Afghanistan: Former advisor to Mike Pence warned in 2020 that Trump was setting up another 'Benghazi'

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  2 months ago  •  42 comments

By:   Charles Davis, Business Insider

Afghanistan: Former advisor to Mike Pence warned in 2020 that Trump was setting up another 'Benghazi'

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Afghanistan: Former advisor to Mike Pence warned in 2020 that Trump was setting up another 'Benghazi'





Charles Davis

Thu, August 26, 2021, 9:45 PM











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Two boys in the parking lot at Wazir Akbar Khan hospital in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Thursday.   MARCUS YAM / LOS ANGELES TIMES
  • James Golby served as a special advisor in the office of Vice President Mike Pence.

  • He spent 20 years in the US Army and deployed twice in Iraq.

  • Last fall, he said Donald Trump was leaving behind "an unsustainable presence in Afghanistan."

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A Trump administration advisor warned late last year that President Donald Trump's decision to leave just 2,500 troops in Afghanistan - and his telegraphed desire to get out whether or not the Taliban chose to abide by its agreement with the US - would leave American forces vulnerable to an attack.

"Perhaps by design, perhaps by incompetence, perhaps out of sheer spite or arrogance, Trump has created the circumstances for another Bay of Pigs, Black Hawk Down, or Benghazi," James Golby, who served as a special advisor to Vice President Mike Pence, wrote in a   November article   for The Atlantic. Those were all situations, he wrote, "where the United States inserted itself into overseas conflicts enough to draw lethal opposition but without sufficient strength to protect its people."

On Thursday, more than 60 Afghans were killed in suicide attacks outside Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, per reports, along with at least 13 US troops. The   extremist group ISIS-K   has claimed responsibility.

Golby, a US Army veteran who is a senior fellow at the Clements Center for National Security at the University of Texas at Austin, took issue with   Trump's mid-November decision   because, he wrote, he would be "leaving behind an unsustainable presence in Afghanistan, a crisis for the Afghan people, and a mess for the Biden-Harris administration."

More than 5,000 Afghan civilians were killed or injured in the first half of 2021 - the most since records started being kept in 2009, according to the United Nations , with anti-government forces accounting for 64% of the bloodshed. In May, a terrorist attack in Kabul outside a secondary killed more than 50 people, mostly young girls,  the BBC reported .

President Joe Biden campaigned on ending the 20-year American presence in Afghanistan, a decision that enjoys broad public support in the US. Any decision to stay, Golby noted last year, even for a more limited counterterrorism mission, would have required deploying more US troops and could have triggered a new round of clashes between those forces and the Taliban.

Though Biden does not bear responsibility for the large   backlog   of Special Immigrant Visa applicants created by his predecessor, refugee advocates had   pleaded in April   - four months before the fall of Kabul -   and again in May   for the administration to begin mass airlifts of vulnerable Afghans, using his power to grant humanitarian "parole" to bypass the State Department bureaucracy.

Biden elected not to do that until after Kabul fell, though he did authorize a modest surge of US forces just before the collapse, approving the   deployment of 5,000 troops . In part,   The New York Times recently suggested , those calls were rejected because the government of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani requested that he hold off so as to not harm morale and to avoid deploying more troops ahead of the complete withdrawal - but also,   per two US officials who spoke with Reuters , because he was wary of the "political impact" posed by a "large number of Afghan refugees flowing into the United States."

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Tessylo
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1  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

A Trump administration advisor warned late last year that President Donald Trump's decision to leave just 2,500 troops in Afghanistan - and his telegraphed desire to get out whether or not the Taliban chose to abide by its agreement with the US - would leave American forces vulnerable to an attack.

"Perhaps by design, perhaps by incompetence, perhaps out of sheer spite or arrogance, Trump has created the circumstances for another Bay of Pigs, Black Hawk Down, or Benghazi," James Golby, who served as a special advisor to Vice President Mike Pence, wrote in a    November article    for The Atlantic. Those were all situations, he wrote, "where the United States inserted itself into overseas conflicts enough to draw lethal opposition but without sufficient strength to protect its people."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago
A Trump administration advisor warned late last year that President Donald Trump's decision to leave just 2,500 troops in Afghanistan - and his telegraphed desire to get out whether or not the Taliban chose to abide by its agreement with the US - would leave American forces vulnerable to an attack.

So lets pull ALL the military out.  Now we are an embarrassment to the rest of the world and our enemies attacked.  I just love how the decision made by the current administration is blamed on the previous.  But, hey, at least there are no more mean tweets.  I guess that's all that matters.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 months ago

That is all they have is "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!" 

Biden undid every other Trump EO/EA; but he left this agreement with the Taliban in place? Not that he followed it to the letter with unilaterally extending the withdrawal deadline to 8/31. We can all see how the Taliban honored that decision. 

  • No one told Biden to withdraw all of the troops before the civilians were out. Seems all of his advisers failed basic tactics 101. The military are always the last ones out.
  • If Biden didn't like Trump's deal with the Taliban he could have renegotiated it. Of course with how weak kneed he has been with the Taliban; I am sure his handlers didn't want him negotiating anything.
  • No one told Biden to turn over all data about US citizens still in Afghanistan and those Afghans that aided us to the Taliban. What a colossal fuck up! Give the Taliban a complete hostage list for US citizens; and a Taliban hunting list for everyone else.
  • No one told Biden to use Karzai Airport for the evacuations. Karzai Airport was never intended to handle anything like this. It is not a secure military facility; which has been proven repeatedly. The US had several military facilities in Afghanistan that would have worked nicely; but Biden withdrew from them all.
  • No one told Biden to put the Taliban in charge of security for US troops. That is right the people who have been killing US troops for the last 20 years are in charge of their security. Again we all are seeing how well that is working out.
  • Biden likes to brag how many people he has evacuated from Afghanistan. The majority of them are no US citizens, and not those Afghans that aided us. We don't know who the hell they are; the only thing we know is that they managed to make it past the Taliban; and into the airport by any means necessary. They already holding 1 with suspected ties to ISIS/ISIL; and have at least a 100 more that they are suspect of. That is just from the first batch out. Who knows how many more are mixed in. All it takes is 1 to get through.
  • Aug 31st is a date that Biden self imposed; and it is his decision to stick with it. He doesn't give a shit about those US citizens that can't make it to the Karzai Airport; nor those that aided us for many years. 

When the last plane of US military leaves and there are still US civilians stranded in Afghanistan; we will see if the Democrats are willing to put party before country- because the calls for Biden's impeachment will be deafening.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 months ago

Keep dreaming Ronin!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 months ago

You keep making comments like "keep dreaming" but I don't recall you EVER providing anything to prove anything wrong.  On ANYTHING.   

In the instance of the train wreck Biden created, Ronin is correct. This is all Biden's doing.  In his administrations rush to eliminate everything from the preceding administration they have put the lives of thousands of US citizens at risk.  In their futile attempts to get a "win" by ending the war, the result is just like the last time a Democrat was in the WH.  We see how Obama's ending the war in Iraq travesty went.  Oh, WAIT!!!! Biden was part of that as well.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    2 months ago
"You keep making comments like "keep dreaming" but I don't recall you EVER providing anything to prove anything wrong.  On ANYTHING."  

Funny how you haven't been around in a long time and when you come back you act like you know everything I've posted for years.  

Plus Ronin is never correct on anything.  Just his usual talking points, plus projection, deflection, and denial.  

Also, Prove it!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    2 months ago
This is all Biden's doing.  In his administrations rush to eliminate everything from the preceding administration they have put the lives of thousands of US citizens at risk. 

Um like trmp dismantling the Pandemic Response Team? Making deals with the Taliban without the input of the legitimate (and corrupted) Afghani government? Telling lie after lie about everything?

I know there are more examples but I can't think of them right now

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    2 months ago
I know there are more examples but I can't think of them right now

It would boggle the mind to do so.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    2 months ago
Funny how you haven't been around in a long time and when you come back you act like you know everything I've posted for years.

it's not hard to look at your history here on NT.  How long I'm gone is irrelevelant.  

Plus Ronin is never correct on anything.  Just his usual talking points, plus projection, deflection, and denial.  

He's stated more factual information in 2.1 than I've seen from you.  Google is your friend.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    2 months ago

You mean like making deals with the Taliban that resulted in several POWs released for one deserter?  

See you still don't realize every politician lies.  Biden's been doing it for about 50 years but you seem oblivious to that.

As much as you may wish it, this isn't about Trump.  This isn't on him at all.  This falls 100% on Biden.  Like it or not, the plan was in place.  But "...because Truuuuuummmmmppppp" the Democrats obliterated any progress made and we are in the shitstorm we see now.  

From a veteran's POV?  This is a fucking embarrassment and disastrously horrid administration.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.7    2 months ago

trmp made a deal that let the current leader of the Taliban out of prison...dispute that!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 months ago

2,500 troops isn't a lot when you are trying to maintain the peace while getting yourself extricated from a boondoggle

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2    2 months ago

2,500 is the size of an Infantry Brigade.  If they are left alone with clear concise operations orders 2,500 is enough.  The problem is the involvement from the political realm that is full of people who have NEVER stepped foot in Afghanistan and don't now what is really going on.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.1    2 months ago

I'll defer to you since you were actually there and retired from the Army.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.3  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 months ago

An embarrassment to the rest of the world? If that is what it takes to get out of that place, so be it.

I don't believe it though.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

"Now we are an embarrassment to the rest of the world and our enemies attacked.  I just love how the decision made by the current administration is blamed on the previous."

No we're not,  The prior criminal enterprise of an administration was an embarrassment to the rest of the world and whatshisname loves these scumbag enemies.   

That's where the blame squarely belongs.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago

Wrong in so many ways......................but you got the narrative down according to this.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    2 months ago

Some people just totally refuse and/or cannot accept the fact that when Biden raised his right and took the Oath of Office as POTUS he accepted responsibility for all that has occurred. What has happened in Afghanistan since January 2021 Biden owns lock, stock, and barrel plain and simple. They still have to scream "but Trump" to make themselves feel better!

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.2  Ender  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    2 months ago

No donald is just a moron that you all were silent about when he was making deals with the taliban.

Now all the sudden those deals didn't mean shit...

Funny they could be trusted under donald's watch yet not Biden's.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    2 months ago

I have never claimed otherwise about Trump, and please specify the "you all" you were referring to. I'd say that could fall under the sweeping generalization category. Were you personally keeping track of every single conservative leaning Trump comment made on NT? If so that's a neat trick I'd like to learn. (SARC)

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.4  Ender  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.3    2 months ago

Have a problem with vernacular, take it up with management, or what ever you worship. Because I don't give a fuck.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ender @3.1.4    2 months ago

Sorry, that's your issue not mine. Have a good day.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.6  Ender  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    2 months ago

Obviously it was your issue if you are the one that had to bring it up.

No bother though, I see it only as a deflection anyway.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ender @3.1.6    2 months ago

"Because I don't give fuck."

That's the issue I was referring to. Was that really necessary? I guess it was to you, but again have a good day. I'm done.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago

I know I'm correct.  I don't care what anyone else says.    

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

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Tessylo
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5  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5    2 months ago

Nobody is blaming him for the 20 year nightmare. Just the 2 week nightmare of getting us out.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    2 months ago

Biden announced in April we were pulling out.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    2 months ago

Like Ford sneaking out of Vietnam leaving our dead and wounded behind? Where was the outrage?

Or Reagan pulling out of Beirut after the USMC Barracks explosion killed 241 Marines and 58 French military?

October 23,1983 is still the bloodiest post WWII day in Marine Corps history and remains unavenged.

Where was the outrage?

While the suicide bombing was tragic,

Americans have facilitated the airlift of over 105,000 people from the shit hole so far,

hopefully another 20,000 including our troops will be gone by Monday or Tuesday with no additional losses.

The towel heads will dance in the streets for a few hours and then get back to killing each other

like they have since forever.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    2 months ago

I'm talking of the last two weeks with the advent of the takeover of the government. If he announced in April this shouldn't have been such a rush job. And started then. Perhaps we wouldn't be leaving $80 billion in equipment and armaments.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    2 months ago
Like Ford sneaking out of Vietnam leaving our dead and wounded behind? Where was the outrage? Or Reagan pulling out of Beirut after the USMC Barracks explosion killed 241 Marines and 58 French military?

There was PLENTY of outrage back then. Were you not alive?

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.5  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    2 months ago

None of us know what went down. You are focusing on the last weeks of a pullout where everyone knows that is when all hell will break loose.

The closer to the date the more chaotic it will become.

That is just common sense.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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5.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Ender @5.1.5    2 months ago

“None of us know what went down.”

So, so true. And so, so sad that that does not stop the Monday morning quarterbacking from those only so willing to throw in their two cents. Mixed metaphors aside, it is another tragic end to seventy plus years of ineffective foreign policy when it comes to overestimating our geo-political influence while simultaneously underestimating the financial strength that is our true power.

Plenty of blame to be spread through multiple administrations in playing to their respective bases. The only winner, as always, are those that have pocketed trillions in obsolete and obviously ineffective armaments.

Peace and safety to all those directly effected…patience and even a rudimentary understanding of history to the rest of us. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    2 months ago

And the State Department in Kabul sent every American messages by mail, cable, texts, robocalls

every three weeks to "get out now", from April til now,

each new message supposedly "stronger" than the previous.  And still they stayed.

And some 500 will still stay. 

We cannot force them to leave.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    2 months ago

So they have been trying to get people out since April. That's not the narrative some around here are pushing

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    2 months ago

Yes, blame the victims and pretend Joe Biden wasn't  publicly saying the exact opposite. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.10  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    2 months ago

Got a source?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.10    2 months ago

Always, Greg.

In response to criticism about why evacuation efforts didn't begin sooner, Wilson said Americans and Afghan allies have been given serious and repeated warnings to leave since March or April. 

"Never in my 40 years of working, since I began working at the State Department, have I seen such strong language used. People chose not to leave. That's their business. That's their right," Wilson said. "We regret now that many may find themselves in a position that they would rather not be in. And we are determined to try to help them." 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.11    2 months ago

Even Real Clear Politics....

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.12    2 months ago

Wilson also says that they are in "nascent conversations" with the Taliban in Doha to allow Americans to leave the country after the military evacuation is over.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.9    2 months ago
Yes, blame the victims

What victims?

and pretend Joe Biden wasn't  publicly saying the exact opposite. 

After 4 years of Trump's 208 Infrastructure weeks and promises of the best health care plan ever

384

and a big beautiful wall that Mexico will pay for?

Really your going to be serious about that?

 
 
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