if every odd behavior is a catalyst for suspicion and reporting we are heading in a dangerous direction, ignoring obvious issues are even worse. Just a few years ago I was aware that there was a peculiar interaction between a teacher and her students, I was suspicious but had nothing concrete to take issue with, at least to the level of damaging someone's career on a feeling. My instincts were good as she was banging the boys. A red flag comes into view when there are suspicious elements and a profound religious bend. The Turpins fit the mold.
We need better guidelines for removal of children from the home. A local family I know was allowed to retain custody of their child who was sexually abused by her father, and physically abused by her mother, who blamed her for her father abusing her at the age of 3. The attitude was "So long as Mom is trying to get help to stop beating her child for being a victim, it's all good."
My parents' neighbor broke his wife's arm, and nearly strangled her older son who was trying to protect her. He is mentally ill, and went off his meds. His doctor told the wife that she was terrible for not letting him come back home, and that she needed to be more supportive of his recovery, regardless of whether he was on or off his meds. The doctor was perfectly willing to sacrifice the safety of the wife and kids for this guy's "recovery".
I'm not sure there is anything we can do. There is a fine line between suspicion of and actual abuse. Reporting abuse when there is none causes all kinds of issues for the accused. The problem is, where is that line? It will always be a judgment call
Gary, folks also have to be careful regarding the meds that are being given to kids by physicians. Some of the meds are blood thinners. When a child "bumps" into something, bruises are caused and, in some states, Social Services is called to conduct an investigation into child abuse - when none had occurred.
Sleep problems, anxiety, fatigue, upset stomach, dizziness, dry mouth. Although rare, can cause liver damage. Increased risk of suicide in adults aged 18-24.
Also recall, bruising from abuse will frequently have a different pattern from bruising from normal activities. Circumferential bruising on the arms and legs, for example, or around the neck. Frequent bruising on the face - we tend to protect our heads as well as we can when we fall. Bruising on the abdomen - we usually try to catch ourselves and don't fall on our bellies hard enough to bruise. Bruised knees and shins - probably normal. Bruised wrists - high suspicion for abuse.
The links should have transferred over with the cut'n'paste.
I know the nastiness of the bruises. My wife's grandmother, who lives with us, is on two different types of blood thinners - one for treatment of ADHD - yeah, even at 83 years of age. All she has to do is look at something and she immediately gets bruises it seems. We've had to take her to the emergency room on a number of occasions for fibromyalgia and, on at least three occasions, within a few days the Social Services folks knock on the door. After they talk with her, they close the case, advise the hospital all is well.
Our daughter is also treated for ADHD - same thing. We're asking the physicians if they can give a prescription for a treatment drug without blood-thinners. Still waiting.
I wonder how typical this is for religious extremists who home school their kids? Apparently CA is one of the states which has no regulations or oversight of home schoolers.
I wonder how typical this is for religious extremists who home school their kids?
Thus far, the only religious extremists are the grandparents, and they haven't seen their grand-children for over 5 years. One of the aunts said she hadn't seen the victims for 19 years. Except for the victims, the family seems to be bizarrely dysfunctional and uncommunicative in many ways.
It was only after the one brave teen finally escaped that these "grandparents" and aunt showed an interest in the victims, and what was the first thing they did? They talked to the media instead of what normal family members would do when they learn that their kin have been abused and tortured for YEARS.
Please keep in mind that law enforcement has not established a motive, so it's wise to not continue with arm chair "religion" speculation until we know the facts.
We also don't have any facts that the kids were actually homeschooled. The father set up a questionable private school that had 6 unnamed "students".
We know they did at least pretend they were home schooling, and we know they were people who want to be 'off the grid', aka, unaccountable in this case.
Thus far, the only religious extremists are the grandparents
Those folks are the parents of perp David Turpin and they said the only education their grandchildren had was to memorize long passages of bible-babble, with some memorizing the entire bible.
Coincidentally, David Turpin's brother is the president of Valor Christian College.
I also like how the Turpins gave all their kids a name starting with the letter "J".....they must be in competition with the Duggars to see which couple can use up all the possible J-names before menopause. And we know how well the Duggar's Christian home schooling scheme worked out.
Those folks are the parents of perp David Turpin and they said the only education their grandchildren had was to memorize long passages of bible-babble, with some memorizing the entire bible.
They also said that they hadn't seen their grandchildren for at least 5 years. One aunt said that she hadn't seen the kids for 19 years. That leads us to understand that they had little to no knowledge and interest in learning about the victims' education and welfare.
Coincidentally, David Turpin's brother is the president of Valor Christian College.
Irrelevant.
I also like how the Turpins gave all their kids a name starting with the letter "J".....they must be in competition with the Duggars to see which couple can use up all the possible J-names before menopause. And we know how well the Duggar's Christian home schooling scheme worked out.
They also said that they hadn't seen their grandchildren for at least 5 years.
Are you saying that there's some evidence the Turpin's expanded the curriculum beyond bible-babble in the past 5 years? The only statements I've heard from authorities is that the children lack a "basic knowledge of life", which would be consistent with using the bible as the sole source of information.
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One aunt said that she hadn't seen the kids for 19 years.
if every odd behavior is a catalyst for suspicion and reporting we are heading in a dangerous direction, ignoring obvious issues are even worse. Just a few years ago I was aware that there was a peculiar interaction between a teacher and her students, I was suspicious but had nothing concrete to take issue with, at least to the level of damaging someone's career on a feeling. My instincts were good as she was banging the boys. A red flag comes into view when there are suspicious elements and a profound religious bend. The Turpins fit the mold.
We need better guidelines for removal of children from the home. A local family I know was allowed to retain custody of their child who was sexually abused by her father, and physically abused by her mother, who blamed her for her father abusing her at the age of 3. The attitude was "So long as Mom is trying to get help to stop beating her child for being a victim, it's all good."
My parents' neighbor broke his wife's arm, and nearly strangled her older son who was trying to protect her. He is mentally ill, and went off his meds. His doctor told the wife that she was terrible for not letting him come back home, and that she needed to be more supportive of his recovery, regardless of whether he was on or off his meds. The doctor was perfectly willing to sacrifice the safety of the wife and kids for this guy's "recovery".
Too often, we enable abusers.
I'm not sure there is anything we can do. There is a fine line between suspicion of and actual abuse. Reporting abuse when there is none causes all kinds of issues for the accused. The problem is, where is that line? It will always be a judgment call
Gary, folks also have to be careful regarding the meds that are being given to kids by physicians. Some of the meds are blood thinners. When a child "bumps" into something, bruises are caused and, in some states, Social Services is called to conduct an investigation into child abuse - when none had occurred.
That must be it, bruises are from blood thinners and the turpin's kids were not shackled they were towing the furniture.
Very few children are on blood thinners.
Right - Treatment for ADHD is with the use of the below drugs which do, in fact, thin blood.
Nonstimulants
Links supporting those side effects?
Also recall, bruising from abuse will frequently have a different pattern from bruising from normal activities. Circumferential bruising on the arms and legs, for example, or around the neck. Frequent bruising on the face - we tend to protect our heads as well as we can when we fall. Bruising on the abdomen - we usually try to catch ourselves and don't fall on our bellies hard enough to bruise. Bruised knees and shins - probably normal. Bruised wrists - high suspicion for abuse.
The links should have transferred over with the cut'n'paste.
I know the nastiness of the bruises. My wife's grandmother, who lives with us, is on two different types of blood thinners - one for treatment of ADHD - yeah, even at 83 years of age. All she has to do is look at something and she immediately gets bruises it seems. We've had to take her to the emergency room on a number of occasions for fibromyalgia and, on at least three occasions, within a few days the Social Services folks knock on the door. After they talk with her, they close the case, advise the hospital all is well.
Our daughter is also treated for ADHD - same thing. We're asking the physicians if they can give a prescription for a treatment drug without blood-thinners. Still waiting.
I wonder how typical this is for religious extremists who home school their kids? Apparently CA is one of the states which has no regulations or oversight of home schoolers.
Be sure to play the religious card.
Thus far, the only religious extremists are the grandparents, and they haven't seen their grand-children for over 5 years. One of the aunts said she hadn't seen the victims for 19 years. Except for the victims, the family seems to be bizarrely dysfunctional and uncommunicative in many ways.
It was only after the one brave teen finally escaped that these "grandparents" and aunt showed an interest in the victims, and what was the first thing they did? They talked to the media instead of what normal family members would do when they learn that their kin have been abused and tortured for YEARS.
Please keep in mind that law enforcement has not established a motive, so it's wise to not continue with arm chair "religion" speculation until we know the facts.
We also don't have any facts that the kids were actually homeschooled. The father set up a questionable private school that had 6 unnamed "students".
That's all we know.
We know they did at least pretend they were home schooling, and we know they were people who want to be 'off the grid', aka, unaccountable in this case.
Those folks are the parents of perp David Turpin and they said the only education their grandchildren had was to memorize long passages of bible-babble, with some memorizing the entire bible.
Coincidentally, David Turpin's brother is the president of Valor Christian College.
I also like how the Turpins gave all their kids a name starting with the letter "J".....they must be in competition with the Duggars to see which couple can use up all the possible J-names before menopause. And we know how well the Duggar's Christian home schooling scheme worked out.
They also said that they hadn't seen their grandchildren for at least 5 years. One aunt said that she hadn't seen the kids for 19 years. That leads us to understand that they had little to no knowledge and interest in learning about the victims' education and welfare.
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant again.
Are you saying that there's some evidence the Turpin's expanded the curriculum beyond bible-babble in the past 5 years? The only statements I've heard from authorities is that the children lack a "basic knowledge of life", which would be consistent with using the bible as the sole source of information.
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Irrelevant.