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Jack Smith Is Known to Take On Tough Cases. But He Doesn’t Always Win.

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  2 years ago  •  49 comments

By:   By Sadie Gurman and James Fanelli

Jack Smith Is Known to Take On Tough Cases. But He Doesn’t Always Win.
Smith led the Justice Department’s public corruption unit more than a decade ago, when it brought several cases against lawmakers and politicians that legal experts say were based on far-reaching interpretations of federal law that sometimes backfired before juries and courts.

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Jack Smith, the special counsel who brought   historic, back-to-back indictments   of a former president, has developed a reputation as an aggressive prosecutor known for trying high-stakes, politically explosive cases. 


But he hasn’t always prevailed.




Smith led the Justice Department’s public corruption unit   more than a decade ago , when it brought several cases against lawmakers and politicians that legal experts say were based on far-reaching interpretations of federal law that sometimes backfired before juries and courts.

Now he faces the most consequential case of his extensive career, the prosecution of   Donald Trump   on charges that he conspired to undo his 2020 election loss. In doing so, Smith is relying on theories that present legal questions that some experts say could go either way in court.

Smith and some of his prosecutors were present Thursday when  Trump pleaded not guilty  to four crimes, including conspiring to defraud the U.S., obstructing an official proceeding and conspiring against the rights of voters. A lawyer who worked with Smith called it a “classic Jack case”—streamlined, compelling and easy to follow.

While some defense attorneys viewed the indictment as strong and straightforward, others said the case pushes the envelope.

“This case is clearly on the frontier of American jurisprudence: using general and broad conspiracy and fraud theories to convict a politician for transgressions against the state,” said   Stan Brand, a defense lawyer who has represented several Trump associates. 

Some former prosecutors said the indictment doesn’t clearly define which specific moments Trump’s actions became criminal. It notes, for example, that it isn’t a crime to falsely claim he won an election, but that Trump also “pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.” Where the line stands between the former and the latter isn’t clearly spelled out in the indictment, some former prosecutors said.

Other experts say if the theories are novel, it is because so are the facts: Never before has a defeated president been accused of trying to block the peaceful transfer of power to his successor.






Trump has denied wrongdoing and accused Smith—whom he has personally attacked as “deranged”—of pursuing him to undermine his candidacy in the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. 






The latest indictment follows separate charges Smith brought in June alleging Trump   retained classified documents   after he left the White House and tried to obstruct their recovery, the first-ever federal criminal case against a former president. Trump has pleaded not guilty to those charges. 

Smith, a registered independent, brings to the Trump cases a wide-ranging prosecutorial career on the local, national and international levels. He has handled a range of complex investigations that involved some of the most serious offenses committed by government officials, including corruption and war crimes. 

Attorney General   Merrick Garland   had no relationship with Smith when another senior official   recommended him in November   for the fraught role of special counsel, pointing to his reputation as a mission-driven prosecutor. Attorneys who know Smith have said he would feel like he failed if he didn’t find charges to bring against a target. 

After Tuesday’s indictment, Garland praised Smith and his team as “experienced and principled, agents and prosecutors” and said they have “followed the facts and the law wherever they lead.”

A spokesman for Smith declined to comment.

Trump’s supporters have attacked him as partisan, even though he pursued both Republicans and Democrats.

Smith took over the Public Integrity Section in 2010, as it was reeling from the   implosion of its case   against the late Republican Sen.   Ted Stevens   after   prosecutors failed to turn over evidence   that would have helped the defense. Shortly after his arrival, Smith reviewed some long-running investigations into members of Congress and recommended closing several of them without charges. But the section’s court work began to pick up, as he worked to improve the team’s trial skills. The section tried 17 cases in 2011, and 12 the next year.

Alongside successes were some setbacks. Prosecutors charged former Democratic Sen.   John Edwards   in 2011 on a novel legal theory that funds paid from an Edwards benefactor to the senator’s mistress were campaign expenses. 


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Former Sen. John Edwards, right, leaving the Federal Courthouse in Greensboro, N.C., with his attorney in 2011.   PHOTO:  CHUCK LIDDY/RALEIGH NEWS & OBSERVER/TRIBUNE NEWS SERVICE/GETTY IMAGES

At trial, the jury deadlocked on most of the charges and   acquitted Edwards on one charge

​​“I felt like the evidence just wasn’t there. It could have been more,” a   juror told reporters at the time . The Justice Department dropped the case in 2012. 

The same year, a jury for a second time acquitted a casino owner and several state lawmakers in a prosecution brought by Smith’s unit alleging the lawmakers were being bribed to legalize gambling in the state. The case centered on whether the conduct was criminal or just a seamy part of the legislative process. Jurors   found the latter .


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

This explains the opinion of many ...............

"based on far-reaching interpretations of federal law that sometimes backfired before juries and courts"
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

I do not believe the Honorable Mr. Smith is going to lose this one!

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 years ago

Your track record on this isn't that great.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

What statute is the Honorable Mr. Smith stretching?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 years ago

Read the article. It is his history.

"based on far-reaching interpretations of federal law that sometimes backfired before juries and courts"
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.1    2 years ago

So he lost two cases?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.3  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    2 years ago

The article used only two as an example. Read between the lines FFS

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.3    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

So what current cases has the Honorable Mr. Smith lost versus when he led the Justice Department's Public Corruption Unit MORE THAN A DECADE AGO?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    2 years ago

Read tha article and opinions of all  the pros. Save Face

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.1    2 years ago

'All the pros' - how many?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.3  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.2    2 years ago

Again, read the article.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.3    2 years ago

'Stan Brand - a defense attorney who has represented several associates of the former 'president' is one of the alleged many' 

and

'some former prosecutors' 'other experts' doesn't equate to 'all the pros' and doesn't equate to 'this explains the opinions of many'

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.5  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.4    2 years ago
'this explains the opinions of many'

All the pros in the article. Sheesh

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.5    2 years ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

The former 'president's' actions became criminal (prior to 1/6 when his team of co-conspirators planned all this after he lost bigly) and then during his 'speech' during 1/6 when he knowingly lied about election fraud - didn't you read the indictment? - every lie about more votes than voters, thousands upon thousands of dead voters, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. for every state he lied about fraud - were listed in the indictment.

Again, didn't you read the indictment?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.5.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.5    2 years ago

Yes I read the indictment. Seems some didn't and are just parroting what they are told. Obviously you didn't read the article. See comment 4 below.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.5.1    2 years ago

Greg is wrong.  The crime wasn't falsely saying he lost the election.  See comment 1.5.

It sure doesn't seem like you read the indictment.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.5.3  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.5.2    2 years ago

That's one of them.................

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.5.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.5.3    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

So, you got nothin'?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    2 years ago

It would be impossible to lose this one.  Of course the [DELETED] may stage a huge rebellion over it, but for Trump to prevail where any other person would be convicted would be a glaring miscarriage of justice.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    2 years ago

Trump's crimes were committed in plain sight. Only MAGA driven denial prevents every single in person in America from admitting it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
Trump's crimes were committed in plain sight.

And yet, after 7 years of investigating, NONE have bore even a trial let alone any kind of conviction.  Seems evidence is running short for these investigators.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    2 years ago
And yet, after 7 years of investigating, NONE have bore even a trial let alone any kind of conviction.

Keep your pants on.

Seems evidence is running short for these investigators.

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Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 years ago

[meta and no value borderline taunt]

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
Trump's crimes were committed in plain sight.

That's what Adam Schiff falsely and repeatedly claimed at every microphone. That didn't work out very well for him!

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.5  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
Trump's crimes were committed in plain sight

Are these "plain sights" the same as the hundreds of "I hate Trump" and "we got him now" seeds?

All with no proof.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    2 years ago

Pardon me, I meant to say Trump enthusiasts. jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago
Attorneys who know Smith have said he would feel like he failed if he didn’t find charges to bring against a target. 

Which would bring Smith's integrity into question for some.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    2 years ago

Not would, but rather SHOULD. The old Beria schtick. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    2 years ago
"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime

And for the left, as we've seen in the past, "I'll show you the crime" means they will make one up if there isn't evidence of one.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    2 years ago
Some don't even pretend that.

In their defense, they don't do their own research (or know how to do their own research) and rely solely on what somebody else tells them.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    2 years ago

"Some former prosecutors said the indictment doesn’t clearly define which specific moments Trump’s actions became criminal. It notes, for example, that it isn’t a crime to falsely claim he won an election...."

The evidence in this case is very flimsy.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @4    2 years ago

It also sets some very bad precedent in that the party in power can use the precedents to charge any political enemy based on what the person had said.  It criminalizes political speech that politicians have used for many many years.  It's gonna be interesting watching this all unfold.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5  Jasper2529    2 years ago
After Tuesday’s indictment, Garland praised Smith and his team as “experienced and principled, agents and prosecutors” and said they have “followed the facts and the law wherever they lead.”

Make no mistake, ultra-left Garland is still grinding that failed 2016 SCOTUS nomination axe and that's why he's weaponized the DoJ and FBI ... and now praised Smith. George Soros must be very proud of them. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5    2 years ago

The Honorable Merrick Garland is neither left nor ultra-left.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.1  George  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    2 years ago
Honorable

You misspelled worthless piece of shit.  He was so incompetent the republicans didn't even give him a hearing when Obama tried to nominate him for the SC, saving Obama the embarrassment of having to withdraw the nomination.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  George @5.1.1    2 years ago

It's hilarious how you're trying to re-write/whitewash history regarding his nomination.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  George @5.1.1    2 years ago
He was so incompetent the republicans didn't even give him a hearing when Obama tried to nominate him for the SC

The United States of America dodged a toxic bullet with that one!

 
 
 
George
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5.1.4  George  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.3    2 years ago

Agree.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.5  George  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.2    2 years ago

It's amazing how liberals don't see that mitch McConnel kept Obama from making more of a fool of himself.

 
 

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