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This isn't going to go over too well........in SOOOO many ways and venues.

  

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Via:  just-jim-nc-ttth  •  9 years ago  •  14 comments

This isn't going to go over too well........in SOOOO many ways and venues.

FORT BRAGG, N.C., Nov 3 (Reuters) - U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl on Friday was spared prison time for endangering fellow troops when he deserted his post in Afghanistan in 2009, but a military judge ordered he should be dishonorably discharged from the service.
Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban and spent five years under brutal captivity by the insurgent group. He had faced up to life in prison after pleading guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.
Prosecutors had asked Army Colonel Jeffery Nance to send Bergdahl to prison for 14 years for the hardships and injuries endured by service members who searched for the soldier after he left his combat outpost in Paktika province in June 2009 without permission.

Defense lawyers had said the 31-year-old Idaho native, who experts testified has several mental health conditions, should be spared confinement.
Bergdahl's case made him a polarizing figure. He drew withering criticism from political leaders in Washington and fellow soldiers, both for the dangerous efforts to find him and the 2014 Taliban prisoner swap brokered by the Democratic Obama administration that secured his release.
During his successful campaign for the presidency last year, Republican Donald Trump called Bergdahl "a no-good traitor who should have been executed."
Nance, acting on a defense motion, ruled that Trump's comments had not influenced him nor affected Bergdahl's chances of a fair sentence, but said he would consider them a mitigating factor.
Defense attorneys argued at Bergdahl's sentencing hearing at Fort Bragg in North Carolina that he was a young, hardworking soldier who did not understand the full consequences of his actions when he deserted.
Bergdahl, who has said he wanted to report problems in his unit, apologized in court this week for the suffering he caused his comrades and admitted he had made "a horrible mistake."
Prosecutors, however, said Bergdahl knew his disappearance would trigger alarm in the war zone.
Prosecutors acknowledged that Bergdahl suffered during his years as a prisoner of the Taliban, but argued that did not diminish the pain of fellow service members who were injured during the futile hunt for him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-armys-bergdahl-spared-prison-time-for-deserting/ar-AAuoyp6?li=BBnb7Kz

Annnnnnnnd............discuss seems Mr. Trump's comments didn't hurt this trial.................


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arkpdx
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1  arkpdx    9 years ago

I think the judge needs to be investigated for dereliction of duty!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2  Sunshine    9 years ago

My heart goes out to the six heroes who tried to find this gutless traitor - those soldiers were: Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, Private 1st Class Morris Walker, 2nd Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, Private 1st Class Matthew Martinek, Your sacrifice, although dishonored by this putrid judge, shall NEVER BE FORGOTTEN! RIP!

 
 
 
nightwalker
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2.1  nightwalker  replied to  Sunshine @2    9 years ago

If you want to look at it like that, as a total waste of lives..

I choose to think that those 6 men died doing one of the most honorable actions they can do, going in harms way to retrieve a fellow soldier or their body or the soldier in any condition in between. YOU DON"T LEAVE ONE OF YOUR OWN BEHIND! Ever if they had known he was a 4-alarm F^@& up, he's the U.S.s 4-alarm f^@& up to deal with.

  If you don't understand why they'd do that or why I consider it a honorable act, I can't explain it to you.

 
 
 
nightwalker
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2.1.1  nightwalker  replied to  nightwalker @2.1    9 years ago

(sigh) I gotta stop trusting this wreck. EVEN not ever.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3  Skrekk    9 years ago

Thanks to Trump's utter incompetence, justice and sanity prevailed in the Bergdahl case.    He's far better suited to be a feral cat whisperer.

The doctor said the mental health conditions are likely to blame for Bergdahl’s washing out of Coast Guard basic training following anxiety attacks in 2006, two years before he enlisted in the Army.

Morgan told Nance that Bergdahl has displayed a history of faulty decisions consistent with individuals who suffer from his diagnosed illnesses. Bergdahl once traveled to France in an attempt to join the French Foreign Legion without realizing people there speak French, he said.

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Bergdahl has shown an interest in working with animals, especially feral cats. A woman who owns an animal rescue shelter has offered the soldier a job at her non-profit organization caring for the feral cat population that has been relocated to a sanctuary that she runs in San Antonio, where Bergdahl has been stationed since his return to the United States.

The woman, who testified by phone Wednesday but was not identified by name, said Bergdahl possess an unusual empathy for the animals and appears to have a natural rapport with them. She called Bergdahl “the cat whisperer.”

“Animals that are usually scared and avoid people were coming up and surrounding him,” the woman said. “I don’t usually see that.”

Morgan testified Bergdahl could learn to better interact with other humans through his work with animals, an option the doctor said would be more beneficial than a prison sentence.

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The reality is that given his mental health issues Bergdahl never should have been inducted in the military.    That he was is just another indication of how Bush's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq caused standards to slip.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Skrekk @3    9 years ago
Thanks to Trump's utter incompetence, justice and sanity prevailed in the Bergdahl case.

Please explain just what the hell that is supposed to mean.............Thanks

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    9 years ago

You must be unaware of the utterly reckless comments which Trump has made as a candidate and as president about various legal cases including Bergdahl and the NYC truck terrorist.    Especially in a court martial those comments by the CinC fouled the prosecution's case, but they've also pretty much guaranteed that the truck terrorist won't get the death penalty.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Skrekk @3.1.1    9 years ago
Especially in a court martial those comments by the CinC fouled the prosecution's case, but they've also pretty much guaranteed that the truck terrorist won't get the death penalty.

How do you figure this? You think the judge went pussy because of something Mr. Trump said? Are you saying the judges are so incompetent they care what POTUS says? In the case of the truck killer, there will more than likely be a jury and as I said in another post..................concerning the truck driver

".....are failing to take into account is the plain and simple fact that the guy has made a full confession, is glad for what he did, and pissed because he T-boned a bus and couldn't keep going on to the Brooklyn Bridge and continue with even more carnage. I don't give a flying fuck whether Mr. Trump had an opinion or not. The bastard is guilty and proud of it. Even wants an ISIS flag in his hospital room. And as a side note, show me one damned person in the US who hasn't heard of this tragedy and doesn't know it was him with the publicity surrounding it...............unless you want a jury of all Amish (nothing against Amish I grew up with some going to the same school I did. They just don't do electronics.......not sure if they read newspapers or not). Using your "criteria" and that of the court system, maybe we should just let the guy go cuz finding anyone who doesn't have some knowledge of this will be like finding THE perfect grain of sand on a California beach.

It was cut and dried premeditated murder. That usually indicates First Degree Murder........................So again, you are saying the judge is going to show leniency?

Help a fella out. I cannot get my arms around your points here. Need more "in depth psychological evaluation" of what could possibly be going through your head...........well except for your propensity to dissing everything Mr. Trump........

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    9 years ago
How do you figure this? You think the judge went pussy because of something Mr. Trump said? Are you saying the judges are so incompetent they care what POTUS says?

Actually the judge noted that Trump's idiotic comments were a factor.   They amount to unlawful command interference and it shows yet again how utterly unfit for office Trump is.    Here's some other coverage on the issue:

A military judge called President Trump’s campaign comments about Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “disturbing” Monday and questioned whether they could give the military justice system a “black eye.”

The comments came during a pre-trial hearing in Fort Bragg, N.C., where Bergdahl’s lawyers are arguing that the case against their client should be tossed out because Trump's repeated descriptions of Bergdahl as a “traitor” who should be executed compromise his right to a fair trial.

After Bergdahl’s defense team played about 5 minutes of a video showing Trump disparaging Bergdahl on the campaign trail, Army Col. Jeffery Nance, the judge, called the footage “disturbing material,” according to The Associated Press.  [..]

But Nance posed the question of whether Trump's remarks would affect the public’s confidence in the military justice system.

"How does that relate to overcoming the black eye to the military justice system ... the view the public might have?” he asked, according to the AP.

Nance took note of clip in the video of Trump promising to review the case if Bergdahl gets a light sentence.

"You're not at all concerned about the statement he made, 'If I get in we will review his case' ... after ranting and raving about no jail time?” the judge asked prosecutors.

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It was cut and dried premeditated murder. That usually indicates First Degree Murder........................So again, you are saying the judge is going to show leniency?

No, I'm saying that it will be difficult if not impossible for prosecutors to now seek the death penalty in the truck terrorism case.    It will also be much harder to seat a jury.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.4  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Skrekk @3.1.3    9 years ago
No, I'm saying that it will be difficult if not impossible for prosecutors to now seek the death penalty in the truck terrorism case.

That is just what a damned terrorist wants anyway. The WORST that could happen to him, as a perceived martyr, is the opportunity to live. They still can seek it but if this ass is a true follower, he won't take the option and will "pray to Allah" to be executed.......to further his "fame" in the cause. Unless the lawyers are trying to make a name for themselves, they'll let him.

It will also be much harder to seat a jury.

If for one minute you think that they will be able to find anyone who hasn't heard something, anything about the truck carnage, you are sadly mistaken. You may get some that say "oh is that why I'm here" bullshit to sit on that jury and fry his ass but I sincerely doubt there is 12 virgins as far as this story is concerned.

Sorry folks but the stretching to push the anti Trump rhetoric is getting old. Any other time you wouldn't give a damn about what someone said (the police acted stupidly) but in your never ending denial, in your never ending butt hurt, the only thing that matters is that Mr. Trump had an opinion. I know, precedence shows it MAY have an affect on outcome but all of the examples I have seen today are comparing apples to spare tires.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.4    9 years ago
Sorry folks but the stretching to push the anti Trump rhetoric is getting old.

Sorry but these are just facts - a president's remarks about a case can prejudice the outcome of a trial.....which is why a sane and ethical president would keep his trap shut.

 
 
 
PJ
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4  PJ    9 years ago

I'm not sure that I agree with this verdict but I'm not privy to information that those involved were.  I imagine that the recommendations from General Dahl who led the investigation into Bergdahl's actions and who testified that jail time would be inappropriate may have had a lot of weight in the decision.

Hopefully we'll learn more on why this judgement was handed down.  I'm just sad for the other soldiers forced to be placed at risk.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     9 years ago

Idaho native, who experts testified has several mental health conditions

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DUuuu No ya dont say.

Just because a soldier gets up in the middle of the night and goes singlehandedly to look for the enemy he's got mental health issues ?

Maybe he just wanted to say  "HI. Lets talk."

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1  Skrekk  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5    9 years ago

It's even dumber than that.....he left his base to walk to a larger US base in order to file a complaint.   He was abducted on the way.    So it wasn't even desertion much less treason, it was just pure stupidity fueled by delusional mental illness.     Who could imagine that there might be hostile Taliban in the wilds of Afghanistan?

Sergeant Bergdahl was 23 and a private first class when he left his base in eastern Afghanistan in June 2009. Army investigators would later characterize his departure as a delusional effort to hike to a larger base and cause enough of a stir that he would get an audience with a senior officer to report what he felt were problems in his unit.

But the soldier, who is now 31, was captured by the Taliban within hours and spent five years as a prisoner, his treatment worsening after every attempt to escape. He was beaten with copper cables and held in isolation in a metal cage less than seven feet square. He suffered dysentery for most of his captivity, and cleaned feces off his hands with his own urine so that he could eat enough bread to survive.

 
 

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