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When Does the Shooting Begin?

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  heartland-american  •  8 years ago  •  88 comments

When Does the Shooting Begin?

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Each time Republicans do something Democrats do not like, Democrats escalate their rhetoric. The right is not immune from this, but the right is in power right now, so conservatives have less with which to drive fear.

Extreme Rhetoric 


After the Southern Poverty Law Center declared the Christian-based Family Research Council a hate group intent on harming gay rights, Floyd Lee Corkins walked into the Council’s offices with Chick-fil-A sandwiches and a gun intent on murdering the employees and stuffing their mouths with the sandwiches.

Also a fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center and its anti-Christian and anti-Republican rhetoric, James Hodgkinson took seriously the Democratic and progressive left rhetoric that Republicans would kill people by repealing the Affordable Care Act. He drove to a baseball field and attempted a mass assassination of Republican members of Congress.

Both men had serious mental issues. But both were provoked by extreme rhetoric from the left. Progressives once claimed Republicans were racist. Now they claim Republicans are racist killers who need to be stopped. According to Democrats, Republicans attempted to kill people through passing tax cuts, repealing Obama era net neutrality regulations, merely considering the repeal of Obamacare and now by the president nominating Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

Harassment and Assault


We are already at a point where progressive protestors are showing up at the homes of Trump administration employees. White House staff, members of Congress, Fox News personalities and other notable conservatives are getting harassed and thrown out of restaurants. A random 16-year-old in San Antonio, Texas, was assaulted in a restaurant last week for wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap.

Russia Stole the Election


Democrats have now convinced a good portion of their base that Russia stole the 2016 election and that Russia is trying to steal the 2018 election as well. In fact, some Democratic consultants are already warning that Democratic leaders may be suppressing their vote by saying Russia is going to steal the election.

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Democrats are increasingly vocal about the idea that they think Republicans in Congress are doing Russia’s bidding. They view Donald Trump as an authoritarian figure waiting for just the right moment to suspend elections and impose a dictatorship. Hollywood Director Josh Whedon declared merely considering Kavanaugh’s nomination would create the first American dictatorship.

On Independence Day, The First Purge came out in theaters. The movie posits that the National Rifle Association backed a coup that put a dictatorship in power in the United States. Democrats consider the group a terrorist organization that Republicans show fealty to. They also believe Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a terrorist organization that should be abolished.

A Destructive Tool


In the 24 hours after President Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared Kavanaugh would be “a destructive tool on a generation of progress for workers, women, LGBTQ people, communities of color [and] families” and that he would “radically reverse the course of American justice [and] democracy.” Yale law students declared people would die because of Kavanaugh. NBC News journalists spread, as news, a false rumor that Anthony Kennedy negotiated his retirement contingent on Kavanaugh’s appointment.

All of this is just hyperbole designed to motivate a political base and fundraise. But this is the world in which a man attempted the mass assassination of Republican members of Congress inspired by similar rhetoric. And things have gotten far worse since then.

Stop This


To believe Democrats, voting no longer matters because Russia is stealing the elections; Republicans are doing the bidding of a terrorist group; another terrorist group runs part of the government forcibly separating children from their parents; Republicans are letting corporations kill Americans; Anthony Kennedy is ensuring Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court to protect the NRA, Christian fundamentalists, and a president who should otherwise be indicted; and the system is rigged. The Democrats’ call to action is “stop this.”

How long before more Hodgkinsons believe the dystopian picture painted by the Democrats? The Russians are in charge, voting no longer matters, the system is rigged, and the Supreme Court is now a tool of a would-be dictator. It is only a matter of time before “stop this” leads to “shoot them.”

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Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
3  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1  devangelical  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3    8 years ago

We're in the veiled threat segment of the rightwing campaign for the mid-terms.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.1    8 years ago

Deflection and projection. Too bad the original on topic comment was flagged to accommodate the change of direction in this conversation.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.4  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.3    8 years ago

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owlsview677
Freshman Silent
4  owlsview677    8 years ago

Fearmongering. You post about it a lot. It is one of the favorite tools socialists use to spawn suspicion, unrest and violence from within.

Sometimes it's blatant, sometimes it's subtle. Subtlety is an art form. This article is an example of rightwing extremist fearmongering. Facts relayed in a fashion designed to create nervousness. Constant danger. A looming crisis. A need to arm yourself for protection. Protection, not from an oppressive government, from each other.

The title is "When Does The Shooting Begin?" The article then proceeds to show that the shooting has already begun.

'When Does The Shooting Back Begin?' becomes the question in the readers mind. Yet, there are plenty of examples to suggest that it already has. The purpose of this article and many others like it is to promote escalation.

Your neighbors are not your enemies.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  owlsview677 @4    8 years ago

Lol, you know that entire post went COMPLETELY over HA's head right? 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
4.4  SteevieGee  replied to  owlsview677 @4    8 years ago

My first thought on this was when is the shooting going to stop.

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
4.4.2  owlsview677  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.4.1    8 years ago
The idea is to expose it, to shine the light of day upon those who would resort to violence and shame them

I have the same idea.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
4.4.3  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.4.1    8 years ago

Whatever pays the bills.

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
5  owlsview677    8 years ago

His head is not at the top of my list of priorities. Not over his head. As related to this article, it is the art of subtlety.

Retreat, gloss over and ignore. Do not attempt to rebut an un-rebuttable truth.

The instigators of these shootings are never the ones who do the shooting. HA told no lies about these various left wing groups he has named. They are evil, bullies with the rhetoric, dangerous and should not be ignored. Neither should their mirror image on the left.

Create the environment of violence and then step in and take over when the shooting stops.

Articles like this are the weapons of a non-shooting war.

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
5.1  owlsview677  replied to  owlsview677 @5    8 years ago

A bit of an oops. Where it says "mirror image on the left" I meant for it to be "on the right". I am involved with a similar author elsewhere and the right and left extremists are so much alike it's hard to tell them apart.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
6  Colour Me Free    8 years ago

My favorite fearmongering tail has to do with why Justice Kennedy is retiring...

Your link misrepresents the speculation by stating it as follows:

"Justice Kennedy quit because he and his son helped Trump launder illegal Russian money through Deutsche Bank."
— Bloggers on Saturday, June 30th, 2018 in a blog post

THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE/CONNECTION THAT MAY BE QUESTIONABLE!
THIS IS …
As Stephanie Ruhle of MSNBC has reported, Justin Kennedy left Deutsche Bank long before the money laundering and had no direct connection to the bank's loans to Trump. The more interesting fact is where Justin Kennedy went next -- he became the co-CEO of LNR Property. And that brings us straight to the most immediately vulnerable member of the Trump family, Jared Kushner.

From the New York Times, in 2012:

The Kushners' purchase in 2007 of 666 Fifth Avenue for a record price of $1.8 billion is considered a classic example of reckless underwriting. The transaction was so highly leveraged that the cash flow from rents amounted to only 65 percent of the debt service.

As many real estate specialists predicted, the deal ran into trouble. Instead of rising, rents declined as the recession took hold, and new leases were scarce. In 2010, the loan was transferred to a special servicer on the assumption that a default would occur once reserve funds being used to subsidize the shortfall were bled dry.

Instead of foreclosing on the 39-story building, which stretches from 52nd Street to 53rd Street, the lenders agreed last month to reduce the principal and defer some of the interest payments on the interest-only loan and extend its maturity for two years, until February 2019.

Vornado has taken an ownership stake in several troubled Manhattan properties. But the 666 Fifth deal raised some eyebrows because Vornado is also a part-owner of the special servicer on the loan, LNR Partners, of Miami Beach.

There was a direct business relationship between LNR and Kushner Companies at the time Justin Kennedy and Jared Kushner were both CEOs. Even the future President was aware of the deal and commented on its respective merits.

-- In 2011, the year in which some of these negotiations took place, Justin Kennedy for the first time was ranked on the New York Observer’s 100 Most Powerful People in New York Real Estate at #36. Donald Trump clocked in at #12. At that time, The New York Observer was owned by Jared Kushner.

The 666 Fifth Avenue deal is generally regarded as the all-time stinker in New York commercial real estate. What did LNR see as the upside? Better question: Was there any upside? As we know, 666 Fifth Avenue went badly for the Kushners, so badly that they were scrambling for a partner. Where might one be?

The Intercept reported earlier this year that Charles Kushner, Jared's father, had discussed a financing deal for 666 Fifth Avenue with Qatari finance minister Ali Sharif Al Emadi in April 2017. A month after that deal cratered, a group of Middle Eastern countries, with Jared Kushner’s backing, led a diplomatic assault that culminated in a blockade of Qatar. NBC News reported that Qatari government officials visiting the U.S. “considered turning over to Mueller what they believe is evidence of efforts by their country’s Persian Gulf neighbors in coordination with Kushner to hurt their country.”

Back in March 2017, when Bernstein and Rusk published their Medium article, they ended on a hopeful note:

We know what the Justice’s son may have done for Mr. Kushner, but what did the President’s children do for Justin Kennedy? How have they been nice to him? Evidently Justice Kennedy knows, and this may have had an impact on his opinion of the Trumps in general and the President in particular. This is perhaps a significant cause of concern for those who hope that Justice Kennedy will try and hold out until after Trump is replaced by a Democrat. Time will tell.

Well, time has told. Kennedy didn’t hold out. Although there’s clearly more to this story than an 81-year-old justice who was ready to retire, I’m thinking Anthony Kennedy’s farewell gift to Trump isn’t just right-wing control of the Supreme Court for the rest of most of our lives. For once, it may not be about the money. The real prize here may be a gold-plated Get Out of Jail Free card.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
6.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Colour Me Free @6    8 years ago

Too funny ..  extreme rhetoric is the first sub title in the seed … I was talking about extreme rhetoric from the left regarding a Justice of the Supreme Court - my feelers are crushed! … : )

Hahahaha!

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
7  luther28    8 years ago

When Does the Shooting Begin?

Well one would hope, never.

Just keep fanning the flames and you may get the shooting you so seem to desire. Can you say martial law, they seem to be looking for an excuse.

 
 

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