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Populations and relative sizes of the Dakotas and Manhattan

  
Via:  Bob Nelson  •  6 years ago  •  16 comments

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Populations and relative sizes of the Dakotas and Manhattan
 

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Populations and relative sizes of the Dakotas and Manhattan

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The Dakotas' population fits into Manhattan Island with room to spare.

The Dakotas have four Senators. Manhattan has about one-seventh of one Senator.


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

Population density.....

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    6 years ago
Population density.....

means nothing when it comes to the Senate.

The Founders were very wise

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    6 years ago

In 1800, the ratio biggest / smallest was about 7:1.

Today, it's 30:1.

The evolution is unreasonable. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2  TᵢG    6 years ago

Statehood matters per the CotUS.   Being a state is a big deal.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @2    6 years ago

Manhattan "should" have four Senators.

We could go far......

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago

Then work with your local government to have Manhattan secede from New York State and form two new states.  That's the constitutional solution.

I'm not sure however that New York State will be willing to allow that tax base to get away.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago

That would violate the CotUS.   The House represents population whereas the Senate represents statehood.

You know this, so is your point that the structure of our federal government per the CotUS is wrong?   If so, I do not see this changing.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.2    6 years ago

If the left doesn't act... America will be a patriarchal plutocracy within a decade. We need to keep absurd injustices, like Manhattan / Dakotas, clearly in view to remind us that present institutions are not democratic, and will only get worse if we do not act. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    6 years ago

Pure democracy is not necessarily ideal.   We have far bigger problems than this.   Key problem is career politicians exploiting their power for personal and party gain.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.5  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.4    6 years ago

The key problem is that 40% of the population, and one of the major parties, are opposed to democracy. Therefore, those who want America to have a democratic future must be vehement if not violent. 

Every day, the headlines tell us how fragile our not-really-democratic democracy is. John Roberts's vote made many happy... but only makes the danger of Barrett more evident...

If American democrats do not act, soon and firmly, the Republicans' one-party police state will happen. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.7  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    6 years ago

That would be better... but wouldn't change the problem fundamentally. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.5    6 years ago
key problem is that 40% of the population, and one of the major parties, are opposed to democracy. T

That's weird. Weren't you claiming Democracy ended in 2014 when voters rejected the Democrats? It's back now, though? But will be over if voters don't vote as you demand? Is that it? 

 those who want America to have a democratic future must be vehement if not violent. 

Fanatics always justify violence in the name of the people. Anything will serve as a convenient excuse.

. cy is. John Roberts's vote made many happy...  

Of course it did . A Court blatantly changed the material provisions of a  law passed by a  democratically elected legislature  for it's own perceived political advantage and Roberts let them do it.  Overriding Democracy in the name of Democratic Party  needs is essentially your passion project. 

ly, the Republicans' one-party police state will happe'

Sure, Sure. The Republicans controlled all three branches of government from 2017-2019. Were we living in a police state and didn't notice it? Were your wild anti-Trump screeds censored? Were people not allowed to protest Trump? Did Trump pack the Court with Justices?  When a President starts packing the Courts with partisan judges, then you can talk all you want about living in a police state where the rule of law is a sham.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.5    6 years ago
The key problem is that 40% of the population, and one of the major parties, are opposed to democracy.

No they are not.   The vast, vast majority of citizens prefer the representative Democracy in place in the USA.   We just dislike the way our system is abused by career politicians and people / corporations with $$$ who can influence same.

If American democrats do not act, soon and firmly, the Republicans' one-party police state will happen. 

Bob.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.10  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.8    6 years ago
Weren't you claiming Democracy ended in 2014 when voters rejected the Democrats. It's back now though? 

The jury is still out. I didn't expect voters' revulsion towards Trump to grow so fast. Trump has been even more execrable than I expected. 

There is a very narrow window for saving democracy in America. I'm still not optimist, but at least there's a small chance. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    6 years ago
The Dakotas have four Senators. Manhattan has about one-seventh of one Senator.

Senators represent states, not the population. If it helps, you can think of it as a kind of diversity in representative government. America doesn't do government in just one way.

I guess if Manhattan wanted senators, they could always try seceding from New York.

 
 

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