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Transgender Woman Winning Miss Netherlands Sparks Furor—'Simply Evil'

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  2 years ago  •  147 comments

By:   Jamie Burton (Newsweek)

Transgender Woman Winning Miss Netherlands Sparks Furor—'Simply Evil'
Rikkie Valerie Kolle has now qualified for Miss Universe after being named Miss Nederlands 2023.

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On Saturday, Rikkie Valerie Kolle became the first transgender woman to win the Miss Netherlands competition—but her victory is being overshadowed by online backlash.

After officially being crowned Miss Nederlands, Kolle has now qualified for the international contest Miss Universe, where she will be the second transgender woman ever to compete.

The 22-year-old shared her delight with her followers on social media hours after she received her crown, but people disagreeing with her participation flooded the comment section on her Instagram post.

After speaking about making her community proud, including a trans flag emoji, Kolle wrote, "yes I'm trans and I want to share my story but I'm also Rikkie and that's what matters to me. Did this on my own and loved every moment of it."

Transgender model Rikkie Valerie Kolle won the Miss Netherlands competition in July 2023, but her victory is being overshadowed by negative online comments.Instagram @RikkieValerieKolle

The comments that received the highest number of likes were from people criticizing Kolle's victory.

"yes you did it, you just steal a victory from a real woman," wrote @fenda_rosa.

"Comments are passing the vibe check. We've had enough of this bulls***. You stole this title from REAL women. You have absolutely nothing to be proud of," @sensiblyshy wrote.

An account named @stan_entrepreneur said, "This is simply evil..."

"A man just stole the first place of a woman and gets applause for it. Full circle, we just killed 200 years of work of women who fought for equality," wrote @dancecareers.world.


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The comments continued as the people criticizing Kolle online seemed to outweigh those who congratulated her.

Advocacy group Independent Women's Voice opposed the victory in a statement posted to their social media channels.

"This is nothing to celebrate," they wrote. "This is a slap in the face to every single woman who competed against this biological male in a competition designed SPECIFICALLY for women."

The American-based organization also have an ongoing campaign to keep transgender athletes out of female sports.


This is nothing to celebrate.This is a slap in the face to every single woman who competed against this biological male in a competition designed SPECIFICALLY for women. https://t.co/jtEBOnjfOK
— Independent Women's Voice (@IWV) July 10, 2023

Kolle is from Breda, a city in the south of the Netherlands. She said in her Instagram post that she wants to be the example for transgender young people that she did not have as a child.

"I did it. It's unreal but I get to call myself @missnederland 2023. It was an educational and beautiful journey, my year can't be broken anymore. I'm so proud and happy I can't even describe it," she wrote.

Criticism of Kolle's victory wasn't confined to the comment section of her Instagram post, as Twitter users also weighed in with their reactions, many of them slamming the competition.

"When a biological male wins contests and prizes intended for females, they call it human rights, and those who oppose them are labeled TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminist.)," wrote Twitter user George A. Hamalian.

Many social media users referred to Kolle as "a man" and popular tweeter Wendy Oldershaw, who claims to "oppose wokeness" in her bio, suggested that Miss Universe contests should be boycotted.

"I absolutely despair—why do the REAL females agree to take part & then stand there clapping like trained seals?! But then again seen as a transgender he/she owns the competition what can you expect!! Boycott it until common sense returns," she wrote.

Kolle's victory means she'll be the second transgender Miss Universe contestant after Angela Ponce from Spain in 2018.

Miss Universe 2023 will be held in El Salvador in December.

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Update 07/10/2023, 10:08 a.m. ET: This article was updated to include reaction from Twitter and the statement from Independent Women's Voice.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

Too bad....................

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

And the insanity prevails!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

I don't know why anyone has their panties in a wad or is 'worked up into a furor' over something that has absolutely no effect on them in any way, shape, or form.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    2 years ago

It's a trend that need not be trending.......................

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.2  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    2 years ago

Would you be upset if your daughter trained years for these contests, then the one that would get you to the big league was stolen by a dude?

I bet even you would be,

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.1    2 years ago

Lord, that's the truth!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.1    2 years ago

No, it's not a trend

I mean this is in the Netherlands.

What do you care?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @1.3.2    2 years ago

You have no clue about what I would do or feel or think in ANY situation.  Don't speak for me.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.5    2 years ago

I repeat it's not a trend.

I repeat, this is in the Netherlands.

What do you care?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.9  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.4    2 years ago

Just how long? With all the trans bullshit in sports, do you think this will just go away too?

I don't know about you, but I care about women and their self esteem and being able to accomplish what they work and try so hard for in life. That you don't seem to says a lot.

And what do you care if I care. That would go in the "nunya" category. Nunya damned business.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.9    2 years ago

Again, who gives a shit?

If you choose to get your panties into a wad and work yourself into a furor over something that has absolutely no effect on you whatsoever, go for it.

I repeat, this is in The Netherlands.

They're obviously more open minded than you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.8    2 years ago

Why the fuck should I care?

They're not infringing on anyone's rights.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.9    2 years ago

All what 'trans bullshit in sports'?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.9    2 years ago

It says nothing about me whatsoever.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.3.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.7    2 years ago
you name another trans who won a contest, or even participated in them in the 80s or 90s?

To to answer Texan's question - NO.  You CAN'T name name another trans who won a contest, or even participated in them in the 80s or 90s

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.20  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.1    2 years ago

Acceptance is the trend, that should continue to trend . . . . . . . . . .

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.3.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.19    2 years ago

Just like parachute pants and breakdancing.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.23  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.3.22    2 years ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.24  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.15    2 years ago

It says nothing about me whatsoever.

I'm sorry but yes it does. One would think that one would care about those of the same sex and their rights as a person. But alas..................
 
 
 
JumpDrive
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1.3.26  JumpDrive  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    2 years ago
I don't know why anyone ... is 'worked up into a furor' over something that has absolutely no effect on them

If you look above you'll see that a conservative has posted that a beauty contest winner is "the paragon of womanhood". I challenge you to out-superficial that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.28  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.27    2 years ago

You offer the quote @7 from a conservative who (in this context) posted that a beauty contest winner is "the paragon of womanhood".   Just as JumpDrive noted.   

What is JumpDrive supposed to do to make this clearer to you?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.21    2 years ago

There is a difference between acceptance and capitulation.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.32  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.29    2 years ago
I take that as him referring to all men pretending to be women, maybe on your end it shows different quote.

You inserted 'all'.   

The phrase "we get men pretending to be women" implies (to most English literate individuals) the modifier "some", not "all".

For example, "in the summertime, people wear shorts" does not mean ALL people wear shorts in the summertime but rather that SOME do (i.e. shorts are worn more often by people in the summertime).


Further, JumpDrive @1.3.26 was speaking of the "paragon of womanhood" claim:

JumpDrive @1.3.26 ☞ If you look above you'll see that a conservative has posted that a beauty contest winner is "the paragon of womanhood". I challenge you to out-superficial that.

So you are not even on the correct aspect of the quote.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.34  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.33    2 years ago

Yeah, Texan, you admit that you (absurdly) inserted "all".   That changes the meaning entirely.

The phrase "people wear shorts in the summer" does not mean ALL people wear shorts in the summer.   It means SOME do.

Similarly, the phrase "we get men pretending to be women" means that SOME men pretend to be women.   It does not mean that ALL men pretend to be women.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.36  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.24    2 years ago

NOPE

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.38  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.37    2 years ago

Yeah, Texan, people are astute enough to see through your bullshit.

And also your deflections.   The main issue that Jumpdrive brought up was with the phrase "paragon of womanhood" from which, of course, you continue to deflect:

JumpDrive  @1.3.26  ☞ If you look above you'll see that a conservative has posted that a beauty contest winner is " the paragon of womanhood". I challenge you to out-superficial that.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.40  Sean Treacy  replied to  JumpDrive @1.3.26    2 years ago
ed that a beauty contest winner is " the paragon of womanhood

That's literally what these contests are for. 

From Encylopedia.com:

Since its inception in 1921, the Miss America pageant has prompted a fierce debate over gender and the qualities of ideal femininity

From the song:

“There she is, Miss America. There she is, your ideal ,”

The winner is literally supposed to represent the ideal woman. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.42  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.41    2 years ago
doubt that logic will be met receptively here.

I don't know what they imagine pageants are.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.44  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.43    2 years ago
aybe not so much if a man can win!

Exactly, being an actual woman isn't relevant to being the ideal progressive  woman. A man can do it.  Actual females are now irrelevant to the concept of womanhood.  Men can apparently do it better. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.45  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.36    2 years ago

YEP

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.46  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.37    2 years ago

Just consider putting words in your mouth that you never said an invitation down a rabbit hole.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.48  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.47    2 years ago

Not to mention boring. It is the go to tactic for a few people here. They go straight to it and seem to think the tactic is not noticed.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.3.49  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.40    2 years ago
The winner is literally supposed to represent the ideal woman. 

By who's definition? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.51  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.38    2 years ago

I don't know why you take the time to deal with certain bullshit.  It must be quite exasperating.  I don't know why I even respond to certain members.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.52  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.3.45    2 years ago

[META]

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.54  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.5    2 years ago

Don't expect a reasonable answer.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.56  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.51    2 years ago
I don't know why I even respond to certain members.  

Since I assume no one is forcing you I would suggest you give it some thought.  No one wants you to so something you don't want to do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.57  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.47    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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1.3.58  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.24    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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1.3.59  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.17    2 years ago

I thought you were a woman too

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

In addition...............

"They couldn't find a more handsome guy than this? Do better, Netherlands!": Rikkie Valerie Kolle's win earns harsh criticism online

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4  Ronin2    2 years ago

The radical left's push to replace women with men continues.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago

Just wait for the swimsuit competition.  It's going to be nuts.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 years ago

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Greg Jones
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5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    2 years ago

And "she" is just plain fucking ugly.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 years ago

Lol!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6  Jack_TX    2 years ago

I actually have zero problem with this.

A group of fake women were beaten by a man pretending to be a fake woman.  There is some level of poetic justice in there somewhere.

The only people more sad than people who enter beauty pageants are people who don't enter but care who wins.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jack_TX @6    2 years ago

Those are good points.  Imagine spending your life in some vane attempt to be the prettiest woman in the world only to be beaten by someone born with a dick.  The only thing more fucked up than that is that there are a lot of people who want to force this person to use the men’s restroom, because “he” could be a threat to their daughters.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1    2 years ago

"I absolutely despair—why do the REAL females agree to take part & then stand there clapping like trained seals?!"

Until biological women refuse to participate in these types of events, the insanity will continue.

He is a he and never a she, forever and for aways. So he should use the proper restroom. And yes, there are numerous reports of women and girls being threatened and harrassed.

The left's support of these sick fucks in amazing.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.1    2 years ago

He is a he and never a she, forever and for aways. So he should use the proper restroom. And yes, there are numerous reports of women and girls being threatened and harrassed.

The left's support of these sick fucks in amazing.

Lol!  You want this “lady” in the restroom with your daughters?!

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Greg Jones
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6.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.2    2 years ago

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Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    2 years ago

Really?  He is trans .

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Jack_TX
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6.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1    2 years ago
The only thing more fucked up than that is that there are a lot of people who want to force this person to use the men’s restroom, because “he” could be a threat to their daughters.

I do love the endless willingness of bleeding hearts to ignore any possible outcome other than the one they want.  It never seems to occur to those folks that the trans people may not be the primary threat.   They never seem to want to acknowledge that other people might take advantage of a situation.

Seeing that 1 in 6 American women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives, it seems a bit reckless to make things easier for those assailants just because we're worried about trans people's feelings.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.2    2 years ago

It is not that bad. She does not have a working penis so it doesn't really matter. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.7  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.4    2 years ago
He is trans .

You mean she. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.8  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.7    2 years ago

So you want “she” to follow your daughter into the little girl’s room? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.9  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.4    2 years ago

You have made those claim before but never showed any real proof that the two are the same person.

Anyone can post a picture of a woman and another a picture of a dude, but having two pictures does not make it so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    2 years ago

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Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.11  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @6.1.9    2 years ago

I posted a link with that picture, so it’s not just a picture, and he’s not an anomaly.  I have a trans family member that I guarantee you would not know is trans.  You just don’t want to admit that not every trans person is obvious.  I bet by now you have met a dozen people who fit that category.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.8    2 years ago

She can't really do anything. She doesn't have the correct working parts. Better than a he that thinks he is a she walking into my daughter's bathroom or locker room. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.11    2 years ago

If this person is truly a female, then there is no way to really know for sure.

It is a big difference between this person and a dude with an obvious wig and makeup....and a deep male voice.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.14  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @6.1.13    2 years ago

It’s always such a challenge to separate a conservative from their conspiracy theory.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.15  Ender  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.14    2 years ago

Trans people are just the next boogie man in the right wing hate machine.

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Ender @6.1.15    2 years ago

Most conservatives do not care about trannies. Be what you want to be.

It's those that thrust themselves into the limelight for attention and demand that they are accepted and respected by everyone, then when you are not, you throw a public hissy fit, or physically threaten someone with harm.There is a recent video of a tranny in London flying an Antifa flag telling everyone to punch a feminist. That one needs it's ass kicked. ...

Those are the ones that give the ones that want to live their lives quietly a bad name.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.17  Ender  replied to  bugsy @6.1.16    2 years ago

Yet here you all are day after day with this...

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Ender @6.1.17    2 years ago

Show me where I am here day after day with this.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.1.44  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @6.1.18    2 years ago

The rest of this thread was removed for a massive slap fight. It better stop. Only warning.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.45  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    2 years ago

Those being threatened and harassed and sexually assaulted - are being threatened and harassed and sexually assaulted by straight people, not trans people.

It is as Thomas says elsewhere, it's the trans folks who need protection from threats and harassment and sexual assault, not straight people.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.46  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.12    2 years ago

I bet you 'can't do anything' either

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.47  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @6.1.15    2 years ago

You are correct Ender, as usual.

That just goes to show you how intolerant the 'right wing hate machine' is

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @6.1.16    2 years ago

Are you the one to give 'it' it's ass kicking?

How tolerant of you.

Plus I'm sure you have proof (something you never provide) and this is indicative of all trans people,

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Ed-NavDoc
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6.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jack_TX @6    2 years ago

These got to be some pretty insecure people!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jack_TX @6    2 years ago

Speaking of ironic outcomes, this morning I saw this article about the risks of penis implants.

Two men said they’d needed a second surgery to replace their implants when complications arose, and one continued to volunteer as a patient advocate even though he’d had his Extra Extra Large removed. He explained: “It was very uncomfortable for my wife. She was getting micro­tears and was considering getting a procedure done to enlarge that opening.”

Apparently his wife was considering artificial enlargement of her vagina to fit her husband’s artificially large penis. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.3.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3    2 years ago
Apparently his wife was considering artificial enlargement of her vagina to fit her husband’s artificially large penis.

You can't make this up.  

Where did we find these people?  I don't remember people being this utterly batshit when I was younger.  Was that a thing and I just missed it?  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3    2 years ago

Thanks Hal, very scary article you embedded.

I feel bad for those driven to this risk and expense.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7  arkpdx    2 years ago

If the pageant stands by president he will never make it to the contest

 
 
 
arkpdx
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8  arkpdx    2 years ago

The runner up should sue. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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8.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @8    2 years ago

The runner up is probably named Tom!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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10  Drinker of the Wry    2 years ago

Some Nether Regions are more confusing than the Neverlands. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

The ideal woman is now a man, as progressives simply try to erase actual females. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    2 years ago

That comment is still as ridiculous as the first time it was made. 

 
 
 
George
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11.2  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    2 years ago

Could it be that if they don't have a set of balls, they need their women to?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @11.2    2 years ago
d it be that if they don't have a set of balls, they need their women to?

Apparently. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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11.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    2 years ago

We should have pageants for gender nonconforming transgender to avoid leaving them out,

 
 
 
Ronin2
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11.3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.3    2 years ago

They already do.

Really wish I didn't know this type of information; but Apple News seems to think it is relevant and sticks it on my I phone.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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12  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Not only is it a him but an ugly him. Why do so many democrats hate women? They are making a mockery of being a women.

 
 

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