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After Putin Meeting, Trump Voters Mostly Dig In. But Cracks Are Showing.

  

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Via:  hal-a-lujah  •  8 years ago  •  11 comments

After Putin Meeting, Trump Voters Mostly Dig In. But Cracks Are Showing.

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Maybe it was the F.B.I.’s fault for unnerving him. Or maybe the White House staff had left President Trump ill-prepared before his stunning remarks in Helsinki Monday, when he sided with Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

At a bar in central Pennsylvania, voters wondered if election meddling was really so terrible. At a mall in Arizona, they insisted that Mr. Trump had actually been quite tough on Russia until, well, whatever that was in Finland.

In interviews with conservatives and Trump supporters across a half-dozen states, there were many theories about the president’s performance — he was tougher in private; he is cutting a mega-deal; he has a plan — and more than a few questions about his news conference with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, which left congressional Republicans and at least some voters struggling to endorse their leader’s approach.

“You’re essentially putting Russia first,” said Chris Ford, 26, a Republican in Dallas, tweaking a president who already had only his “lukewarm” support, as of this week. “It’s hard to see how that’s putting America first.”

t is by now the signal political cliché of the Trump age that his most dedicated admirers will probably never abandon him. The most telling aside of Mr. Trump’s 2016 candidacy — that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and retain his support — has given way to a presidency that has broadly proved him right, through trade wars and porn stars, praise for foreign dictators and excuses for white supremacists.

But even by Mr. Trump’s extraordinary standards, the summit has supplied a singular test case, compelling voters to reckon with the consequences — for Mr. Trump, for the midterm elections, for American democracy — when a president agrees with a foreign adversary over his own intelligence agencies on the grandest stage.

On Tuesday afternoon, amid a stream of criticism from lawmakers, Mr. Trump appeared to backtrack, saying he misspoke at the news conference in Helsinki and that he supports America’s intelligence agencies and their conclusions about Russia meddling in the election.

Voters seemed to prefer a stronger stance against Russia.

“We should stand our ground,” said Jimmy Treece, a retired construction worker and Trump supporter waiting for a bus in Carlisle, Pa. “There is clearly something wrong here.”

Russia, Mr. Treece said, was plainly “guilty of something.” But he hastened to add this: He hopes whichever candidates win in November will stand by the president, as he plans to.

So it went in interviews with Republican voters across the country on Monday and Tuesday, most of them devoted to the president’s policies generally. They quickly sorted themselves into two camps: those who winced at the episode, or at least questioned it, and those who continued to defend Mr. Trump without hesitation.

If history is a guide — and polling, too — the second group is significantly larger within the party. And for Mr. Trump’s true loyalists, the Helsinki meeting and its aftermath have once more inspired a sense of fury and grievance on his behalf. It is not merely that they support the president in spite of his Russia stance, like Republican lawmakers who grimace at times but largely embrace his agenda. Increasingly, these voters have absorbed Mr. Trump’s every viewpoint, his scapegoats, even his language tics as their own.

“It is strictly a witch hunt,” said Carol Livingood, 74, of Danville, Ind., who says she owns enough “Make America Great Again” hats and shirts to “wear Mr. Trump” every day of the week. “It makes Watergate look like playing in the sandbox.” She blamed the news media and the F.B.I. for stoking tensions.

“They’re just trying to make Trump’s election look fraudulent,” said Vernon Hastings Jr., 76, from Shreveport, La., calling reports of Russia’s election interference overblown. “You think it ain’t happening already? You think China’s not fooling with it?”

Several people said that Mr. Trump was only hoping to ratchet down tensions with a nuclear power, as they believe he did with Kim Jong-un of North Korea. His defense of Russia, they suggested, was strategic, even winking — part of a long game that most could not yet understand.

“No one really thinks it’s a true friendship,” said Dan Coleman, a computer software salesman in Scottsdale, Ariz. “But if the alternative is heightened nuclear activity and potential war, I would take a soft-pedal friendship over that.”

Yet for other Republicans, at all levels, the moment registered as at least somewhat distressing. Many lawmakers were eager to create distance, even as they often strained to give Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt. Representative Ron DeSantis, who is running for governor of Florida with Mr. Trump’s endorsement, allowed on Fox News that Russia must be confronted “from a position of strength” by making clear to Mr. Putin that “there’ll be consequences if they continue to behave the way that they did.”

Gov. John R. Kasich of Ohio, a longtime critic of Mr. Trump and his policies within the Republican Party, was far blunter. “Simply put,” he said, “President Trump is wrong.”

Among voters, Mr. Trump’s conduct seemed to reinforce a common theme of any midterm election, but perhaps especially this one: Americans tend to prefer constraints on the party in power. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found that voters were more likely to support a congressional candidate who promises to serve as a check on Mr. Trump by a 25-point margin, 48 percent to 23 percent. They were far less likely, 53 percent to 31 percent, to support a candidate who has shared Mr. Trump’s position more than 90 percent of the time.

Democrats cautioned that many congressional races would be decided on local issues, suggesting that there was a danger in overemphasizing Russian interference, no matter how inexplicable the president’s behavior or how dismayed liberal voters had become.

“It may appeal to voters in Brooklyn, New York,” said Steve Israel, a retired congressman from New York and the former leader of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. “It’s not likely to motivate voters in Brooklyn, Iowa, which happens to be in a competitive district this cycle.”

But at least a handful of swing voters appeared to process Mr. Trump’s comments with alarm.

Louis Ballard, of Bardstown, Ky., said he had grown disaffected with the Republican Party after decades of support. The summit, he said, was just “another layer of displeasure.”

“He got a point-blank question about whether he supports U.S. intelligence or Vladimir Putin, and he made the choice that he supports Putin,” Mr. Ballard said. “I wasn’t shocked, but I guess you could say I was disappointed once again.”

In 2016, Mr. Ballard could not bring himself to support Mr. Trump or Hillary Clinton, choosing to write in Lamar Jackson, then the star quarterback for the University of Louisville.

This fall, he said, he has a different plan: “Straight Democrat.”


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Hal A. Lujah
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1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

Louis Ballard, of Bardstown, Ky., said he had grown disaffected with the Republican Party after decades of support. The summit, he said, was just “another layer of displeasure.”

“He got a point-blank question about whether he supports U.S. intelligence or Vladimir Putin, and he made the choice that he supports Putin,” Mr. Ballard said. “I wasn’t shocked, but I guess you could say I was disappointed once again.”

In 2016, Mr. Ballard could not bring himself to support Mr. Trump or Hillary Clinton, choosing to write in Lamar Jackson, then the star quarterback for the University of Louisville.

This fall, he said, he has a different plan: “Straight Democrat.”

Blue wave is a coming.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1  Kavika   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago
Blue wave is a coming.

Hopefully it is.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Kavika @1.1    8 years ago

Articles like this one give me hope.  When the right posts an article of the same vein, it is responded to with evidence that Russian trolls are responsible for promoting the idea of a red wave. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  seeder  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

Funny, I keep seeing the same RWNJs cheering on articles from the left, as if it is feeding a massive red wave.  Lol.  They are in panic mode.

 
 
 
owlsview677
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2.1  owlsview677  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    8 years ago

Well glory be. If these RWNJs are actually creating a blue wave why laugh at them and tell them they are wrong? Seems like it would be more beneficial to your cause to keep your mouth shut and hope they keep on doing it.

What a bunch of silly gooses you Ls and Rs keep acting like. Die hard Republicans didn't vote for Trump, if they had there would be no argument about the popular vote.

Trump got elected by the millions of people who are quite tired of old time politics and it's inherent nature of negativity, denigration and bullying tactics.

Listening to Trump can sometimes be difficult and cause head shaking just as with most politicians. Thing is we "deplorables" have learned the hard way how foolish it is to rely on the spoken word. So instead of listening intentionally we are looking at what is happening.

What we see is a President who has done more to improve not only our economy but also are security than any President has for decades. Of course that isn't the opinion of old school  Ls and R's. We don't put much stock in the opinions of people who have consistently failed to produce positive results.

Blue wave, Red wave we don't give a shit. The only wave we are interested in is a tidal wave of people who regardless of which Party is paying for their campaign will work for the benefit of the people instead of their Parties.

A bullish personality that get's positive things done is preferable to a bunch of potty mouths full of empty promises that keep advancing us to the rear.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  owlsview677 @2.1    8 years ago

"gets positive things done."  ? ?

Sure, Supply Side Economics still breathes and another half a dozen of Gorsuch clones on the court will deliver nothing.  Maybe it is past time to scrap all of that, start all over and try the untried.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.2  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  owlsview677 @2.1    8 years ago

If these RWNJs are actually creating a blue wave why laugh at them and tell them they are wrong?  Seems like it would be more beneficial to your cause to keep your mouth shut and hope they keep on doing it.

I'm an anonymous blogger, on a site whose membership typically only grows on the rare occasion of another similar site dying.  This site isn't doing anything to change political affiliations.  In fact, I have challenged every right winger here to come up with a single screen name of an NT member who has switched from D to R as a result of Trump, to support their idiotic walkaway assertions.  No takers.  In fact, I personally know of nobody inside or outside of this site who would fit that bill.

Die hard Republicans didn't vote for Trump, if they had there would be no argument about the popular vote.

Gee, is Hillary allowed to make the same wildly unsubstantiated claim about herself?

Trump got elected by the millions of people who are quite tired of old time politics and it's inherent nature of negativity, denigration and bullying tactics.

So you voted for Trump because he's not a bully and promised to drain the swamp?  Is that supposed to be funny?  He's hired every unethical lobbyist in DC, in violation of established standards.

Listening to Trump can sometimes be difficult and cause head shaking just as with most politicians.

You say that like Trump is just mildly abrasive.  He is not.  He is a jackhammer of unsophistication, blatant lies, naked pandering, and a million other colorful but well deserved insults.  This is not Mitt Romney and a binder full of women, it is more like Charlie Sheen and Paris Hilton had a baby that was raised by Milo Yiannopoulos, and Christian evangelicals decided it should be the most powerful person in the world.

What we see is a President who has done more to improve not only our economy but also are security than any President has for decades.

If that is what helps you sleep at night, so be it.  It's 180 degrees away from the truth though, which is openly demonstrated multiple times a week.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3  Dismayed Patriot    8 years ago

I guess some Trump supporters are finding treason a pill too large to swallow and are finally abandoning the sinking stinking ship.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4  Paula Bartholomew    8 years ago

White House staff had left President Trump ill-prepared 

Trump refuses to be prepared so the WH staff has probably given up trying.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    8 years ago

Cracks in the Trump base?  Nah.  The Trumpers weren't anywhere before and there's no place else for them to go.   When the demise of Trumpism occurs, the Trumpers will be the fruit left on the vine that nobody wants to pick.  Let it wither away.

 
 

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