is always on the hunt for something to satisfy 'her' nether-regions according to conservatives. Though one could wonder if that would be the case (if it even is the case - it is not) if conservatives would get the hell out of the way and let these people find their way into mainstream society with the dehumanizing verbal attacks from conservatives!

Let's be clear. This is about conservatives continuing their theme of no inclusion, no equity (equality), and no diversity (IED). It is conservatives wanting ever increasing control over the rights of others.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.93  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.77    last year

There's no need for me to make shit up when it's all there in black and white for everyone to see.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.94  bugsy  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.70    last year

Doesn't matter what the site covers. It is an LGBT site that stated EXACTLY what I cited.

I embarrassed no one but you by giving you proof that you thought no one would, which put you in a position of having to admit being wrong.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.95  Tessylo  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.48    last year

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.96  Tessylo  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.55    last year

[Address other NTers by their screen names, please.]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.97  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @2.1.69    last year

WT never embarrasses themself

That would be you and your little buddies on a daily basis

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.98  Tessylo  replied to  CB @2.1.80    last year

If I was gay or black I don't think I would want to be under that alleged therapists' care

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.99  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @2.1.87    last year

We do not know that.  Every comment is sheer ignorance and made up shit

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.100  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.95    last year

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bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.101  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.98    last year

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.102  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @2.1.101    last year

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bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.103  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.102    last year

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Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
2.1.105  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  bugsy @2.1.94    last year

You embarrassed yourself using a site that is a LGBTQ mental health resource which you picked solely because it's an LGBTQ site and as such thought it had to be accepted because it's a LGBTQ site when it's  site that has nothing to do with the subject matter since it's solely a LGBTQ MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCE which they wouldn't need if it weren't for people denigrating them at every turn.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.106  Texan1211  replied to  Wishful_thinkin @2.1.105    last year

Besides just griping about a source that revealed stuff you don't want to accept, do you have anything to offer in the way of a link to refute his?

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
2.1.107  Thomas  replied to  CB @2.1.89    last year
And, conservatives are willing to lie and exploit drag queens to get to have their way with them!

Sorry my friend, but this just struck me as hilarious. I cannot get the image of Newt Gingrich getting it on with a drag queen out of my head! 

Oh! The humanity! 

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Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
2.1.108  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @2.1.107    last year

Amazingly good memory, I can hardly remember what he looked like then, let alone now.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.109  CB  replied to  Thomas @2.1.107    last year

Newt Gingrich, trade?  Maybe he was "Q"- questioning?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.110  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.108    last year

Memory is always perfect, when one just makes shit up in their head.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @2    last year

What a stupid and ignorant and hateful and bigoted lesson they are teaching their children - to hate gay people.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.2.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    last year
teaching their children - to hate gay people.  

How about showing us who on here is doing that.

Now, if you want proof of something, we certainly can show proof of some on here hatred of white people. [Deleted]

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.2.2  CB  replied to  bugsy @2.2.1    last year

Let me be clear as I can be. I do not hate white people (who I presume to be the majority on this site). Actually, I love people in general. Indeed, I have been known to sleep in white people's homes, offices, and lay my black head on their stomachs-male and female, both. Perhaps, you can say the same or something similar occurs in your reality. We won't know until you do.

What I will not do is let some white people whitewash the past "indulgences" of their collective people against people of color simply so they can start the process of abuse all over again. Mind you, I wrote: "some white people."

There is a special on MSNBC, "The Culture Is: Indigenous Women" which airs Sunday (tonight) which echos something I have written before on NT in regards to how black people feel towards white people:

The Culture Is: Indigenous Women Trailer

In the trailer, Representative Mary Peltola (D-Alaska) states, "I think there is an irrational fear that Native Americans want retribution. . . we only want equality."

Why is that so hard to understand and accept?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    last year

Why did God create gay animals?

If homosexuality is inherently wrong and an affront to God, why did He create gay animals ? Animals cannot sin therefore their homosexuality is not a sin, but nature. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

Is somebody arguing that people can't be gay?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    last year

You seeded an article claiming that homosexuality is a sin. 

Gay animals are not sinning, so why are gay people? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    last year
You seeded an article claiming that homosexuality is a sin. 

I seeded an article which demonstrates how people have to protect their young chidren from sexualization by the bullies and radicals that dominate our society today.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    last year

You seeded an article that claims that homosexuality is a sin

 Additionally, it is important to remember that all sin is sin in God's eyes, whether it is theft, homosexuality, dishonesty, gossip, etc. Speaking the truth about God's created order must be done in love.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    last year

If you are a Christian or Muslim it is a sin. The article however gave multiple ways to guide your young children through a period that they should not have to go through. Did you miss the other examples:

Third, invest in quality literature to teach your children about human sexuality in an age-appropriate fashion. I recommend Concordia Publishing House's Learning About Sex series. While I have only utilized the first book in the series, Why Boys and Girls are Different, I do know that the series is well-written, builds upon itself gradually, and is straightforward, allowing parents to use it with discretion according to their children's needs. I would also recommend reading series such as this on your own before reading them with your child in order to anticipate their questions ahead of time.

Fourth, rejoice with your children in their identities beyond their sexuality. Everyone has many stations in life to which they are called, whether that be a brother, sister, son, daughter, student, friend, cousin, neighbor, etc. Recognize unique attributes in your children and discuss the importance of these unique vocations with them.

Fifth, remind yourself that you cannot control every single item or agenda your children are exposed to, but you can control how you address these things. As parents, we of course must be discerning and proactive about the movies, books, TV shows, and social media accessible to our children. However, there is no way to completely shield them from the brokenness of the world. The best thing we can do is continue in our calling as parents — leading our children by example, guiding them in the truth, and equipping them to remain steadfast.



You see, John, young children should not have to be subjected to alternate lifestyles or pornography.

That dirty evil ideology is being forced on children and like I keep telling you: We are not going to let you get away with it!



 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    last year

I'm trying to ask you a serious question, and you have no answer evidently. 

God created animals, who dont have free will or the ability to sin. They just have their nature. Yet God created homosexual animals. In other words, homosexuality is part of nature. So how can it be a sin? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    last year

Gay animals can't read and don't know any better and must be democrats for the most part as the do "what feeeeels good. God expected more from "INTELLIGENT" humans. It's about "going forth and multiplying". If you don't understand that........well no one can help you.

And animals DO have free will and the ability. No one or thing governs their behavior. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.6    last year
Gay animals can't read and don't know any better

Exactly. They dont have a choice. If God disapproves of homosexuality why did He create examples of it in animals? It doesnt make the slightest bit of sense. One could argue that human homosexuality is a sin because it is disobedience of God's "plan". But God created homosexuality among creatures that CANNOT sin. 

Do you really not see the incongruence in claiming that being gay is a sin? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    last year

He didn't create examples. FFS. He created the animals and contrary to your Marlin Perkins expertise, they do have free will. And, once again as said, they do what they want to whenever they want to. They cross the road in front of tractor trailers and get squashed. Bad choices are still inherent. Some become food for crows and vultures. 

But God created homosexuality among creatures that CANNOT sin. 

He created animals. He had nothing to do with their behavior as they don't know any better. And if it IS a sin, what makes you think that animals "doing it" isn't one? The plan made humans, animals, trees and plants for the overall plan of the habitation of earth and dependence on it to survive. The circle of life.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.8    last year

lol.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    last year
In other words, homosexuality is part of nature. So how can it be a sin? 

I'm not a theologian or a biologist, so I cannot answer why there are oddities in nature or why animals evolved in a certain way. Many species of fish species will eat their own young. Using your logic, God allowed for cannibalism. What your question implies is that there is a contradiction in religious teaching. I really don't know nor do I care. I do know this: in the early days of the gay movement we always heard "we only want to be able to live our way in peace, it isn't like we are going to be influencing or bothering anyone else."

Keep the gays and the trans teachers and the porn away from our kids.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    last year

Maybe the kids need to be shielded [DELETED.]

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.12  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    last year

Because humans are supposed to be better than animals John.

I don't care if someone is religious or not. Humans are supposed to be better than animals. We are not supposed to give into base instincts. Calling someone "an animal" is still considered an insult by most. It says how far we have fallen that some consider it a compliment.

Before you call me a homophobe. I don't give a shit about anyone's sexuality so long as they don't throw it in my face. I consider a "straight pride parade" just as moronic and offensive as a "gay pride parade". No one gives a shit about anyone's sexuality. Please stop showing off to the whole planet just how stupid this nation is.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.12    last year

I dont really follow gay issues but I'm pretty sure that "gay pride" began as a civil rights movement. Gay people were being discriminated against . Maybe if other people stopped being so afraid of them they wouldnt feel the need to demonstrate so much. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.12    last year

Hate to break the news to you but even straight sex is a basic instinct.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
3.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    last year
Keep the gays and the trans teachers and the porn away from our kids.

What are you going to do about it? Better keep your kids locked in the house and under their bed covers before the gays, trans, or whomever catch them. The real world seems too scary for some to deal with.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.1.16  afrayedknot  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.15    last year

“The real world seems too scary for some to deal with.”

And in that fear, they lash out at any bogeyman they can conjure up in justifying their insecurities.

And when that fear is hard to define, they will parse words or site the anecdotal in a vain attempt to convince themselves they are holding true to their antiquated, insensitive, insulting, and insular beliefs. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.1.17    last year

Yep you read it right. Couldn't believe it either. With that logic, or lack thereof, pedophilia is alright too.........sad silly shit.

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
3.1.19  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    last year
You see, John, young children should not have to be subjected to alternate lifestyles or pornography.

That dirty evil ideology is being forced on children and like I keep telling you: We are not going to let you get away with it!

Sounds more like your style of religious indoctrination to me. Keep protesting that it is being forced on anyone. Just because they have come out from hiding from people with your attitude does not equate with force.  I would like to say that I am sorry that you actually have see them in public, but I am not. At all. You are not the only people on earth and it is about time that sunk in.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.20  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    last year

Conservatives are hopelessly of a circular (hive) mind at this point and time. And, btw, we are not going to let you get away with it-either! Conservatives if you want to lost in time-go far it. The country shall marshal its positive citizens and move forward without you - if you 'demand' to lag behind.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.15    last year
What are you going to do about it?

Are you looking to try it?


etter keep your kids

You better keep the teachers teaching math, reading and science...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    last year
Maybe if other people stopped being so afraid of them they wouldnt feel the need to demonstrate so much. 

Oh, that's what it is / S

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.23  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    last year

What is really funny, is that you refuse to make the connection in public, that God allows all living creatures free choice.    

I know you understand it.

Sad that you can’t man up and admit it.

Just sad ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.6    last year

how moronic

being gay is natural

a homophobe is not natural

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    last year

laughably moronic right?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
3.1.26  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.21    last year
Are you looking to try it?

Try what? 

You better keep the teachers teaching math, reading and science...

I agree. What does that have to do with a teacher being gay, trans, or whatever? 

Oh, that's what it is /S

That might be part of it. I would also include ignorant or bigoted. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.24    last year

I am sure they would disagree with your assertion. Do think about what you are typing prior to pushing the Post your Comment button so as not to appear closed minded.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

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Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year
"Why did God create gay animals?"

There is no such thing as a gay animal.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
3.3.1  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    last year
Keep the gays and the trans teachers and the porn away from our kids.

Demonstrably false. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    last year
There is no such thing as a gay animal.

Incorrect.

One of many studies: 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.2    last year

There are animals that exhibit homosexual behavior, but I wouldn't call them gay. I will leave that to you

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.3    last year
There are animals that exhibit homosexual behavior, but I wouldn't call them gay.

Lame.   Fine, Greg, don't call them gay.

The point was that homosexuality is something that occurs naturally and is not limited to our species.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.3    last year

Problem with that theory is the fact that animals act on instinct and needs at the time. Ever had a dog hump your leg?

Yep even the females on occasion. It isn't gay or straight behavior. All based on instinct perceived need PERIOD. If a male dog feels the need, he may find a soft and fluffy male dog and go to town. It is treating the other as an object only. No "love" or companionship involved.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.5    last year
Problem with that theory is the fact that animals act on instinct and needs at the time.

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation is not "instinct"?   

It is treating the other as an object only. No "love" or companionship involved.

Nobody has argued that animals necessarily experience "love" as human beings do.   Not the point.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.4  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year
If homosexuality is inherently wrong and an affront to God, why did He create gay animals ? Animals cannot sin therefore their homosexuality is not a sin, but nature. 

Oh FFS.

If adultery is inherently wrong and an affront to God, why did he create animals who fuck different partners all the time?

If murder is inherently wrong and an affront to God, why did he create animals who intentionally kill other animals they don't intend to eat?

We could go on for days.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.1  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4    last year

Well Jack, that is simply the point isn't it? We don't know why God lets all these things be. But, your opinion along with your cohorts is that it wrong even though you can't say why it is so. After all, when you can locate a drag queen or say a homosexual 'bothering' a child/ren for sexual pleasure. . . your 'work' will begin in earnest. Furthermore, I will help you condemn, berate, and rake that 'queen' over the coals.

But until you do find such a queen or homosexual 'buggering' a child/ren conservatives do this discussion a disservice to try to diminish "fake tits" because (and I can't prove this, but I think it's so) plenty of born women just 'adore' their fake tits too! Those 'devices' do a lot of great things for them!

I thought you knew: Plenty of men adore those things on women's chests, I read.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8  Ender    last year

I already told everyone about this article.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8    last year

I'm going to do the same. I want points!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @8    last year
I already told everyone about this article.

The seeder will probably be grateful for you promoting the article!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
9  Right Down the Center    last year

IMO (although I think every child is different as to what they can really comprehend) I think this parent went too far.  Personally if my 4 year old had made the comment I probably would have said "yes, it is very colorful".  I have a four year old grandson and the response given above is way more than he could retain or understand.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    last year

That's a good way to handle it. Thank-you

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10  Perrie Halpern R.A.    last year

I have removed several threads and comments for taunting. Please stop. Only warning.

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
10.2  Hallux  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10    last year

Aw .. just one more, it's from the Montreal Holocaust Museum where I worked on a number of displays:

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Hallux @10.2    last year

Hallux,

I don't think that most people know that the "pink triangle" was a gay designation in the German concentration camps.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @10.2    last year

That's what 'articles' like this due to gay folks - puts a target on their backs

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.2    last year
That's what 'articles' like this due to gay folks - puts a target on their backs

That is left-wing imagination.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
12  Right Down the Center    last year

I hope her daughter doesn't ask if Santa is real for another 5 or so years.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
13  CB    last year

Well, I was going to comment on this article, but it is well underway on its own: Carry on!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
15  Hal A. Lujah    last year

[removed][]][[][.]  It’s like someone asked chatgpt to write a homophobic rant in the style of Leave it to Beaver.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
15.1  Ender  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @15    last year

[deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @15    last year

Elise Temme is a stay-at-home mother of three children. I think she did a damn good job writing that article.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    last year

it was quite the piss poor 'article' targeting gay people - essentially putting targets on their backs

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @15.2.1    last year

No one was targeted, that is leftwing hysteria you have fallen for again.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    last year

Yep, spot on for all but emotional tyrants on the left.    God forbid one has a differing viewpoint than their programmed narrative.

God forbid.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
15.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.2    last year

Elise Temme is a stay-at-home mother of three children. I think she did a damn good job writing that article.

I pity those kids.  They will be suicidal when they come out to her thanks to her wonderful home schooling.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
16  Kavika     last year

Kids are safer with gays and Drag Queens than they are with the RCC and Boys Scouts. When you talk about groomers and pedophiles those two organizations certainly stand out.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
16.1  CB  replied to  Kavika @16    last year

And that is largely due to the understanding that your average homosexual and drag queen are not pedophiles. Despite the flamboyant displays at any given moment. :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @16.1    last year

What are they?

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
16.1.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.1    last year
What are they?

People.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
16.1.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.1    last year

What do you mean; what are they? Please share what you think they are, first.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @16    last year
Kids are safer with gays and Drag Queens than they are with the RCC and Boys Scouts.

In other words, you agree that children have been molested. 

Thank you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.2    last year

The majority of those children were molested by white allegedly straight allegedly males 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
16.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @16.2.1    last year

Link or you're just spewing bias liberal groupthink bullshit...........thanks.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
17  Thrawn 31    last year

My method "its a thing".

Thats it. Honestly what the fuck are drag shows and why shouled I care?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
17.1  bugsy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @17    last year

To be honest, I don't see a problem with drag shows. I went to one for my 50th birthday ans had a blast.

However, there were some portions where the drags got a little racy, but not vulgar or perverted, either way, I would not have been appropriate for children.

Those that think that taking children to drag shows and have no problem with the vulgarity of some of the shows just demonstrates very bad parenting, if not child abuse

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
17.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @17.1    last year

[Deleted]

[Thanks for the admission.]

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.2  CB  replied to  bugsy @17.1    last year

You said that the shows are not vulgar or perverted in your third sentence and in the four you state that some of the shows, plural, are vulgar. How many drag shows have you watched?

To be clear, I think I can follow what you are trying to say. That is, that the shows are good, clean, and fun for adults, but certain aspects can be "blue-lighted" for children.

I don't know why drag queen sponsors can't self-regulate in the presence of children. Even comedians tone down their acts when children are present.

Your mention of child abuse by parents who allow their children to see drag shows may go too far, nevertheless.

The shows may need some tighter ground rules, but taking away this type of freedom of expression in entirety, surely is overkill.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @17.1.2    last year

Why should drag queen sponsors be responsible for the actions of grown ass men?

Do they not know what is appropriate for kids?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.4  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @17.1.3    last year

Sponsors control the purse strings and can effectively tighten (or loosen) the rules of the forum. But, you know this already. Begs the question that you bother asking the obvious. Furthermore, it is a waste of time to talk about what "grown ass men" actions can be or cause - seeing that it is "grown ass men" that throughout the history of the world caused a myriad of (culture) wars.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  CB @17.1.4    last year

You managed very effectively to avoid answering either of my questions.

Sure, sponsors have some responsibility, but to pretend grown ass men don't is simply denying reality.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.6  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @17.1.5    last year

I have no idea what you are bitching about. Do you want to have a discussion or not? Or, do you intend to just frustrate the hell out of this?

You admit this: "Sure, sponsors have some responsibility. . . ."  That's an admission that you did not allow for before I answered you! And then you turn right around and accuse me of ignoring grown ass men and their mistakes even though I indicated that the biggest mistake(s) for centuries are called by similar/same: "Grown ass men" that have throughout the history of the world caused a myriad of (culture) wars.

Drag queens are not perfect anymore than any other group. You know this, because surely you have heard there are no perfect people. So why bother requesting (repeat) statements of the obvious? Where/when drag queens go astray in their shows there are "powers that be" that can rein/govern the shows and presentation! (Goes without stating more than once anyway.)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @17.1.6    last year
I have no idea what you are bitchin about.

You have made that quite clear.

Do you want to have a discussion or not. Or just frustrate the hell out of this?

I would, but part of a discussion is the ability to answer questions, which you just refuse to do, so there IS no discussion to be had with you.

Obfuscate with someone else, this is boring now.

 
 

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