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Gun control in Europe is almost total. It hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas

  

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Via:  therealbruce  •  9 years ago  •  54 comments

Gun control in Europe is almost total. It hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas

Within hours of the horrible attack in Las Vegas, before we knew most of the relevant facts about the tragedy, gun control advocates were calling for more gun control.  Here is something I would like those advocates to consider: Europe, which has all the gun controls that are being pushed in the aftermath of the Las Vegas carnage, has actually suffered more bloodshed from these types of attacks than the U.S.

You heard that right: Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

In the 1970s, 80s and 90s, Europe saw machine gun attacks in airports and nightclubs by groups such as Black September and the Red Army Faction. In fact, machine guns are commonly used in mass shootings in the rest of the world.


This has not been the case here in the U.S. In fact, Sunday’s attack on a country music festival in Las Vegas – that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 wounded – may be the first mass public shooting in the U.S. involving a machine gun, if it turns out the killer did use such a weapon. According to a  Wall Street Journal report , the gunman, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, is believed to have used at least one fully automatic weapon – weapons that are heavily restricted under U.S. federal law.

It is an attack that is likely to rank 14 th  in the most deadly mass public shooting in the world since 1970. It is the worst ever in the United States, according to data collected by the Center for Crime Research where I am founder and president.

There were 29 such shootings (four or more fatalities in a public place, according to the FBI’s official definition) in the U.S. during the eight years of the Obama administration; 26 in Europe. The rate at which people are killed is virtually the same in the European Union as in the United States.


Again, many of the facts about what happened in Las Vegas remain unknown at the moment, including exactly what type of firearm the gunman used. But one sad fact that everyone calling for gun control needs to consider is that, as Europe has shown, you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won’t be able to stop horrors like this from happening.


John R. Lott, Jr. is a columnist for  FoxNews.com . He is an economist and was formerly chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. Lott is also a leading expert on guns and op-eds on that issue are done in conjunction with the Crime Prevention Research Center . He is the author of nine books including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "The War on Guns: Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies (August 1, 2016). Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr .

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gun-control-in-europe-is-almost-total-it-hasnt-stopped-mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.html


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Uncle Bruce
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1  seeder  Uncle Bruce    9 years ago

Interesting.  I believe we have some folks here who champion the EU's gun control laws.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Uncle Bruce @1    9 years ago

Excellent seed. The spinning will begin shortly.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     9 years ago

True as long as we have guns like this or guns that be altered to do this we will have mass murders using these weapons. 

The fact is the world will never probably be free from weapons like this. Once they were developed and released there was no going back. 

Regulating them will never stop unregulated people from getting their hands on one either because not all regulated people are fully responsible enough to not allow it to happen. 

That's life. (and death) and my opinion.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3    9 years ago

Very percipient of you Steve....

We agree....

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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4  SteevieGee    9 years ago

This post is a complete lie.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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4.1  SteevieGee  replied to  SteevieGee @4    9 years ago

You do trust the Wiki don't you?  You don't think it's 'fake news'?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  SteevieGee @4.1    9 years ago

No one should trust Wiki, and I'm a Wikipedia editor....

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4.1.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  LMM @4.1.2    9 years ago

Debunked by liberals with an agenda, right....

Is that the same as the debunked Kellerman study, you know the one that says you are ten time more likely to die by gun if you have a gun in the house?

Guns is one of the areas where there are so many competing debunked studies where they really don't mean anything anymore....

You want to talk Hemenway and his myriad studies serving the liberal cause? I think he puts out at least two or three a year..... All of them with a specific bent.

There are studies that haven't been debunked, criticized yes but not debunked....

But then no one really wants to look at the problem from a practical focus do they...

Absolutists an all sides....

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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4.1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Nowhere Man @4.1.3    9 years ago

Debunked by liberals with an agenda, right

Debunked by a gun owner and 2nd amendment supporter.

 
 
 
markpup
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6  markpup    9 years ago

One problem in the US that is not prevalent in other countries is the sheer mass and number of available firearms per person. 

So realistically, anyone who wants to obtain a weapon and doesn't care about the legality of it can get one. The availability of weapons makes that inevitable.

The only real counter to that is to buy or otherwise acquire existing firearms and destroy them to reduce the number available. Given US history and the culture of people just used to having firearms available, I can't imagine this every actually happening. I think destroying most of the firearms out there along with strict gun control would reduce crimes and tragedies related to firearms, but we'll never actually do it.

 
 

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