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Dem Admits He Was Wrong About Trump, Says 45's Administration Did 'Incredible' Work

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  2 years ago  •  160 comments

By:   Michael Schwarz (The Western Journal)

Dem Admits He Was Wrong About Trump, Says 45's Administration Did 'Incredible' Work
In a terrible sign for Democrats, billionaire Chamath Palihapitiya heaped praise on the Trump administration for its "incredible" work.

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The Democrats' many wealthy supporters deserve credit when they finally recognize their foolishness.

Chamath Palihapitiya, a billionaire venture capitalist who voted Democrat in the last two presidential elections, has admitted his error and praised the work done by the administration of former President Donald Trump.

"What those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight," Palihapitiya said last week.

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Those comments came during Friday's episode of the "All-In Podcast." Palihapitiya serves as one of four co-hosts for the podcast, discussing economics, tech and other topics.

In the brief clip, he began by confessing that he voted for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 and then for President Joe Biden in 2020.

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Nonetheless, the billionaire co-host had glowing words for Trump.

"Every other president found a way to, frankly, make our situation a little bit worse, specifically around wars. He did not do that. And that is a huge accomplishment that I think needs to be acknowledged," Palihapitiya said.

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The co-host then described himself as a "Democrat" now "left homeless" and "definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right."

He expressed "appreciation, despite the messenger, of the message of the Trump administration."

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Palihapitiya cited the Abraham Accords and other Middle East peace initiatives as "just a real example for the world."

At that point, co-host Jason Calacanis interrupted so as to amplify his comments.

"It's a miracle, actually, when you look at it, what they did, you know," he said.

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Calacanis described himself as "no fan of Trump" and "homeless" like his co-host.

"But if you want to objectively look at what they did, it was good work. It was great work," he said.

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Palihapitiya then lamented the damage caused by "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

"It's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it," he said.

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"So much of the work that happened in that administration turns out to have been right," Palihapitiya added.

Palihapitiya cited the border wall, long-term debt and Middle East peace as examples.

His comments give us reason for encouragement on several fronts.

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For one thing, Palihapitiya did not limit his praise to the Trump administration's work in the Middle East. He also mentioned the border wall and Trump's record on war in general.

Likewise, he did not give tepid endorsements and then undermine them with broader anti-Trump rhetoric. He used words like "incredible" and decried the Trump Derangement Syndrome that has plagued so many people.

Meanwhile, Calacanis — who did express negativity about the former president during the podcast — described the Trump administration's Middle East peace initiatives in miraculous terms.

If Palihapitiya represents even a fraction of the Democrat-voting billionaire class, then Biden will face long odds in 2024.

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More importantly, his comments in that case would reflect a broader awakening among the very people who hitherto have shown themselves at best ignorant or indifferent to the destruction Democrats have wrought.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

This pretty much sums up what a lot of people must be thinking...............

More importantly, his comments in that case would reflect a broader awakening among the very people who hitherto have shown themselves at best ignorant or indifferent to the destruction Democrats have wrought.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

Why is one billionaire alleged Democrat defecting to the dark side a 'terrible sign for Democrats?'

Fuck this guy.  Who cares?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 years ago

Obviously you do or you would have passed right by the seed. I know you didn't read it but the title is what got you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.1    2 years ago

No, none of us gives a fuck about someone we never heard of.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    2 years ago

Why do you think that 'most people must be thinking' . . . . . such lies?  What destruction have Democrats wrought?

Or is this projection?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 years ago

Where did I type most? You're slipping.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.1    2 years ago

'a lot' 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    2 years ago

I saw most instead of must

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.1    2 years ago

So you avoided the question - deflecting with my mistake - so what 'destruction hath Democrats wrought' or was I correct the first time?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.5  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    2 years ago

Do you live in a bubble? Inflation. High interest rates keeping people out of the housing market, high food prices, 2 wars overseas, $6billion for 5 prisoners to a terrorist nation, China, Russia, and North Korea sleeping in the same bed to name a few.

Now, expound on what good they have done......................and "I don't answer to you" is not an acceptable response and will be deleted.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.5    2 years ago

So you've got nothing that is the fault of the Democrats.

Ho hum.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.6    2 years ago

We have wrought zero, zip, nada, none, 0, destruction.

Ya got nothin'

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.8  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.7    2 years ago
zero, zip, nada, none, 0,

Is that your answer to what good Dems have done? or are you going to avoid the question?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.2.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.5    2 years ago

Most ... must ... a lot. Don't you know they all mean the same?

And don't forget about China's looming war with Taiwan. That would mean that Biden would have contributed to THREE wars in 4 years.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.10  arkpdx  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.8    2 years ago

You expected something different?

 
 
 
CB
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1.2.11  CB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.5    2 years ago

Sounds like the natural course of a world gone 'mad' and,. . . oh heck, it's the job of the U.S. president to fix the world (while congress and the courts) fight him like cats and dogs! Also, Trump's bluster would play out as soon as he is required to put up or shut up! It will be just like that staged insurrection of Trump's where he did not get his way and wisely chose it would be in his best interest not to have to face the embarrassment of being locked out of the White House or never leave for fear of not being able to get back in!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

"Every other president found a way to, frankly, make our situation a little bit worse, specifically around wars. He did not do that. And that is a huge accomplishment that I think needs to be acknowledged," Palihapitiya said.

And he did it under the pressure of a faux investigation and faux media stories and fierce resistance, including sabotage, from people within the administration, throughout his term.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 years ago
And he did it under the pressure of a faux investigation and faux media stories and fierce resistance, including sabotage, from people within the administration, throughout his term.

Bizarre comments like this tell us of the bad shape America is in. There are tens of millions of people who have lost touch with reality. 

God help us. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
God help us.

If all goes well, the left will need every bit of God's help.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    2 years ago

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Sparty On
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2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago

Yes, many of you need help and a lot of it.     This Trump fetish some of you have is about one of the most unhealthy things I have ever seen.

Very unhealthy …..

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 years ago

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The Biden government finally admitted what we already knew: Trump was right!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
Bizarre comments like this tell us of the bad shape America is in. There are tens of millions of people who have lost touch with reality.  God help us. 

It is called 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' or TDS.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago
 There are tens of millions of people who have lost touch with reality. 

Democrats?

Bidennstas?

 
 
 
Michael C.
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2.1.8  Michael C.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    2 years ago
If all goes well, the left will need every bit of God's help.

Well, people are saying that God (Peace Be Upon Him) is actually a Democrat!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 years ago

So hilarious - they're confusing faux 'news' with the former faux president.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    2 years ago
The Biden government

The Biden government didn't admit to anything.

Some obscure foreign national billionaire said something nice about Trump's administration and a few right wingers make a big deal about it.

Grasping at straws is very unappealing. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @2.1.10    2 years ago

All they got cj

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

The trump admin, despite trump, media insanity, special counsel witch-hunts, a “resistance” within the government, etc…, governed pretty effectively. T

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 years ago

Yep, resist movement, never Trumper group and all.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    2 years ago
If Palihapitiya represents even a fraction of the Democrat-voting billionaire class, then Biden will face long odds in 2024.

Billionaire class voting is going to tip the election to Trump is it?  The economy must really be cooking over the last three years if America has enough billionaires voting to tip an election. 

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When I read through this pathetic nonsense I was looking for the punchline, you know the humor that we see in clever satire. But, I guess this delusionary content is meant to be taken seriously. 

And then we see local conservatives lapping this garbage up. 

What a world. 

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 years ago
Billionaire class voting is going to tip the election to Trump is it?  The economy must really be cooking over the last three years if America has enough billionaires voting to tip an election. 

It's cute how you pretend to not know what this means, and try to deflect from the realities of what his statement very likely means, Billionaires fund campaigns, they buy ads, and we know that a huge segment of the society that we affectionally call democrats aren't very bright, and will vote for who their TV tells them too. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  George @4.1    2 years ago

Let me help you out a little. Nobody gives a fuck what people no one has ever heard of think. Im sure there are a few billionaires who think they can influence elections by endorsing one candidate or another but that belief is totally delusional. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  George @4.1    2 years ago

No worries.    Dems have plenty of billionaire’s on their side.    The evil Soros syndicate comes immediately to mind.    But in their pea brains that is different.

Such is how a useful idiot reasons …..

 
 
 
George
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4.1.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 years ago

Way to dodge what i actually said John, Nobody gave a fuck who Sheldon Anderson endorsed, but hey sure saw the hundreds of adds he funded to get Bush elected twice. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 years ago
Let me help you out a little. Nobody gives a fuck what people no one has ever heard of think.

You do realize that includes you as well?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 years ago

BINGO John!  Who gives a fuck what this alleged Democrat believes?  Fuck him!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 years ago

'Billionaire class voting is going to tip the election to Trump is it?'

Isn't that one of the most moronic things you've ever heard?????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Honest to God one has to laugh, reading this seed and the few comments so far. There are all these people who claim, to hide their shame, that they dont support Trump anymore. Why they lie, is ..... oh wait, they're ashamed to say they are MAGA so that is why they playfake at dumping the piece of human sewage waste.  The game is given up though when they come to something like this and bleat approval of the seeded bilge. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    2 years ago

So, we are to ignore and forget about the fact that millions of voters regret voting for Trump?

That he was thoroughly rejected by the voters?

One guy, we never heard of, changes nothing...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @6    2 years ago
Chamath Palihapitiya, a billionaire venture capitalist who voted Democrat in the last two presidential elections

You've never heard of Chamath Palihapitiya?  You must live on the planet earth or something . Thats not fair. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 years ago

I’d bet there isn’t even 0.1% of the country who could spell Chamath Palihapitiya.  The arguments from the right continue to devolve into more bizarre territory.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.1    2 years ago

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arkpdx
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6.2  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @6    2 years ago
, we are to ignore and forget about the fact that millions of voters regret voting for Trump?

Are you going g to ignore the fact that millions regret voting for Biden?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

Israel-UAE Peace Deal

The White House played host the signing of a historic, U.S.-brokered peace deal between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain last month, opening up opportunities for trade and travel between the nations. Under the terms of the deal, officially known as the Abraham Accords, the signatories agreed to an exchange of ambassadors and embassies—placing  further pressure  on Iran's standing in the region.

Stock Market Rallies

On the domestic level, Wall Street and retail investors have benefited from major market rallies over the past four years, even after key indices took sharp tumbles in the wake of the COVID-19 outbreak and pandemic shutdown measures.

Trump has repeatedly celebrated stock market maneuvers, portraying the shifts as good news for the wider economy, even as the civil unemployment rate has failed to make a similar recovery.

At the start of the Trump presidency, the Nasdaq composite index hovered at around 5,500 points. Four years later and in the wake of a global economic crash, it stands at more than 11,500 points.

Tax Cuts and Reforms

Behind the stock market's boom over the past four years has been the Trump administration's drive to cut corporation tax with the stated aim of creating the "trickle-down" benefits of further job creation and improved household incomes.

Signing the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law in 2017, Trump cut the top rate of corporation tax from 35 percent to 21 percent in a "simplification" plan. It was expected that major firms would make new investments and boost staff wages with the capital freed up by the change.

Replacing NAFTA with USMCA

Three years after he signed off the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Trump fulfilled a key promise of his 2016 election campaign by renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement and replacing it with a new deal.

The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement was   signed off   in January this year after two years of negotiations between the three nations over a deal touching on $1 trillion of trade.

In typical fashion, the president called the bill the "best and most important trade deal" that had ever been made by the U.S., and argued that it would be "good for everybody" in the country.

Beginning Border Wall Construction

Although Trump has failed to fully deliver on his campaign pledge to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border as part of his wider anti-immigration agenda, construction has begun on the project.

Over the past four years, the president's administration has managed to   build 360 miles   of the border wall, adding to 354 miles of pedestrian barriers that already existed along the 1,933-mile border.


What Donald Trump Has Accomplished as President (newsweek.com)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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JohnRussell
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7.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 years ago

Donald Trump is a criminal, but even more than that he is a bad, bad, human being, awash in narcissistic mental illness that he inflicts on the rest of us through his "fame". 

There are hundreds of politicians capable of doing whatever good (in your opinion) that Trump did. 

Are MAGA [Deleted] too stupid to find one of those hundreds of others?  Or do they love their criminal god because he is perceived as smiting their enemies? Either way it is pathetic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    2 years ago

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Sparty On
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7.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.1    2 years ago

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JohnRussell
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7.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.1    2 years ago

[X]

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.5  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    2 years ago
There are hundreds of politicians capable of doing whatever good (in your opinion) that Trump did. 

Name some. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.6  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    2 years ago
awash in narcissistic mental illness

 IMHO that is a characteristic of all politicians and more so in those that want to be president. It goes with the territory

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.5    2 years ago

Chirp, chirp, chirp...

 
 
 
Michael C.
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7.2.8  Michael C.  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    2 years ago
Are MAGA [Deleted] too stupid to find one of those hundreds of others?

Yes.

The MAGA people have secret tactics they use to ensure their power-- and political success. To cite but one example-- look at how they handled to votes for Speaker of the House.

Genius!!!!

 
 
 
George
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8  George    2 years ago

It's very telling that the liberals who have ventured here don't dispute what he said, and only have personal insults and deflection. In what way that can be qualitatively measured has Biden been a better president than trump, trump is no doubt an asshole, but that is a personality trait.

Who had more Americans die from Covid?  and who had all the advantages?

Who was inflation better under?

Who had a better control over immigration?

Who actually was willing to stop and talk to a hostile press and who hides from them?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1  Sparty On  replied to  George @8    2 years ago

It’s funny, Trump walks a little funny down a ramp and left loses its mind.    Biden stumbles, falls or walks in the wrong direction nearly every day and we get radio silence from the same people.

Their hypocrisy has hit hyper-speed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @8.1    2 years ago
It’s funny, Trump walks a little funny down a ramp and left loses its mind.  

Right wing delusion has hit the speed of light. 

People dont object to Trump because he has trouble walking down a ramp. 

[Deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    2 years ago

America has become an idiocracy wearing a MAGA hat. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.4    2 years ago

I got my hat for 5 dollars. But I admit the only reason I bought it was so I can wear it every time I see my liberal brother in law.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    2 years ago

They are a minority.    

Although a very vocal minority.    Especially here.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.1    2 years ago
Right wing delusion has hit the speed of light. 

Hyper speed is faster than the speed of light.

Glad I could once again, help educate one of my good friends on the left.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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8.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.4    2 years ago

That still continue to live rent free in the head!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Joe is a great asset to Trump.  The worse Joe does the better Trump looks.  And Trump is looking better and better every day Joe is actually awake.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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10  Tacos!    2 years ago

We're talking about one guy no one's ever heard of or cares about?

Chamath Palihapitiya, a billionaire venture capitalist

Therefore, what? His opinion matters more than us mere plebes?

he began by confessing that he voted for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 and then for President Joe Biden in 2020

He claims. Should we care, though? Did he campaign for them? Raise money? Donate?

If Palihapitiya represents even a fraction of the Democrat-voting billionaire class

I see no reason to suppose that he represents anyone other than himself.

Palihapitiya then lamented the damage caused by "Trump Derangement Syndrome." "It's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it," he said.

I think this is a valid criticism. It's near impossible to have any kind of objective analysis from unlike minds about the accomplishments or failures of Trump's administration. Too many people care more about how much they love or hate him than they do about actually looking at what he might have accomplished - or failed to accomplish. You can be a raging asshole and still do a good thing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @10    2 years ago
It's near impossible to have any kind of objective analysis from unlike minds about the accomplishments or failures of Trump's administration.

No one in the world has any good reason to be "objective" about Donald Trump. 

A few weeks ago the host of Meet The Press asked him what he was doing during the hours the Capitol was under siege from rioters. It was a very direct question based on the FACT that Trump did nothing to stop the riot. 

Trump's answer was "I'm not going to tell you that"

If he was doing anything honorable during that time period he would have gladly told her. He did nothing that day because he wanted the riot to succeed. 

He doesnt deserve "objectivity". 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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10.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    2 years ago
No one in the world has any good reason to be "objective" about Donald Trump.

I understand and appreciate your political passion, but you have missed the topic of the sentence you are responding to. That subject was not Donald Trump, but the accomplishments of his administration. Honestly, your reaction validates the point I was making. Your anti-Trump passion makes it impossible for you to even imagine discussing what government actually did or not achieve while he was president.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @10.1.1    2 years ago

Look, Trump's accomplishments are in the eye of the beholder. Many people who didnt vote for him dont think he accomplished much positive at all. The idea that someone who has as many personal defects as he has is remotely under consideration for a return to the White House is ludicrous. 

The idea that "we need Trump because of all the good he did" is insane. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.3    2 years ago

Donald Trump is not fit to be in office, any office. A couple days ago he posted the home address of the NY Attorney General who is prosecuting him. 

He is a criminal who belongs in a cell for 10 years. End of story. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.5    2 years ago

I answered you. I wouldnt consider voting for Trump if he walked on water. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.10    2 years ago
Do you recognize the fact that inflation under Biden at its lowest point is still higher than Trump's worst days?

If Trump is elected, do you believe he will 'fix' the inflation problem?   That is, do you believe that a PotUS has powers that can directly and significantly address a major dimension of the economy (like inflation) and do so without causing other problems?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.11    2 years ago

How would he know? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.12    2 years ago

Indeed.

Too many people think the PotUS has significant, directed control over the economy.   It is nutty.   They point to the current PotUS and simply assume that a good or bad economy (or even specific bad factors in a mediocre economy) is 'somehow' his doing.

The Fed (and the world's economists in general) would love to know how those special powers work because right now they are just tweaking a few brute force, coarse dials and waiting to see if it produces something close to the desired effect.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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10.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.14    2 years ago
Too many people think the PotUS has significant, directed control over the economy.   It is nutty.  

True, but it significantly reinforced by the Party in power claiming credit for any good economic news and the party out of power criticizing their counterparts for bad news.  Neither Party wants to lead and educate the electorate, they only want to win.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.15    2 years ago
Neither Party wants to lead and educate the electorate, they only want to win.

Correct.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.17    2 years ago
Biden has certainly been bragging about his economy, so I think it appropriate to lay the blame on him.

But wrong nonetheless.   Blame and credit for the economy are both fundamentally wrong.   The electorate would be far more accurate if it understood this.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.19    2 years ago

From what I am seeing, the US electorate is not illustrating intelligence.   The fact that Trump has a chance at the presidency (assuming the polls are indicative) suggests anything but a smart electorate.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.21    2 years ago
Maybe having Joe Biden as President is another sign.

IMO, Biden was elected in aversion to Trump.   The choices the GOP makes does affect the nation.   And by yet again likely nominating Trump, the GOP will again adversely affect the nation.

As for the Ds, Biden is a dumb choice IMO.   

So we can easily argue that both the Ds and the Rs appear to be making stupid choices for their nominees.    The GOP, however, is so far off the rails that I do not even recognize the party anymore.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.23    2 years ago

So your 'contribution' is to note that my opinion is my opinion.    

You did not offer anything beyond what I wrote.

You simply focused on the Ds and ignored the adverse actions of the Rs.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
10.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.25    2 years ago

Predictable vague response.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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10.1.28  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.26    2 years ago

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CB
Professor Expert
10.1.30  CB  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.22    2 years ago
The GOP, however, is so far off the rails that I do not even recognize the party anymore.

The GOP is exactly where it wants to be 'situated' in politics right now: Taking over the whole of U.S. society and winning the cultural wars to its liking - in which liberals and secularists will be relegated to second-class interests. Moreover, considering how much MAGA conservative effort is going into tricking/backstabbing/abuse of trust getting their way up to this point - MAGA has intentions of fighting ("political combat") to the ng degree to keep what it has stolen from liberals and secularist and not giving it back (ever)!

The democrats want liberty, freedom, diversity, inclusion, and equality/equity as needed to be fair to all the citizenry of our beloved nation.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
11  Gazoo    2 years ago

It’s nice to know that some dems have common sense. Things were way better under trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @11    2 years ago
Things were way better under trump.

Is it your belief that Trump would somehow bring back the 'good days'?   That he will somehow make the economy like it was during his first three years in office?  

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.2.1  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @11.2    2 years ago

I think he'll do a much better job of fixing than who is POTUS now. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @11.2.1    2 years ago

It is the Fed that has the best (albeit coarse and indirect) tools to fight inflation.   Not the PotUS.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @11.2.2    2 years ago

True, interest rate hikes by the Fed are about the ONLY thing holding back inflation right now.    Problem with the Biden admin is that it has often worked at cross purposes to those rate hikes via increased spending.

The 2021 1.9 trillion dollar American Rescue Plan was a good example of that.    While one could argue the inflation caused by the 2.9 trillion spent in 2020, due to the dire economics brought on by the COVID crisis, was a necessary evil.    That crisis had largely abated by 2021 and the added 1.9 trillion was overkill.   Biden owns that.

Progressives who feel we can print/borrow money or otherwise freely spend money not covered by added revenues, without raising inflation, are simply being obtuse.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.3    2 years ago
Progressives who feel we can print/borrow money or otherwise freely spend money not covered by added revenues, without raising inflation, are simply being obtuse.

Why do you think this is just progressives (the Ds)?   Seems to me that both parties have abandoned fiscal discipline.   Surely you have not forgotten what took place under Trump:

When President Trump entered the Oval Office, CBO projected the cumulative 2017–2027 budget deficits would be $10.0 trillion. When he left office four years later, CBO’s projected deficits for the same period were $13.9 trillion. The president signed or enacted $7.8 trillion in new initiatives, the costs of which were partially offset by $3.9 trillion saved from economic growth revenues and technical re-estimates of taxes and spending levels.

Government spending is indeed a contributor to inflation.   Spending is clearly one of the ways an administration can contribute to bad economic factors.   But you seem to have missed the point.

The point was about Trump coming in and ' fixing ' our economy.   So since you have opined, I will ask you the same question:

Is it your belief that Trump would somehow bring back the 'good days'?   That he will somehow make the economy like it was during his first three years in office?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @11.2.4    2 years ago
Why do you think this is just progressives (the Ds)?

I never said it was but Progressives tend to believe in a print and spend government.  A modern monetary theory Conservatives do not follow.   This fact can not be disputed.

   Seems to me that both parties have abandoned fiscal discipline.   Surely you have not forgotten what took place under Trump:

I’ve forgotten nothing.   See below.

When President Trump entered the Oval Office, CBO projected the cumulative 2017–2027 budget deficits would be $10.0 trillion. When he left office four years later, CBO’s projected deficits for the same period were $13.9 trillion. The president signed or enacted $7.8 trillion in new initiatives, the costs of which were partially offset by $3.9 trillion saved from economic growth revenues and technical re-estimates of taxes and spending levels. manhattan.institute

A disingenuous presentation at best.    That CBO study didn’t account for COVID.     As I have already noted, much of those added costs were COVID related and arguably necessary.    Nearly 3 trillion enacted by Trump admin in 2020 alone.    I see you conveniently overlooked that point in my original comment.

Government spending is indeed a contributor to inflation.   Spending is clearly one of the ways an administration can contribute to bad economic factors.   But you seem to have missed the point.

The point was about Trump coming in and ' fixing ' our economy.   So since you have opined, I will ask you the same question:

Is it your belief that Trump would somehow bring back the 'good days'?   That he will somehow make the economy like it was during his first three years in office?

It is my belief that a Trump presidency, by policy, would lower inflation faster than a Biden presidency.    A Biden admin would continue their spending ways.      Heavily subsidizing green energy initiatives, increasing subsidies to things like food programs, child care and health care, student loan forgiveness, etc.    The differences are substantial and a Biden presidency’s WILL increase inflation more than a Trump presidency.    Or at minimum, lower it slower.

There is little doubt of that.

The only hope Biden would have would be to raise everyone’s taxes to increase revenue.    A real popular plan in times like these where many are already having trouble making ends meet.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.6  CB  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.5    2 years ago
The only hope Biden would have would be to raise everyone’s taxes to increase revenue.    A real popular plan in times like these where many are already having trouble making ends meet.

Is there ever a good time to raise taxes for MAGA conservatives? I'll answer that. Nope. And I note that you apply "special pleading" to Trump's expenditure of trillions for Covid-19, but condemn Biden for spending to fix "crumbling infrastructure."

Well, a bridge collapsed once due to a lack of funding (expenditure) and people died. Furthermore, the fear is that others will collapse if something is not done from overpasses to bridges to. . . fill in here

I don't know about you, but "many people say" they don't want the bridges and overpasses . . .whatever falling away beneath their feet! It's not a good 'look or feel' for the people it will happen to nor those who have to watch it.

Blind partisanship is stupid.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.5    2 years ago
I never said it was but Progressives tend to believe in a print and spend government.    

Going by your words:

Sparty @ 11.2.3 Progressives who feel  ...


A disingenuous presentation at best.    That CBO study didn’t account for COVID.  

Are you trying to argue that Trump was an example of a fiscally disciplined PotUS?

It is my belief that a Trump presidency, by policy, would lower inflation faster than a Biden presidency.  

A Trump presidency might spend less than Biden (let's hope we never find out).   It certainly would spend less on social programs and investments in renewable energy.   But no matter what an administration does, its role in the economy is minimal and has a delayed effect.    It is the Fed that has the biggest impact albeit also indirect and time-delayed.

And as for spending (and, in particular, debt) the GOP over the past few decades has NOT been the party of fiscal discipline:

Debt By U.S. President

Total change Percent change
Franklin D. Roosevelt $178,464,714,660.98
791.8%
791.8%
791.8%
Woodrow Wilson $23,036,251,492.50
789.9%
789.9%
789.9%
Ronald Reagan $1,604,482,712,041.16
160.8%
160.8%
160.8%
George W. Bush $4,217,261,484,712.34
72.6%
72.6%
72.6%
Barack Obama $7,663,615,710,425.00
64.4%
64.4%
64.4%
George H. W. Bush $1,207,189,695,334.34
42.3%
42.3%
42.3%
Richard Nixon $121,339,561,890.14
34.3%
34.3%
34.3%
Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60
33.1%
33.1%
33.1%
Jimmy Carter $208,861,000,000.00
29.9%
29.9%
29.9%
Bill Clinton $1,262,689,326,747.48
28.6%
28.6%
28.6%
Theodore Roosevelt $483,479,337.65
22.6%
22.6%
22.6%
Gerald Ford $87,244,000,000.00
16.4%
16.4%
16.4%

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
11.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  CB @11.2.6    2 years ago

Another obtuse comment.    

I’ll be happy to pay more taxes under two simply conditions.   First, tax increases are used as targeted.    For example, if taxes are increased to fix infrastructure, they actually get spent on infrastructure and not something else completely unrelated.    Second, everyone with exception of the lowest tax bracket, gets a tax increases.    None of this tax the rich only bullshit.    When everyone has some skin in the game, opinions on raising taxes change dramatically.

So once again, you are wrong CB.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
11.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @11.2.7    2 years ago

I’m not going to get into another grammar debate with you.   That is a fools errand.    Suffice it to say my comment did not say “only” progressives do that, so your representation that it did, is completely erroneous.

A Trump presidency might spend less than Biden (let's hope we never find out).

A very telling comment.    You “hope” a President that will spend less, is not elected.    Amazing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.9    2 years ago
I’m not going to get into another grammar debate with you.

A ' grammar debate '?    jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

You “hope” a President that will spend less, is not elected.  

Now that is striking dishonesty and extreme spinning.

You (and everyone else who frequents the forum) knows that my position is that Trump is a traitor who attempted to steal a US presidential election and should never be allowed access to political power.  Most people also know that I am very much in favor of fiscal discipline.

It never takes long for the intellectual dishonesty to emerge.

 
 
 
George
Senior Expert
11.2.12  George  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.9    2 years ago

I love the intellectual dishonesty of using percentages to rate president spending, 

I have 5 dollars and spend 15 which raises it to 20.....Spending a total of 15 dollars and raising it 300 percent

The next guy spends 16 dollars and he is more physically responsible  because he only raised it 80% even though he spent more.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.2.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @11.2.4    2 years ago

The truth was that speaker Pelosi demanded that Trump spend more in order to get an agreement.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Saturday that a two-year budget agreement with the Trump administration must include equal increases in defense and nondefense spending, plus additional money for a program intended to improve healthcare for military veterans.

“We all agree on the need to address the debt limit, but we also must reach an agreement on spending priorities based upon the principle of parity as soon as possible,” the top Democrat in the House of Representatives told U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin in a July 13 letter.

Pelosi sets spending demands for two-year budget deal | Reuters

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.16  TᵢG  replied to  George @11.2.12    2 years ago

Do you not recognize that using actual amounts distorts the picture due to inflation?

The best presentation would be actual amounts adjusting for inflation.

If you find one then post it rather than make groundless claims of intellectual dishonesty.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.14    2 years ago

So where did I suggest that the Ds were fiscally responsible?

Strawman!

This is the question I asked:

Is it your belief that Trump would somehow bring back the 'good days'?   That he will somehow make the economy like it was during his first three years in office?  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.19  CB  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.8    2 years ago

Nobody asked you about personal preferences, . . . . The point being that in order to make money. . . this nation has to spend money. And, that goes 'doubly' for these humanitarian aid packages we as a nation pay-out to other nations. . . for the good-will and investments it returns. That is, if you want the good from other countries you have to show them you are there when they are in their crisis/es of need. 

Same goes for the homeland, USA. If this country is going to be there for anyone. . . reach a hand across the 'street' and help the 'stranger' who is near to each of us.

As for as being 'wrong' - I don't think so. 

Granted this nation spends too much and needs to do something APPROPRIATE TO THE TIME - OF SAVING WHEN IT APPEARS - but, cutting people out in order to keep oligarchs happy (and "fat") ain't conducive to happiness in our country. 

You do remember that the government is here for the people and not the people here for the country. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.21  CB  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.9    2 years ago

Presidents who spend less when appropriate and accordingly are fine; presidents who try to take down the systems we all have come to expect/support/need/live by is a 'Dick' and in the game of politics nobody considers a "Jerk" to be a likeable and necessary thing. Donald Trump fails to win over independents because he is indifferent to 'flattening' friend/acquaintance/domestic foe/international foe. Of course, (former) friends and foes are not going to let him get away with hostilities toward themselves and the country overall.

As I wrote before here or elsewhere, Trump has compelled even some of his 'own' loyal staff/servants/teammembers to write about his failures as president to consider the nation and people when he makes decisions he chooses to run with-even against the advice of experts in a specific field.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.23  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.14    2 years ago

Oh, the old 'Pelosi, the big spending liberal, twisted the arm of ascetic Trump until he appeased her' - card? So Trump's a victim?

Nevermind the logic that you have to spend money to make money and keep the country well. Sometimes more than at other times depending on the national 'health'  or 'unhealthiness' of the country. 

Prevention is said to be worth a pound of cure.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
11.2.25  Sparty On  replied to  CB @11.2.19    2 years ago
Nobody asked you about personal preferences,

So what?    Nobody asked for your opinion either but you are always happy to bloviate it endlessly here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.26  CB  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.25    2 years ago

 The government is here for the people and not the people here for the country. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
11.2.27  Sparty On  replied to  CB @11.2.26    2 years ago
The government is here for the people

Lol …. If that were really true the government would be doing a better job of protecting the “peoples” border.

A representative government is the people.    All the people.    Not just the ones who happen to agree with your preferred narratives.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
11.2.28  CB  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.27    2 years ago

You're treading water now in a peculiar holding pattern. If MAGA doesn't have anything to write which moves the discussion forward, silence is a good thing. Also, MAGA vainly mouths the words, "all the people is the people" because there is a great body of political work which shows MAGA conservatives don't even accept their fellow republicans and conservatives who are shunned, censored, and eliminated from the representative bodies of congress by MAGA conservatives. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
11.2.30  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @11.2.29    2 years ago

The comments demonstrate more of a mental imbalance.

Coo coo for Cocoa Puffs ……

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
12  CB    2 years ago
Palihapitiya then lamented the damage caused by "Trump Derangement Syndrome." "It's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it," he said.

Nobody can fault Trump for doing a good work when and where it was accomplished. But, the "baggage" —Trump's is too much work! That is, just read some of the books coming out of the man's cabinet/staff/team Trump, all by himself, caused these people to work triply hard (or he would fire them) pulling stunts, tricks, and cutting deals with dastardly types. 

Now then if Chamath Palihapitiya, billionaire venture capitalist, wants to vote for the man that promises to end democracy in the United States for an oligarchial-laced style of governance that probably would work. . .for his personal and selfish-interests. He is a billionaire after all. 

What would the rest of us do under MAGA? 

That is the main question!

 
 
 
Michael C.
Freshman Guide
13  Michael C.    2 years ago

This conversation is getting boring-- I'm leaving.

(And I won't be missed)

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
14  arkpdx    2 years ago
(And I won't be missed)

Correctomondo!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15  Jasper2529    2 years ago
The co-host then described himself as a "Democrat" now "left homeless" and "definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right."

He joins the ranks of Wendell Wilkie, Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump,  Mike Pence, Dr. Alveda King, RFK, Jr., Dov Hikind, Tulsi Gabbard, Jeff Van Drew, and many others who've felt that the Democrat Party abandoned them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Expert
15.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15    2 years ago

Those people you name are all scum and Democrats don't support scum -  I don't know anything about Wendell Wilkie - what the fuck does he have to do with today?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @15.1    2 years ago
Democrats don't support scum

I sincerely apologize, Tessy. I didn't know that you were the chairperson/spokesperson of the DNC and authorized to speak for all Democrats.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Expert
15.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.1.1    2 years ago

tulsi isn't scum, just a dino, just like the others I imagine

you never answered my question

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @15.1.2    2 years ago
you never answered my question

Wendell Willkie was merely a prominent, influential Democrat-turned-Republican that was on my list in comment 15 . I learned about him in my high school history class when we were studying FDR. If you have time, please read about how he worked with FDR during World War 2. It's quite interesting!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
15.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @15.1.2    2 years ago

Gabbard isn’t a Dino.    She wisely dropped the “D” in 2022 and has nothing to do with it today.    

Clever girl!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Expert
16  CB    2 years ago

How Liberal Journalist Think

* This topic video is pulled off the website: "Conservative Talking Points - A Conservative's Debating Tool and Reference Database of Political Knowledge." If you're continuously wondering where MAGA is getting their stubbornly negative perspective about liberals - one spot on the 'dail.'

Liberals have a site "Talking Points Memo" too. Just to be fair.

 
 

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