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'A Total Ignorance of Reality.' Mandela's Grandson Slams 'Arrogant' Trump Over South Africa Tweet

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  8 years ago  •  45 comments

'A Total Ignorance of Reality.' Mandela's Grandson Slams 'Arrogant' Trump Over South Africa Tweet

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'A Total Ignorance of Reality.' Mandela's Grandson Slams 'Arrogant' Trump Over South Africa Tweet



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Just Jim NC TttH
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4  Just Jim NC TttH    8 years ago

Enjoy the read(s). By saying "killing white farmers", Mr. Trump was referring to the fact that taking away their land would, metaphorically, kill their lifestyle...........

As far as him not knowing and the GovCo of South Africa saying "he doesn't understand", I think he understands FULLY what they are doing but they don't care how it looks to anyone but themselves. I guess in the reality of things, our, as a nation, opinion really doesn't matter as they feel they are doing what's best yet, to the civilized world it looks rather nefarious. I don't know why they are so shocked someone, somewhere in the world would find it a bit on the redistribution side of "huh". In one of the articles I reference, they warn their own that the moves they are making will, inevitably, put them on the same path as neighboring Zimbabwe. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4    8 years ago

Please...trump isn't deep enough to think or remark that "killing white farmers" is an euphemism for taking away their land.

I don't agree with the violence, but South Africa has a horrible history of discrimination against the black population. The Dutch and the English settled South Africa and took the land from the natives and then exerted their will over the native population. Sound like another country we all know and love?

The orange baby-man needs to mind his own business and focus on the United States. He doesn't an inkling of the politics or the history of South Africa so he would be wise to just his fool mouth

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
4.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2    8 years ago
The orange baby-man needs to mind his own business and focus on the United States.

Did you say the same when Mr. Obama drew his red crayon line with Syria?..........................Rhetorical..................

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
4.2.2  Cerenkov  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.1    8 years ago

I think we know the answer. Hypocrisy is strong on the left.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

So we see who supports expropriating land on the basis of race.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    8 years ago

You bet I do

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    8 years ago

cool. It's always best when those who support explicitly racist policies identify themselves to others. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    8 years ago

I don't see it as racist when the white farmers own 70 some % of the land and they are only 4 % of the population. There's a disparity there. It doesn't belong to them. They took it from the natives

And I would be very careful in who I call a racist, Sean

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.3  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    8 years ago

You may want to look up who was living on the land when the Dutch showed up.  The Bantu in the area now came from the north after.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    8 years ago
And I would be very careful in who I call a racist, Sean

I didn't call anyone a racist. I called the policy you embrace racist. 

A policy that takes land from people on the basis of race, and race alone, is the textbook definition of a racist policy.   

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    8 years ago

Kinda like when the Europeans took the land from the Native Americans? Do you call that a racist policy?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @5.1.3    8 years ago
Settlements of Bantu-speaking peoples, who were iron-using agriculturists and herdsmen , were already present south of the Limpopo River (now the northern border with Botswana and Zimbabwe) by the 4th or 5th century CE. (See Bantu expansion .) They displaced, conquered and absorbed the original Khoisan speakers, the Khoikhoi and San peoples. The Bantu slowly moved south. The earliest ironworks in modern-day KwaZulu-Natal Province are believed to date from around 1050. The southernmost group was the Xhosa people , whose language incorporates certain linguistic traits from the earlier Khoisan people. The Xhosa reached the Great Fish River , in today's Eastern Cape Province . As they migrated, these larger Iron Age populations displaced or assimilated earlier peoples. In Mpumalanga , several stone circles have been found along with the stone arrangement that has been named Adam's Calendar. [ citation needed ] link

And? The Anglo Saxons displaced the Picts and the Britons of the British Isles. What's your point?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.5    8 years ago
Kinda like when the Europeans took the land from the Native American

Were the Aztecs citizens of Spain when the Spanish took their land?

The apt comparison is between your favored racist policy and the racist Jim Crow laws of the south. The government, that purports to represent all South Africans, is discriminating against it's citizens solely on the basis of race.  

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.8  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.6    8 years ago

The point was it wasn't the Bantu land originally either.  Matter of fact the regions settled pretty much had no one on it because they couldn't use it until the Dutch brought the technology with them that allowed them to dig wells and irrigate.  

If you are going to dismiss the Bantu immigrating there as just normal immigration then the Dutch immigrating there is normal as well.  

Regardless.  Land was conquered and stolen in the past.  It was filled by immigrants from other areas and demographics changed as well.  

It really seems like you are implying if a minority holds more than their "fair share" it is ok to strip them of that property or power?  

Mad I said.  It's going to happen.  This is just the beginning.  You support it. Ill laugh when millions start starving to death like Zimbabwe.  Hopefully no one gives them aid either.  It's time to stop subsidizing shit holes that can't do anything other than kill each other.  Maybe one day Africa will progress without needing Europeans to do it for them

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @5.1.8    8 years ago

Maybe Africa would have been just fine if the Europeans had left it alone to begin with

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.10  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.9    8 years ago

Lol. Nah.  You ever heard of a lost tribe coming out of the woodwork down there that advanced past the Stone Age?  

The only thing sustaining them is first world charity. But yea.. I'm sure they wouldn't be raping virgins to cure aids and hacking each other to death if it hadn't been for Europeans even though that's what they were doing before the Dutch arrived and still do lol.  The only places worth a damn in Africa are the ones where Europeans settled.  When they go so will the last bastions of advancement. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @5.1.10    8 years ago

I never would have thought you had that kind of attitude.

Disappointing

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.12  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.11    8 years ago

Well after a while people get tired of hearing that they are the reason things suck everywhere.

" It ain't that poor guys fault he is murdering people!! If Europeans hadn't arrived and stopped them from slaughtering each other they would be world leaders by now!"

After a while you realize where the real problems are. Africa is a shit hole and always has been and always will be.   

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.14  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.13    8 years ago

Why is that?  Look at it this way.  You are fine saying it's Europeans fault... I say it's Africas fault.  All across the world most countries have evolved into somewhat of a society advancing. Japan, Spain, US, hell even Middle East progressed somewhat.  Africa still chopping each other up with machetes and raping women to cure aids.  Killing albinos for magic bones, etc.  If Africa isn't a shit hole maybe you can fly to Somalia and walk around for a while and let me know how that works out for you.  Like that couple that tried to bike through isisi controlled territory to show how evil is rare in the world.  

Can you name any European based countries that are close to how messed up Africa as a whole is?

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.16  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.15    8 years ago

Lol.  Whose a victim and why?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.15    8 years ago

Why is it that Africa has some of the largest precious mineral and other natural deposits in the world and the majority of the population still live in mud huts and pick bugs out of each others heads.?

They are the victims of what?

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
5.1.18  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.15    8 years ago

Typical .. make a statement and can't elaborate on it.  Again.  Whose a victim?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
6  bbl-1    8 years ago

Bottom line is this.  Had Obama conducted himself for one week of his presidency in the same manner as the Trump conducts himself week after week, Obama would still be in Ft. Leavenworth serving his sentence.

As far as the Trump South Africa comment.  Trump saw something on FOX and ran with it.  He doesn't read.  Doesn't study anything.  If afflicted with 'rot gut.'  And believes himself pure, invincible and is more deserving then all others.  Just what he is.  His greatest hits will be the 'Lock Her Up' chants from the adorating adorers.

The Trump is the Trump.  On an island of one.  The man is truly alone.  His closest friends aren't and never were.  This man is truly alone.  His sustenance is power and the protection it can assure.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
6.1  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @6    8 years ago

( then should be than )

 
 

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