1st CLEAN COPY: Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s

This is a second seeding, because the first was trashed. That copy is still visible , for all who want to observe the technique used to destroy a seed.

This seed is a calmly rational piece. Carefully documented . It seems to me that those who trashed the first copy are tacitly admitting that they have no counter-argument to "Trump lies sixty times more than Obama did".

Americans need to pay more attention to what politicians DO and less to what they say.  While Trump hasn't done much of anything legislatively, he has nominated a racist to head the DOJ and an oilman to head the EPA.

Americans need to pay more attention to what politicians DO and less to what they say.

Perhaps... but the topic of this seed is what two Presidents said while in office. Please stay on topic. Thank you.

The 1000 jobs are in Washington only now they are better, union jobs.  The NLRB, not Obama, ordered the plant shut down not the firings.

Sorry Bob, I am not posting the same things all over again. 

I don't want "the same things". I'd like to have a conversation about the seed.

For example... we constantly hear "both sides do it". Does the seed prove or disprove that idea?

The data is clear. Trump has thus far lied sixty times more often than Obama did. The seed proves it. There's no point in arguing about this fact, any more than about gravity.

But what are the implications of this fact?

The seed proves it. There's no point in arguing about this fact

Poor Bob, he thinks just compulsively repeating his foundationless opinions somehow renders them immune to exposure. Left wing politifact has already destroyed the premise behind the seed, which undercounts Obama's lies by at least 400%:  

This is a nice graphic but if you expect people to believe Obama told a mere 18 lies over the course of his two terms, you could also say little green men live on Mars and it would be just as accurate.

Politifact lists 20 one ONE page (there’s 4 pages):   politifact ..

Ultimately, it’s things like the Times publishing such egregious, eye-roll inducing editorializing as fact, that has led to conservatives and others on the Right, or simply honest critics on any side, to distrust what the media and America’s longstanding “newspaper of record.”

https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2017/12/14/conservatives-distrust-media-new-york-times-counts-obama’s-lies/

I'll just start with the FIRST 100 Trump Lies … (His Jess Willard Base needs a bit of "in your face")

* NOTE TO BOB -- If you prefer, I will remove these and post them in an article of my own.

• White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “ largest audience to ever witness an inauguration .” (Jan. 21)

• Trump falsely claimed that the crowd for his swearing-in  stretched down the National Mall  to the Washington Monument and totaled more than 1 million people. (Jan. 21)

• As Trump fondly recalled his Inauguration Day, he said it stopped raining “ immediately ” when he began his speech. A light rain  continued to fall  throughout the address. (Jan. 21)

• During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump claimed the media  made up his feud  with the agency. In fact, he  started it  by comparing the intelligence community to “Nazi Germany.” (Jan. 21)

• During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump repeated the claim that he “ didn’t want to go into Iraq .” He told Howard Stern in 2002 that he supported the Iraq War. (Jan. 21)

• During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump  said  he had the “all-time record in the history of Time Magazine. … I’ve been on it for 15 times this year.” Trump had been featured on the magazine a total of  11 times . (Jan. 21)

• Trump  claimed  that his inauguration drew 11 million more viewers than Barack Obama’s in 2013. It  didn’t , and viewership for Obama’s first inauguration, in 2009, was even higher. (Jan. 22) 

• Spicer said during his first press briefing that there has been a “dramatic expansion of the federal workforce in recent years.” This is  false . (Jan. 23)

• While pushing back against the notion of a rift between the CIA and Trump, Spicer claimed the president had received a “five-minute standing ovation” at the agency’s headquarters.  He did not . The attendees were also  never asked to sit down . (Jan. 23)

• Spicer claimed that “tens of millions of people” watched the inauguration online. In fact, about  4.6 million  did. (Jan. 23)

• Trump told CBN News that 84 percent Cuban-Americans voted for him. It’s not clear where Trump got that number. According to the  Pew Research Center , 54 percent of Cuban-Americans in Florida voted for him. (Jan. 23)

• While meeting with congressional leaders, Trump  repeated a debunked claim  that he only lost the national popular vote because of widespread voter fraud. (Jan. 24)

• In remarks with business leaders at the White House, Trump said, “I’m a very big person when it comes to the environment. I have received awards on the environment.” There is  no evidence  that Trump has received such awards. (Jan. 24)

• In signing an executive memo ordering the construction of the Keystone pipeline, Trump said the project would create 28,000 construction jobs. According to The Washington Post Fact Checker, the pipeline would create an  estimated 16,000 jobs , most of which are not construction jobs. (Jan. 25)

• Spicer said in a press briefing that Trump received more electoral votes than any Republican since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush  won 426 electoral votes in 1988 , more than Trump’s 304. (Jan. 24)

• In remarks he gave at the Homeland Security Department, Trump said Immigration and Customs Enforcement and border patrol agents “unanimously endorsed me for president.” That’s  not true . (Jan. 25)

• Spicer said during a press briefing that a draft executive order on CIA prisons was not a “White House document.” Citing three administration officials, The New York Times  reported  that the White House had circulated the draft order among national security staff members. (Jan. 25)

• In an interview with  ABC , Trump again claimed he “had the biggest audience  in the history of inaugural speeches .”  False . (Jan. 25)

• Trump claimed during an interview with ABC that the applause he received at CIA headquarters “was  the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl .” It  wasn’t even a standing ovation . (Jan. 25)
  

• In an interview with ABC, Trump  attacked the Affordable Care Act and said there are “millions of people that now aren’t insured anymore.” Twenty million people have gained health coverage because of the law so far. The estimated 2 million people who did not qualify under the law  received waivers that kept the plans going until the end of 2017 . (Jan. 25)

• At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump claimed he and the president of Mexico “agreed” to cancel their scheduled meeting. Enrique Peña Nieto said  he had decided to cancel  it. (Jan. 26)

• At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump said the national homicide rate was “horribly increasing.” It is down  significantly . (Jan. 26)

• On Twitter, Trump  repeated his false claim  that 3 million votes were illegal during the election. (Jan. 27)
  

• In an interview on “Good Morning America,” Trump counselor  Kellyanne Conway  said Tiffany Trump, the president’s daughter, had told her she was “not registered to vote in two states.” A local election official confirmed to NBC News  twice  that the younger Trump indeed was. (Jan. 27)

• Trump said he  predicted the so-called “Brexit” when he was in Scotland the day before the vote . He was actually there  the day after the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. (Jan. 27)

• Trump  claimed  The New York Times lost subscribers “because their readers even like me.” The Times experienced  a sharp uptick  in subscribers after Election Day. (Jan. 27)

• Trump  claimed  two people were fatally shot in Chicago during Obama’s last speech as president.  That didn’t happen . (Jan. 27)

• Trump  claimed  that under previous administrations, “if you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible.”  In fact , almost as many Christian refugees were admitted to the U.S. as Muslim refugees in fiscal year 2016. (Jan. 27)

• Trump  defended  the swiftness of his immigration order on the grounds that terrorists would have rushed into the country if he had given the world a week’s notice. Even if terrorists wanted to infiltrate the refugee program or the visa program, they would have had to wait  months or even years while being vetted to get into the country . (Jan. 30)

• The White House maintained that Trump’s immigration order did not apply to green card holders and that was “ the guidance from the beginning .” Initially, the White House  said  the order did include green card holders. (Jan. 30)

• Trump said his immigration order was “similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” Obama’s policy  slowed  resettlement of refugees from Iraq, but did not keep them from entering the country. Moreover, it flagged the seven countries included in Trump’s order as places the U.S.  considered dangerous to visit . (Jan. 30)

• Spicer said that “by and large,” Trump has been “praised” for his statement commemorating the Holocaust. Every major Jewish organization, including the  Republican Jewish Coalition , criticized it for omitting any specific references to the Jewish people or anti-Semitism. (Jan. 30)

• A Trump administration official called the implementation of Trump’s travel ban a “ massive success story .”  Not true  ― young children, elderly people and U.S. green card holders were detained for hours. Some were deported upon landing in the U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) even criticized the rollout as “confusing.” (Jan. 30)

• Spicer equated White House adviser Steve Bannon’s appointment to the National Security Council Principals Committee with Obama adviser David Axelrod attending meetings pertaining to foreign policy. Axelrod, however,  never sat  on the Principals Committee. (Jan. 30)

• Spicer said people would have “ flooded ” into the country with advance notice of Trump’s immigration order.  Not true . (Jan. 30)

• Spicer insisted that only 109 travelers were detained because of Trump’s immigration order. More than  1,000 legal permanent residents  had to get waivers before entering the U.S. An  estimated 90,000  people in total were affected by the ban. (Jan. 30)

• Trump tweeted the false claim that “only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” (Jan. 30)

• Trump took credit for cutting $600 million from the F-35 program. But Lockheed Martin  already had planned for the cost reductions  for the next generation fighter plane. (Jan. 31)

• Trump accused China of manipulating its currency by playing “the money market. They play the devaluation market, and we sit there like a bunch of dummies.” According to The  Washington Post , the United States is no longer being hurt by China’s currency manipulation, and China is no longer devaluing its currency. (Jan. 31)

• In defending the GOP’s blockade of Merrick Garland, Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court, Spicer said no president had ever nominated a justice “so late” in his term. It previously happened  three times . (Jan. 31)

• Spicer repeatedly insisted during a press conference that Trump’s executive order on immigration was “not a ban.” During a Q&A event the night before, however,  Spicer himself  referred to the order as a “ban.” So did  the president . (Jan. 31)

• White House officials  denied  reports that Trump told Peña Nieto that U.S. forces would handle the “bad hombres down there” if the Mexican authorities don’t. It confirmed the conversation the next day, maintaining the remark was meant to be “ lighthearted .” (Jan. 31)

• Trump claimed that  Delta , protesters and the tears of  Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.)  were to blame for the problems over his travel ban. In fact, his administration was widely considered to blame for problems associated with its rollout. (Jan. 31)

• Trump  said  the Obama administration “agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia.” The deal actually involved 1,250 refugees. (Feb. 1)

• Trump said the U.S. “has the most generous immigration system in the world.”  Not really . (Feb. 2)

• Trump said the U.S. was giving Iran $150 billion for “ nothing ” under the Iranian nuclear deal. The money was  already Iran’s to begin with , and the deal blocks Iran from building a nuclear bomb. (Feb. 2)

• Spicer called a U.S. raid in Yemen “very, very well thought out and executed effort” and described it as a “successful operation by all standards.” U.S. military officials told  Reuters  the operation was approved “without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.” (Feb. 2)

• Spicer  said  that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel, as part of his argument defending the administration’s bellicose announcement that Iran is “on notice.” In fact, a suspected Houthi rebel ship  attacked a Saudi vessel . (Feb. 2)

• In his meeting with union leaders at the White House, Trump  claimed he won union households. He actually only won  white union households . (Feb. 2)

• Conway  cited  the “Bowling Green massacre” to defend Trump’s travel ban. It  never happened . (Feb. 3)

• Conway said citing the nonexistent “Bowling Green massacre” to defend Trump’s immigration order was an accidental “slip.” But she had mentioned it  twice  prior to that interview. (Feb. 3)

• Trump approvingly shared a story on his official Facebook page which claimed that Kuwait issued a visa ban for five Muslim-majority countries. Kuwait issued a statement  categorically denying it . (Feb. 3)

• Trump claimed people are “ pouring in ” after his immigration order was temporarily suspended. Travelers and refugees cannot simply rush into the U.S.  without extensive and lengthy vetting . (Feb. 5)

• After a judge halted his immigration ban, Trump claimed that “anyone, even with bad intentions, can now come into the U.S.”  Not true . (Feb. 5)

• Spicer  said  nationwide protests of Trump are not like protests the tea party held, and called them “a very paid AstroTurf-type movement.” Although Democrats have capitalized on the backlash against Trump by organizing, the massive rallies across dozens of cities across the country ―  which in some cases have been spontaneous ― suggests they are part of an organic phenomenon. (Feb. 6)

• During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump  repeated  his debunked claim of widespread voter fraud during the presidential election. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Republican and Democratic state officials have said so, as have  Trump’s own campaign attorneys . (Feb. 6)

• During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump repeated his  false claim  that he has “been against the war in Iraq from the beginning.” (Feb. 6)

• Conway  said  she would not appear on CNN’s “State of the Union” because of “family” reasons. CNN, however, said the White House offered Conway as an alternative to Vice President Mike Pence and that the network had “ passed ” because of concerns about her “credibility.” (Feb. 6)

• Spicer claimed CNN “retracted” its explanation of why it declined to take Conway for a Sunday show appearance. CNN  said  it never did so. (Feb. 6)

• Trump cited attacks in Boston, Paris, Orlando, Florida, and Nice, France, as examples of terrorism the media has not covered adequately. “In many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it,” he said at CENTCOM. Those attacks garnered wall-to-wall television coverage, as well as thousands of news articles in print and online. (Feb. 6)

• The White House released a more expansive  list  of terrorist attacks it believed “did not receive adequate attention from Western media sources.” Again, the list includes attacks that were widely covered by the media. (Feb. 6)

• Trump said sanctuary cities “breed crime.”  FBI data  indicates that crime in sanctuary cities is generally lower than in nonsanctuary cities. (Feb. 6)

• Trump  claimed  The New York Times was “forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” The paper has not issued such an apology. (Feb. 6)

• Trump claimed the murder rate is the highest it’s been in 47 years. The murder rate rose 10.8 percent across the United States in 2015, but it’s  far lower than it was 30 to 40  years ago. (Feb. 7)

• Spicer  explained  that the delay in repealing Obamacare was a result of the White House wanting to work with Congress. Unlike during the Obama administration, he asserted, the legislature ― not the White House ― was taking the lead on health care. Various congressional committees worked on drafting multiple versions of the bill that would become the Affordable Care Act ― a lengthy process that took over a year. (Feb. 7)

• Trump  accused  Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) of misrepresenting “what Judge Neil Gorsuch told him” in response to the president’s attacks against the judiciary. Gorsuch called Trump’s tweets attacking federal judges “demoralizing.” A spokesman for Gorsuch  confirmed  the judge’s remarks. (Feb. 9)

• Trump has repeatedly said he doesn’t watch CNN. But he had to in order  to see and offer and opinion on  the network’s interview with Blumenthal. (Feb. 9)

• Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has said that phone calls he made to Russia prior to Trump’s inauguration were not related to sanctions. According to a  Washington Post  report, however, Flynn held private discussions with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, before Trump took office, suggesting that sanctions against Moscow would be eased by the incoming administration. (Feb. 9)

• Trump took credit for Ford’s decision not to open an auto factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant. The company said Trump was  not responsible for its decision . (Feb. 9)

• Trump  told  a room full of politicians that “thousands” of “illegal” voters had been driven into New Hampshire to cast ballots. There is no evidence of such a claim. (Feb. 11)

• During an interview with ABC’s “This Week,” White House senior policy aide Stephen Miller falsely said the “issue of busing voters into New Hampshire is widely known by anyone who’s worked in New Hampshire politics.” Again,  not true . (Feb. 11)

• Miller cited the “astonishing” statistic that 14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote. The study the stat is based on has been  highly contested . (Feb. 11)

• Trump  said  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was “cut off” on CNN for “using the term fake news the describe the network.” The senator was joking and he  was not cut off . (Feb. 12)

• Trump  accused  the media of refusing to report on “big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road” in Florida. There were a few supporters, but they were  vastly outnumbered  by hundreds of protesters. (Feb. 12)

• White House officials  told  reporters that Flynn decided on his own to resign. However, Spicer said during a press briefing that the president asked Flynn to resign. (Feb. 13)

• Trump  denied  in a January interview that he or anyone on his campaign had any contact with Russia prior to the election. However,  The New York Times  and CNN both reported that Trump campaign officials and associates “had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials” before Nov. 8. (Feb. 15)

• Spicer  denied  in a daily briefing that anyone on the Trump campaign had had any contact with Russian officials. (Feb. 15)

• Trump complained he “ inherited a mess ” upon being elected to office. The stock market is experiencing record highs, the economy is stable and growing, and unemployment is low. (Feb. 16)

• Trump disputed the notion that his administration is experiencing turmoil, telling reporters it is working like a “fine-tuned machine.” His poorly executed travel ban has been suspended by the courts, a Cabinet nominee was forced to withdraw his nomination, and Trump’s national security adviser resigned after less than four weeks on the job. (Feb. 16)

• Trump  said  his 306 Electoral College votes was the biggest electoral votes victory since Ronald Reagan. He actually  received 304 electoral votes . Moreover, Obama got 332 votes in 2012. (Feb. 16)

• Trump said his first weeks in office “represented an unprecedented month of action.” Obama accomplished  much more during his first weeks in office . (Feb. 16)

• Defending himself from charges of hypocrisy on the matter of leaks ― which he frequently celebrated when they pertained to his campaign opposition but now denounces ― Trump said that WikiLeaks does not publicize “classified information.” It does, often anonymously. (Feb. 16)

• Trump repeated his claim that Hillary Clinton gave 20 percent of American uranium to the Russians in a deal during her tenure as secretary of state.  Not true . (Feb. 16)

• Trump said drugs are “becoming cheaper than a candy bar.”  They are not . (Feb. 16)

• Trump said his administration had a “very smooth rollout of the travel ban.” His immigration caused chaos at the nation’s airports and has been suspended by the courts. (Feb. 16)

• Trump said the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is in “chaos” and “turmoil.” It is not. (Feb. 16)

• Flynn  lied to FBI investigators  in a Jan. 24 interview about whether he discussed sanctions with Russian officials prior to Trump’s inauguration, according to The Washington Post. (Feb. 16)

• Trump falsely suggested at a Florida rally that  Sweden had suffered a terror attack  the night before his speech. It had not, and Trump was likely referring to a Fox News segment on crime in Sweden. (Feb. 18)

• During his Florida rally, Trump repeated his false claim that the United States has already let in thousands of people who “ there was no way to vet .” Refugees undergo the most rigorous vetting process of any immigrants admitted to the United States, often waiting upwards of two years to be cleared for entry. (Feb. 18)

• White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview that Trump “has accomplished more in the first 30 days than people can remember.” Obama accomplished  much more during his first weeks in office . (Feb. 19)

• Trump  said  during his campaign that he would only play golf with heads of state and business leaders, not friends and celebrities like Obama did. Trump has golfed with world leaders like Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.  Most recently , however, he hit the links with golf pro Rory McIlroy, International Sports Management’s Nick Mullen and his friend Rich Levine. (Feb. 19)

• A White House spokesperson told reporters that Trump only played a “couple” of holes at his golf resort in Florida. A day later, as  reports  came out saying the president had played 18 holes with Mcllroy, the White House admitted he played “longer.” (Feb. 19)

• Trump said the media is “trying to say large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!” Sweden’s crime rate has fallen in recent years, and experts there do not think its immigration policies are linked to crime. (Feb. 20)

• Spicer said Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) asked for a meeting with Trump at the White House. John Weaver, a former campaign aide of the governor,  said  the president asked for the meeting. (Feb. 21)

• Vice President Mike Pence called Obamacare a “ job killer .” Overall, job growth has been steady since it was signed into law. And the number of unwilling part-time jobs has also gone down, contrary to GOP claims. (Feb. 22)

• Trump claimed that he negotiated $1 billion in savings to develop two new Boeing Co. jets to serve as the next Air Force One. The Air Force  can’t account for that number . (Feb. 22)

• During a meeting with the nation’s CEOs at the White House, Trump claimed his new economic adviser Gary Cohn “ paid $200 million in tax ” to take a job at the White House. Cohn didn’t have to pay taxes, he had to sell more than $200 million of Goldman Sachs stock. (Feb. 23)

• Trump claimed there were “six blocks” worth of people waiting to get into the Conservative Political Action Conference to see him. People filled only   three overflow rooms . (Feb. 24)

• At CPAC, Trump said that Obamacare covers “ very few people .” Nearly 20 million people have gotten health insurance under the law. (Feb. 24)

• At CPAC, Trump said companies like Intel were making business investments in the United States because of his election.  The company planned  their new investments before the election. (Feb. 24)

Holy....cow!

I'd like to have a conversation about the seed.

No. You want to CONTROL the conversation. 

Poor Bob, he thinks just compulsively repeating his foundationless opinions somehow renders them immune to exposure. Left wing politifact has already destroyed the premise behind the seed, which undercounts Obama's lies by at least 400%:  

Poor Sean thinks that just compulsively repeating his foundationless refutations somehow renders them immune to exposure. Sean only wants us to look at the numbers for Obama. But it's only right that we compare apples to apples and compare politifacts data for both Obama AND Trump. 

So just as I did in the prior seed, here are the numbers. 

Politifact lists 20 one ONE page (there’s 4 pages): 

So you want to use the list on Politifact? 
Obama: 
Mostly false-70
false-71
pants on fire-9
Trump:
Mostly false-101
false-157
pants on fire-73
Trumps false are over 2X and his pants on fire are over 7X Obama's. The hits will just keep on coming every day. 

Thanks for providing further data that Trump lies MUCH more than Obama did. Oh and BTFW, Trump is a compulsive liar, he lied AGAIN today and the day isn't over yet and the day to day count will grow. Trump can't help himself. 

As the seeder, it is my understanding that he CAN control the conversation. 

Thank-you, Dulay

No.  You are trying to stifle any opinion that isn't in lock step with your own.  

Sean only wants us to look at the numbers for Obama. 

Well, yeah, when it takes about two seconds to show a 400% variance between fact checkers on Obama, it should be enough to clue you in how silly this whole exercise is. 

Apparently  not. 

Most people with a basic understanding of how  these "objective" fact checkers work understand that it's a opinion editorializing dressed up as objective reporting. The fact checkers pick and choose which statements they want to review and render a subjective opinion about "the truth" of a statement. Politifact hasn't looked at every statement Obama made as President, so the idea that it represents a comprehensive compilation of misstatements is just silly. It's a compilation of subjectively chosen statements subjectively judged. There's nothing "objective" about any of this, and if you base your argument off the opinions of subjective fact checkers, you are just revealing your ignorance of basic statistics and what "fact checkers" actually do. 

Well, yeah, when it takes about two seconds to show a 400% variance between fact checkers on Obama, it should be enough to clue you in how silly this whole exercise is.

Perhaps your rush is what caused your unfounded posit. 

You are comparing apples and artichokes.

Politifact's 'LIE' metrics are as follows:

FALSE – The statement is not accurate.
PANTS ON FIRE – The statement is not accurate and makes a ridiculous claim.

In fact, if you read the explanations of the ratings, you'll see that much of what they label as 'FALSE' are actually 'misleading' or 'inaccurate' and would NOT be counted in the seeded data. 

Those are NOT the metrics used for the data in the seed which are as follows:

We applied the same conservative standard to Obama and Trump, counting only demonstrably and substantially false statements. The result: Trump is unlike any other modern president. He seems virtually indifferent to reality, often saying whatever helps him make the case he’s trying to make.

If we had used a less strict standard, Trump would look even worse by comparison. He makes misleading statements and mild exaggerations – about economic statistics, his political opponents and many other subjects – far more often than Obama. We left out any statement that could be plausibly defended even if many people would disagree with the president's interpretation. We also left out modest quantitative errors, such as Trump's frequent imprecision with numbers.

So the seed data DOES NOT include anything that isn't demonstrably a LIE. 

But let's just count everything Politifact cites in your link. 

So comparing APPLES to APPLES, the seed says: Obama - 18 demonstrable LIES

Your link says: Obama - 51 total LIES [false + pants on fire]

The reason that it's only 51 is that although you stated:

Politifact lists 20 one ONE page (there’s 4 pages): 

Once on page three you should note that only 4 of the statements were made while Obama was POTUS, so the rest don't count in comparison to the seeded data. According to your resource, of 71 false, 44 were during Obama's Presidency. Subtract 2 from the pants on fire too. 44 + 7 = 51. 

Now I'm no mathematician but that sure doesn't look like a fucking 400% variance. 

You are trying to stifle any opinion that isn't in lock step with your own.

I AM? How so? Please be specific. 

How about:

1     Bob Nelson      8 hours ago

Sounds like a child throwing a tantrum because he didn't get his way.

This is not the first time you've reseeded something because the conversation didn't go the way you wanted it to.  How are your RBR articles coming again?

This is not the first time you've reseeded something because the conversation didn't go the way you wanted it to.

Oh my god!  I was just thinking the same thing!  What is it with this guy anyway! LOL!!!

I'll just start with the FIRST 100 Trump Lies … (His Jess Willard Base needs a bit of "in your face")

• White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “ largest audience to ever witness an inauguration .” (Jan. 21)

I would just like to point out that the first of your copy and paste "Trump" lies is by Sean Spicer, not Trump, lol!!!!!

When you finish laughing, you may realize that Spicer, Huckabee Sanders and other WH spokespersons, speak for the POTUS and consequently, Spicer was merely Trump’s proxy liar, repeating by the way, the lie Trump had told before Spicer repeated it!

Last laugh is mine.

Quick, where are those safety pins?

We had to stop giving them out.  They were injuring themselves.

Damn it, there are more than 18!  You are going to trigger them!!!!!!!!

What is it with this guy anyway!

Lack of coping skills.

We had to stop giving them out.  They were injuring themselves.

You mean I have been wrong all these years. They cant even handle something with only one moving part withoyt hurting themselves?

They cant even handle something with only one moving part withoyt hurting themselves?

The moving part just had them baffled for a while. But we found a bigger concern was the were stabbing themselves with the points.

This is not the first time you've reseeded something because the conversation didn't go the way you wanted it to.

Perhaps you can explain WHY you are attempting to hold ME responsible for someone else's actions and comments. You've done it TWICE now. 

Oh my god!  I was just thinking the same thing! What is it with this guy anyway! LOL!!!

So YOU want to hold me responsible for someone else's actions and comments too. Great to know that you two are of like minds. Guess that means I should call you out on what Norman posts. 

I'm holding you responsible for exactly what I told you.  Several times you've seeded articles, tried to control the conversation and when that didn't work you lock the comments and reseed the article in an attempt to start all over.  

Just like you did with with this seed.

The real bias of politifact is showing here.

Obama told you all that if you like your dr. you can keep your dr.  he told us all that a thousand times during his bullshit obamacare tour.... politifact says that was one lie.

Trump says something that politifact says isn't true, and he repeats it on multiple occasions, and it's counted as a lie every time he repeats it.

Fuck politifact, they are stupid left wing bags of shit, leaders of the left wing Grubercrat Lemmings.

When someone makes an inaccurate statement without the attempt to intentionally mislead, it’s called a falsehood.

When the Trumps of the world knowingly mislead via false statements, it’s called LYING.

See the difference?

When someone makes an inaccurate statement without the attempt to intentionally mislead

Oh, so your saying Obama was just a dumb fuck?

Well, on that we can agree, just not on that particular lie.  Gruber pretty much laid it all out how Obama intentionally deceived his ignorant and gullible liberal democrat base as to the actual effect and purpose of obamacare, and the dumb ass libs swallowed hook, line, and sinker... Hence the term "Grubercrats".

Trump has said "Words to me dont matter much, it's deeds that count."

Sounds a lot like, "I'll say anything, to get what I want."

That is basic to American belief and practice.  We count what you do, not what you say.  And Trump has been doing more good for America than any president since Coolidge- that's going back 90 years