Democrats Have A Choice: Vote For The Wall Or Against Extending the Violence Against Women Act

So now it's shut down the government and beat up the women folk to get his way.

MAGA ! 

lol 

no

sad !

Pawns, We're all just pawns.

Democrats have 2 choices: Vote for the Wall now, or vote for the Wall later to try to salvage their chances of re-election.  Remember how they handled the Kavanaugh hearings, since it is what caused them to lose the Senate seats that they lost.  The GOP lost the House because of their lack of backbone to stand up FOR Trump and pass his entire agenda.  If the Democrats hadn't tried to railroad Kavanaugh with unproven and in many cases perjured accusations of sexual assault against him and just let him get confirmed; they would have won the Senate as well due to McConnell not standing up FOR Trump and changing the rules to allow just a straight majority vote.

The legislation is DOA because of the wall funding. Anything else is irrelevant. Put up a clean government opening legislation instead of trying to load them with pork.   

Learn the concept of "defense in depth" and read my comment in #4.1.  Frankly, anyone who doesn't support the wall is in fact not looking out for their own self-interest.  Let me point out something to you, in Clark County Washington, there is a Measles outbreak due to a lack of immunization.  We know that diseases like Smallpox, Tuberculosis, Measles, and Mumps are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country without any sort of vaccinations.  TB (Tuberculosis) and Smallpox were eradicated within this country until just recently.  Immigrants need to be processed and need to be checked for these diseases before being allowed entry.  That alone should be reason enough to build the wall, so as to guide the immigrants to the ports of entry where they can be treated.  However, you want to keep an open border and doom many people without vaccinations to getting diseases that were once eliminated.

We are literally prepared to deny the democrats all of their priorities for the next two years over the wall.  Infrastructure, min wage, whatever.  While the government may one day reopen no democrat initiative will ever pass unless the wall funding is attached to it. I wonder if the Dems would sacrifice Rx reform if getting it meant wall funding too.  

 Go for it and hang the party's survival on the wall. The GOP had 2 years to fund the wall when they controlled Congress and didn't, but now it is a national emergency to build Trump's monument to himself that is not supported by Republicans from the border region.

Learn the concept of "defense in depth" and read my comment in #4 .1.  Frankly, anyone who doesn't support the wall is in fact not looking out for their own self-interest.  Let me point out something to you, in Clark County Washington, there is a Measles outbreak due to a lack of immunization.  We know that diseases like Smallpox, Tuberculosis, Measles, and Mumps are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country without any sort of vaccinations.  TB (Tuberculosis) and Smallpox were eradicated within this country until just recently.  Immigrants need to be processed and need to be checked for these diseases before being allowed entry.  That alone should be reason enough to build the wall, so as to guide the immigrants to the ports of entry where they can be treated.  However, you want to keep an open border and doom many people without vaccinations to getting diseases that were once eliminated.

The problem with the diseases is not because of immigrants but because of stupid anti-vaxxers.

One of the greatest public health achievements in history, vaccines are credited for the massive decline of potentially dangerous diseases like measles and polio. Although the majority of families embrace vaccination, a growing number appear to be delaying or forgoing vaccines altogether due to a misunderstanding of the safety, effectiveness, and necessity of vaccination.

In Texas, for example, the number of students with nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine requirements has skyrocketed from just 10,404 in 2007 to 52,756 in 2017. While the overall vaccination rate for measles in Texas held fairly steady between 2007 and 2017 with a rate of about 97 percent for students, research shows that unvaccinated individuals tend to cluster in the same communities and schools, resulting in a breakdown of protective  herd immunity  and leaving those individuals vulnerable to outbreaks of disease.

LOL This may end up backfiring and cost trump his sought after second term. The "game"has changed, the republicans no longer control the whole government. The half he no longer controls could effectively turn him into almost a lame duck two years before the next election. 

As the president perhaps he should learn how to work with others, LOL Unless he has another country that will welcome a dictatorship.

anyone who doesn't support the wall is in fact not looking out for their own self-interest.

President Trump wants a wall along the border with Mexico.

Career officials at the agencies most involved in the process, however, are set to recommend a fence.

fox6now

We know that diseases like Smallpox, Tuberculosis, Measles, and Mumps are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country

In truth the resurgence is partially due to folks thinking they know more than the medical community and refuse to immunize their children. By the by I do not believe that germs are deterred by a wall, what you really need is a moat.

We know that diseases like We know that diseases like Smallpox, Tuberculosis, Measles, and Mumps are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country without any sort of vaccinations. are on the rise due to illegal immigrants coming into the country without any sort of vaccinations.

We DO? Do you have a link to support your claim? 

BTFW, if 'unvaccinated illegal immigrants' were the cause of the outbreak, why isn't there a TB (Tuberculosis) and Smallpox  outbreak in TX? 

Immigrants need to be processed and need to be checked for these diseases before being allowed entry.

I haven't noticed CBP or ICE agents wearing masks and latex gloves during 'apprehensions'. Nor have I seen any of the workers at the detention centers doing so. So are you claiming that Trump's DHS and ORR are putting their employees in danger and allowing them to spread disease to their communities? 

Fearmongering shouldn't be a reason for policy making. 

BTW tom, the Oregonlive has a very good article on the measles outbreak. Note that there is NO TB or smallpox outbreak in Clark County, WA. 

oregonlive

The outbreak has hit religious and private schools in Clark County especially hard. Clark County also has one of the worst vaccination rates among all Washington counties, with just 77.4 percent of all public students having completed their vaccinations, state records show.

Ya tom, it's all about 'illegal immigrants'. /s

We are literally prepared to deny the democrats all of their priorities for the next two years over the wall.  Infrastructure, min wage, whatever.  While the government may one day reopen no democrat initiative will ever pass unless the wall funding is attached to it.

Then I guess nothing will happen over the next 2 years.

They won't be blackmailed into passing it so trump can get his fucking precious wall.  He reminds me of Golem from Lord of the Rings with his precious wall.  

Okay, why do gated communities have walls?  Why do we have fences and walls around our military bases?  Why do many businesses and prisons have walls and fences?  They are not there to demark the property lines. 

In the case of the military base fences, they are there to 1) stop people from just walking or driving onto the base without permission, and 2) prevent people from wandering into dangerous areas like training ranges. 

For businesses, the walls and fences are there to keep people out and prevent them from accessing company secrets as physical access is the primary means of stealing company secrets and personal information of employees.

For gated communities, the walls are there to help protect people's homes from would be thieves.

For prisons, they are there to keep people out and keep prisoners in.

The border wall would be there to help direct people to ports of entry so they can be properly processed, to prevent them from just entering the country, and to prevent them from wandering into dangerous areas where there may not be any food or water.

Okay, why do gated communities have walls?  Why do we have fences and walls around our military bases?  Why do many businesses and prisons have walls and fences?

Or the better question, why are you asking about shit that has ZERO to do with a southern border wall?

The studies done showing the extreme cost for very little return aren't about prison fencing, or even "gated community" fencing, which in virtually every gated community I've seen would take about 2 minutes to hop over, and many only have "gates" at the road entry points since it's almost exclusively to keep out thieves and burglars in vehicles, not on foot.

A southern border wall is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle, pure and simple. It is nothing more than a xenophobic fantasy at the expense of the American people, the majority of whom DO NOT support a southern border wall.

" 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border" 12/21/2018

cbsnews

You can post polls all day long; and they still don't mean a damn thing.

They aren't accurate; they are biased; and are only intended to appease the sheeple they are slanted towards. Or do you want to revisit all of the polls from the Trump/Hillary election again? They were so inaccurate the pollsters had to dig months into finding out why.  They could saved time and money if they just admitted they were adjusted to try and suppress the vote for Trump. Hillary in a land slide in both the national vote and electoral college. Trump supporters should just stay home; as he has no chance of winning.

Funny how the Dems were for increasing the fence and border security before Trump took office; now their more radical members want no walls/fence; no border patrol; and no ICE.  They need to get their own damn house in order. 

Funny how the Dems were for increasing the fence and border security before Trump took office; now their more radical members want no walls/fence; no border patrol; and no ICE.

My goodness, I had no idea you could lie with such a straight face. The Democrats were for border security before, and they are still for border security and just increased the amount they're willing to give for border security, it's just never been for a "wall" and never will be.

Paranoia?

Okay, why do gated communities have walls? Why do we have fences and walls around our military bases?

Cite a 'gated' community or a military base that has a WALL around it tom. 

Democrats just don't get it.....

The republicans in the senate have set them up to fail. They have put just about every democrats wet dream of legislation into this bill to get them to approve it.

And they swear they are going to vote it down....

Billions of dollars for everything they want, dreamers a path to citizenship? check; Huge infrastructure projects they want for their constituents? check; Disaster aid? check; Violence against women? check; 

I'm told there is much more also..... yet we get any bill with any provision for a border wall is DOA.....

One single minor issue..... I wonder if all those constituent groups who desperately want and need all those things will like that.....

They just don't get it...... they have been outsmarted again....

Their only issue is hate T-rump..... Hate conservatives........

Hell they may get lucky, as long as most of their constituents remain brainless and reject their most treasured wants/needs.......

One thing is for sure, the Democrats are over a barrel, a barrel of their own making.......

Again:

It's 5.7 billion dollars the president said we would never spend. He said Mexico would build his wall. WTF happened ?

Negotiate with that....LOL

Hard to negotiate when ya start with a total lie.

Add in that what trump wants is permanent and what he offers is temporary once again and Ya Gotta to be Joking.

yea, well i say they tap that "barrel" 

and have a damn KEG PARTY

and celebrate the beginning of the end of the

traitorous treasonous for know real reasonous

party, known as the GOP.

Cause the wanna be Oligarch known asz Trumpp,

Putins' little Pu$$y grabber in Chief, 

is soon gonna get the Prostituted Relief,

that has hung over Trumppy like a tightning noose,

a thunderous

lightning quick

microwaved goose    egged on by the Big P's 

and cooked over easily, well dunn  by Mr. French for Mrs

Beasily ,

cause the easily manipulated, lock stock and

tapped barrel,

keep cumming up with foam,

and a bunch of girgling,

and as the cops finally show up, to end the juvenile party of denial,

we'll find,

more than Trumppy , the prostetic sportin refuse to slow down always Russian prostitutes, and the PATHETIC Republican good ole Party,

will be     KAPUT

.

like ole Trumppy, Kaputin place

asz our whirled spins \down the golden thrown further than can be retrieved

at least,

the Russian Prostitutes will be Relieved,

cause you and they might be pissed on/off,

but,

sum of US All realize, it Is U

who has been Deceived,

asz know P, in

your in 

perceived           asz reign

Trump has all the gravitas of a teething toddler...

You'll get your fucking wall when Mexico pays for it. 

Simply considering the premise of this seed/story/op-ed, the choice offered is not a choice.  Because there isn't any choice to be chosen.  This is on Trump.  The choice is his.  He wants a wall.  The question to be determined is 'why is this the most important item to him?