When the "Party" is Almost Over
FYI: I'm not going to get into "it" with those who "don't want to know," so, I will make this generic, short and sweet … and let those who will equivocate, whistle past the graveyard, that is …
" … make an attempt to stay cheerful in a dire situation; to proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome, and/or to enter a situation with little or no understanding of the possible consequences … "
… I will say just the following …
When a convicted, having-plead-guilty-COOPERATOR works with an investigative/arresting body, he is most likely to perform a number of COOPERATIVE actions, including, but not limited to …
• Approaching suspects in the related investigation while wearing a WIRE (recording device) and thus attaining inculpatory evidence to be used as all or part of a subsequent indictment/trial/conviction/sentencing.
• Attaining such evidence by other electronic means such as e-mails, recorded phone conversations and/or hard copy documents.
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Aren't the Red Box rules supposed to be in the first comment?
Would be nice to know/see if there is anything to what he has recorded, if he recorded anything at all. I know we can't wait that long, it's far more fun to speculate and then call that fact.
I'll check on the placement of the Red Box Rules … in any event … they apply when posted.
Just my thoughts on the matter, but, since news of the prior agreement of the Cooperator to cooperate with the investigation has just now been released, it might be possible that such events as you mentioned could have taken place during the time the person had plead guilty, which had evidently may not have been made known to the public, and perhaps that is why it has just now been released. Or so it may seem. Whether or not they did make use of the methods that you mentioned may perhaps be made known at a later date.
However, Mueller appears to be a very meticulous and thorough person, and under the circumstances of what is at stake at this point, I feel sure that he would not take the steps he has without some hard evidence. It does not make sense that he would take such action merely for his own political purposes as some might like to propose.
But, as I said, it is just my own thoughts on it.
I would just about guarantee it! No way Mueller would announce the arrest before milking it dry for information!
Agreed. In spite of what some people would choose to believe, Mueller is not idiot, and he is not sloppy in what he does. I would find it very hard to believe that he did not take advantage of the situation at hand to find out as much information as he could. It would really have been a stupid slip and that is not Mueller's way. I have a feeling there will be a good many plea bargains involved s this investigation continues.
Also in spite of what some people choose to believe, Mueller is not corrupt.
Totally agree. You can tell Trump is running scared as he has amped up the deflections toward Hillary, well almost anybody and anything. I also find that anybody that he continually screams there's no whatever, in this case no collusion, he is a liar and he will go down. Problem is he'll get a pardon like Nixon.
Generically; frequent denials are sometimes referred to by investigators as a "consciousness of guilt."
As for "pardons," some crimes are violations of both Federal and State laws simultaneously … a Presidential pardon does not extend to violations of states' criminal laws.
In the case of "treason," even if Trump pardoned himself, it would not protect him from impeachment.
That would make the potential cell mates.
The irony.
A Pee Wee Herman rebuttal is now on the board ...
Otherwise, to paraphrase a famous quote ... "What's been oft-times debunked, is prologue."
I will be happy to post in another article, the lies of Clinton ... not the debunked ones Fox News and the Trumpians run out every time they get caught in a bullshit mode ... but the actual lies.
But be apprised that with the Clinton lies, I will post the validated as such, Trump lies with dates and related circumstances ... so, if you request such an article, be prepared to pack a lunch and stay a while as the list is almost endless.
You are correct and I believe the way Mueller is doing this he has state charges waiting in case Trump goes the pardon route. Again that's why he's furious as he knows the noose is tightening.
Really? Is that all you have? I used to pity trump followers but not any more as he is destroying this country and will be stopped. You and the rest are on the wrong side of history. Get out of your bubble as there's more than Rush, Fox and whatever other alt right crap you are fed daily. You are in for a shock. Read real news as Manafort will cooperate like the guy who plead guilty and if you look at what he did it's collusion. Don't believe me or any one else fine but it's the beginning of the end for Trump and the rest of these crooks.
your going to find that it is the left who is on the wrong side of history
the socialism / communism / progressive ideologies are what the wrong side of history looks like. and it will not be tolerated in this country any longer.
trump is our president for another 7yrs = the liberal world order is dead, you can count on that
For clarification ... Is that will not be tolerated comment a threat?
LOL ignoring more people actually voted for clinton and the path to continue as it was , I'd say you are mistaken.
trump got lucky, his votes took the electoral victory. That doesn't change the numbers of all who did vote, it just changes the outcome of the election.
This left leaning country really didn't really change just the leadership did. The same people that want to turn back time and those who want to move forward are the same. Only the leadership changed. I'd say Good luck trying to change America back to what it was. many people are sick of it being that way. The world has changed and so has America, that's reality.
Personally I don't think anyone can turn back the clock, the computer age done shrunk the planet.
Did you note the "On Purpose" at the top of the video?
One really has to be concerned with the willingness of yourself, et al, to run with everything that suits your narrative … regardless of how obviously contrived, fraudulent, pie-in-the-sky-bullshit, obvious hatefulness and or psychotic self-servitude it manifests.
While you may have convinced yourself that you correctly perceive reality, more likely, REALITY TV and the rants of those who loathe the same people and things as do you … is where your mind resides.
From "The Badass School of Debate" comes this …
"it will not be tolerated in this country any longer" …
… to which I respond with …
He most definitely is corrupt and unethical.
Says who? Seriously, who said that at the time that Mueller was put in charge of the investigation? Certainly not Republicans in Congress. Your bias couldn't be more naked - as soon as it is evident that Mueller won't kowtow to Republican style "ethics", he's corrupt.
I have seen and read your comments here and on other articles. Jus one question, in terms of you bias comment are you the pot ir the kettle?
Cooperation with the investigation after being caught in lying to the FBI it's time to ''save his ass.'' I would assume that there will much more to come in the near future. There are probably a lot of assholes that are puckering at the moment.
Absolutely agree with you. "make a deal"
I agree.....they likely didn't think anything would really come of it, or, that it would take years to play out and the whole thing would just fade away. I think the swiftness of the investigation and the sudden indictments and those it involved have had a very sobering affect on a good many people.
Just my own opinion.
A big orange one in particular!
Note to self: being first to reply to a tweet by Ted Lieu will usually result in Windows 10 freaking out because of the 10k likes you end up with.
There was a party and I wasn't invited? Awwww
I am not a retired investigator reporter, however, I am retired. I did my own investigation into a drug ring that was down the road from me......overheard my little soccer players talking about it. Went public through the newspaper, received threats, etc., but they were closed down.
Sometimes, the end has a new beginning!
For the record … a comment I posted one week ago today …
Investigations done thoroughly take time, and done properly, keep details well concealed.
I see lots of whistling past the grave yard from those who like to think the longer the Mueller investigation takes, the less likely it is uncovering.
The opposite it generally the case; it is a fool's paradise where the absence of the release of information implies to the wishful thinkers, the absence of its existence.
Skillful investigators will often let likely interviewees and targets feel the imminent heat to come as a tactical way to turn the screws.
Exactly. One of the best tactics is to eliminate and/or take out all the scapegoats first. That adds more pressure on the primary targets, and there is no one left to to take the fall or pass the buck off to. As that happens more things falls into place as well.
I think many forget that Watergate took two years.
Indeed. However, the improved technical advantages available today were not available back then which may have caused them to take longer to collect and process the information. I think a lot of people were surprised with the sudden indictments revealed on Monday, Oct 30, 2017. Many thought that it would take years to get to that point.
I can appreciate the non-partisan way you have presented this point my friend....
Could you do me the favor of at least mentioning that it is all speculative also?
What is speculative is any comment regarding the currently unknown information uncovered by the investigation as it applies only to outcomes ... no question about that!
While much can be inferred and implied from leaks, actual reports and stated opinions, my headline regarding the a party being almost over, is generic in one sense and admittedly, in another sense, an implied, metaphorical shoe store of shoes that may drop in coming days and months
Thank you for your valid point on speculation.
I really don't think so. Those on the left are using liberal logic, which very often doesn't have anything to do with reality. Their overactive imaginations are "speculating" that a vast right wing conspiracy was going on with Trump, Kushner, and Ivanka as the evil leaders and directors of the action. The LWNJ's see a collapsing house of Trump administration cards leading to impeachment and imprisonment, but I confidently predict only a few underlings will spend any time at all under lock and key.
At any rate, I also predict that the electorate will have grown weary of this wild goose chase to nowhere-ville by the loser party who can't seem to win elections and vote accordingly next November. We'll see, won't we??
On a scale of 1 - 10 how likely is it that a discussion has transpired between Trump and Manafort relating to a pardon in exchange for loyalty and silence? If a pardon for any player in this unfolding drama is granted the respective state govs need to bring their own against the player.
11
Muller was involved in the NFL's investigation of Ray Rice, that hurts any credibility he might have had as head of FBI
The report released by Mueller and his team runs 96 pages and here are five major takeaways:
1) This may seem like a whitewash to many, but Mueller and his investigators “found no evidence that anyone at the NFL had or saw the in-elevator video before it was publicly shown. We also found no evidence that a woman at the NFL acknowledged receipt of that video in a voicemail message on April 9, 2014. ” Investigators spoke with 200 people and combed through a mountain of forensic evidence that included nearly 2 million phone calls and Mueller addressed his independence in an appendix to the report:
2) A number of people wondered when the second video was released why the NFL needed to see it to determine adequate punishment for Rice in the summer. The report concludes “there was substantial information about the incident — even without the in-elevator video — indicating the need for a more thorough investigation. The NFL should have done more with the information it had, and should have taken additional steps to obtain all available information about the February 15 incident.”
3) The report is unlikely to be well received by advocacy groups that clamored for the firing of Goodell as the league’s domestic violence problem spiraled into a crisis in early September. Ultraviolet, which describes itself as “an online community of over 550,000 women and men who want to take collective action to expose and fight sexism in the public sector, private sector and the media,” reacted swiftly to the report’s contents.
“Mueller’s report doesn’t change the facts,” UltraViolet co-founder Nita Chaudhary wrote in an email to The Post, “Under Goodell’s tenure, more than 55 cases of domestic abuse went unanswered. The NFL has a domestic abuse problem, and it simply doesn’t have the leadership to fix it. It’s clear from this report that Goodell’s NFL took no initiative to uncover the facts in this case— a continuation of Goodell’s long record of ignoring this issue. It’s time to take domestic violence out of the NFL, but first Goodell must go.”
4) Goodell is extremely unlikely to go anywhere, but a great deal of damage remains to be repaired and he is the man who will be charged with doing it. His job was never really in danger and the men who pay his salary backed him yet again Thursday.
“Mr. Mueller concludes that the league should have conducted a more substantial independent investigation of this matter and he has made six recommendations,” Mara and Rooney said in a statement. “This morning, we spoke to Commissioner Goodell about these recommendations. We want to review them and understand them in greater detail. We look forward to moving forward on this.
“This matter has tarnished the reputation of the NFL due to our failure to hand out proper punishments. It has been a wake-up call to all involved and we expect the changes that have been made will lead to improvements in how any similar issues are handled in the future.
“It is clear to us that Commissioner Goodell was forthright in the statements he made to the owners about this matter and we have every confidence that Roger Goodell is the right person to lead the league as we move forward.”
5) So, if it seems like nothing changes, that’s because … nothing changes.
The NFL, as Goodell has repeatedly acknowledged both personally and as the man in charge, should have done better in handling the Rice incident. Goodell and the league blasely underestimated the message that was sent to women when Goodell initially suspended Rice only two games and when Goodell so hamhandedly handled a press conference last fall. But bad public relations isn’t against the law and the Mueller report, sanctioned by the league, found no legal malfeasance.
As Mara and Rooney hope, the league moves forward, as it began to do in December when, a month ahead of the report’s release, Goodell announced the creation of a nine-owner panel to oversee a player conduct policy designed to prevent domestic violence issues in the future and to punish players consistently when incidents occur.
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This was a completely unrelated investigation, and, as virtually all investigations go, advocates for plaintiffs and defendants will have disparate feelings regarding outcomes.
Rather than allowing your apparent hope for an "innocent" Trump prevail before all the facts are in the open, you prefer to conflate unrelated situations and to denigrate the investigator.
In the legal world, that implies a "consciousness of guilt."
Be careful with implication my friend, I have found that the assumptions inherent in such are a double edged sword that always swings both ways.....
Mueller is good with me as an investigator, he's earned his chops, and as some have alluded to, there are copious numbers of people inside the beltway who are involuntarily "Puckering" in unmentionable places given the fact he has special prosecutor powers.
People from both sides of the aisle. But, they tend to do that when the special prosecutor is loose amongst them......
Never fails to get the fear adrenaline pumping in WA DC..
Goodell pays for reports to say what he wants
Be careful with implication my friend, I have found that the assumptions inherent in such are a double edged sword that always swings both ways.....
Let me state it as follows …
32+ years of having a sense regarding when I likely had someone's ass in a paper trail in my briefcase … or, when I was just at the table to assure due process … on this one, I have no assumptions …
… but I believe I am beginning to see what is perhaps the first, faint letters of some handwriting on the wall, which for an unfortunate group of boys and girls, may spell something like … "Aren't you sorry you involved yourself in the POTUS election of 2016?"
We'll see.
As you may recall, I both predicted and bet on an outcome some months ago; Ya' pays your money and ya' takes your chance.
I am not like a Hillary supporter so I am not going to say talk to me after there is a conviction. I will however say talk to me when you have some proof.
YEAH!
Right as rain my friend.
And just note one thing, for those who disagree, Proof will never say "I Believe"
Speaking of "speculation" … possible scenario …
Sooner or later, Trump will throw his son-in-law, Jared Kushner … to the wolves (along with everyone other than Trump himself), and, make Kushner a scapegoat …
… after which, Kushner's wife, Ivanka, TRUMP'S DAUGHTER, will out her father in a rage for potentially sending her husband, Jared, … TO PRISON!
Enjoy my speculation … or … whistle past the graveyard … reader's choice.
And then …
The PARTY (pun both intended and not) will be over.