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What Do You Think Should Be The Income Cutoff For Medicaid?

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  9 years ago  •  14 comments

What Do You Think Should Be The Income Cutoff For Medicaid?

What Do You Think Should Be The Income Cutoff For Medicaid?

In other words, below this income (for individual) you can get Medicaid medical coverage, and above that income you are totally on your own? 

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Medicaid is GOP target in 2018


Medicaid could face crucial tests in 2018 at both the federal and state levels.

Republicans in Congress failed in their attempts earlier this year to impose drastic cuts to the program as part of ObamaCare repeal, but GOP lawmakers could try again next year.

The tax bill that President Trump recently signed into law is projected to add $1 trillion to the federal deficit, making cuts to Medicaid an even more tempting target for some conservatives. 

“Medicaid is front and center in any budget exercises, and now that deficits have increased, it puts Medicaid squarely in the bull's-eye,” said Joan Alker, the executive director of the Georgetown University Center for Children and Families.

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has said he wants to bring down entitlement spending, saying in December that “health-care entitlements such as Medicare and Medicaid are the big drivers of debt.”

Any entitlement cuts from Ryan will likely face pushback from members of his own party, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). McConnell has said he doesn’t expect to see entitlement reform on the agenda next year ahead of the midterms. 

“The sensitivity of entitlements is such that you almost have to have a bipartisan agreement in order to achieve a result," McConnell told reporters in late December.

Medicaid covers nearly 75 million people, and the program has proven resilient in the face of conservative opposition.

Cindy Mann, a consultant at Manatt Health who ran Medicaid under former President Obama, said attacks on Medicaid have made it more popular.

“Medicaid has always been supported by the people closest to it,” Mann said.

Some Republican senators have recognized the political risks of Medicaid cuts, too. The GOP’s ObamaCare repeal push failed in part because of senators opposed to the Medicaid cuts.

“The Medicaid program is starting to get a politically powerful status,” said Eliot Fishman, the senior director of health policy at Families USA, an advocacy group.

Fishman noted that Maine, Arizona and Alaska are all Medicaid expansion states represented by Republican senators who have shown a willingness to protect the expansion funding.

Over 16 million people have enrolled in Medicaid since states began expanding coverage under ObamaCare. The program could continue to grow in the near future, as more states could seek to take advantage of the additional federal money offered by the health law.

Future Medicaid expansions could be especially likely if a Democratic wave in November’s midterms gives Democrats control in more statehouses.

In Virginia, Gov.-elect Ralph Northam (D) has promised to expand Medicaid, something Democrats in the state have been unable to accomplish in the last four years in the face of a GOP-controlled legislature. But with a 50-50 split in the House or even a 51-49 Democratic minority, depending on the results of a recount, Northam has much better odds than current Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D).

In Maine, voters approved a ballot initiative allowing the state to expand Medicaid. Gov. Paul LePage (R) has refused to implement it, but a new governor replacing LePage after he leaves office in the face of term limits could be more willing to accept the results.

If even a few more states choose to expand Medicaid, “it starts to get to be enough critical mass nationwide that I would hope it just makes it a permanent part of the Medicaid program,” Fishman said.

But advocates worry that unprecedented flexibilities offered by the Trump administration will allow states to completely change the nature of Medicaid.

Administration officials have said they will allow governors to add work requirements, time limits and lockout periods for people who can’t pay their premiums on time.

Advocates say adding such provisions would further the Republican case that Medicaid is a welfare program, instead of health insurance.

“Whether you support them or not, those activities are not the function of a Medicaid program,” Mann said. “People can differ as to the efficacy of those efforts, but few people can accurately say that’s what health insurance ought to be doing.”

In the coming months, the Trump administration could approve waivers allowing states like Arkansas, Arizona, Indiana and Kentucky to impose work requirements on Medicaid beneficiaries.

Arizona also wants to impose a five-year limit on Medicaid eligibility for the “able-bodied.”

States that want work requirements have acknowledged that tens or even hundreds of thousands of people would lose Medicaid coverage under the proposals.

Prior to ObamaCare, Medicaid mainly covered children, the disabled and pregnant women. The law’s optional expansion allowed many more low-income people to become eligible, leading to criticisms from conservatives that “able-bodied” beneficiaries were essentially freeloading off the government.

Alker said that’s the wrong way to look at it.

“[Medicaid is] predominantly run by managed care insurance companies, so that kind of rhetoric is a gross oversimplification,” Alker said. “But people who want to cut it, they tend to focus on one population.”

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/366728-gop-could-push-medicaid-cuts-in-2018


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bugsy
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1  bugsy    9 years ago

I don't understand why this article was seeded. I thought libs want everyone on medicaid, no matter the income. Why should there be a cutoff, right?

Make sure we milk the "rich" to pay for yet another libbie freebie.

 
 
 
epistte
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1.1  epistte  replied to  bugsy @1    9 years ago
I don't understand why this article was seeded. I thought libs want everyone on medicaid, no matter the income. Why should there be a cutoff, right?

Medicare is the preferred medical insurance coverage for single payer.   Single payer wouldn't be free but it would be better than private insurance because it wouldn't be the fee for service and the net-profit would be much lower.  We would all (under65) pay for it, but most of us would pay much less than what we are paying now.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2  Dulay    9 years ago

What Do You Think Should Be The Income Cutoff For Medicaid?
In other words, below this income (for individual) you can get Medicaid medical coverage, and above that income you are totally on your own?

Medicaid is already means tested. Before the ACA, everyone WAS on their own. Now, above the income cutoff, the marketplace kicks in. Once the GOP gets their way, it will go back to tens of millions not being covered. 

The income cutoff numbers suck and don't take into account local cost of living. Of course, neither do the poverty line. For a family of 3 it's $20,160, WAY below reality. Hell, Kentucky has the lowest living wage quotient and they STILL need to make $21.50 an hour to support 2 adults and one kid. Not many of those kind of jobs in Kentucky. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2    9 years ago
Once the GOP gets their way, it will go back to tens of millions not being covered.

Only because the individual mandate was repealed. If a person thinks they are healthy enough and do not WANT health care insurance, they will not have to purchase it. More money in the pockets of individuals.

MAGA!!

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.1  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @2.1    9 years ago
Only because the individual mandate was repealed.

The mandate has nothing to do with my comment.

Wait, didn't Trump just say the other day that Obamacare was 'basically dead'? Yep, that's what he said. 

I thought I heard Trump and the GOP insist that they were all about repealing ALL of the ACA. Has that changed? 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.2  epistte  replied to  bugsy @2.1    9 years ago
Only because the individual mandate was repealed. If a person thinks they are healthy enough and do not WANT health care insurance, they will not have to purchase it. More money in the pockets of individuals.

What happens when they get sick or have an accident and cannot afford the bills? You can't buy medical insurance after you get sick and still have it pay the bills.  Don't be a deadbeat and get health insurance.  Insurance is cheaper when more people are part of the insurance pool, and that is why the mandate existed. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @2.1.1    8 years ago
The mandate has nothing to do with my comment

But it did. You stated that tens of millions will lose health care because of the tax bill. Responsible adults will purchase some sort of catastrophic insurance to protect themselves.

That leaves out liberals.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.4  bugsy  replied to  epistte @2.1.2    8 years ago
Insurance is cheaper when more people are part of the insurance pool, and that is why the mandate existed.

Is it? I don't think I have seen anywhere during the mandate years where premiums have gone down, even with the addition of millions on the rolls BECAUSE of the mandate. In fct, for those of us who pay for our insurance, our premiums went up...ALOT!! The mandate existed so the government can take money from the makers and give it to the takers in the way of subsidies.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.5  epistte  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    8 years ago

Shove your simplistic libertarian nonsense where the sun doesn't shine because Ayn Rand was a fraud. The people who received ACA subsidies all work but didn't earn enough to be able to afford insurance without assistance so they aren't takers. The poor who don't work and the disabled already received Medicaid. Those of us with preexisting conditions now have coverage for all of our health, unlike before.    The ACA is absolutely an improvement but it is only a first step to single payer.

The people who don't have medical insurance but can afford it are the takers because they get medical care, even if they don't have insurance.  Those of us with medical insurance are stuck paying for their freeloading.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.7  bugsy  replied to  epistte @2.1.5    8 years ago

Where did I say I was a libertarian? I understand a liberals first defense is to name call and insult, you have not failed.

My post stands. The mandate allowed for the government to take from healthy people forced to pay for insurance and give it to those that get subsidies because they don't want to better themselves and their families.

The only thing I agree with you is your last sentence. It was the only thing in the rant that made semi-sense.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.8  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @2.1.3    8 years ago
You stated that tens of millions will lose health care because of the tax bill.

Actually, NO, I didn't say that at all. I said:

Once the GOP gets their way, it will go back to tens of millions not being covered.

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Responsible adults will purchase some sort of catastrophic insurance to protect themselves.

Catastrophic insurance isn't health care. 

That leaves out liberals.

Smarm.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.9  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    8 years ago
In fct, for those of us who pay for our insurance, our premiums went up...ALOT!!

Yet not one of you have any proof that insurance premiums would NOT have gone up EVEN MORE without the mandate or the ACA. 

 
 

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