Biden to impose new vaccine mandates during coronavirus address Thursday

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  one week ago  •  106 comments

By:   Sophie Mann (Just The News)

Biden to impose new vaccine mandates during coronavirus address Thursday
The president will lay out a new coronavirus plan at 5 p.m. Eastern.

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President Biden is expected Thursday afternoon to impose new vaccination mandates as part of a broader, six-pronged, plan to continue combating the novel virus.

The president reportedly plans to exert pressure on private businesses, federal agencies, and schools to implement stricter vaccine policies as the Delta variant continues to spread.

Biden spoke with his team of coronavirus advisers on Wednesday and is set to brief the nation aboard Air Force One at 5 pm Eastern today. Officials familiar with the plan say that the speech will include new federal requirements for vaccination.

The president is also expected to sign a set of new executive orders that will require the vast majority of federal employees and contractors to get vaccinated. Biden has already pushed federal workers to get vaccinated by announcing that those who do not will be required to submit themselves for regular testing, but he has now decided that approach has not been effective enough and will be eliminating the option of testing.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that dependent upon "if you're vaccinated or not," the president's address may outline added detail to existing COVID-19 restrictions polices that broadly impact the American population. Psaki also said that the White House is currently working on a plan for booster shots, but did not provide a time frame for that rollout.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Biden is now fighting on all fronts.

Democrats are hoping Americans will forget everything and only remember the big giveaway Pelosi is hoping to enact.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    one week ago
The president reportedly plans to exert pressure on private businesses, federal agencies, and schools to implement stricter vaccine policies

How about we mandate everyone crossing our southern border is mandated to get the vaccine? Be a great start too.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    one week ago
How about we mandate everyone crossing our southern border is mandated to get the vaccine? Be a great start too.

We really should.  It would protect the asylum seekers from all the idiotic Texan anti-vaxxers.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    one week ago

You mean protect the 14% of illegals that already have Covid 19 when they cross the border? (That is only the ones that are tested of those they catch. It doesn't even take into account those that evade capture.)

Best thing to do if we want to protect both the illegals and US citizens it seems is to shut down our southern border and stop all illegal crossings. That will stop the largest super spreader event in the US.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.1    one week ago

"You mean protect the 14% of illegals that already have Covid 19 when they cross the border? (That is only the ones that are tested of those they catch. It doesn't even take into account those that evade capture.)"

Proof?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    one week ago

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But since I am in a crankier mood than normal- here you go.

The federal government has not disclosed this data, but in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley — the busiest stretch of the border for illegal crossing attempts — local officials recently publicized their own data. On Aug. 4, local officials in McAllen, Texas, announced that out of nearly 88,000 migrants released by CBP in the city since mid-February, more than 7,000 had tested positive for COVID-19, which is a positivity rate of more than 8%. Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley arranged hotel rooms for those infected. Positive tests became more frequent in recent weeks, surpassing 16% — a rate that county officials said was similar to the local population.

More than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid on leaving Border Patrol custody over the past two to three weeks, according to a document prepared this week for a Thursday briefing with President Joe Biden .

Some flights scheduled to deport migrants had more than 25 percent of passengers test positive before departure, leading Immigration and Customs Enforcement to remove those migrants from the flights for quarantine in the U.S., according to the document.

The Department of Homeland Security document does not give precise dates or say how many migrants were tested.

Migrants are not tested for Covid in Border Patrol custody unless they show symptoms, but all are tested when they leave Border Patrol custody, according to DHS officials. Immigrants who are allowed to stay in the U.S. to claim asylum are given tests when they are transferred to ICE, Health and Human Services or non-governmental organizations. Deportees who are scheduled to be put on planes out of the U.S. are tested for Covid and other infectious diseases by ICE.

Hidalgo County Judge Richard Cortez said the nursing shortage in the county compounded by the influx of RIMs testing positive for COVID-19 has the city overrun and understaffed. The infection rate among RIMs has increased by 16%.

Those are more up to date than the one I took the 14% from. Note. Biden doesn't release the number of illegals that test positive. They are not tested as soon as they are apprehended unless they show symptoms. Only some are tested once they depart detention centers- as Biden leaves that up to the states. So the numbers come form the larger detention centers that the states make sure are tested. Wonder what the percentage would be if all illegals were tested like they should be? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    one week ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.3    4 days ago

As usual, no proof.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.5    yesterday

As usual you can't read.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.6    yesterday

As usual, I don't read your nonsense.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3  Gordy327    one week ago

It's good to see Biden take an aggressive approach to combating Covid. That's the only way we'll get over it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3    one week ago

Not true.   Otherwise previous Pandemics, like the 1918 Spanish flu, would have wiped us out.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    one week ago

Is that your standard in gauging the effectiveness of interventions regarding pandemics, whether they wipe us out or not? Pandemics have infected & killed millions. We're still dealing with Covid. Clearly we have not been aggressive enough to overcome it. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
3.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.1    one week ago
That's the only way we'll get over it.

You made the above comment and i responded to it with evidence that your comment simply wasn't true.

Do you disagree?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.2    one week ago

Yes, I do. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.3    one week ago

That is not logical

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.4    one week ago

Your understanding of logic seems quite limited.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.5    one week ago
Your understanding of logic seems quite limited.

Nope and you suggesting that it is just solidifies my point.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.6    one week ago

What point? You haven't made any logical ones.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.6    6 days ago

What 'point' is that Sparty? 

WTF does the mortality of the Spanish Flu have to do with the mitigation of Covid? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.7    4 days ago

[Deleted]  It is crystal clear after all.

But i understand.   You've got no "logical" counterpoint to mine to defend the point you made.    So one of your only avenues is the obfuscation tactic you're attempting to use.

SOSDD

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
3.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @3.1.8    4 days ago

Glad to help educate a fellow NTer or two.

An estimated 1/3 of the worlds population was infected with the H1N1 virus.   Also called the Spanish Flu..   That's about 600 Billion people in 1918-20.   With poor record keeping back then the total is undoubtedly higher.

No vaccines, no antibiotics to treat to related infections, no ventilators, fewer hospital beds per capita, more antiquated medial practices, an arguably more virulent virus, etc, etc.

And yet the virus burned out/ herd immunity saved most.

So Gordy's point is not valid.   Mandatory vaccination is NOT the only way we'll get over it.   The 1918 Pandemic is proof of that.

Again, glad i could help.   My pleasure.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    4 days ago

You didn't help.  You  never do.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.12  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    4 days ago
An estimated 1/3 of the worlds population was infected with the H1N1 virus.   Also called the Spanish Flu..   That's about 600 Billion people in 1918-20. 

gee, H1N1 must have been devastating, since the current world population is about 8 billion. the estimated world population in 1919 was about 2 billion. fail.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.12    4 days ago

My bad, meant million and not a fail.   A typo.  

I'd explain the difference but i'm sure it would be lost on you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.14  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.9    4 days ago

You spew that nonsense and still offer no point. Now that's sophomoric. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.14    4 days ago
You spew that nonsense and still offer no point. Now that's sophomoric. 

You got nothing Gordy.  

[deleted]

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.15    4 days ago

You're still spewing nonsense. Instead of making a point or clarifying the point you claim to make, you prefer to engage in childish debate tactics.  You're wasting both our times then.

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
3.1.17  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.16    4 days ago
You're still spewing nonsense. 

Nope, not even close.

No one likes a sore loser Gordy.

Learn that and move on ..... you'll be much happier in the end

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.17    4 days ago
"No one likes a sore loser"

No, we don't!

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    4 days ago
Again, glad i could help.   My pleasure.

Since your numbers are fucked up, you were no 'help' at all. 

So Gordy's point is not valid. Mandatory vaccination is NOT the only way we'll get over it.   

Gordy's point was about Biden's "aggressive approach to combating Covid." He didn't say anything about 'mandatory vaccines' being the only way. 

The 1918 Pandemic is proof of that.

Since the 1918 world population was actually just UNDER 2 billion, 50 million dead made a devastating dent. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @3.1.19    3 days ago

The only thing fucked up here are people that whine about errors that are already corrected.

Totally fucked up actually but when one can't give a good counterpoint, that's what some do.

SOSDD.

He didn't say anything about 'mandatory vaccines' being the only way. 

That's the topic of the seeded article Gordy was clearly referencing so once again, you are wrong.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.20    3 days ago
The only thing fucked up here are people that whine about errors that are already corrected.

Totally fucked up actually but when one can't give a good counterpoint, that's what some do.

SOSDD.

WTF are you talking about Sparty? 

That's the topic of the seeded article Gordy was clearly referencing so once again, you are wrong.

Gordy added nuance to the topic. Your inability to recognize that is on you. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
3.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @3.1.21    2 days ago

I didn't stutter ... not once ..... and like usual stand by every word, of every comment, i made here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.22    2 days ago

Yet the stats 'man' never backs up a claim, EVER.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.22    2 days ago

Standing by empty posits isn't anything to brag about Sparty. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Gordy327 @3    one week ago

What took him so long?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    one week ago

Ask him! Given the unfortunate politics and peoples whining surrounding mandates and such, I imagine he is taking small steps rather than a sudden big change. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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3.3  mocowgirl  replied to  Gordy327 @3    6 days ago
That's the only way we'll get over it.

According to WHO, eradication of covid is not possible.  We must learn to live with it.  It appears that the covid vaccine will have to be continually be tweaked to address mutations like the current flu shot.  

Covid vaccines won't end pandemic and officials must now 'gradually adapt strategy' | Daily Mail Online

Some experts initially thought that once enough people were vaccinated, the virus would be unable to spread.

But while the jabs are highly effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths, they are less effective at stopping transmission, leading officials to warn that the world must learn to live with the virus. 

Scientists from Imperial College London estimate that the three Covid jabs dished out in the UK reduce transmission by 40 per cent, while Warwick University calculated the figure to be 45 per cent. This means of 100 unvaccinated people who would pass on the virus, just 60 to 55 of them would pass it on if they were double-jabbed 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.3.1  Gordy327  replied to  mocowgirl @3.3    6 days ago
According to WHO, eradication of covid is not possible. 

Not anymore anyway. We missed that chance. The best we can probably do now is manage the virus enough to end the pandemic itself, while still dealing with periodic bursts like we d with the flu.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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3.3.2  gooseisback  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.1    4 days ago
We missed that chance.

Thanks to Joe Biden!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.3.3  Gordy327  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.2    4 days ago

Hardly. Trump deserves credit for that miss.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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3.3.4  gooseisback  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.3    4 days ago
Trump deserves credit

For getting the vaccine fast tracked. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.4    4 days ago

For absolutely nothing

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.3.6  devangelical  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.4    3 days ago
For getting the vaccine fast tracked. 

big pharma was months into development of vaccines by the time trump even acknowledged covid as a threat. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.3.7  Gordy327  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.4    2 days ago
For getting the vaccine fast tracked. 

For downplaying the virus and its severity. For doing nothing (except play golf) during the first few months of the pandemic and letting it spread like wildfire. For arguing with scientists about how t deal with the virus and shaking public trust in science. For encouraging people to not wear masks or social distance. For sowing discord among the populace.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.3.8  Ronin2  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.7    yesterday
For downplaying the virus and its severity.

The Democrats did that as well trying to portray Trump as a racist. Remember Pelosi going to Little China and making sure to get into every large crowd she could for photo ops? Bill de Blasio riding a crowded New York subway- again to prove Covid 19 was not a threat.

For doing nothing (except play golf) during the first few months of the pandemic and letting it spread like wildfire.

Trump tried for full travel bans- what did the Democrats and leftist media hacks do. Called him racist. Yeah, short term selective memory at it's finest.

For arguing with scientists about how t deal with the virus and shaking public trust in science.

Like Democrats didn't? Remind us all which Democratic mayors forced retirement and nursing homes to accept people that tested positive for Covid 19? How many thousands died from that as Covid spread like wild fire through both the staff and the oldest and most vulnerable? But at least they got those nasty old people off of their social security rolls- what a drain they were. Biden and Harris both questioned the validity of any vaccine that was produced and approved by the Trump administration. Both said they would not take it. That didn't sow any division what-so-ever. Wonder if we wouldn't be having this discussion in reverse if Trump had been reelected- how many moron Democrats there were for refusing to take the "Trump vaccines".

For encouraging people to not wear masks or social distance.

What do you call those super spreader BLM and Antifa "mostly peaceful protests". Didn't see Democrats discouraging them at all. In fact many took part in them in a show of solidarity. How many Democrat politicians have been caught violating the own Covid 19 rules? Leading by example they did not.

For sowing discord among the populace.

As if the Democrats didn't. They were against everything Trump was for; no matter if it worked or not. Biden's own "I am not Trump stupidity" lead to the biggest ongoing super spreader event that caused the current Covid 19 surge. The Democrats have been ringing the illegal immigrant dinner bell since their primaries. Then, by opening the southern border, and undoing Trump's making illegals wait in Mexico until their trial dates, Biden allowed the ongoing flood of illegals into this country. They are crossing our southern border from all over the world (people from 140 different countries). These illegals are from countries with high Covid 19 rates and low vaccination rates. Biden then catches them and puts them all into large cages- no social distancing- no testing unless they showed symptoms. The infection rate among those tested upon release at larger detention facilities is 18 %.  Who knows what the infection rate is among those that evade capture at the border. 

But Joe knows best. While mandating that US citizens get vaccinated he exempts illegal immigrants and the newly arrived and yet to be vetted refugees from Afghanistan. Way to sow the seeds of division Joe. No exemptions for US citizens for medical conditions, religious beliefs, or anything else; but have to keep those future Democrat voters from other countries happy. Now if they can just figure out a way to get one massive amnesty through.   

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.3.9  Gordy327  replied to  Ronin2 @3.3.8    yesterday

That tripe is nothing more than partisan blame shifting. All that happened under Trump's watch and it's on him. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.3.10  Snuffy  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.9    yesterday

So your stance is no matter who said what, it was all Trump's fault as he was the sitting president?  Is that what  you are saying?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.3.11  Gordy327  replied to  Snuffy @3.3.10    yesterday

No, that is not what I'm saying.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.3.12  Snuffy  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.11    yesterday

Then please explain because that's how 3.3.8 and 3.3.9 read to me.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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3.3.13  gooseisback  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.7    yesterday
For downplaying the virus and its severity.

Fauci did the same!

For encouraging people to not wear masks

Fauci did the same!

shaking public trust in science

Fauci caused much of the trust problem. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.13    yesterday

Nope, that was trumpturd and his supporters.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.3.15  Gordy327  replied to  gooseisback @3.3.13    yesterday

Dr Fauci did no such thing. Public trust in science declined because people stupidly listened to a politician over an actual scientist, and who publicly argued with said scientist.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @3.3.15    yesterday

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Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    one week ago

All show, no planning.  According to the CDC 75 pct of the adult population has been vaccinated (that's 63 pct of the total population) and 65 pct of the adult population has been fully vaccinated.  93 pct of those over age 65 have been vaccinated.  The worsening pandemic isn't being caused by 'old white men' or their politics.

Why has the pandemic become worse as more of the population has been vaccinated?  The facts are that the vaccines work very well so the worsening pandemic can't be excused by blaming the vaccines.  The claim has been made that this has become a pandemic of the unvaccinated.  What we aren't being told is that this has become a pandemic of the young and educated.

If school children are the most vulnerable then obviously the priority is to vaccinate school children.  Mask mandates are not a substitute for vaccines.  And it's becoming apparent that vaccinating adults won't protect school children.  Why isn't Joe Biden pushing for approval of vaccines for school children?  Where's Biden's operation Warp Speed?

Planning matters more than words.  And it's apparent the Biden administration is all words and no planning.  Biden is doing little more than making speeches to say what he has been told to say.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Nerm_L @4    one week ago
If school children are the most vulnerable then obviously the priority is to vaccinate school children.  Mask mandates are not a substitute for vaccines.  And it's becoming apparent that vaccinating adults won't protect school children.  Why isn't Joe Biden pushing for approval of vaccines for school children?  Where's Biden's operation Warp Speed?

That's a very good question.  What is the Biden administration doing to speed up the testing and approval for the vaccine in those under 12?  Or is the FDA / CDC falling back to their old red-tape ways. And why can't main-stream media report on the status of such testing regularly instead of just pushing fear?  (yeah,  I know.  Fear generates clicks which generates income... sigh ) 

But I disagree with one of your statements. Mask mandates are a substitute for vaccines, just not as good. But until vaccines are approved for all children don't we have a moral obligation to do what we can to protect the children and that would include mask mandates for everybody in the school setting. Wearing a mask won't prevent one from catching the virus but it can help slow the spread.  Our children really cannot afford to be out of school for another year, last year cost them so much education and a lot of them will never make it back up. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Snuffy @4.1    one week ago
But I disagree with one of your statements. Mask mandates are a substitute for vaccines, just not as good. But until vaccines are approved for all children don't we have a moral obligation to do what we can to protect the children and that would include mask mandates for everybody in the school setting. Wearing a mask won't prevent one from catching the virus but it can help slow the spread.  Our children really cannot afford to be out of school for another year, last year cost them so much education and a lot of them will never make it back up.

Masking in schools is intended to protect pediatric hospitals and their financial backers.  Mask mandates were supposed to avoid overwhelming hospitals but the track record has only been statistically significant.  And we still do not have any viable treatments for hospital care; doctors are still searching for miracles to treat COVID patients because there hasn't been a research effort managed by the government.

Masking is vitally important because our healthcare system has proven worthless.  Trump tried to push for studies of treatments and the unbiased liberal press scoffed and disparaged.  What's Biden been doing to advance developing treatments when masking fails to protect?

Masking won't prevent COVID cases.  And when masking fails, there's still no treatment.  Yeah, the hospitals may not be overwhelmed but we're still just writing off those who are infected in spite of all the mitigation efforts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.1    one week ago
"Trump tried to push for studies of treatments and the unbiased liberal press scoffed and disparaged."

Which 'treatments'?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.2    one week ago

I didn't expect an answer.  I won't hold my breath on that one.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.1    one week ago

Masking won't prevent covid cases? Are you being serious? Masks have proven to be effective when utilized properly.

 
 
 
Veronica
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4.1.5  Veronica  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.4    one week ago
effective when utilized properly.

Much like a condom to prevent pregnancy & STDs.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.4    one week ago

Every comment is more out there than the last.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.4    one week ago
Masking won't prevent covid cases? Are you being serious? Masks have proven to be effective when utilized properly.

"when utilized properly" is the political excuse used to blame those who have been infected anyway.  They just didn't utilize the masks properly.

So far, we've had pandemics of the alpha variant, beta variant, and delta variant; three distinct pandemics.  The variants are closely related but they aren't the same.  

We don't know how effectively masks reduce spread of the delta variant because everyone is still talking about alpha variant mitigation.  We don't know how protective masks are against the delta variant.  The delta variant spreads more readily and is more contagious so information concerning protective effectiveness of masks against the alpha or beta variant isn't that useful.  And now the mu variant has been introduced into the country because spread was never controlled.

Masking did not prevent COVID cases during the alpha variant pandemic.  And we don't know how effective masks are with the delta variant pandemic.  Attention has been shifted to effectiveness of vaccines and away from the effectiveness of mitigation.  And we still don't have improved treatments for COVID when masking fails to provide protection.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.7    one week ago

You don't know what you're talking about and you act like you're an expert.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.8    one week ago

It's anti-science rhetoric.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.7    one week ago

Yes, masks are effective when utilized properly. That's a no brainer and scientifically demonstrated. Hello? The only excuses are from those refusing to wear masks.

Variants are arising partly because people refuse to properly wear masks. They get infected and become walking laboratories for the virus to mutate into new variants and spread to others. Variants have proven to make the vaccines a little less effective.

Masks prevent the spread of the virus itself. The variants are irrelevant to that. The only thing that determines the efficacy of the mask (other than proper fitting) is its material and layers.

The use of masks, along with social distancing and vaccines are effective to combat the spread of the virus. Unfortunately, many people do not adhere to those prevention methods. Hence, we continue to have infections and new variants. But implying masks do not wor is disingenuous and downright ignorant!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Veronica @4.1.5    one week ago

Exactly. And not utilizing such protections equals zero effectiveness. Why take chances, right?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.9    one week ago

It's nonsense.  Garbage.  Mis-dis-information.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.12    one week ago

Among other things.

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
4.1.14  Veronica  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.11    one week ago
Why take chances, right?

I am flummoxed when it comes to people flouting what is known to help the spread of disease - whether it is masking, vaccines, quarantines - it seems crazy to me.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  Veronica @4.1.14    one week ago

It is crazy. And stupid and irresponsible. But as I always say, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Junior Quiet
4.1.16  Snuffy  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.1    one week ago

Agreed, that's why I said  ...

Wearing a mask won't prevent one from catching the virus but it can help slow the spread.

I do believe we need to keep the children in a formal school setting, they cannot afford another year of remote learning. And until the vaccines are approved for all ages mask mandates are the only option let to help reduce the spread. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
4.1.17  Veronica  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.15    one week ago
never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Since the pandemic hit that has been driven home to me hard.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.18  Gordy327  replied to  Veronica @4.1.17    one week ago

It's mind boggling that many people still do not see it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
4.1.19  Nerm_L  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.10    one week ago
Yes, masks are effective when utilized properly. That's a no brainer and scientifically demonstrated. Hello? The only excuses are from those refusing to wear masks.

The effectiveness of masks has been scientifically demonstrated for the alpha variant.  It's also been scientifically demonstrated that the delta variant is more infectious meaning less exposure can cause infection.  The old scientific data is just that - old.

Masks may mitigate risks but that is little comfort to someone who wears a mask and still becomes infected.  The delta variant really has changed the risks and odds of becoming infected.  And we are still uncertain about the risks for fully vaccinated people.  Regurgitating political talking points isn't a substitute for scientific data.  And there isn't scientific data to show effectiveness of mitigation efforts against the delta variant.  Everyone has moved on to monitoring effectiveness of the vaccines.

Variants are arising partly because people refuse to properly wear masks. They get infected and become walking laboratories for the virus to mutate into new variants and spread to others. Variants have proven to make the vaccines a little less effective.

All the variants of concern were brought into the United States; none originated in the United States.  The spread of the virus was not controlled; each new variant of concern was brought into the United States.  If a variant is brought into the United States that vaccine immunity won't stop then we'll be woefully unprepared.  

The bigger concern is travelers bringing more contagious and deadly variants into the United States.  And we won't know how effective mitigation efforts will be because that is no longer receiving attention in the scientific community.

The use of masks, along with social distancing and vaccines are effective to combat the spread of the virus. Unfortunately, many people do not adhere to those prevention methods. Hence, we continue to have infections and new variants. But implying masks do not wor is disingenuous and downright ignorant!

Claiming that masks are more effective than has been demonstrated encourages complacency and unpreparedness.  It may be politically viable to declare victory but does nothing to plan for more aggressive variants brought into the United States.  We're still trying to control spread of the alpha variant.

What steps are being taken to produce more masks that are more effective?  What steps are being taken to incorporate social distancing into normal activities?  What steps are being taken to develop more effective treatments for those who can't be vaccinated?  What's the plan to live with the coronavirus far into the future?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.16    one week ago

But I thought you hated mandates???!!!

 
 
 
Snuffy
Junior Quiet
4.1.21  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.20    one week ago

I do hate mandates. I would much rather that people do what is best for the community. I also realize that people are lazy, selfish , etc and the chances of everybody agreeing and doing what is best for the community is right on par with a Labrador not shedding while inside the house. I understand why mandates are sometimes necessary, doesn't mean I like them.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.19    6 days ago
The effectiveness of masks has been scientifically demonstrated for the alpha variant. 

Where do you get that from? Masks are effective from droplets, which contain viruses from infected individuals. The strain is irrelevant in that regard.

It's also been scientifically demonstrated that the delta variant is more infectious meaning less exposure can cause infection. 

Yes, and? That's the issue if one is not wearing masks, which offer protection.

The old scientific data is just that - old.

Data is continuously being updated as new data comes in.

Masks may mitigate risks but that is little comfort to someone who wears a mask and still becomes infected. 

And obviously, wearing a mask provides a higher degree of protection than not wearing them. Hello? jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

The delta variant really has changed the risks and odds of becoming infected.

The Delta variant is more contagious. So it's a smart move to wear a mask to reduce the chances of contracting the delta variant, or any other version of the virus. 

  And we are still uncertain about the risks for fully vaccinated people. 

We know how vaccines work and possible side effects. The risks are well known.

Regurgitating political talking points isn't a substitute for scientific data.  And there isn't scientific data to show effectiveness of mitigation efforts against the delta variant.  Everyone has moved on to monitoring effectiveness of the vaccines.

What makes you think mask efficacy is affected by variants of the virus? Do you understand anything about virology?

All the variants of concern were brought into the United States; none originated in the United States. 

The spread of the virus was not controlled; each new variant of concern was brought into the United States.  If a variant is brought into the United States that vaccine immunity won't stop then we'll be woefully unprepared.  

It doesn't matter where the variants came from. If you want to be prepared and stop the spread, wear masks, along with vaccination. Duh!

Claiming that masks are more effective than has been demonstrated encourages complacency and unpreparedness. 

More effective than what? Nothing? If so, then yes, masks are more effective for sure.

We're still trying to control spread of the alpha variant.

We'll never get full control as long as people refuse masks, distancing, vaccinations, ect.. It requires a concentrated effort, both individually and sociolgically.

What steps are being taken to produce more masks that are more effective? 

N95 masks are the most and highly effective. 

What steps are being taken to incorporate social distancing into normal activities? 

People have to adhere to social distancing guidelines. This is basic stuff here?

What steps are being taken to develop more effective treatments for those who can't be vaccinated?  

Few people cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. Age is also a factor, although studies are being cunducted to immunize children. But the majority of the population can be vaccinated.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
4.1.23  Nerm_L  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.22    6 days ago
Where do you get that from? Masks are effective from droplets, which contain viruses from infected individuals. The strain is irrelevant in that regard.

The evidence shows that the delta variant is spread by aerosols, not droplets.  That's why the delta variant is more infectious. 

Yes, and? That's the issue if one is not wearing masks, which offer protection.

Masks will offer some protection.  But masks do not create an impervious bubble of protection.  People wearing masks will still get infected.  The information floating around concerning the protective effectiveness of masks was developed for the alpha variant.  Have there been studies to demonstrate masks are still as effective against the delta variant?

And obviously, wearing a mask provides a higher degree of protection than not wearing them. Hello?

And obviously closing the borders would do more to avoid introducing a new variant into the United States than open borders.  Obviously vaccinating those crossing the border would be more protective.  Obviously quarantining those crossing the border would provide a greater degree of protection.  Taking more effective protective measures would reduce our dependence upon masks which are less protective than vaccines and quarantines.

It doesn't matter where the variants came from. If you want to be prepared and stop the spread, wear masks, along with vaccination. Duh!

That is incorrect.  How the virus is introduced and spread dictates mitigation efforts.  The coronavirus has not evolved wings.  The virus is spread by migration of people and, possibly, animals.  We've seen anecdotal reporting that the COVID virus is still jumping between humans and animals.  I've haven't seen any definitive studies, have you?

N95 masks are the most and highly effective. 

N95 masks are also the most costly and least accessible.  N95 masks have a large environmental footprint.  And there are far better masks than N95 masks that are even more costly and less accessible.

N95 masks aren't nearly as effective as quarantines in controlling spread of the virus.

Few people cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. Age is also a factor, although studies are being cunducted to immunize children. But the majority of the population can be vaccinated.

I've been fully vaccinated.  Apparently the only thing that changes is I now have to carry a card to prove I've been vaccinated.  The pandemic has gotten worse as the vaccines have been rolled out.  That wasn't what the public was told to expect.  We're experiencing the opposite of what we were told to expect.

Over a year and a half into the pandemic our hospitals are still overwhelmed, there still aren't viable treatments for those who are infected, and we still must wear masks, social distance, and avoid indoor settings whether or not we are vaccinated.  We're relying on old data from the beginning of the pandemic to guide today's mitigation efforts.  We are still being told that testing actually accomplishes something.

And hundreds of thousands of people from places in the world where the virus is uncontrolled and mutating are entering the country.  But it's my fault because I question the effectiveness of mitigation efforts that haven't proven that effective early in the pandemic.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.24  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.23    6 days ago
The evidence shows that the delta variant is spread by aerosols, not droplets.

Both actually. They are both respiratory particles expelled from coughing, sneezing, ect. And masks are an effective defense.

But masks do not create an impervious bubble of protection.  People wearing masks will still get infected. 

No one claimed masks are 100%. Masks have varying degrees of effectiveness. But they are most effective when worn properly. What has ZERO effectiveness is not wearing a mask. I'm not sure why that's even an argument.

And obviously closing the borders would do more to avoid introducing a new variant into the United States than open borders.  Obviously vaccinating those crossing the border would be more protective.  Obviously quarantining those crossing the border would provide a greater degree of protection. 

Yes, and? Nothing new there. What's your point?

Taking more effective protective measures would reduce our dependence upon masks which are less protective than vaccines and quarantines.

Masks are part of the protective process. Especially since a person can be infected for a period of time and remain asymptomatic but also contagious. 

That is incorrect.  How the virus is introduced and spread dictates mitigation efforts.  The coronavirus has not evolved wings.  The virus is spread by migration of people and, possibly, animals. 

We know the virus is spread by respiratory particles. Obviously masks help protect one from that. Masks are part of the mitigation effort. How do you not understand that?

N95 masks are also the most costly and least accessible.  N95 masks have a large environmental footprint.  And there are far better masks than N95 masks that are even more costly and less accessible.

Most people wear standard surgical masks, which are effective too. 

N95 masks aren't nearly as effective as quarantines in controlling spread of the virus.

Quarantines are a less realistic expectation for the general population than wearing masks.

I've been fully vaccinated.

Good for you.

  Apparently the only thing that changes is I now have to carry a card to prove I've been vaccinated.  The pandemic has gotten worse as the vaccines have been rolled out.  That wasn't what the public was told to expect.  We're experiencing the opposite of what we were told to expect.

That's because the general public has been stupid about dealing with the pandemic. People refuse to wear masks or get vaccinated. So of course the pandemic continues and new variants emerge. The pandemic will likely end only when enough people get fully vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. 

Over a year and a half into the pandemic our hospitals are still overwhelmed, there still aren't viable treatments for those who are infected, and we still must wear masks, social distance, and avoid indoor settings whether or not we are vaccinated.  We're relying on old data from the beginning of the pandemic to guide today's mitigation efforts.

Those who refuse vaccinations or other precautions are to blame. But with all that, I'm not sure why you argue against the use of masks? Especially since masks are a simple and effective means of mitigation.

But it's my fault because I question the effectiveness of mitigation efforts that haven't proven that effective early in the pandemic.

No, it's your fault because you challenge mitigation efforts without providing any evidence to support your position. It seems you're just whining about it and think it's not actually effective (despite all the evidence to the contrary) because others are not properly using prevention methods. As I've said before, all these efforts are best effective when people properly adhere to them. But implying masks and such are not effective is just disingenuous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.24    4 days ago

He argues just to argue.  Each comment is more out there than the last.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.26  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.25    4 days ago

I've noticed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5  Tessylo    one week ago

No planning???????????????????????????

You must be referring to whatshisname - #45

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Guide
6  bugsy    one week ago

What we will probably (hopefully) see is a mass exodus from the federal workforce because they do not want to get vaccinated. They won't be missed. Most of them are lazy, know they will not get fired for any other reason.

Many of them are using COVID as an excuse to not do their work in a timely manner.

Good riddance

 
 
 
Sunshine
PhD Guide
6.1  Sunshine  replied to  bugsy @6    one week ago

I believe they are all union.  They will not get fired.  Seems like a lame attempt by Biden to make it seem as if he is doing something but we will see.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
PhD Guide
6.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  bugsy @6    6 days ago

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Kathleen
Professor Principal
7  Kathleen    one week ago

These teachers need to get vaccinated. This is ridiculous, they should not be allowed to come to school if they are not. My sister-in -law works in a medical office and two of the employees would not get vaccinated. They let them go.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @7    one week ago
And the parents need to stop fighting masking their children while in school.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @7    6 days ago

Good to see that you support vaccine mandates. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
7.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @7.2    4 days ago

I believe this is all about public health, it’s important.

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Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @7.2.1    4 days ago

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Kathleen
Professor Principal
7.2.3  Kathleen  replied to  Kathleen @7.2.1    3 days ago

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Sparty On
PhD Principal
7.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @7.2.3    3 days ago

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Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
8  Mark in Wyoming     one week ago

Will be interesting to see what biden has to say in his address.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
PhD Expert
8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @8    one week ago

Same old incoherent shit

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
PhD Guide
8.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    6 days ago

Coming from you?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.1.1    4 days ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Senior Participates
8.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    21 hours ago

Biden talking kind of reminds me of the Swedish Chef from the Muppets.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
PhD Guide
9  Thrawn 31    6 days ago

Good, all you anti-vaxx assholes can eat a pile of shit. Ant-vaxx people, liberal or republican, are the biggest assholes on planet earth. You are saying, by not being vaccinated, "fuck everyone else, this is all about ME and what I feel like. Sick people just gotta deal with me being a fucking asshole, and I am proud to be a fucking asshole."

If you have not been vaccinated then you are a fucking asshole.  

 
 
 
gooseisback
Freshman Silent
9.1  gooseisback  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9    yesterday
If you have not been vaccinated then you are a fucking asshole

Why aren't you screaming at the Biden Administration for letting 200,000 plus a month into the country, no checks, no vaccinations. When you address that maybe someone will listen, till then stfu. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  gooseisback @9.1    yesterday

That's a lie.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
Professor Guide
10  Lucifer Morningstar    6 days ago

Biden's message is incoherent and advances a sickness worse than the disease itself.

I endorse mass civil disobedience and large scale protests.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1  Tessylo  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @10    4 days ago

See comment 9

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @10    4 days ago

NYET!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Senior Participates
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 days ago

You would think common sense would drive people to get the vaccine.  90+% of current hospitalizations for Covid are unvaccinated morons who don't trust medical professionals to develop a vaccine but trust them to cure their retarded asses of the virus.

But then again there are people who voted for Biden so the common sense thing is out the window.

 
 
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