What to Make of the Carter Page FISA Applications
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The Carter Page FISAs are out via the Freedom of Information Act. Here are a few observations, relatively brief but still just a bit too long for Twitter.
First, a huge amount of information is redacted in these FISA applications, but they still represent a monumental disclosure to the public. The government considers FISA applications to be very sensitive—and their disclosure, even heavily redacted, may have long-term, programmatic consequences long after we’re finished with President Trump. The government seems to have accepted that FOIA applies to FISA. Without taking a position on the issue it made me recall this Lawfare post that argues to the contrary.
Second, for those who don’t remember, the controversy about these FISA applications first arose in February when House intelligence committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes released a memo claiming that the FBI misled the FISA Court about Christopher Steele, the former British secret agent who compiled the “dossier” on Trump-Russia ties and who was a source of information in the FISA applications on Page. The main complaint in the Nunes memo was that FBI whitewashed Steele—that the FISA applications did not “disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials.”
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The FISA memo was dishonest. It did not disclose that the research was paid for by Clinton and the DNC and also misled the court by claiming the FBI "speculated" that it "was likely" that the dossier was put together to discredit Donald Trump, when the FBI knew with 100% certainty that was the purpose.
The judges disagree.
They did? Exactly HOW did they know that for a '100% certainty'. I mean, if the information in the dossier had actually been released by Clinton or the DNC BEFORE the election, then it WOULD be obvious. It wasn't released by them and it wasn't released until AFTER the election.
There is NO hard evidence for WHY the DNC wanted the OPO. Steele didn't know he was working on OPO, he was just paid to gather whatever information he could come up with.
It also can't be ignored that the statement is in the equivalent of a signed affidavit. You may think you KNOW something BUT you better be able to back that up with evidence if you put it in a FISA warrant application.
The judges weren't given all the information. All they had to go on was the (now) long string of lies by the Democrats
It's cute that you think you know more about the law than a FISC judge.
One thing the redacted FISA warrant shows is that Nunes and the House GOP flat-out lied about it in order to feed the paranoia of gullible right-wing nuts. That nuttery and yours is debunked here:
Still waiting on the 'long string of truths' by the republicans.
Secret meeting with Putin. Its still a secret. Why?
Four different FISA court Judges, all four appointed by Republicans, signed off on the warrant. They obviously thought that there was plenty of probable cause to authorize the warrant.
You know this HOW? Did you READ the fucking thing?
The VAST majority of it is redacted. Trump COULD have declassified the WHOLE thing but he CHOSE not to. So the public will probably NEVER know all of the evidence used in the application and that is because Trump doesn't want us to know...
Actually nothing in the dossier has been proven wrong. It doesn't matter what the original purpose of it was, as long as the info in it is truthful and legally obtained.
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What's wrong, you afraid President Trump will give Russia 20% of our uranium or get $400 million in "donations"?
You do know what the "F" stands for in FISA don't you?
Oh now he has a meme!!! I guess I better capitulate. LMAO - Not going to happen.
I guess you're done. Being you really have nothing of real value to add to the conversation.
No, I just decided I'd put that up whenever someone decided they couldn't defend Trump without mentioning certain things from the "way back machine". Got anything worth while to add to this conversation? If not maybe you can find something under another seed.
Yeah, you have nothing but meme's. You have nothing to add.
Have a good night.
Why yes, YES I do. Do you have a point?
BTFW, you failed to answer the questions I posed to you.
You had nothing to start with...
Well, since you are attacking me I guess you have nothing to add either.
Good night to you as well.
If you have to ask, you obviously don't know how that affects the travesty Mueller is running.
So you want me to answer your questions but obfuscate when I ask you one. Bad form...
Or perhaps you're merely deflecting because you don't have a point.
All of this is flim and flam.
The bottom line is dirty Russian money flowing through Trump for decades and more recently, flowing through the GOP.
I read Lawfare quite often .. always an interesting place for in depth opinions of the law and its use in current events.. this is some interesting reading on counterintelligence and the Mueller investigation ..
I am one that would like to know the details of, what I consider to be a "fishing expedition" into 'just who Page knew' .. personally I find it hard to believe that anyone truly believed Page was an "agent of Russia". Carter Page has been and remains to be far too outspoken - almost to a fault, and has been possibly known to the Bureau for roughly a decade, but definitely since 2013 during a spy ring investigation, in which Page was considered a joke. This application even mentions Page living in Russia in 2004 to 2007 … neither the spy ring nor the fact that Page lived in Russia add up to a conspiracy that 'he was an agent' of Russia in 2016... Carter Page hid nothing.. in my opinion. I must admit I only made it to page 40 of the application .. page 32 is a good one...…
Guess I will never know what information was provided to get the 4 conservative justices to sign off on warrant (apparently this is an important tid bit for some) .. thus I guess I will continue to think the FISA warranted was granted as a 'fishing expedition' that was suppose to provide information on those that contacted Carter Page - not for what Carter Page himself did or had personal knowledge of...
Has any charges been filed against Carter Page?
Thanks for the link...
Everyone have a pleasant rest of your Monday...
Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the Mueller investigation and, the FISA court don't want suspects in the investigation learning how far along they are and, who they know is involved until they are either ready to arrest them or, clear them of wrong doing and, letting the press have it or, the White House have it might let those people know, who, what, when and, where and, then the suspects would be able to cover their tracks making it impossible to prosecute them?
Point?
A FiSA warrant isn't necessarily targeting a 'US person' for prosecution, you know that right?
IMHO, Page is the poster child for 'just because you have a degree doesn't mean you're smart'.
Yes, that is why I stated:
I do not think anyone believed Page to be an 'agent of Russia' .. just sounded good on an application to legally target an American citizen....
The Russians did. Whether unwitting or not remains to be seen, though it seems to be leaning towards unwitting. If being a dumb ass was illegal Carter Page would have been locked up years ago.
So you want the public to know the names of the Russian agents with whom Page was communicating? Other than helping the Russians what purpose does that serve?
Also note that Page had a prior history of Russian efforts to recruit him as an agent.