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The Democrats have a strategy

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  8 years ago  •  30 comments

The Democrats have a strategy

After almost two years of progressive outrage and incivility, the far left is being reigned in by the more rational elements of the democratic party. After the nation has endured the hostility of the liberal media towards the 45th President, harassment of Trump officials in public places, calls for more harassment and the nomination of socialist candidates within the democratic party, suddenly with less than 100 days to the mid term elections, there is the new call for the appearance of moderation.


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Barak Obama has emerged from his retirement. He has endorsed 81 candidates in the 2018 midterms.  He said he wanted  to lend his status to help candidates who would fight for shared opportunity, help repair alliances abroad and further a commitment to justice. Conspicuously not on the list was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the young, dynamic, totally ignorant, self described socialist and darling of the far left. She has been given widespread news coverage since her dramatic victory in a New York democratic primary. Why would Obama turn his back on her?  Because he knows that you don't win by letting people know just how extreme your views are. You have to win first! That is how Obama, the moderate candidate, won in 2008, much differently than Obama, the radical President, ruled after being elected.

The Obama surrogates have been spreading the word as well. The radical Van Jones recently made an appearance on "The View" in which he called for, of all things, civility! Furthermore, the man who once called Trump's victory " a Whitelash " told the progressive yenta's on the show that "democrats would have been proud to accomplish what Trump has with the economy". He reminded them to be civil and most of all "to vote".

That was followed up by former Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, who also called on democrats to be civil and vote. 

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Does she still have an office in the Obama residence?


Do they need a message?

Polling indicates the democrats lack any clear message:


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/18/a-majority-says-the-democratic-party-stands-for-nothing-except-the-only-thing-that-matters-in-2018/?utm_term=.d6a88c71dafa


A lot has happened since that poll was taken. The democrats are going to make it all about "healthcare", after more Trump bashing, of course!  


Senate Minority Leader Senator Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) leaves a weekly meeting with Senate Democrats on Capitol Hill July 18, 2017 in Washington, DC. (BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP/Getty Images)

"Sen Schumer, in an interview for CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," said the party's primary concerns are health care and "the economic well-being of the working family" -- not the various investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


"Those are our two big focuses, " Schumer said. " Obviously Russia is in the news. Obviously we want Bob Mueller to be able to pursue and our committees to be able to pursue their investigations unimpeded."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/chuck-schumer-health-care-russia/index.html

This is actually a good strategy. The democrats have wisely decided that they are not going to depend on the traditional idea that the midterms are simply a referendum on the ruling party. Instead they will take advantage of the great Republican failure AKA the repeal & reform of Obamacare. That classic train wreck for Senate Republicans, in which they fumbled on the 1 yard line. A bitter resentful Senator comes to mind. Hell hath no fury like an overly sensitive Senator from Arizona. 
This means that the democrats key allies in the msm will run with the narrative, as they always do and we will be hearing more and more about the plight of Americans and their need for "healthcare" as we get ever closer to the November elections. 





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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

They will be formidable. 
Unless we want to return to progressive control of the House of Representatives, WE MUST VOTE!

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
2  Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

I feel a lot more confident the Republicans will do well this election. Nobody is going to believe the MSM and their claims of a blue wave this time around. MSM will not be able to sway voters with their propaganda. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3  Bob Nelson    8 years ago

Why do you try to pretend to know what your adversaries' strategy is, Vic? Why do you repeat the same tired strawman arguments every day?

Why don't you proudly present the future of America, as outlined in the Republican "Program for America's Future"?

Oh...

That's right... there is no Republican Plan. They voted the tax cut for the rich... and that was all they had. That was their entire program; their entire reason for existing.

You can't write much about a Republican Program that doesn't exist, can you Vic?

So you write the same fantasy strawman stories every day....................

Who do you write this stuff for? Your adversaries know it's nonsense. Does this stuff stoke the Unthinking Faithful TM? Are they really this brainless?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1  cjcold  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    8 years ago
Are they really this brainless?

Yes.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @3.1    8 years ago
Are they really this brainless?

Yes.

Gawd.......  stunned

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    8 years ago
Why do you try to pretend to know what your adversaries' strategy is, Vic?

You disagree? Show me where I'm wrong

As for how the GOP & more importantly, how the President is doing, don't take it from me, take it from the great economist Art Laffer:



 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
3.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    8 years ago
take it from the great economist Art Laffer:

You can't be serious.  You still think he's anything but a nutcase?  The Laffer Curve is so appropriately named since it's a joke.  But really, using FarzNooz as a source is beyond pathetic.  I feel sorry for you.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.2.1    8 years ago

No need to feel sorry. We are doing well now

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    8 years ago

OK... Just to be conciliatory, I read the second paragraph

After the nation has endured the hostility of the liberal media towards the 45th President, harassment of Trump officials in public places, calls for more harassment and the nomination of socialist candidates within the democratic party, suddenly with less than 100 days to the mid term elections, there is the new call for the appearance of moderation.

Do you really expect a thoughtful conversation, when you start like that?

From my point of view, the media have been far too gentle with the President’s incessant lies.

Harassment is part of a politician's life.

I am a socialist. I don't consider any of the candidates I have seen to be socialists. I know of no policy recommendations that are anything other than moderate and reasonable.

Certainly, when the leader of their opponents is behaving erratically every day, the Dems would be wise to present themselves as steady. I've noted that more and more Dems are talking about "morality".

Healthcare is a winning topic.

The tax cut for the rich is a winning topic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.3    8 years ago
Healthcare is a winning topic.

It could be. I did give credit to the four democratic operatives who are directing the party towards the topic and their need (however temporary it may be) towards civility

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4  Bob Nelson    8 years ago
After almost two years of progressive outrage and incivility, the far left is being reigned in by the more rational elements of the democratic party.

To paraphrase... "Outrage at incessant lying is no vice... moderation toward incivility is no virtue." The great incivility of these last two years is the President's, as he has shredded democratic traditions, one after another.

Oh, and... you want "reined" here? Like horses' reins, you see? "Reined in"?

That much wrong in the first sentence does not encourage me to go any further...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    8 years ago

So you really can't address the article. You want to bash Trump and blame him for the media shredding their journalistic responsibilities to combat him or the left turning to intimidation, the threat of violence and violence itself because America is not going to be like they wanted it to be.

That's too bad!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
4.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    8 years ago
That's too bad!

Not as bad as confusing "left" from "extreme right:"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.1    8 years ago

Hate produces hate!  I blame the left for inciting all of that.


Getting back to the article, Is this the way you want the democrats to go into the midterms?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
4.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    8 years ago
I blame the left for inciting all of that.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.3    8 years ago

I blame the rhetoric of the left for all the cops who were murdered from 2016 on, all the violence during the 2016 campaign, and all the violence created by the statue controversy, all the violence, murder and mayhem that ensued during the LA riots. 

But no, I can't blame them for what Islamic extremists did and continue to do around the world.

Does that answer your question?   Now how about answering mine?

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
4.1.5  owlsview677  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.1    8 years ago
Not as bad as confusing "left" from "extreme right:"

Rather than lumping all with left leaning opinions as a singular entity, it would be better if you showed the same respect you show to the non-extremists on the right and use the designation of "extreme left".

If you were to do so there would be no confusion between the two as both represent the same disgusting ilk of people that reside on our planet.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
4.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    8 years ago
So you really can't address the article. You want to bash Trump and blame him for the media shredding their journalistic responsibilities to combat him or the left turning to intimidation, the threat of violence and violence itself because America is not going to be like they wanted it to be.That's too bad!

Have you missed all of the Trump rallies since 2016?

Trump has fomented racial and ethnic division for decades and singled out people of color, even though they were supporters, for ejection from his rallies. Trump encourages violence at his rallies AND in 'official' speeches. These facts are undeniable since they are on video into perpetuity. 

As far as journalists are concerned, I hope the WHCA decide to minimize their coverage of Trump to 'press pool' numbers, including only one 'pool' camera @ his rallies. 

It would cut off the oxygen Trump's hate filled rants so desperately need. Of course the sycophants @ Fox will send a whole crew but Trump will have a hard time pointing at them and decrying them as 'the enemy of the people'. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.6    8 years ago
Trump has fomented racial and ethnic division for decades and singled out people of color, even though they were supporters, for ejection from his rallies. Trump encourages violence at his rallies AND in 'official' speeches. These facts are undeniable since they are on video into perpetuity. 

That's not what I see. I don't recall Trump calling white people "clingers" who cling to their guns & their Bibles. It wasn't Trump who referred to his grandmother as "a typical white person" or picked a side in every racial issue that made the newspapers during an 8 year span. It wasn't Trump who invited BLM to the White House when they were adamant about a black individual being wrongfully shot in Ferguson MO.
Nor was it Trump who dismissed at least 50% of the American people as "deplorables" or told Coal miners that the Coal mines would be closed or didn't bother to even campaign in the "rust belt" for the millions of blue collar workers who were dismissed by the progressive elites for decades.

No, I think you've got it backwards.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
4.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.7    8 years ago
picked a side in every racial issue that made the newspapers during an 8 year span.

So you conveniently missed all those years of Trump's birther crusade. Oh and BTFW, it wasn't Obama who put a full page ad into the four newspapers, including the NYT, calling for the execution of 5 INNOCENT Black kids, was it Vic? 

It wasn't Trump who invited BLM to the White House when they were adamant about a black individual being wrongfully shot in Ferguson MO.

It wasn't Obama who invited Ted Nugent to the White House...I won't even repeat WTF that asshole is adamant about. 

It's hard to tell who the fuck else he's 'asked over' since Trump doesn't 'share' who goes in and out of OUR WH with the people. 

Nor was it Trump who dismissed at least 50% of the American people as "deplorables"

So you're saying that 'at least 50% of the American people' are 'racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamophobic'? Wow, Clinton only felt that about 23% are...

or told Coal miners that the Coal mines would be closed or didn't bother to even campaign in the "rust belt" for the millions of blue collar workers who were dismissed by the progressive elites for decades.

Name a 'rust belt' state that Clinton did NOT campaign in. BTW, WTF happened to all of those coal miner jobs Trump promised? 

No, I think you've got it backwards.

The only way I could have gotten it 'backwards' is if Trump wasn't a racist and a xenophobe. He is, PERIOD, full stop. 

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    8 years ago
So you conveniently missed all those years of Trump's birther crusade. Oh and BTFW, it wasn't Obama who put a full page ad into the four newspapers, including the NYT, calling for the execution of 5 INNOCENT Black kids, was it Vic? 

I didn't miss anything. Obama was not the first, nor the only candidate to have his citizenship questioned. As for the case of the "Central Park Five" we have a valid confession of a thug already serving a life sentence, making the confession after the statute of limitations had run out. He did know things about the crime that only a perpetrator would know. He said he acted alone. Thus the confessions & convictions of the five and ALL OTHER CRIMES THE FIVE WERE CHARGED WITH WERE VACATED. The five men then filed a lawsuit against the City of New York that Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle for about 10 years. It wasn't until the radical Bill de Blasio came to power that the City readily settled. You see on the night of the attack there were numerous such attacks in Central Park by about 30 teenagers. Vacating the convictions left the five uncharged with any of the other crimes committed that night. So you can add former Mayor Bloomberg and prosecutor Linda Fairstein to those who thought the five were involved in what happened that night.

In either case, (birther or the Central Park Five) Trump did not invoke race into any of his opinions. 

So you're saying that 'at least 50% of the American people' are 'racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamophobic'? Wow, Clinton only felt that about 23% are. ..

No, that seems to be your mantra


Name a 'rust belt' state that Clinton did NOT campaign in. 


I'll name two:

"As I wrote last week , there were some rumbles that Clinton’s team had taken too much for granted by pouring so much effort into Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina, three swing states she did not need to win—and ultimately did not. The price of that emphasis was extraordinarily little attention to Michigan and Wisconsin, which she did need to win, and also did not"




BTW, WTF happened to all of those coal miner jobs Trump promised? 

Here's WTF happened:

"Mining data reviewed by The Associated Press show that production through May is up by at least 121 million tons, or 6 percent, for the three countries compared to the same period last year. The change is most dramatic in the U.S., where coal mining rose 19 percent in the first five months of the year, according to U.S. Department of Energy data.




The only way I could have gotten it 'backwards' is if Trump wasn't a racist and a xenophobe. He is, PERIOD, full stop. 

 The only racists I know of are all democrats

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
4.2  owlsview677  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    8 years ago

Your comments are encouraging. Now that you have decided to stop worshiping Obama and following his lead, who is now your go to leader? I guess it only makes sense. As more and more of the mess he created while in office gets exposed no self respecting Democrat or American would want him reigning over them.

If you have difficulty in recognizing, understanding or predicting the strategies of either of the two major Parties then I must consider two possibilities. You have very little and or a very short term of exposure to American politics, or you have difficulty comprehending that which you are trying to participate in on a daily basis.

Both Parties have been using and trading the same political tactics for decades. Trump is actually a RINO. That may sound derogatory at first, but it really is one of the best things about him.

"Outrage at incessant lying is no vice...

Trump has brought his own strategies to the game that both Parties have turned our politics into. If you really believe that Trump is incessantly lying then I beseech you to pay as close attention to what he actually says as you do the spelling of others on this forum.

Trump does practice a lot of misdirection, which is easy to do because of the ease with which his antagonist's responses can be predicted. He provides fodder in the form of statements that can easily be twisted, taken out of context and misinterpreted, so that the media can besiege us on a daily basis with "gotcha stories" which incessantly turn out to be diatribes empty of facts and full of nonsense.Fodder not just for the Democrats but also for the Republican Establishment. Meanwhile back in the Oval Office he is going about keeping his campaign promises without the annoying interference of those who seek to undermine anything that he does. Throw chub to the sharks and they will flock to it creating mayhem as they fight over scraps.

moderation toward incivility is no virtue."

It is a step in the right direction when used sincerely instead of as a political tactic.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  owlsview677 @4.2    8 years ago
Now that you have decided to stop worshiping Obama and following his lead, who is now your go to leader?

I assume that this kind of opening means that you do not want a conversation.

 
 
 
owlsview677
Freshman Silent
4.2.2  owlsview677  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.2.1    8 years ago

The desire for conversation is not the problem. Being able to converse with someone who makes so many assumptions is one of my shortcomings.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  owlsview677 @4.2.2    8 years ago

... one of many...

 
 

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